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Posted by
doug on May 15, 2002 at 13:10:17:

Oh my god can anybody else notice that dr. stoll isn't really a doctor. Look it up. I have talked to a number of doctors at the hospital I work for (no, I'm not a doctor) and they all agree about the sheer incompetencie of dr. stoll. I mean any ignorant fool can recite catch phrases like " well all your doing is putting tape over the warning light on your dashboard" over and over to make themselves seem smarter. He has his agenda and is not willing to flex on it. He's put blinders on to the fact that accutane and such has had real positive effects on people. I just wanted to air my frustrations.



Another satisfied Accutane user?

Posted by Lincoln on May 15, 2002 at 13:51:00:

In Reply to: dr. stoll posted by doug on May 15, 2002 at 13:10:17:

Read the article in the URL below, which parrots EXACTLY what Stoll has been saying about acne for years.

"At the beginning we thought this was a crazy hypothesis, that something connected to the central nervous system could have anything to do with the skin," said Christos Zouboulis, a professor at the Free University in Berlin.

But German researchers say they have found a major indication that stress and acne, as well as other skin conditions, are linked.




Re: Another satisfied Accutane user?

Posted by And these too on May 15, 2002 at 14:20:39:

In Reply to: Another satisfied Accutane user? posted by Lincoln on May 15, 2002 at 13:51:00:

The Mind-Skin-Health Connection
What Are the Negative Effects of Stress?



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Re: Another satisfied Accutane user?

Posted by doug on May 15, 2002 at 15:46:10:

In Reply to: Another satisfied Accutane user? posted by Lincoln on May 15, 2002 at 13:51:00:

I have read that article and I'm not questioning the possible relation of stress to acne, but if dr. stoll truly wanted to help people he would preach using what gets rid of it. Acne itself is a major stress in peoples lives and therefore ridding yourself of it can reduce your stress. Dr. Stoll's refusal to acknoledge anything but what he's trying to dole out is just an indication of his stubborness or greed. Do you actually believe he would hold firmly to his views if there was nothing in it for him, I sincerly doubt that.By telling people that certain medications that could positively effect them are horrible and wrong could have adverse effects in itself because some may not seek out treatment they may need.



Re: Another satisfied Accutane user?

Posted by Naya on May 15, 2002 at 17:00:29:

In Reply to: Re: Another satisfied Accutane user? posted by doug on May 15, 2002 at 15:46:10:

Just what exactly do you think is in it for Walt? Do you think he is becoming a millionare from having this board? Think again!!!



Re: Another satisfied Accutane user?

Posted by 2 cents on May 15, 2002 at 17:11:46:

In Reply to: Re: Another satisfied Accutane user? posted by doug on May 15, 2002 at 15:46:10:

Doug and others....

It doesn't take Walt or anyone else to tell you the ill effects of medications. Just pick up any PDR or Drug Book and look up the side effects of these medications. There are times when medications are called for, but if you can treat/cure some conditions by doing something more natural, isn't that the better choice? Most medications treat a symptom not the cause! Whatever road you chose to take is up to you. Walt gives his opinions when asked, and is not forcing anyone to do anything. Be your own health advocate and research things. Ask questions and do what you think is best for you!

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Re: Another satisfied Accutane user?

Posted by Donna E. on May 15, 2002 at 17:55:46:

In Reply to: Re: Another satisfied Accutane user? posted by doug on May 15, 2002 at 15:46:10:

Dr. Stoll has never said that Accutane is horrible and wrong. He just advocates staying away from things that are potentially damaging when they do not cure the problem, but only treat a symptom.

BTW, if you had read the article that Lincoln posted, you would understand that what Dr. Stoll is advocating is the CAUSE acne. Accutane does not get rid of acne for good because again, it is treating the symptom. Most people have to use many 20 to 28 week courses of it and it IS harmful to your system. Women are told not to get pregnant while using it because of the severe birth defects it causes.



Re: Another satisfied Accutane user?

Posted by doug on May 15, 2002 at 18:15:04:

In Reply to: Re: Another satisfied Accutane user? posted by Donna E. on May 15, 2002 at 17:55:46:

Does donna here work for dr. stoll cause it sure sounds that way.It causes birth defects only when taking it and shorlty after. Smoking and alchohol both also cause birth defects but 90% of the population uses one or both some even while pregnent.



Re: Another satisfied Accutane user?

Posted by Doug on May 15, 2002 at 18:19:07:

In Reply to: Re: Another satisfied Accutane user? posted by Naya on May 15, 2002 at 17:00:29:

Hey ther Naya did you happen to notice that he's pitching his book on his web site. Gee I wonder if its a coincidence that he's raving about natural remedies, and that he just so happens to be selling a book. Naw, probably just a coincidence. I would love for more people to post ignorant opinions though.



Re: Another satisfied Accutane user?

Posted by Raisa on May 15, 2002 at 18:51:35:

In Reply to: Re: Another satisfied Accutane user? posted by doug on May 15, 2002 at 18:15:04:

doug, no one is telling you not to use Accutane - they are just advising against it. It's up to you to decide whether or not you wish to continue taking it. Raisa

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Re: Another satisfied Accutane user?

Posted by kmd on May 15, 2002 at 19:03:41:

In Reply to: Re: Another satisfied Accutane user? posted by doug on May 15, 2002 at 18:15:04:

"doug" my hope for you is that one day you will see the light and you will look back on your comments as being full of ignorance (not stupidity, but true ignorance meaning lack of knowledge). I think your conclusions are very sad especially because of your opinion of human nature in general and assuming bad intentions of someone who has done SO MUCH good in his life. You don't have to believe but so far you haven't said anything that holds water at all. Sure, walk up to doctors and say "oh here's this guy on the internet who lost his license" and of course they will all make fun and discredit everything he says on the spot. If that's the kind of thoughtless validation you want you are sure to easily find it! But if you ever become stricken with a chronic illness we will see who you come to and what you come to believe based on results!!



Re: Another satisfied Accutane user?

Posted by kmd on May 15, 2002 at 19:06:07:

In Reply to: Re: Another satisfied Accutane user? posted by Doug on May 15, 2002 at 18:19:07:

His book only makes enough to pay for its own publishing. Walt donates his time for free, hours a day. Why are you here? You've done your bashing, we're perfectly happy with Walt, move on! Unless you really wanted to learn something?

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Re: Another satisfied Accutane user?

Posted by Donna E. on May 15, 2002 at 19:28:04:

In Reply to: Re: Another satisfied Accutane user? posted by doug on May 15, 2002 at 18:15:04:

Not to the extent that Accutane does.

Roche (the maker of Accutane) has to send out information about the drug's link to mental probelms to every dermatologist, family physician and psyciatrist in the country per the FDA. That's pretty severe if the FDA is going after the drug maker.

The FDA requires medication guides for products it believes pose serious risks that can be reduced by informing patients. Only a handful of other drugs, including Mifeprex, or RU486, the so-called abortion pill, have such guides. Pharmacists are to dispense the Accutane medication guide with the pills.

In addition, "because Accutane can cause severe birth defects, including mental retardation and physical malformations, a woman must not become pregnant while taking it. If you are a woman of childbearing age, your doctor will ask you to sign a detailed consent form before you start taking Accutane. If you accidentally become pregnant while taking the medication, you should immediately consult your doctor. "

If you want to take it, that's your choice. But don't come to this board telling Dr. Stoll he's wrong and greedy by providing an effective alternative.

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Re: Another satisfied Accutane user?

Posted by doug on May 15, 2002 at 20:24:55:

In Reply to: Re: Another satisfied Accutane user? posted by kmd on May 15, 2002 at 19:03:41:

I agree, about moving on and I will after this final post. I would like to say that I am not telling people to not use stoll's methods or that they don't work just that if he really wanted to help people he would discuss the merits and negatives of all remadies not just natural ones. Dr. stoll wants us to be open minded and consider natural methods then he too should be open minded about the positive results people have had using conventional medicine. And to the comments on my being ignorant well I've just got to say that everything I have said is researched and true. I have not said anything that i am not positive about. I am currently in my 5th year of med school
(in pediatrics) and am at the top 1% of the university of Alberta in Canada. I'm not claiming I know everything just that I am not your average joe here to bash someones methods without justification. I often research people's opinions and information and when I find sombody with blatently narrowminded opinions as some who have made posts here I cannot help myself but to respond.Finally to the person who made the post about the detailed reports and safety warnings about accutane. Have you acctually read it, I for one have and I can honestly say that you will find this with many medicines. Being near doctors regularily I see many of the warnings even the public does not see unless there is media coverage about it. The amount of naysayers is directly related to it coverage on the news and in the papers. All medicines go through phases, currently accutane has been in the news because of a few cases of suicide and the like. If you do any research though you will see that there is a much higher suicide rate for acne sufferers than the rest of the population anyways so there is still no absolutely conclusive evidence it triggers suicide. I am not saying it is without its risks just that it has demonstrated itself to be a very helpful product, and has changed many peoples lives. I apolagize if I have offended anyone but I cannot stand by while someone blindly tells people to avoid conventional methods because that is truly ignorant.



Re: dr. stoll

Posted by Sarah on May 15, 2002 at 23:59:15:

In Reply to: dr. stoll posted by doug on May 15, 2002 at 13:10:17:

Maybe doug wishes he can write a book :(

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Re: Another satisfied Accutane user?

Posted by a thought on May 16, 2002 at 10:36:04:

In Reply to: Re: Another satisfied Accutane user? posted by doug on May 15, 2002 at 20:24:55:

Doug, I have a question. I'm not a doctor so I'll not try and bat brains about med. stuff.

But my question is, if a natural method treats a medical problem successfully and either cures the person or cures their symptoms. Wouldn't that be better and more healthy than a man-made product?

If natural is better then wouldn't it be a good idea to try a natural method first and then if it doesn't work go to other sources i.e. man-made products.

a thought

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Re: Another satisfied Accutane user?

Posted by
Todd on May 16, 2002 at 10:44:21:

In Reply to: Re: Another satisfied Accutane user? posted by doug on May 15, 2002 at 20:24:55:

Doug:

As a 40 year old man that has been on 3 courses of accutane, I guess I would like to respond to your post. Obviously, accutane did not cure me as originally indicated by a dermatologist over 16 years ago. Yes, I was very happy at the prospect of it being my cure, but it wasn't. It may be for some, but if reading any of the acne message boards is any indication, there are not many (many people post about being on accutane, but when the treatment is over, very few say they are cured...I am not sure I can recall one at this point). After experiencing this first hand, it is my personal belief that those that are cured are probably the same ones that were going to outgrow acne anyway (and probably just did).

I am currently working on SR very diligently as I believe very strongly that this is finally something that will cure the "root cause" of my problem. Besides, what other option do I have (and it certainly can't hurt me...not sure I could say that about Accutane, anti-biotics, etc)? Although I have not seen a dermatologist in over a year, I seriously doubt there is anything new they have to offer that I have not already tried.

Speaking of options, have you read through the acne archives? I have never seen such an open mind in a doctor as Dr. Stoll has put many unconventional remedies in the archives that people have claimed work for them (Vit B5, egg yolk masks, Vit B6, adrenal caps, etc). Additionally, I have read him more than once advocate conventional medicine when he feels the "facts" warrant it. Personally, that is the kind of physician I would want treating me. Not one that only knows how to write prescriptions and send me on my way!!!


Todd



Doug

Posted by Jon on May 16, 2002 at 14:01:00:

In Reply to: Re: Another satisfied Accutane user? posted by Doug on May 15, 2002 at 18:19:07:

It is impossible for anyone to begin to learn what he believes he already knows. If you can ever get past yourself long enough, maybe you can realize how true this really is.

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Re: Another satisfied Accutane user? (Archive.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on May 17, 2002 at 13:27:32:

In Reply to: Re: Another satisfied Accutane user? posted by Todd on May 16, 2002 at 10:44:21:

Thanks, Todd.

Namaste`

Walt

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