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Dr. Stoll, question about your SR method and its effectiveness on Acne

Posted by
crzyakta on May 26, 2002 at 14:10:30:

Hello,

Dr Stoll, through my online buddy anonymous, I have come to appreciate your work and really do believe in what you say about stress on the hypo and that SR can help induce alpha waves to relieve this build up...I have some questions for you though, did you ever read Dr Leungs theory on why B5 works? Also is it true that you said its only temporary? I am positive that its not temporary, and if taken correctly will last forever as a way to help aid in ridding acne, its considered the 'stress vitamin' and also has alot to do with fat metabolism, wen Im at school school and dealing with alot of stress, I breakout out regardless if Im on B5 (though the severity is MUCH lesser), but now that college is over for the summer my skin has cleared up dramatically, I try to meditate (dont know if im doing it right) for like once a day at about 40 min-1 hour a day, i feel good afterwards, usually do it in the sun just in a pair of shorts, and my skin feel less oily throughout the day, but I MUST mention, I HAVE to take B5 to aid in this, if I dont, i start getting small spots...What do you think of fish oils (high EPA/DHA)? When I tried taking salmon oil I got a pretty bad break out that lasted for like a month straigh back in March...its weird. Is there any possible reason for that? Also I seem to get acne bad during winter, but in summer and early fall, I am REALLY clear. Is there a possible hormonal influx during that time of the year? And finally I would like to know if you have any tips in maintaining alpha waves whilst doing SR, it seems to be really hard for me, as I have anxiety problems and usually lose train of thought easily (pdoc might want to get me on paxil, is that okay?)

BTW I was on accutane and some other drugs the passed 4 years of my life, accutane dried me up badly (60mg a day for 6 months), but after 3 days off it, my oily skin came back big time and I broke out REALLY bad (last year), thats around the time I tried B5 and a really healthy diet, which basically saved my skin

I am of Indian decent, both my parents had acne into their mid 20's, im about to turn 19, trying to put on weight I lost while eating 'healthy', my brother also has acne, though he is not really bothered by it, mine used to be bad cytic, and i have scarring from my period of time while on accutane, im male 148lbs 6'2" (pathetic weight i know, i lost 27 pounds while trying to avoid acne causing foods)..I used to weight lift constantly, and saw good gains until i noticed heavy lifting cause acne flareups...Had to stop at least til summer rolled around...Also with the amount of weight I lost, I couldnt see any more gains, I hit a wall.

Any help is MUCH appreciated, thanks!

Amit



Re: Dr. Stoll, question about your SR method and its effectiveness on Acne

Posted by Gregory Glatz on May 26, 2002 at 23:16:48:

In Reply to: Dr. Stoll, question about your SR method and its effectiveness on Acne posted by crzyakta on May 26, 2002 at 14:10:30:

To Cryzakta,

I'm not Dr. Stoll, but I belive I can respond well to your post.

Acne is something I also battle against. What you said about your school schedule and acne hits home with me. My skin condition greatly improves on weekends and on days when I'm not at school. Stress is also what I attribue this too.

Many hours of my time and large amounts of my money have been spent on treating my acne. I'm gonna tell you about one program that has worked well for me and many others. It is called the Acne Miracle and can be ordered from the website http://acnemiracle.anthill.com/. This ebook contains VAST amounts of information on how diet, internal cleansing, and supplementation can be used to cure acne. I highly recommend this program and believe it will help you rid yourself of acne once and for all regardless on the season or what type of workout demands you put on your body.

The Acne Miracle program as great as it is does not mention anything about SR. I belives this practice to be extremely helpfull in curing acne. It's good that you have started doing SR but why not switch to two 20-30 minute sessions as this is recognized as a more effective routine. Also, if your unsure about whether or not your reaching the alpha state, why not get checked by a biofeedback specialist. He/she can make sure that you are properly executing SR.

To respond to your comments on fish oil, it is most likely that you consumed a product that had become rancid. This would explain why you had such a severe reaction. Did the fish oil taste fishy? Fish oil that has been properly prepared and processed will not have this taste.

Weight loss, again something I have also expereinced. However, once you get past the initial detoxing, a diet which supports acne does not have to cause weight loss. In fact, it actually promotes the growth of lean muscle. The Acne Miralce program provides a very good acne free diet. I did find, though, that I had to diseregard the portion about not eating meat as muscle mass and weight were hard to keep and gain without this source of protein.

Hope this info helps. Be sure to post back if you have any concerns, comments, questions.





Re: Dr. Stoll, question about your SR method and its effectiveness on Acne

Posted by
crzyakta on May 26, 2002 at 23:23:17:

In Reply to: Re: Dr. Stoll, question about your SR method and its effectiveness on Acne posted by Gregory Glatz on May 26, 2002 at 23:16:48:

Hey, thanks for your help.

I have been there last year, and in fact have been on a diet many times stricter than that, its known as "wai's diet" its basically a raw ONLY diet, while eating fats after sugars, you can ONLY eat raw fruits, then raw in shell nuts then raw organic egg yolks/raw fish....Its VERY tough, I lost a TON of weight in a matter of 2-3 weeks while on it, in fact I was on it for about 8 months...The acne miracle thing I looked in and tried, last summer I tried all kinds of things, like liver cleansing, intestine cleansing, fasting, water diets, no carb diets, no fat diets, nada worked even close to as good as B5 did...then during school I noticed B5 wasnt as effective (though did help a great deal then w/o any B5 at all)



Re: Dr. Stoll, question about your SR method and its effectiveness on Acne

Posted by Gregory Glatz on May 27, 2002 at 00:53:19:

In Reply to: Re: Dr. Stoll, question about your SR method and its effectiveness on Acne posted by crzyakta on May 26, 2002 at 23:23:17:

Wow, it does sound like you've tried alot of the programs out there. Keep on working at it. There is a way to cure acne completely no matter how severe the case.

It seems to me that properly executed SR may be of great help to you. Practice it untill you know for sure that your reaching the alpha state. I've also experimented with many approaches geared towards elimintaing acne and in the process severly stressed myslef out making my acne all the harder to overcome. This is where SR can be a lifesaver.

Primal Defense is another thing you might want to look into. It is an awesome soil based organism product which can resotre one's intestinal ecology to proper levels. I belive it to be much more effective than regular probiotic supplements. Many people who have acne are also plaqued by parasites, candida, and low levels of beneficial bacteria in thier intestines. If these probelems are not addressed, acne will persist no matter how perfect one's diet is or how many supplements they take. To learn more about Primal Defense read the archives on LGS.

One last word of advice, everybody's biochemistry is unique and as such everyone will respond differently to different health programs. Keep this in mind while experimenting with all of the many techniques out there. I strongly belive that one should be able to sustain a large amount of muscle mass while being acne free. If a program is making you sick and lathergic for long periods of time no matter how could it sounds in theory, it is probably not best to continue with it. I learnt this lesson the hardway and am still regaining the muscle mass I lost while following certain helath regimes.

I wish you all the best in your endevours. Again if you have any comments, questions, or suggestions, post back.



Re: Dr. Stoll, question about your SR method and its effectiveness on Acne

Posted by Walt Stoll on May 27, 2002 at 09:28:32:

In Reply to: Dr. Stoll, question about your SR method and its effectiveness on Acne posted by crzyakta on May 26, 2002 at 14:10:30:

Hi, Amit.

All of the questions you have asked are answered in the archives if you dig enough.

The main thing I noticed from your note is that you are not doing the SR in a way that would help everyone. See the home page and the archives about that.

Finally, I am waiting to hear from anyone who has experienced a permanent benefit with B5 for acne. I see nothing wrong with using it while one is dealing with the causes but it is only a safe way to help in the meantime.

Hope this helps.

Walt



Re: Dr. Stoll, question about your SR method and its effectiveness on Acne

Posted by
crzyakta on May 27, 2002 at 20:35:14:

In Reply to: Re: Dr. Stoll, question about your SR method and its effectiveness on Acne posted by Gregory Glatz on May 27, 2002 at 00:53:19:

Thanks for the words of advice Greg, I really appreciate them, and the primal defense sounds very interesting, I have been on probiotics before (acidophilus, rhamnosus, plantarum), and found that my body never really needed them, as I dont have candida and eat really healthy, keeping good bacteria in check and my immune system well trained

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Re: Dr. Stoll, question about your SR method and its effectiveness on Acne

Posted by
crzyakta on May 27, 2002 at 20:43:58:

In Reply to: Re: Dr. Stoll, question about your SR method and its effectiveness on Acne posted by Walt Stoll on May 27, 2002 at 09:28:32:

Dr Stoll, thanks for the reply, I really appreciate, the archives is where I got most of my knowledge on the SR, (ie alpha, theta, and delta waves)...One question, you said in sleep, you are in delta mode, correct? And in this mode the hypo is also emptied? So would it be beneficial at all to take on of those afternoon 'powernaps' for like and hour and a half? Would that benefit in any way?

Also:

"Finally, I am waiting to hear from anyone who has experienced a permanent benefit with B5 for acne. I see nothing wrong with using it while one is dealing with the causes but it is only a safe way to help in the meantime."

Obviously its not a cure, I mean when you take it, it helps with its anti-stress properties (dealing with horomones etc..) and fat metabolism, but if you go out and experience stress again and eat another high fat meal, your gonna need more B5, same goes for basically any acne treatment (cept those people lucky enough to be cured on accutane, which sorry to say did almost jack for me)..Also its the same for SR, once you cleared your hypo, you`ll need to redo it again and again (twice daily for 20 min intervals, from what was said here) to maintain clear skin

To me B5 is just like another buttress along with SR, and other stuff like a healthy diets, and stress management...Acne is lessened to a manageable level, where it can be maintained so we are not totally destroyed by what it can do to our minds and bodies.

Also the paxil question, what you thin about paroxetine, some docs say that it can really help with anxiety (like my doc is saying), I find that one of my main problems in terms of flight/fight responses...Would that help in maintaining a balance (I have also read many horror stories on quitting paxil - one thing im scared of)?

Thanks!



Re: Dr. Stoll, question about your SR method and its effectiveness on Acne

Posted by anonymous on May 29, 2002 at 05:23:52:

In Reply to: Re: Dr. Stoll, question about your SR method and its effectiveness on Acne posted by crzyakta on May 27, 2002 at 20:43:58:

Sup Crzyakta,

From what I've learned through numerous books/courses and from Dharma Singh Khalsa,M.D.,and Dr. Stoll delta waves do relieve the hypo;although, at a much slower rate than alpha waves.

ABout paxil,
yeah you can have some withdrawl effects but that's only if you decided to just immediately stop taking it. If you ween off of it like they say your fine. I actually did it stop "cold turkey" with effexor, not the smartest idea but I knew it probably wouldn't hurt me and I was curious....
lol
Sometimes studying/working in neuroscience isn't the BEST thing when you start guinea pigging yourself due to intrigueness...
lol...It actually felt like weird "electrical pulses" it didn't hurt and went away after a few days. It felt as if my brain was a vcr and someone would periodically hit the pause button for say a billionth of a second.

Now I from what I know, that's not a withdrawl effect from paxil, since paxil is an SSRI. I was on zoloft at one time(once again thankyou accutane), it is one of the milder entry level SSRI's and I had no withdrawl effects from it. The only active side effects I had from it was some tiredness at first and sexual side effects. Not wonderful but very common.. I believe taking paxil may help take an edge off the anxiety which can help you get a good foundation with SR.



Re: Dr. Stoll, question about your SR method and its effectiveness on Acne

Posted by Walt Stoll on May 29, 2002 at 09:26:53:

In Reply to: Re: Dr. Stoll, question about your SR method and its effectiveness on Acne posted by anonymous on May 29, 2002 at 05:23:52:

Thanks, anonymous (and crzyatka).

Delta only works IF the person stays awake at the time; Very difficult but not impossible for a Zen Master.

Walt



Re: Dr. Stoll, question about your SR method and its effectiveness on Acne

Posted by crzyakta on May 29, 2002 at 23:23:06:

In Reply to: Re: Dr. Stoll, question about your SR method and its effectiveness on Acne posted by Walt Stoll on May 29, 2002 at 09:26:53:

Thanks for the tip guys,

I took Dr. Stolls advice and did more research on the BB and research on the rest of his site, alot of my questions have been answered, and new insite on stuff like the refined carbs/sugar sections were pretty interesting, as was the SR section...

Delta according to Dr Stoll is 24 times slower in relieving hypothalmus build up, so 8 hours sleep is like 20 min SR session in terms of hypothalmus release

So Dr Stoll, is that like saying alpha/theta induced brain waves clear build up 24 times faster than delta waves? So it would be wise to choose the former? Also I did some research on the Silva method for reaching alpha waves, one suggestion (though only had a 50% effective trial) was to rolls eyes up looking up, now is this done with the eye lids closed or open? Also can SR be done with open eyes? And would you recommend any types of music/sounds whilst doind SR?

Snow, if possible can you tell me all the books you own from Stoll and other relaxation/SR writers? I would like to purchase them to get a better idea

And the Biofeedback machine, which costs around $500, right now I am dead broke, and if I had money I would more than likely devote it to summer courses at my university, but even that is outta reach, as all my earnings are going to pay for next semester...Is the device really needed to reach alpha? Cant i know I am reaching it in another fashion (cheaper :) ). I have now changed my SR pattern from once a day to twice a day, the morning session (3 hours after I awaken) is about 30min-1hr long, the evening is about 25 min long...But I would really like to know I am reaching some state either than beta, I can get really close to falling asleep, and reach a transe-like mode where I am trying my best not to fall asleep, but like unconsciencely doze in a pseudo-awake mode, where if someone calls my name i snap out of it right away, and i am very alert the the whole time, and the thing is wen I awake after what i think is a decent amount of time turns out to be almost an hour! The thing is I do this more often in my mornin sessions, not the later one..its odd, but would it possibly contend as alpha or theta waves? I was on a raw diet for 8 months (because acne) and have just come off of it in the passed 2 weeks, as I lost ALOT of weight from it, and as a guy thats a no-no...Dr Stoll, I would really like to go on a full catabolic diet (though a vegetarian route, as i am one), I have put milk and bread back in my diet, I try to wean towards whole grains, but sometimes they are hard to find so I somtimes buy just 'whole wheat' (it has the bran, but no germ i dont think)...If a "healthy" cereal lists whole grain wheat or whole grain oats as the first ingredient, is it safe to consider that food non-refined carb? If so, would it go rancid like REALLY fast?



Re: Dr. Stoll, question about your SR method and its effectiveness. Archive.

Posted by Walt Stoll on May 30, 2002 at 15:02:12:

In Reply to: Re: Dr. Stoll, question about your SR method and its effectiveness on Acne posted by crzyakta on May 29, 2002 at 23:23:06:

Thanks, crzyatka.

Sorry for the misunderstanding!

The delta works the same IF the person is awake during the time.

When just learning and when the goal is stress-effect reduction I certainly would not choose delta. Leave that to the Zen Masters until you make a hobby of complex SR.

Some of my most effefctive SR is done with eyes open; although that was not the case when I was just learning. The eyes rolling up attitude recommended by Silva worked very well for me as I was just learning. You will find you cannot keep your lids closed when you do that.

What works for me is not that important for you since this is something you must experience. What if I tried to help you learn to ride the bicycle by explaining how it felt do do it??? The only way is for you to DO it.

Let us know what you experience.

Namaste`

Walt



Re: Dr. Stoll, question about your SR method and its effectiveness. Archive.

Posted by anonymous on May 30, 2002 at 15:19:42:

In Reply to: Re: Dr. Stoll, question about your SR method and its effectiveness. Archive. posted by Walt Stoll on May 30, 2002 at 15:02:12:

crzyakta,

The book I have that Dr. Stoll recommended is :
"The Relaxation & Stress Reduction Workbook 5th edition, By: Marthat Davis P.h.D., Elizabeth Pobbins Eshelman, M.S.W., and Matthew McKay Ph.D."

Other books i've read and are sitting right here :

-"Meditation as Medicine By: Dharma Singh Khalsa M.D. and Cameron Stauth"

-"How your mind can keep you well By: Roy Masters"


- "Change your brain change your life Daniel Amen M.D."
That one is about brain and behavior and why not much meditation.




Re: Dr. Stoll, question about your SR method and its effectiveness. Archive.

Posted by crzyakta on May 30, 2002 at 21:05:35:

In Reply to: Re: Dr. Stoll, question about your SR method and its effectiveness. Archive. posted by anonymous on May 30, 2002 at 15:19:42:

Thanks again!

I see what you mean Dr Stoll, from what I have tried, looking upwards helps me initiate a calmness, that I then carry through just relaxing and think of memories that make me happy, and/or 100% concentration on my breathing, I rented a tape on yoga, and from passed BB posts you suggest that it can be used to help reach alpha...So I will give that a try, also about the acne/hypothalmus relationship, would one notice dryer (if they previously had excessively oily skin) more normalized skin withing a few weeks of doing SR properly?

And any insight on my diet? I am looking for a anabolic one to help gain MUCH needed weight (as the raw diet totally was catabolic)

quoted from my previous post:

Dr Stoll, I would really like to go on a full anabolic diet (though a vegetarian route, as i am one), I have put milk and bread back in my diet, I try to wean towards whole grains, but sometimes they are hard to find so I somtimes buy just 'whole wheat' (it has the bran, but no germ i dont think)...If a "healthy" cereal lists whole grain wheat or whole grain oats as the first ingredient, is it safe to consider that food non-refined carb? If so, would it go rancid like REALLY fast?



Re: Dr. Stoll, question about your SR method and its effectiveness. Archive.

Posted by Happygal on May 30, 2002 at 21:21:56:

In Reply to: Re: Dr. Stoll, question about your SR method and its effectiveness. Archive. posted by Walt Stoll on May 30, 2002 at 15:02:12:

Walt,

Complex SR? Please say more. I'm not there yet, but I will be someday.

Thanks, Happygal



Re: Dr. Stoll, question about your SR method and its effectiveness. Archive.

Posted by Walt Stoll on May 31, 2002 at 13:27:26:

In Reply to: Re: Dr. Stoll, question about your SR method and its effectiveness. Archive. posted by crzyakta on May 30, 2002 at 21:05:35:

Hi, crzyakta.

Any grain that has had it's germ removed is NOT whole.

Your oily skin will respond fastest to the EFAs on the home page.

Anything whole will get rancid pretty fast once it is ground. So long as it is alive it is resistant to spoilage except that varments, fungi and the like will eat it.

Walt



Re: Dr. Stoll, question about your SR method and its effectiveness. Archive.

Posted by crzyakta on May 31, 2002 at 14:16:22:

In Reply to: Re: Dr. Stoll, question about your SR method and its effectiveness. Archive. posted by Walt Stoll on May 31, 2002 at 13:27:26:

Wow thanks! I do have Salmon Oil capsules, they are 180mg EPA/120mg DHA is that okay? Would taking like 4-5 a day be a good starting point?

And if a food company claims or a health food store claims that the first ingredient is 'whole grain ***' would that be safe to consider whole grain? I mean how do you make bread/cereal flakes if you dont use the 'grounding' process?



Also

Posted by crzyakta on May 31, 2002 at 14:48:38:

In Reply to: Re: Dr. Stoll, question about your SR method and its effectiveness. Archive. posted by crzyakta on May 31, 2002 at 14:16:22:

About the EFA's, I read the section, and 5g for O3 was stated (but also argued)...my question for that is, do you mean 5g of the actual say fish oils, or a 5g total accum of EPA/DHA, cause at 180/120 a pill, I would have to take 8 pills to get just ~one gram of EPA/DHA

Also it lessens oily skin because hormonal balance Im guessing? If so do you recommend we take them throughout the day? or can I just take like 5 pills in one sitting

And lastly, wouldnt less oily skin help with acne?



Re: Also

Posted by Donna E. on May 31, 2002 at 14:58:30:

In Reply to: Also posted by crzyakta on May 31, 2002 at 14:48:38:

On the Dr. Mercola website, he recommends one pill for every 20 pounds of body weight, divided into two doses - one in the morning and one at night.



Re: Dr. Stoll, question about your SR method and its effectiveness. Archive.

Posted by Walt Stoll on May 31, 2002 at 16:18:10:

In Reply to: Re: Dr. Stoll, question about your SR method and its effectiveness. Archive. posted by Happygal on May 30, 2002 at 21:21:56:

"Complex SR"? What is that?

Namaste`

Walt

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Re: Also

Posted by crzyakta on May 31, 2002 at 19:02:20:

In Reply to: Re: Also posted by Donna E. on May 31, 2002 at 14:58:30:

Thanks for the tip, but those 'pills', how much EPA/DHA do they contain?



Re: Also

Posted by Donna E. on May 31, 2002 at 19:08:51:

In Reply to: Re: Also posted by crzyakta on May 31, 2002 at 19:02:20:

Here is the quote from Dr. Mercola website:

"The standard fish oil capsule is 180 mg of EPA and 120 mg of DHA.

My previously standard dose is one of these capsules for every ten pounds of body weight, preferably in two divided doses. So if you weigh 160 pounds you would take 8 capsules twice a day. If you have problems with belching them up, you will want to consider taking them on an empty stomach.

I have revised the dose this week, based upon discussions with my chief nutritionist, Jim Marlowe. I now recommend one capsule for every twenty pounds of body weight, preferably in two divided doses.

I believe that the old dose is still valid if you are treating cancer, heart disease, diabetes, or trying to lose weight. However, if you are not sick or already relatively healthy, then you should significantly reduce that amount by 50-75% or more. You can resume the old dose once the weather warms up."

The full text is here:

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Re: Also

Posted by anonymous on June 01, 2002 at 03:28:56:

In Reply to: Also posted by crzyakta on May 31, 2002 at 14:48:38:

With Omega-3 fish oil look for the highest DHA content you can find. Make sure it doesn't contain vitamin A. You can adjust your dosage according to the way it makes you feel.
You'll feel the effects of mega dose fish oil on your CNS almost immediately.
One way to tell if your dosage is abnormally high is when you cut yourself your body has trouble clotting, and you bleed longer than normal. Omega-3's thin the blood.
Nevertheless if fish oil doesn't help your oil, you WILL feel an effect on mood, concentration, and wellbeing.

I buy a case of 20 at a time, this isn't the "best" brand but it's still good qualtiy for a good price:

I started I believe at around 4-5 grams and have been taking 8 grams divided into doses twice a day religiously for the last year and half.



Re: Also

Posted by anonymous on June 01, 2002 at 03:40:06:

In Reply to: Re: Also posted by anonymous on June 01, 2002 at 03:28:56:

Also don't forget Omega-6,9;although omega-3 is the most important. There is a brand called "health from the sun" that contains capsules with all 3 efa's balanced; which is good for 6 and 9; although you need extra omega-3.

If you wanna read it's miraculous effects on manic/uni polar depression, anxiety, and even schizo look up
"harvard fish oil" in a search engine.

The neuroscientist that was in charge of the first
Bi-polar study is named is Dr. Stoll also.
What a coincidence.....
lol



Re: Also

Posted by 'Sensual' on June 01, 2002 at 08:13:47:

In Reply to: Re: Also posted by anonymous on June 01, 2002 at 03:40:06:

How about cod liver oil? Just as good or what....



Re: Also

Posted by crzyakta on June 01, 2002 at 11:05:04:

In Reply to: Re: Also posted by 'Sensual' on June 01, 2002 at 08:13:47:

Thanks for the link now, dont know if I can afford a case of 20 as of yet though :\

Also CLO has vitamin A in it, so is that bad?



Re: Also

Posted by anonymous on June 01, 2002 at 15:41:42:

In Reply to: Re: Also posted by crzyakta on June 01, 2002 at 11:05:04:

It can be good for skin; although, if your taking high doses it can be toxic and doing opposite effects on your CNS.



Re: Also

Posted by crzyakta on June 01, 2002 at 18:17:32:

In Reply to: Re: Also posted by anonymous on June 01, 2002 at 15:41:42:

Yeah I see what you are saying, but Cod Liver Oil only has like 4500IU per serving, which is less than eating half a carrot...plus in bottle form its really cheap, and has 500/500 DHA/EPA

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