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Posted by Jeffrey M on June 03, 2002 at 00:08:37:

Hi everyone. Ive just started to check out this website & the ideas presented here. - - I'm an 'old' guy of 44 years and have had a problem with oily skin and acne since I was about 11 or 12. I've used all the OTC stuff and have now been taking Dynacin (minocycline)for a couple years with mixed results. I would have to say that the times when I havent been plauged by some acne breakout somewhere on my face have been very rare. - - I went to a new dermatologist and he prescribed 20 mg of Accutane per day. I weigh in at around 200 lbs so this is about .25mg/kilo body weight or half of the minimal recommended dose that I've read about since getting the prescription. What do you think of such a dosage recommendation for someone starting out with Accutane? - - On reflection, I havent been very proactive in my own acne treatment over the years. In ignorance, I mostly waited to use OTC products after a breakout occured and I see now that this was a mistake. After I started going to dermatologists, I thought that the prescription meds they gave me would take care of things. But, that hasnt been the case. I can also see that the physicians really didn't give me any information about how to treat my acne. They pretty much handed me a prescription and every few months I would go back and they would ask how it was going and write another prescription. In the case of the recent Accutane prescription, I had heard of the drug but didn't know anything about it. I was shocked when I saw that it would cost a great deal of money to use this medication (I have major medical insurance for the big stuff, but would have to pay for this myself) and there are serious side effects and precautions to consider. None of this was mentioned by the M.D. - - he just handed me the prescription. Has this been the experience of others that have gone through this? And, is Accutane the only real option for someone like me who has had acne for 30 years or will some of these gentler options work in my case? Thanks for letting me get this off my chest and for any comments you can provide. Regards, Jeffrey M

Re: "Old" guy with Acne

Posted by Gregory Glatz on June 03, 2002 at 01:51:31:

In Reply to: "Old" guy with Acne posted by Jeffrey M on June 03, 2002 at 00:08:37:

Hi Jeffery,

My first recommendation to you is to read the archives on acne. There you can find out how to implement Dr. Stoll's three legged wellness stool to rid yourself of acne once and for all. Be sure to checkout how stress affects the hypothalmus resulting in a hormonal imbalance which is most likely the root cause of your acne.

Acne especially adult acne is not cured by taking a prescirption or by applying topical treatments. These methods only address the symptons of the disease not the cause. The fact that you are afflicted by acne is your body's way of telling you that it is out of balance. Until your body is returned to homeostatsis, your acne will most likely persist.

I can understand what your going through for I too have been plaqued by acne since my early teens. However, there is a way to fight against and beat it permanently.

Besides doing DR. Stoll's wellness program, I would also recommend you check out an ebook called the Acne Miracle. It contains a pleothra of information regarding acne, its real causes, and how to cure it. Do a websearch on "Acne Miracle" and you'll find it.

One word of advice, though, everybody's biochemistry is different. If your following a program and its making you sick a lathergic for long periods of time, it is probably best not to continue with it. I once experimented with a pureley vegan diet, like the one recommended in the Acne Miralce ebook, for a fairly large stretch of time and had rather bad results. This is not to say that vegan diets are bad for all people. It just did not agree with my biological makeup. Use your head when experimenting with alternative therapies and above all listen to your body.

Hope this information provides you with a place to start in riding yourslef of acne. If you have any questions or comments, be sure to post back.

Re: "Old" guy with Acne

Posted by Jeffrey M on June 03, 2002 at 10:24:54:

In Reply to: Re: "Old" guy with Acne posted by Gregory Glatz on June 03, 2002 at 01:51:31:

Gregory - thanks for the excellent feedback. - - I think you're right on the mark about the central role of stress in my chronic acne. I've always been a Type A kinda guy and that probably has a lot to do with it. I'm investigating stress relief methods now. Who knows, maybe this acne is a blessing since it has forced me to look at these isssues and take a more active role in promoting my own health. > > Like most of us, I'm looking for the best trade offs in terms of results vs. costs in money and harmful side effects. (I'm wondering if you or others can kindly refer me to sources for additional information on EFAs ? I'm particularly interested in types, dosages, and good sources for purchase.) - - Thanks again for your post. Regards, - - Jeffrey M

Not an "old guy" and not a Dr. but found what works for me and many others..msg

Posted by Rachel on June 03, 2002 at 12:25:30:

In Reply to: "Old" guy with Acne posted by Jeffrey M on June 03, 2002 at 00:08:37:

ProActive. Not to be a billboard of advertisement but I have many friends who have been battling oily skin and acne their whole lives. They have tried ProActive and in just a few weeks time, their whole acne situation has gone away. I'm sure this does not work for everyone but for those I know who use it, it has. Many on this board will tell you that if you incorporate SR into your day, this will too help with the acne.
ProActive has a website I believe. Check it out if you want and good luck!

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Re: "Old" guy with Acne

Posted by Gregory Glatz on June 03, 2002 at 20:31:45:

In Reply to: Re: "Old" guy with Acne posted by Jeffrey M on June 03, 2002 at 10:24:54:

To Jeffery,

I'm glad you are beginnig to take truly proactive approach to your health. I will attmept to provide with some quality information regarding EFA's.

The three most important essentail oils in terms of treating acne are flax oil, borage oil, and primrose oil. Flax will meet your omega three fatty acid needs while primrose and borage oil will provide you with a good base of omega 6 fatty acids.

Everyone's body is differnet and as such effective doses of EFA's vary drastically from person to person. Start off with 1-2 tablespoons of flax oil, 1 teaspoon of borage oil, and 1 teaspoon of primrose oil twice a day. Experiment with higher amounts from there. Listen to your body, for it will tell you if your EFA supplementation is working. Your oily skin should start to balance out and the rate of growth of your hair and fingernails will increase.

When purchasing essential oils, quality is of the utmost importance. All EFA's especially flax go rancid at become harmful to the body when exposed to heat, light and oxygen. EFA's have to be cold pressed and packaged in dark bottles to perserve their integrity. In addition, flax oil must always be refigerated. It goes rancid extremely quickly at room temperature. The taste and consistency of essentail oils is a good way to check their quality. Essentail oils should never have any sort of fishy taste and should also have a thick consistency.

Many people obtain good results in dealing with their acne by supplementing with fish oil instead of/in combination with flax oil. This is mainly due to the fact that fish oil contains many longer chain omega three fatty acids not found in flax oil. One's body usually has to convert the shorter chain omega three acids found in flax to the longer ones found in fish oil. People with acne usually have trouble with this conversion and hence the benefits of fish oil.

If you decide to supplement with fish oils be sure to purchase those of quality. Taste the oil, if it has even a slight fishy taste than it has gone rancid. I know this sounds weird when speaking of fish oil,but the fact is quality fish oil will not have a fishy taste.

Health from the Sun is, in my opinion, by far the best producer of EFA's. I strongly recommend you pruchase their products. They make a supplement called The Total EFA which combines flax, primrose, and borage oil all together. Purchasing this supplement is cheaper than buying all the essentail oils indvidually. Do make sure, though, when pruchasing this product that it has been kept refigerated.

In order for EFA's to be an effective treatment against acne they must be asorbed by the body. The Acne Miracle ebook will provide you with methods and suplement regimes that will dratically increase the absorbtion and utilization of the EFA's you are supplementing with. Like I said in my earlier post, I strongly recommend you purchase it.

Once again, I hope this information is helpful. Feel free to post back with any questions or comments.

Forgot to Mention

Posted by Gregory Glatz on June 03, 2002 at 20:35:54:

In Reply to: Re: "Old" guy with Acne posted by Gregory Glatz on June 03, 2002 at 20:31:45:

One thing to keep in ming while supplementing with EFA's is to strive for a 2-1 balance between omega three acids and omega 6 acids.

Re: "Old" guy with Acne (Archive.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on June 04, 2002 at 07:46:09:

In Reply to: "Old" guy with Acne posted by Jeffrey M on June 03, 2002 at 00:08:37:

Congratulations, Jeffrey.

The "old guys" get a higher % of cure than the young guys and THEY get nearly 100% if they follow the approaches that every one else has suggested to your note.

Let us know how you do. Perhaps your experiences will help others to not live with it as you have.


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Flax Oil Question

Posted by Jeffrey M on June 04, 2002 at 10:32:51:

In Reply to: Forgot to Mention posted by Gregory Glatz on June 03, 2002 at 20:35:54:

Gregory & Walt - thanks for your helpful input. - - I've got alot of homework to do in terms of reading the archives. But, I wanted to get started as soon as possible so I picked up some flax oil yesterday. The particular brand I got was from a good local health food store. It's called Barlean's Lignan Flax Oil and states that it has 6200mg of Omega-3 and 1810mg of Omega 6 per tablespoon. So, wouldn't this one oil be able to provide all my requirements according to Walt's Omega 3 & 6 recommendations? Thanks again for your help, - - Jeff

Re: Flax Oil Question

Posted by Gregory Glatz on June 04, 2002 at 23:43:21:

In Reply to: Flax Oil Question posted by Jeffrey M on June 04, 2002 at 10:32:51:

To Jeffery,

I am not completely familiar with Dr. Stoll's recommendations on essential oils, but I will answer your question to the best of my knowledge.

There are several diiferent types of omega three acids and omega six acids. ALA, EPA, and DHA all fall under the category of omega three fatty acids. GLA, and LA fall under the omega six classification. There are many others, but I wont list them here.

Flax oil contains high concentrations of ALA and LA, however it lacks GLA. GLA is essentail in maintaing hormonal balance, hence its usefullness in a supplemnt regime. Borage oil and primrose oil booth contain large quantities of GLA. In additon, many people believe borage and primrose oil contain secondary factors which aid in regultaing hormone production. I recommend you supplement with booth of these as well as your flax oil product. If you have to choose between borage and primrose, borage oil has a higher GLA content than primrose and thus is probably the most logical choice.

Thanks for the info Gregory (nm)

Posted by Jeffrey M. on June 05, 2002 at 00:19:23:

In Reply to: Re: Flax Oil Question posted by Gregory Glatz on June 04, 2002 at 23:43:21:


Re: Flax Oil Question

Posted by Walt Stoll on June 05, 2002 at 07:55:14:

In Reply to: Flax Oil Question posted by Jeffrey M on June 04, 2002 at 10:32:51:

Hi, Jeffrey.

Listen to Gregory.

Depending on what you are trying to accomplish, I think this product would be a good starting place. The EFAs starting dose is detailed in the home page article.


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Free "accutane" found in eggs :)

Posted by ~CT on June 05, 2002 at 10:42:28:

In Reply to: "Old" guy with Acne posted by Jeffrey M on June 03, 2002 at 00:08:37:

Here is a copy of an old archive found here on the BB's.

Posted by amaryllis on March 24, 2002 at 13:48:44:
In Reply to: Dr. Stoll what would you recomend I do for mild acne? posted by Chris on March 24, 2002 at 00:07:05:

This is the Ann Landers column from 12/01/92:

Dear Ann Landers: In 1969, I started my first year as a university student. Soon after, I developed a severe case of acne, and I am sure stress had a lot to do with it. I went to three doctors and spent hundreds of dollars on medicine that did not work.

The summer of 1970, I went to lunch with a friend at the World Bank in Washington, D.C., and while in the ladies' room, a beautiful East Indian woman wearing a sari gave me a smile. When I responded, she touched my face and said, "Oh, no. Red ugly spots on pretty face. You fix with egg yolk." I said, "Are you serious? Do you think it would really help?"

She replied, "Yes, you put raw egg yolk on face and let dry for 10 minutes, then wash off. Do every day for one month and spots go away. You do again two times in every month for three months and again if trouble starts."

I was unconvinced but thanked her anyway. That night I decided I had very little to lose since the acne was terrible and nothing else had worked. Well, Ann, that woman knew what she was talking about. Since then, I've told several friends about the egg-yolk cure and the success rate has been phenomenal. Please tell your readers. They'll be forever grateful.


Ann Landers' reply:

I faxed your letter to Dr. Mary Ellen Brademas, a superb dermatologist in New York, and this is her response:

For many years, topical applications of Vitamin A have been prescribed by physicians as a treatment for acne. Because egg yolks are an excellent source of Vitamin A, it is not surprising that raw egg yolks improve acne lesions. It is interesting that the writer's lesions appeared after periods of stress. Stress can make acne worse and can also worsen other conditions such as ulcers and psoriasis.

In any case, sometimes there is a simple scientific basis for success in home remedies.
(End of Ann Landers Column)

(begin post by Mary)

Posted by Mary on August 13, 2000 at 02:17:49:

I did a little research, and I think you'll be interested to see what I've found:

Egg yolks are one of the richest sources of vitamin A on the planet. Vitamin A is composed of many different chemical forms which are collectively known as retinoids.

All-trans-retinoic acid (AKA Retin-A), is one of them. It is mainly used in regulating the amount of skin cells produced and skin cell shedding. This is good for acne because it keeps your pores from clogging up.

13-cis-retinol is another. After many chemical reactions within the body, this compound is transformed into 13-cis-retinoic acid, which is Accutane. (Wierd, huh? Your body produces Accutane naturally from Vitamin A....) Anyhow, this compound has 3 main functions in stopping acne:

1) regulation of skin cell production
2) inhibition of oil production
3) inhibition of Propionibacterium acnes, the bacteria that causes acne.

As an aside, I discovered that the reason you can't get your Accutane pills too hot or exposed to too much light is because the compound 13-cis-retinoic acid is very unstable as it is produced within your body under very specific conditions, so the synthetic form just doesn't keep well.

Now, the fact that it inhibits oil production is just one clearly stated fact that I have come across many times.

In scientific analyses of egg yolks, it was discovered that the yolks contain 13-cis-retinol, which could either be converted into the 13-cis-retinoic acid in the skin, or the 13-cis-retinoic acid is already present in the egg yolk. It is also possible that there are other, yet-to-be discovered retinoids present in the egg yolks that could be beneficial for the skin.

So putting egg yolk on your skin is kind of like putting a cocktail of Retin A and Accutane right on your face! It is also possible that eating egg yolks could be beneficial for treating acne. Of course, scientific studies of egg yolks and their affect on acne has not been undertaken, and probably never

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Thanks to all for your recommendations (nm)

Posted by Jeffrey M. on June 05, 2002 at 20:48:19:

In Reply to: "Old" guy with Acne posted by Jeffrey M on June 03, 2002 at 00:08:37:


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Posted by
sarah on June 05, 2002 at 22:52:12:

In Reply to: "Old" guy with Acne posted by Jeffrey M on June 03, 2002 at 00:08:37:

Jeffrey, 44 is not old

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Thanks everyone for your helpful & kind comments (nm)

Posted by Jeffrey M. on June 06, 2002 at 19:53:19:

In Reply to: Thanks for the info Gregory (nm) posted by Jeffrey M. on June 05, 2002 at 00:19:23:

no msg

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