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Posted by Kari on August 23, 1999 at 11:34:43:

Is it just the disease acne that you prescribe relaxation, exercise and diet adjustments for or is the "miracle cure" for other GENETIC diseases? What about diabetes? Can you "relax" that away too? It really is an insult to people with acne to say these things. Your site seems more about making money for bullcrap than anything else. (i.e. your phone business that sounds a lot like those psychics that come on at midnight). If you've never prescribed Accutane, how can you profess to know so much about it? I started getting acne when I was in like 3rd or 4th grade, and other than that, I was a healthy child AND had not started puberty yet. How do you explain that away? Are you trying to say that your immune system would take care of the acne if it wasn't fighting all kinds of other things? You've told us what to do but you haven't explained how this technique really works?



Re: Acne

Posted by
Lisa on August 23, 1999 at 17:31:56:

In Reply to: Acne posted by Kari on August 23, 1999 at 11:34:43:

Hi Kari, I like your sarcastic attitude…you sound like me, BUT…

Although you are justified to be distrustful of something which seems so outside what's practiced now, your own sentiment of "how do you know if you never have…" someone could ask the same of you. I am a "beginner" in standing on the wellness stool-(which you can read about here) I have to be careful not to be too flippant about all of this, because IT ISN'T SIMPLE, and I'm not there yet. (And part of the point is that it takes an ongoing effort to "be well")

I, too, developed acne when I was very young (10 or 11?) My mother had it bad when she was young, as did her Dad. There was a grim resignation to its existence in my family. I spent a lot of time crying when I was a girl, because I felt like I was wearing a monster mask. Finally, at 20, I asked a doctor about accutane. He refused to prescribe it because of the risk of birth defects in any children I might have. But he offered no help, except to say "go, live, be happy…" I went home and cried some more. How can anyone who hasn't experienced that know what it means? I still have acne at 40. Granted, I guess by now it's done most of the damage it can do, but I hate the scars and I feel like my skin never looks good.

I always get mad when I see those stupid commercials for pimple medicines where girls are laughing about a pimple on their nose, or when a friend of mine complains that her skin breaks out when she eats chocolate or potato chips (which I don't eat)- it all seems so unfair and cruel. And I feel like I can understand why this meditation, diet and exercise stuff might seem cruel too, because it can't possibly affect such profoundly inherited things, right? And THEN, if you're told that all you need to do is eat certain foods, exercise and meditate to make your acne go away, it must be YOUR FAULT you have acne. HOW EXTRASPECIALLY CRUEL! Isn't it enough that the bad guys in the movies are the ones with acne, and that NO women in movies have it? Now it's MY FAULT 'cause I'm stressed out or something? It's just not that simple. It's the stress hormones that are circulating in your body (just as in everyone's) that are affecting your metabolism and physiology and bringing out something to which you have a genetic predisposition. You and I have to be BETTER than other people at eating carefully and exercising regularly. And Skilled Relaxation is the only way I know to overcome those nasty stress hormones and to "rebalance" your physiology.

ANYWAYS, just in the short time I've been trying to incorporate a healthier diet and SR into my life, I have noticed that my skin looks better. Because my acne was not so bad anymore, anyway, I guess you can't take that as a testimony, but I can't help feeling that it can help you too. There's a lot of testimonials in the archives here from people who have had active acne and have improved.

If it's hard to really believe and accept that, then do it for general health purposes and do whatever else you feel you have to do to address the acne.
Regarding diabetes- not all diabetes is inherited. Some is CAUSED by diet. And all diabetes is helped profoundly (if not cured) by controlling the diet. I sense from the last couple of lines of your post that it's important to you to know how this works, so I've put a link at the bottom of this post so you can read about how it's not just "relaxing away" your acne or diabetes…

In the end, it's really about how much is worth what to you. I don't know that I would have tried to do this "wellness" when it could have helped my skin. I was enjoying my lifestyle much too much to change. I'm trying now to learn to enjoy a NEW lifestyle. So, the choice is yours…would it hurt to try?

Thank you for letting me share some of MY OWN story. This is genuine, Kari, and it's definitely not about making money…

Good luck to you.




Re: Acne

Posted by
Aaron on August 23, 1999 at 23:08:31:

In Reply to: Acne posted by Kari on August 23, 1999 at 11:34:43:

You say you've had acne since elementary school? I too shared that problem, starting when I was 9. I am now 19, and it still bothers me. But less than a year ago I discoverd that the acne was not the disease but the symptom. This medical condition that I have been attempting to cure since March was the cause of many problems I suffered from. Some of the problems this condidtion causes are skin problems (incl. acne and eczema) and diabetes. I advise you to never take any medications given to you by a dermatologist, and to never take any antibiotics. Antibiotics for skin conditions are the number one cause for what I have.
The condition I have is called candidiasis or candida. It is an overgrowth of the Candida albicans yeast. This overgrowth (candidiasis) can cause a gastrointestinal condition called "leaky-gut syndrome." If you are still fighting this acne, check this out. IT could be the source to all problems you encounter.
Information about this is available in quantity on the Internet. But be careful, because some information can be contradictary. But there are a few doctors out there who specialize in it. Dr. Stoll is one who knows a lot about it. Don't try anything until you've read about it in more than one place. If you have any questions about this, feel free to email me at CasperKY17@aol.com with the subject heading "Candida" or "Leaky Gut." I will attmept to answer any questions about it that I can.
If you want to clean your face up temporarily, change your diet. Limit your refined sugars to as few per day as possible. Stop drinking caffeine and alcohol (if you do consume alcohol, that is). These are three of the worst things for someone battling acne. No ice cream, candy, chocolate, or soft drinks. I would also try to limit your fruits and fruit juices to a less excessive amout per day. I hope I have been of some help.

Aaron



Re: Acne (Testimonial. Archive under acne.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on August 24, 1999 at 15:28:27:

In Reply to: Re: Acne posted by Lisa on August 23, 1999 at 17:31:56:

Thanks, Lisa.

I am sure you can tell by my response to Kari that I really needed what you have so well described here in your note.

Now, it comes down to whether Kari can hear what we are offering her, doesn't it?

Namaste`

Walt



Re: Acne (Testimonial. Archive under acne.)

Posted by Joy on August 25, 1999 at 02:45:30:

In Reply to: Re: Acne (Testimonial. Archive under acne.) posted by Walt Stoll on August 24, 1999 at 15:28:27:

Thanks to everyone who writes in and shares their own frustrations, concerns, and experiences. This means a lot to me, since I have no one at present to relate to what I am going through. I've had acne since the age of 13, for the past eleven years of my life. I have had cystic acne for 6 years. I have taken various antibiotics orally and have used topical solutions such as: Retin-A, benzoyl peroxides, sulfer masks, glycolic acids and gels-- You name it, I've used it!! Well, every so often, the inflammation will subside, and I'll feel better about my appearance. I went on birth control even though I am not sexually active, and I don't want to be on it. It really is the only thing thus far that really seems to control my overactive hormones, which produce excessive amounts of oil. Since I started the pill 4 years ago, there have been portions of time which I would discontinue taking it to see if other methods would work, but my acne would just worsen. I am very concerned about the effects of prolonged use of the pill.
I still continue eating healthy, sleeping well, as well as, getting facials and other treatments on a regular basis. I have tried going off refined sugars, dairy products, and salty foods. I never drink coffee or alcohol. From my own personal experimentations with the diet, eating less salt and dairy foods seem to help somewhat.
There have been 2 different occasions in which I almost went on accutane, but I could not be convinced that it would work for me, that it won't affect any preganancies I will have in the future, even after being off of it for over a year. Am I more at risk of having children with birth abnormalities by continuing the pill over the next, say 5 years or so (considering the fact I may want to start having children and research has shown acne to start going away in individuals in their late 20s), or if I decide to go on Accutane? I'm so confused about this matter because I adore children and I don't want to do anything that could potentially harm my own. I have exhausted just about every other resource and will go on Accutane if the birth control pill will cause more damage to my body. If I am convinced that Accutane really works I will go on it, but I want to be as well informed as possible. The dermatologists are so eager to hand it out as a miracle drug, yet none so far have been able to sympathyze with what I've gone through. Whoever cares to answer my questions and be of any help, I will greatly appreciate your views and understanding. Thanks again!!



Re: Acne

Posted by Kari on August 25, 1999 at 08:59:21:

In Reply to: Re: Acne posted by Lisa on August 23, 1999 at 17:31:56:

Hi Lisa,

Thanks for your comments (especially the one in reply to Scary Mary. I replied to her too alhough I probably just should have ignored her). I'm not sure what to make of your comments, though. It's hard to know who to trust or believe with this ailment! If you still have acne at 40, how can you say this is working? Have you tried Accutane? I'm 26 and I've tried everything but Accutane (except for this "wellness" stuff). I already exercise. I've cut down on fatty foods just for general health reasons and have noticed no change for the better in my skin (it's gotten much worse, actually!) What's the next thing, sitting cross-legged and UMMMMMing for a half hour each day? I'll try what you ask me to try but I must admit, I'm scornful and cranky about this whole thing. Like you said, this makes acne my fault and I don't like that! I feel as though you are genuinely trying to help and I appreciate it. Thanks.



Re: Acne

Posted by
Lisa on August 25, 1999 at 10:35:22:

In Reply to: Re: Acne posted by Kari on August 25, 1999 at 08:59:21:

Kari, you really need to study this some more. It won't work if you don't let it, and a scornful, cranky attitude won't let it. My skin actually looks pretty good right now--overall MUCH better than before implementing these practices. You sound like somebody who needs "before" and "after" pictures. The irony of it is-that since this is about real true health, and not about just how your skin looks, it's tough to place such clinical measures on it (although you could do that) Really, you need to start reading EVERYTHING here. It would be impossible for you to improve your acne used "wellness" and NOT improve your whole body's health. I can't tell you haven't looked at what whole foods dieting is about, because it's not about "cutting" out fats..in fact, if you read the page I linked you to with my earlier post, you would see that one element is to include those essential fats that people with acne really need to INCLUDE in diet. Cut out sugar and all refined carbohydrates. And SR is not "UUUMMMING" READ, READ, READ about it. I'm glad you're willing to try it.

Kari, I wrote a lot to you because I saw myself at an earlier age--but you've got a battle with yourself ahead of you. No, as I said in my note, I never took accutane...and if you read other's posts here, you will see that accutane does not work permanently for everyone, so even if you decide to take it, you may have to deal with all these questions again in the future anyway...
Good luck to you. I wish you mental fortitude to deal with these challenges...



Re: Acne

Posted by Kari on August 25, 1999 at 10:45:49:

In Reply to: Re: Acne posted by Lisa on August 25, 1999 at 10:35:22:

Hi again Lisa,

I forgot that you didn't take accutane--sorry. I really don't want to take it because it is such a strong drug. I'll look thru the archives and try what you're saying. Thanks for the info. You, of all people, must know I have mental fortitude--having acne has helped me to beaufify my brain and has taught me how to treat others who aren't so beautiful on the outside. I've found that having this makes us work on the insides a lot more than people with clear skin! The reason I'm cranky and scornful is that I've tried SO many remedies (prescription and home) for this all to no avail! I haven't tried yours though.



Re: Acne (Testimonial. Archive under acne.)

Posted by
Lisa on August 25, 1999 at 11:02:12:

In Reply to: Re: Acne (Testimonial. Archive under acne.) posted by Joy on August 25, 1999 at 02:45:30:

Hi Joy! (my sister's middle name, too)

You will be so glad you found this website! The questions about accutane, birth control and hormone imbalance. etc. are addressed here...

But, more importantly, a way you can treat your acne as part of your overall health. I hope you like to read. I've been reading the archives and articles here for HOURS AND HOURS..

Here's a good place to start:



Re: Acne (Testimonial. Archive under acne.)

Posted by Kari on August 25, 1999 at 11:28:04:

In Reply to: Re: Acne (Testimonial. Archive under acne.) posted by Walt Stoll on August 24, 1999 at 15:28:27:

ok, I've been reading some things and have some questions:

1. How does consuming Omega oils help acne?

2. How does Margarite Acne pills help acne? I can't find any herbal stores around here that carry them.



kari-have patience in all things

Posted by Lisa on August 25, 1999 at 11:51:56:

In Reply to: Re: Acne (Testimonial. Archive under acne.) posted by Kari on August 25, 1999 at 11:28:04:

Kari, you're losing me...

IT'S NOT ABOUT ANY PILLS...

Keep reading...READ ABOUT THE SR, and then, take a stab at doing it before you formulate more questions...

You're not going to have this happen quickly, and when it does YOU'LL HAVE TO KEEP DOING IT FOREVER, so take it easy

Good luck to you and peace



Lisa! Why can't Dr. Stoll just answer the questions?

Posted by Kari on August 25, 1999 at 14:27:54:

In Reply to: kari-have patience in all things posted by Lisa on August 25, 1999 at 11:51:56:

He has "prescribed" these things to others and I just want to know how they work? What is wrong with that?



Re: Acne (Testimonial. Archive under acne.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on August 26, 1999 at 09:48:31:

In Reply to: Re: Acne (Testimonial. Archive under acne.) posted by Joy on August 25, 1999 at 02:45:30:

Hi, Joy.

One of the truisms of holistic medicine is that the thing the person needs to do the most is almost always the last thing they are willing to do.

It is interesting that, with your significant efforts at trying to help yourself, there is no mention of the scientific practice of Skilled Relaxation (easily the most important, single thing for acne people to do).

That is not to say that your other efforts are not worth while (see acne archives) but adding the SR will make what you are already doing work better.

Go to the glossary for any unfamiliar terms.

Walt



Re: Acne (Testimonial. Archive under acne.)

Posted by Bill on August 29, 1999 at 09:44:22:

In Reply to: Re: Acne (Testimonial. Archive under acne.) posted by Kari on August 25, 1999 at 11:28:04:

Hi Kari,

You ask how taking essential oils can help acne. If you glance through the acne archive main page you'll quickly come to one with the subject Acne (WHY ESSENTIAL OILS CAN HELP). The main page also points out that a regimen of "skilled relaxation" is the cornerstone of any successful so-called "natural" cure for acne, so skipping the SR and taking vitamins and essential oils probably won't be enough.

You ask why Dr Stoll doesn't "just answer the question". While I often disagree with his blunt style, I do know why he doesn't always "just answer the question". Two reasons, really.

First, he is not very computer savvy, so cannot post a complete answer from his files every time someone asks a common question - he has to key it in himself every time. He answers about 50-odd questions a day for no compensation except the joy of doing it, and believe me, there is not much joy in answering the same question over and over again for weeks and months on end. Much easier to just ask the person to read the archives and move on to a question that is not so common.

Second, Dr Stoll realizes that his approach to acne and other chronic illness requires a lot of time, effort and determination to see through. People who have the patience to do a little research on their own are more likely to give the approach a serious effort. People looking for a quick fix, like accutane, are probably wasting their time at this site.

Good luck,
Bill



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