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Posted by
lisa on June 30, 2002 at 10:45:34:

Hi,
I have lots of tiny sebaseous cysts all over my body plus i have quite bad acne. I have been taking EFAs for a while and i have been trying to have a healthy diet but to no avail nothing seems to help. My doctor actually told me that the EFAs might actually irritate my skin and advised me to stop it. Is this true i find this hard to beleive as i thought vitamins were supposed to make you healthier. I am also about to start taking accutane and dianette again. I was just wondering if it is still ok to take EFAs with these medicines and is it ok to drink alcohol as well. I take 1200mg of soya lecithin, 2000mg flaxseed oil and 3000mg of evening primrose a day. I am a student so i tend to drink a fair amount each week could this be having an effect on my skin. Also the actual amount of GLA i get a day is only 210mg and ALA is 1140mg a day. Is this enough,i weigh 8 stone (sorry don't know that in pounds). I looked up doses on the EFAs page but i didn't know what mgm stood for. I live in England and I get my vitamins from Holland and barrett, these were the largest doses i could find. Does anyone know of a place with higher doses. I am a student and i don't think i can really afford anything over the internet. Also i try and stick to a healthy diet but i also have a budget which means it is hard to stay healthy sometimes. I try and eat as much fish fruit and vegetables as possible. For dinner i try and eat cous cous, rice dishes,rissotto or salmon dishes. These dishes especially salmon can be quite expensive for students though. Are there any other cheap alternatives? All the health shops i have been to seem to be quite expensive. Recently all i have been eating is fruit and veg! I am scared i will make my spots even worse if i eat junk food. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I really want to try and tackle this problem. I am only nineteen and i find it quite depressing sometimes. I am actually thinking of taking a gap year from uni. As i realise the typical student lifestyle of copious amounts of alcohol, late nights and cheap junk food isn't having a wonderful affect on my skin. I love uni though and would only do that as a last resort. So, if anyone knows where to get cheap vitamins and cheap healthy food please tell me!
lisa



Re: Skin problems

Posted by Maria on June 30, 2002 at 15:54:49:

In Reply to: Skin problems posted by lisa on June 30, 2002 at 10:45:34:

First off, I think your dosage of Ala may be a little too high, i may be wrong so wait and check that with Doc. walt. the EFAs that you are taking shouldnt make you breakout, but then everyone reacts individually.

Have you tried b5? I am currently on b5 for the last two weeks and I hardly have one active zit left on my face. I am on 2g currently, and will see if I can control the breakouts on a low dosage. previously i was on 3g, which worked very well. You will find some people are on 15-20g of b5. I wont go on such extreme doses, but each to his own. I dont need high doses, so i am lucky. Many people have had great success on b5. Also take up meditation, that always is a big help in calming the skin down.

I also am on the pill, but for a different reason. Which pill are you on, because certain ones can affect acne and worsen it?

the alchol. I use to notice that when I went out and would have a few drinks the next morning my skin seemed clearer. i dont know if that was because the alcohol dehydrated me, thus dehydrating my skin, but I defintely noticed any active breakouts were much better. I am certainly not advocating alcohol, just something I have noticed. But i hardly ever drink, as I want to keep my liver healthy and thats more important to me, especially after having taken Accutane myself.

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Re: Skin problems

Posted by Iri on June 30, 2002 at 21:12:22:

In Reply to: Skin problems posted by lisa on June 30, 2002 at 10:45:34:

Hi Lisa!
I read a book entirely on Evening Primrose Oil and several articles before deciding to take it,and I remember reading a few times that it can be bad for acne.I don't remember the details since it was a long time ago,and I have dry skin-so I didn't pay much attention to that part-.A friend of mine who has oily skin does not take it for this reason either.

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Re: Skin problems

Posted by R. on June 30, 2002 at 21:24:50:

In Reply to: Skin problems posted by lisa on June 30, 2002 at 10:45:34:

Alcohol is metabolized in the liver, and Accutane is also hard on liver. Accidentally, I've been a student too, but no one forced me to drink. Is your university like a German concentration camp where people were forced to do things they didn't feel like doing? Being sarcastic here to make a point...

As Dr. Stoll often says, SR is more important to treat acne that a diet. Not that diet is not important. So, deal with your chronic stress.

Find out if you have problems with sugar metabolism. I know if I eat even unrefined sugar (sweet fruits and vegies, etc.) I break out. When I was doing that, I couldn't understand why I kept breaking out -- I ate what I thought was healthy. Well, probably not for me, or at least, not for me for the time being. I now limit those foods (no bread or grain based foods at all) and eat lots of meat (most of it is rare and raw), fish (much less than meat because it's expensive), raw eggs (mostly raw yolks), raw goat milk, butter (can't find it raw), extra virgin olive oil, and nonstarchy vegies, and I've been pretty much breakout free. I also take cod liver oil from time to time, but hasn't affected my skin noticably. See if you need a similar adjustment to achieve good results. I am not the only one, BTW, to have benefitted from low carb/high protein and fat diet. Especially, grains.

Regarding EFA's. Conversion rate of plant based oils to the final forms (EPA and DHA) is poor, especially in some people. Maybe you'd do better with fish oil. Cod liver oil is better for it contains vitamin A and D. Find a high vitamin cod liver oil and take it.



Re: (Cravings for R.)Skin problems

Posted by Sensual on June 30, 2002 at 22:55:01:

In Reply to: Re: Skin problems posted by R. on June 30, 2002 at 21:24:50:

R.

Do you ever experience cravings for carbs. I do try and keep them to a minimum, but I do experience cravings. Take for example yesterday, I had two buckwheat pancakes for breakfast, then blueberry muffins, then I had some sprouted bread later in the day. I do crave carbs, but do I have to restrict them altogether. I do notice my skin is better when I restrict them, but find it hard to restrict grains altogether.



Re: (Cravings for R.) (Does R. crave you too?

Posted by Jokester on July 01, 2002 at 00:40:24:

In Reply to: Re: (Cravings for R.)Skin problems posted by Sensual on June 30, 2002 at 22:55:01:

I had to ask. Sorry.



Re: (Cravings for R.) (Does R. crave you too?)

Posted by Jokester on July 01, 2002 at 00:44:02:

In Reply to: Re: (Cravings for R.) (Does R. crave you too? posted by Jokester on July 01, 2002 at 00:40:24:

If I were R. I'd crave someone Sensual...



Re: (Cravings for R.) (Does R. crave you too?

Posted by Sensual on July 01, 2002 at 01:44:16:

In Reply to: Re: (Cravings for R.) (Does R. crave you too? posted by Jokester on July 01, 2002 at 00:40:24:

Trust a Jokester to say something like that. Sheesh! Geez, I wonder what you are craving. Carbs, maybe????



The Jokester is on a carb free diet. nmi

Posted by Mrs. Jokester on July 01, 2002 at 02:04:04:

In Reply to: Re: (Cravings for R.) (Does R. crave you too? posted by Sensual on July 01, 2002 at 01:44:16:


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Re: (Cravings for R.) (Does R. crave you too?)

Posted by R. on July 01, 2002 at 03:09:08:

In Reply to: Re: (Cravings for R.) (Does R. crave you too?) posted by Jokester on July 01, 2002 at 00:44:02:

A little sensual would be good once in a while. Balanced with nonsensual qualities... to stay in the zone, so to speak.



Re: (Cravings for R.)Skin problems

Posted by R. on July 01, 2002 at 03:20:06:

In Reply to: Re: (Cravings for R.)Skin problems posted by Sensual on June 30, 2002 at 22:55:01:

It depends on what you mean when you say crave. If it's to need urgently or require, then probably not. When I am hungry, I would really like to have some carbs, but when I satisfy my hunger with protein and fat, the desire goes away completely. To be accurate, I don't avoid all carbs, I just limit them to nonsweet fruits and vegies. Lately I've started again to eat sandwiches made with some good (in mind mind) bread, butter, and nut butter (currently, cachews and macademia nuts), and it often results in constipation and breakouts. I clear constipation with magnesium citrate (powder dissolved in hot water), and then I cut the bread, and these new breakouts heal fast without becoming inflamed as they used to in the past when I continually ate what I thought was good for me, lots of complex carbs.



Re: (Cravings for R.) (Does R. crave you too?) Nonsenual or Nonsensical?

Posted by The Jokesters on July 01, 2002 at 03:40:55:

In Reply to: Re: (Cravings for R.) (Does R. crave you too?) posted by R. on July 01, 2002 at 03:09:08:

She says Sensual makes sense[ical].

I don't know about that. Sounds a bit nonsens[ical].


every once and a while she sticks some carbs thru the bars of the cage. We both think Sensual
would drag you way out the zone, but you would die happy.



Re: (Cravings for R.) (Does R. crave you too?) Nonsenual or Nonsensical?

Posted by R. on July 01, 2002 at 06:03:30:

In Reply to: Re: (Cravings for R.) (Does R. crave you too?) Nonsenual or Nonsensical? posted by The Jokesters on July 01, 2002 at 03:40:55:

Or maybe she'd drop her carb addiction if I loaded her with protein. I probably just gave another spinnable substance.

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Re: Thanks R. nmi (Cravings for R.)Skin problems

Posted by Sensual on July 01, 2002 at 06:59:52:

In Reply to: Re: (Cravings for R.)Skin problems posted by R. on July 01, 2002 at 03:20:06:

nmi

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Re: Skin problems (Archive in acne.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on July 02, 2002 at 07:02:45:

In Reply to: Skin problems posted by lisa on June 30, 2002 at 10:45:34:

Hi, Lisa.

It is true that in some susceptible people omega 6s can cause skin irritation. Listen to Iri & Maria.

Alcohol is one of the things that CERTAINLY damages health and anything that damages health makes acne worse.

You seem to equate being a student with having to drink a lot. You are hurting your grades at the same time. The day will come, hopefully if you are not a raging alcoholic by that time, when you will look back on your drinking days with disgust at your foolishness.

If you are concerned about the EFAs causing skin irritation (when your alcohol is certainly doing a lot more damage than any EFAs possibly could----) just take 3000 mgm (milligrams) of omega 3s twice a day. They cannot possibly cause you any problems and might do the entire job by themselves.

I really am nonplussed to think that you are concerned about the possible minimal side-effects of the EFAs while ignoring the warnings on the package insert for the Accutane about alcohol-------a MUCH bigger potential problem.

The Arica Foundation proved, more than 30 years ago, that EVERY altered state that any drugs (like alcohol) can produce can be perfectly reproduced by minimal training--without the drugs. Since all of those states of mind are SR (and SR is the most important thing known to eventually resolve the acne) you could resolve several of your problems at the same time by just following the acne protocol in the archives.

Walt



Re: Skin problems (Archive in acne.)

Posted by
Sue on July 08, 2002 at 00:43:09:

In Reply to: Re: Skin problems (Archive in acne.) posted by Walt Stoll on July 02, 2002 at 07:02:45:

DR. Stoll state:
"You seem to equate being a student with having to drink a lot. You are hurting your grades at the same time. The day will come, hopefully if you are not a raging alcoholic by that time, when you will look back on your drinking days with disgust at your foolishness."

Um, I respected you Dr. Stoll till I read this BS! Can you be any more biased and morally superior, not to mention just plain WRONG? LOL I thought you were a doctor; doctors are trained in the scientific method. I hate to break it to you but a lot of people drink in college and don't turn into raging alcoholics. The fact that you tell this girl that it will be a miracle if she's not is asinine!. That is not the kind of attitude one would expect form a doctor.

I also hate to break it to you but you can go out have a good time AND STILL GET GOOD GRADES. My sister has partied many weekends at her college (she just finished her this year) and she has a 3.9 GPA. I graduated cum laude! Talk about a false syllogism. People who drink in college will turn into alcoholics. Therefore all people who drank in college are now alcoholics. I don’t think so. That's not even logical! Not everyone who drinks is some wild party animal who gets crappy grades and ends up as an alcoholic. Come on! What kind of scare tactics are these?!

Also, I think my sister and I both can look back on our college days with fond remembrance, not with foolish chagrin at "druken" antics as you pompously predict that poster will. Lol, who do you think you are. I think everyone needs to be aware of your particular brand of advice. Maybe this is the real reason you lost your license. Giving out false and biased advice as a physician is like a grocer knowingly giving out tainted food…the repercussions of both are quite serious AND dangerous.



Re: Skin problems ...And Then Of Course When Walt Is Right...

Posted by
Gregory on July 08, 2002 at 02:29:59:

In Reply to: Re: Skin problems (Archive in acne.) posted by Sue on July 08, 2002 at 00:43:09:

It could have been me.

Drug of choice back then was weed. An older student, a friend gave mr a choice.

"You can do weed, or you can do computers, but you can't do both."

And he was right.

I got "The Cure" in time.

No so with my brother. One time I went to visit him in his dorm room. Knocked on the door.
No answer. Everyone laughed when I asked if he was in. I panicked and broke the lock on
the door since I had seen smoke seeping from the cracks. When I got the door open there
was a second door there, like in a cartoon, except this one was make out of smoke. In fact
the whole room was a solid block of heavy marajuana smoke. At first I thought my brother
was asleep, but more likely passed out. I opened the window and dragged my brother into
the hallway. It took him a while to come to, and longer still to recognize me. After
he recognized me, he was furious that I had destroyed his "smoked-filled room."

And yes, my brother graduated. He also shot his liver and kidney to pieces, addicted
as he was to both weed and alcohol. It made recovery from diabetes nearly impossible,
and to my way of thinking, something of a living hell.

He looked fondly at his college days. Thought he was having a grand time. Learned how
to kill himself right nicely, that much the whole family knows.

Your sister was lucky. That's all.

Lisa might not be so lucky, and for what? Why have a monkey on your back if you can avoid it?

Sure, cutting up once or twice won't kill you, but do you really need to go through the DT's
in the name of "fun" when you've got to cram for an exam?

It's a no-brainer.

And Sue, are you so unforgiving that the least mistake on Walt's part causes you to lose all
faith in him and his knowledge? Maybe you would be better off with one of those "truthful"
allopathic doctors who still have their license. I am sure that their unbiased advice will
keep you in excellent health.



Lightwalking,
Gregory

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Re: Skin problems (Archive in acne.) (Shame!)

Posted by Walt Stoll on July 09, 2002 at 08:11:26:

In Reply to: Re: Skin problems (Archive in acne.) posted by Sue on July 08, 2002 at 00:43:09:

Sue,

Someone needed to say this to him. If his health was perfect perhaps not but he was asking help for a chronic condition no one else had been able to help him with.

Perhaps when you are older, and perhaps wiser, you will be embarrassed at your response.

Walt

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