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Posted by A on November 10, 2000 at 11:42:20:

Dear Doctor,

I would like to know why I have white bumpt all around my mouth and my chin. They are filled with white substance. They are not inflamed, but are sort of like permanent fixtures and do not go away. I don't have a clue as to whether they are related to my acne (I have acne problem as well, and pilonidal cysts on my buttocks). Please help me to get rid of them, my face looks and feels bumpy and I do not want to take any antibiotics or udergo a surgery. I have tried going to a dermatologist and used Differin to help with acne for about a year, but it didn't do much either for my acne or these ugly bumps on my chin and around the mouth. Please help me if you can.



Re: acne cysts - cholesterol deposits??

Posted by kmd on November 10, 2000 at 12:19:10:

In Reply to: acne cysts? posted by A on November 10, 2000 at 11:42:20:

I think I know what you are referring to. I have some of these on my chin too, they are very different from the acne as they don't ever flare up, they aren't red, they're not painful, they don't come to a head or drain, and they are permanently there (it seems). I went to a doc once and she said something about them being cholesterol deposits I think (was quite awhile ago). She said they are genetic and asked if anyone else in my family had them and I recalled that yes, my dad has LOTS of them not just on his face.

My chin always feels slightly itchy, I think it's due to these things. I'm not sure, but I assume this must be similar but on a smaller scale to lipomas. Anybody have any ideas? It makes sense that they are also related to the faulty fatty metabolism that people with acne have. Actually, I have some on my back and chest area where I used to have acne. They must, then, have something to do with the sebaceous glands. Walt?? Maybe there's nothing to be done with them but perhaps we can prevent getting more of them by doing the wellness (SR, etc.) and taking EFA's.

One day, when I've had no more acne for a whole year, I'm going to pay a visit to a plastic surgeon and see what can be done about these little bumps on my chin, and any scarring from all the acne I've had. I've seen people much worse off than I am, and at this point I tend to be happy when I'm not having active painful breakouts of acne and I can just put on some foundation makeup to even out my skin and I think I look "normal" or even good. Don't let these problems affect your self-esteem, I'm sure underneath the bumps is a pretty face so smile! Work on improving your health through wellness and so much about your life will get better.



Re: acne cysts? (not)

Posted by Walt Stoll on November 12, 2000 at 08:45:01:

In Reply to: acne cysts? posted by A on November 10, 2000 at 11:42:20:

Hi, A.

Have you read the archives about perioral dermatitis and perleche?

Walt



Re: acne cysts? (not) -- To Walt

Posted by kmd on November 12, 2000 at 11:22:27:

In Reply to: Re: acne cysts? (not) posted by Walt Stoll on November 12, 2000 at 08:45:01:

Hi Walt,

I just visited the archive you mentioned, for perioral dermatitis and perleche. From A's description, I don't think that could be it. I did not get that this is a rash or that it is red, and what she described sounded like what I also have on my chin (see my note to her). She said they are like permanent fixtures, which to me means they bumps she has stay the same, same ones in the same places. That's what my bumps are like. Some sort of fatty deposits? They look more like small blisters, and are skin colored (not red, not painful, not changing over years and years). Hopefully she'll come back and answer these questions.



Re: acne cysts? (not) -- To Walt

Posted by Walt Stoll on November 14, 2000 at 08:19:27:

In Reply to: Re: acne cysts? (not) -- To Walt posted by kmd on November 12, 2000 at 11:22:27:

Hi, kmd.

The distribution is more important than the appearance for this diagnosis. NOTHING on the skin (except a scar) is "permanent" since the skin replaces itself every 4 weeks. Whatever is causing this has to be continuously recreating it as the skin grows.

Making sense?

I have no idea what this really is. The suggestions were just that--suggestions. Apparently no one else has been able to make a curative diagnosis even though they have been able to closely examine the lesions. Therefore, any reasonable diagnosis, that no one else has thought of, is worth while exploring.


Namaste`

Walt



Re: acne cysts? (not) -- Even more confused - To Walt

Posted by kmd on November 14, 2000 at 08:58:46:

In Reply to: Re: acne cysts? (not) -- To Walt posted by Walt Stoll on November 14, 2000 at 08:19:27:

Hi Walt,

You wrote: "NOTHING on the skin (except a scar) is "permanent" since the skin replaces itself every 4 weeks. Whatever is causing this has to be continuously recreating it as the skin grows."

I understand what you are getting at, but I'm not sure if this rule applies here. The ones I have (fatty bumps?) are not ON the skin of the chin but UNDER it. They cause a bubble, of sorts, appearance on the skin. If they are some sort of fatty or cholesterol deposits, or mini lipomas, they would be permanent unless surgically removed, wouldn't they? Even a sebaceous cyst is permanent unless removed, right?

These are NOT scars, they are some sort of substance under the skin creating a lump. Not a hard lump, but a small soft blister-looking lump (several of them). I could look in a mirror today and draw a diagram of their placement, and do the same thing in 3 months, and they will all be there still in the same place and still the same size, unchanged.

Please read my note in this thread about the doc telling me these things are hereditary, and that my dad has the same thing. Will be interested to know any further thoughts you have.

Thanks~



Re: acne cysts? (not) -- Even more confused - To Walt (Archive in sebaceous cysts.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on November 16, 2000 at 08:38:11:

In Reply to: Re: acne cysts? (not) -- Even more confused - To Walt posted by kmd on November 14, 2000 at 08:58:46:

Hi, kmd.

First of all, you must have a genetic propensity for you to have the same condition as your father. I would guess that you got yours earlier in life than he did (OR that it is worse).

EVERY TIME a gland is involved, there is some damage to the duct and that is permanent (scarring). If the duct gets enough damage only surgical removal will help but that does not happen all at once in most cases.

If the causes are known, AND the person is willing to do whatever reverses those causes, within 4 weeks the skin would be normal. Most of the causes are NOT yet known and so we are reduced to dealing with those we DO know and hoping that the bodymind will do the rest. Ask me again in 100 years. The bodymind will STILL have to do most of the work but things will work better since then we will know better about the myriad of contributing causes.

All of the "permanent" lesions you are describing will be permanent unless you have surgical removal BECAUSE of the scarring of the ducts that go to those glands. Until we can reconstruct normal ducts (microscopic) to these glands, the actual gland has to be removed since it will continue making sebum. The sebum just cannot get out.

So, you are about to ask: Why then do they not continue to get larger forever?

The answer is that as they get larger the pressure inside the gland finally gets so great that it compresses the delicate little cells that make the sebum until they are no longer producing. Different areas of the body can stand more and less pressure and so sebaceous cysts tend to be different sizes in different parts of the body.

Most other lumps (like lipomas) are reversable by dealing with the most important causes (for lipomas, essential oils). Once they are there most will not go away because there must be other factors present by then. That is why avoiding more is easier that getting rid of established ones.

A good example is the fibrocystic lumps in breasts that are gone ( in a few months without surgery) in 95% of cases that deal with the causes we already know about (see the chapter in my book.

Hope this helps.

Namaste`

Walt



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