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Sebaceous Cyst versus Acne Cyst

Posted by confused on October 18, 2000 at 00:03:33:

I'm trying to understand how to tell the difference. I get very large cysts on my face and neck sometimes (well, between pea sized and dime sized). I always thought this was strictly cystic acne. But since my acne is quite bad and recurrent, I am wondering if that is more characteristic of sebaceous cysts. I understand that either way I have to "deal with the causes".

But somebody please answer me these questions: 1) If I had a true sebaceous cyst, would it diminish in size on its own over time? 2) Would it run a course of being painful and red and inflamed and then slowly heal over the course of a month. 3) Would it sometimes end up coming to a head and bursting like an acne cyst?



Re: Sebaceous Cyst versus Acne Cyst (Archive in acne.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on October 19, 2000 at 08:45:16:

In Reply to: Sebaceous Cyst versus Acne Cyst posted by confused on October 18, 2000 at 00:03:33:

Hi, Confused.

These are identical.

Answers:
1. Sometimes.
2. Cysts ONLY get red and inflammed when they get infected and THAT complication is best treated by hot compresses.
3. Of course. Although that rarely happens when they do not get infected. They just keep getting larger.

Both the recurrent acne AND non-acne sebaceous cysts are helped by using the essential fatty acids. In the end, the acne ones respond more to wellness and the recurrent sebaceous cysts (non-acne) respond more to the fatty acids.

Walt



Re: Sebaceous Cyst versus Acne Cyst (Archive in acne.)

Posted by confused on October 19, 2000 at 09:21:25:

In Reply to: Re: Sebaceous Cyst versus Acne Cyst (Archive in acne.) posted by Walt Stoll on October 19, 2000 at 08:45:16:

Thanks! But I'm still not real clear on this. You say they are identical, but when I ask if a sebaceous cyst would diminish in size over time you said "sometimes". An acne cyst always diminishes and runs its course right? At least mine always do. They never stay forever. I just keep getting more and more.

If you say cysts (both kinds I assume) ONLY get red and inflamed when they get infected, then I can only draw the conclusion that my face is infected every single day. Every new acne lesion/cyst I get BEGINS by being inflamed, red, and painful, and goes from there to run a course of improvement over time (usually a week to a month). The tenderness disappears before all the swelling does.

Doesn't everyone who has acne have pain associated with the acne? Isn't that basically what acne is? (Have you ever had significant acne? It is physically painful, not just emotionally painful).

I have tried the hot compresses. When you have an average of 20 lesions at any given time, and you have to do them for 5 minutes each, that means you never leave the bathroom except to make trips to the microwave to re-heat your water. 2 weeks ago, I got some very large, very painful cysts and I concentrated the hot compresses on them only and ignored the rest. After about 3 days there was some improvement in the pain but not the swelling. It does seem to help bring them to a head whereas they otherwise would not have. But I have not experienced tremendous relief from hot compresses. And my cysts are so numerous as to make it an almost impossible feat to do regularly.

On question number 3, cysts only come to a head when they get infected? I must be one big infection. I'd say about 60% of my cysts eventually come to a head and drain. The rest just eventually shrink away. I've been using the EFA's...

Am I a rare candidate for a course of antibiotics to give me relief from all this active ongoing infection (it IS painful) WHILE I continue to do SR and wait for the results? I have used antibiotics in the past, just 1 week's worth gives me over 50% clearing and in another week's worth I am clear. The results last several months. I know it isn't the healthiest way to get clear, but it is safer than accutane. I know I could get accutane if I requested it. I have not done the antibiotics for YEARS now, because I've been trying to solve it another way. But this is getting too much to handle emotionally to have such bad acne at my age and no relief in sight. I swear there has to be a solution. Nobody who has never had significant acne can know what it feels like to live with this every single day.



Re: Sebaceous Cyst versus Acne Cyst (Archive in acne.) - more for Walt

Posted by confused on October 19, 2000 at 18:59:32:

In Reply to: Re: Sebaceous Cyst versus Acne Cyst (Archive in acne.) posted by confused on October 19, 2000 at 09:21:25:

Hi, again.

I went to the doc today, because my face HURTS from the acne, and I'm at the end of my rope for some relief. She said I'm all infected (I agree!) and I received a course of antibiotics. I haven't been on antibiotics in probably over 3 years, so I don't mind taking them this time. I will be taking tons of acidophilus right along with it. She said I'm a candidate for accutane, but I told her no.

When I went to pick up my prescription, the pharmacy tech lady commented to me to try Proactiv. I must be looking pretty bad for her to get up the courage to mention my acne like that. Maybe I'll try that too, again with the knowledge that it's not a cure. Gotta get busy with SR. Maybe if I set a goal to do it 4 times per day, I will get in 2.

P.S ~ You might say I'm a "regular" on this board.



Re: Proactiv for confused

Posted by
June on October 19, 2000 at 19:35:15:

In Reply to: Re: Sebaceous Cyst versus Acne Cyst (Archive in acne.) - more for Walt posted by confused on October 19, 2000 at 18:59:32:

Hi, confused

Did you ever read any of the old posts pro & con Proactiv? It seems to have helped some people (hopefully they were learning their SR while getting that temporary relief). Anyway, I've linked some of them below if you want to read their stories.

June



Re: Sebaceous Cyst versus Acne Cyst (Archive in acne.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on October 20, 2000 at 11:00:56:

In Reply to: Re: Sebaceous Cyst versus Acne Cyst (Archive in acne.) posted by confused on October 19, 2000 at 09:21:25:

Hi, Confused.

The cysts are identical but their causes are only similar. This is why they respond differently to different approaches.

REMEMBER! The hot compress protocol works faster and more reliably than any antibiotic when there is infection.

Walt



Re: Sebaceous Cyst versus Acne Cyst (Archive in acne.) - more for Walt

Posted by Terri-Lynn on October 20, 2000 at 12:30:57:

In Reply to: Re: Sebaceous Cyst versus Acne Cyst (Archive in acne.) - more for Walt posted by confused on October 19, 2000 at 18:59:32:

Try getting aq long distant health reading by myself or Virgil; We take a look at what you are eating, breathing,thinking and drinking and what goes on your skin, then the elf test points you at leat in the right direction; You might have to make some changes in what you are drinking however or eating ect; Call our Well Being ranch at 1-800-800-0432 if interested in change;



So how does I do hot compresses when there are so many cysts?

Posted by still confused and more confused on October 20, 2000 at 14:11:41:

In Reply to: Re: Sebaceous Cyst versus Acne Cyst (Archive in acne.) posted by Walt Stoll on October 20, 2000 at 11:00:56:

If you have over 10 cysts on your face at any one time, how can you do hot compresses for all of them and still have time to do anything else? I can only do 2 at a time (only have 2 hands), and I usually have about 15 to do. At 5 minutes for each cyst, and repeated every hour, well...

And if my cysts are always very painful, red, and swollen, as soon as they appear that means they are already infected right? They come in that way, they do not get that way days after they appear. They always start out infected it seems!

I don't know if you saw my other post, but I refused accutane yesterday, but I accepted antibiotics. Doctor said my face is infected and I agree. It hurts!

I thought sebaceous cysts stayed large until they were surgically removed. I didn't know they can seemingly disappear without surgery.

still confused.



Re: Sebaceous Cyst versus Acne Cyst (Archive in acne.) - more for Walt

Posted by Walt Stoll on October 21, 2000 at 08:31:24:

In Reply to: Re: Sebaceous Cyst versus Acne Cyst (Archive in acne.) - more for Walt posted by Terri-Lynn on October 20, 2000 at 12:30:57:

Thanks, again, Terri-Lynn.

For all those who are interested in help: THIS IS THE REAL THING!

Namaste`

Walt



Re: So how do I do hot compresses when there are so many cysts? (Archive in Acne.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on October 21, 2000 at 08:51:39:

In Reply to: So how does I do hot compresses when there are so many cysts? posted by still confused and more confused on October 20, 2000 at 14:11:41:

Hi, Still Confused.

This gives you a good opportunity to test the effect of the hot compresses. Do the compresses on one side of your face and compare the effects of antibiotics WITH compresses and one side of antibiotics without compresses. OR just forget the antibiotics and do one side of your face with compresses and one side without. You will soon learn that the MOST effective single thing IS the compresses.

THEN, you will figure out how to do your whole face.

In the long run, you STILL have to get rid of your causes which means SR, exercise and a whole foods diet. The essential fatty acids will help too.

The hot compresses ONLY take care of the infections of the cysts.

Walt



To Terri-Lynn and Walt - about the Well-Being Ranch

Posted by kmd on October 21, 2000 at 12:39:54:

In Reply to: Re: Sebaceous Cyst versus Acne Cyst (Archive in acne.) - more for Walt posted by Walt Stoll on October 21, 2000 at 08:31:24:

Walt and Terri-Lynn,

Walt, can you tell me what your experience is with this, that you recommend it so highly?

Terri-Lynn, what is your training and how did you come to provide this service? And what is the fee? How is your success rate for people with acne?

Thanks...




Re: To Terri-Lynn and Walt - about the Well-Being Ranch

Posted by Terri-Lynn on October 21, 2000 at 14:57:25:

In Reply to: To Terri-Lynn and Walt - about the Well-Being Ranch posted by kmd on October 21, 2000 at 12:39:54:

In response to education,i'm very intuitive and i'm a Ecological Kinesiologist and worked at Dr. Stoll's clinic in Kentucky for several years; I've also study with nutritionsit all over the world and a group of us travel all over lecturing on body, mind and spirit and the holistic approch; We have a wellness ranch where we have booked in many people and detoxed them from everything you can imaqine; I'm now at the ranch in Tx. and you can reach me a 1-800-800-0432; Normally i work and live in Ft. Pierce Fl., although i spend a great deal of time on the road working with people in there homes and in large groups speaking to them about alternative ways to a happyier life; We have an ELF test that would help you find out what is going on and it will be for your particular system; It is done in person or long distant-called a Ecological Life Function Test; We have a web. page perhaps you would like to read it-WWW.wellbeingranch.org to find out more; Acne-yes we have had a lot of result, you clean the body and the skin refelcts it on the outside; Last year i was on the front page of our local newspaer for helping a girl with a bad acne problem, her's i found was enviromental, she was already working on a yeast free diet, but we find tuned that for her and what we found was she needed to clean her liver some with herbs and buy air filters and cut back on the amount she was working in toxic chemicals; She did all the recomedations and her problem totally cleared; The naturaql route takes more time on your part and a different life style sometimes and just a pill won't solve it; Give us a call and we can talk; Wellness consciousness is the first key to have! Knowing there is always a way to wellness and there IS!



Re: To Terri-Lynn and Walt - about the Well-Being Ranch

Posted by kmd on October 21, 2000 at 22:37:10:

In Reply to: Re: To Terri-Lynn and Walt - about the Well-Being Ranch posted by Terri-Lynn on October 21, 2000 at 14:57:25:

Thanks, Terri-Lynn!

That sounds wonderful. When I free up some time, I would love to investigate these avenues. Let me know if you plan to come to AZ!



Re: To Terri-Lynn and Walt - about the Well-Being Ranch

Posted by
Terri=Lynn on October 22, 2000 at 18:51:44:

In Reply to: Re: To Terri-Lynn and Walt - about the Well-Being Ranch posted by kmd on October 21, 2000 at 22:37:10:

Thanks, Ariz. WELL i do get around and my family live in Ariz. My older brother in Sadona and one in Yuma, and one in Phx., that is where i spend the most time when out that way;My doctor i went to is there still practicing Holistic Medicine-Gladies McGarey; Also Walt was and is one of the finest in his field; I\m still in tX. AT OUR WELLNESS RANCH seeing a few folks and soon to head back to Florida where i live; Next lecture is in Inverness Fl. then off to Maui for awhile in Nov. Dec. to work with people and give workshops.Write me on e mail;



Re: To Terri-Lynn and Walt - about the Well-Being Ranch (Archive in wellness.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on October 23, 2000 at 12:56:44:

In Reply to: Re: To Terri-Lynn and Walt - about the Well-Being Ranch posted by Terri=Lynn on October 22, 2000 at 18:51:44:

Thanks, Terri-Lynn.

Anyone who takes her up on this will not be sorry! I hope participants will share their experiences of healing with Terri-Lynn.

Namaste`

Walt



Re: Proactiv for confused

Posted by Trudy on October 25, 2000 at 10:56:28:

In Reply to: Re: Proactiv for confused posted by June on October 19, 2000 at 19:35:15:

What do you mean the "old posts pro and con Proactiv"? I tried your link and it has nothing to do with the product Proactiv , which does have several of their own sites if you just type Proactiv on your web search bar.
Proactiv is a facial cleansing product, sold on mostly on infomercials I think, sponsored by Judith Light, and available at a toll free number, also available from the web site. It was developed by two women dermatologists, Rodan and Fields. It is composed of something I have never been able to find in other products on the shelf and it really does make an incredable difference in the overall appearance of your skin. I used the product for about 8 months or so then stopped (I pay Canadian and it gets kind of pricey). I have recently reordered it to hopefully get my skin under some kind of control. My acne and overall complexion have been getting progressively worse over the past year or so and I am just about at the point that where I am willing to use Accutane again. I took it back in late 1993/early 1994 with major improvement in the really nasty type of acne, but have been getting gradually worse over some time. Anyway, check out the Proactiv Solutions site. Can't hurt to try it.



Re: Proactiv for confused

Posted by Jennifer on October 25, 2000 at 11:46:00:

In Reply to: Re: Proactiv for confused posted by Trudy on October 25, 2000 at 10:56:28:

I have to agree that Proactiv is an excellent product. I've been using it for the past month and have seen an amazing improvement in my skin.

Dr. Stoll is right....using it does not solve the underlying problem, but it can at least help you get it under control while you work on the underlying causes.




Re: Proactiv for confused

Posted by
June on October 25, 2000 at 13:59:05:

In Reply to: Re: Proactiv for confused posted by Trudy on October 25, 2000 at 10:56:28:

Yes, Proactiv was discussed by some past participants there. I will try to visit the Proactiv site and link it to the board sometime. I hope it works for you this time. I know Accutane is kind of pricey too.



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