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What my Dermatologist said...Doc Stoll and Rich1 what do you think about this?

Posted by Shannon on March 18, 2001 at 02:33:20:

I Feel like I have learned alot from this site, and for the first time I asked my Dermo a lot of questions about why I have acne, and of course hee completely disagreed wit Doc Stoll. He said that the reason why accutane did not work for me is b/c it only shrink and did not kill my oil glands and that I need a 2nd course of accutane to kill all the oil glands in my face. He said that acne has nothing to do with hormones and that even if my hormones were out of balance it wouldn't matter as long as I have the over active oil glands. What do you think. He told me that testing my hormones would be a waste of money, and that I should just go back on accutane.



Re: What my Dermatologist said...Doc Stoll and Rich1 what do you think about this?

Posted by kmd on March 18, 2001 at 12:04:54:

In Reply to: What my Dermatologist said...Doc Stoll and Rich1 what do you think about this? posted by Shannon on March 18, 2001 at 02:33:20:

I think he's giving you bad advice. In the end it's up to you, but you know the risks of accutane and why would you want to "kill" all your oil glands anyway, they will be "killed" all over your body not just your face. It doesn't make sense that acne is only a skin problem, or for him to basically imply that it has nothing whatsoever to do with anything else underlying that is going on in your body. The only thing he said that I agree with is that it would be a waste of money to test your hormones, because if it were me I would just let the wellness take its time to correct any imbalances that were there rather than taking hormones to artificially correct anything. Refresh my memory on your B5 experience?



my b-5 experience

Posted by Shannon on March 18, 2001 at 13:54:27:

In Reply to: Re: What my Dermatologist said...Doc Stoll and Rich1 what do you think about this? posted by kmd on March 18, 2001 at 12:04:54:

I have not had improvement with B5--I actually think that it made my skin worse. I stopped taking it--I could sit and feel sorry for myself that it seems to be working for everyone but me, but what would that do. I really don't know what to do at this point. I know how bad accutane is, but I think I might go on it again and practice wellness at the same time.



Re: my b-5 experience

Posted by kmd on March 18, 2001 at 14:09:56:

In Reply to: my b-5 experience posted by Shannon on March 18, 2001 at 13:54:27:

What I meant was, what brand did you take, and what dosage, and for how long...

I already knew that you didn't have any luck with it :o)



sounds like.......

Posted by LT on March 18, 2001 at 14:15:37:

In Reply to: What my Dermatologist said...Doc Stoll and Rich1 what do you think about this? posted by Shannon on March 18, 2001 at 02:33:20:

this doc is pretty narrow minded. Of course acne has do to with hormones...why is it that so much acne is related to the monthly cycle...duh? It may be true that testing the hormones etc. isn't what you want to do (I haven't a clue on that one), but to make that statement about the hormones is either showing the doctor's arrogance or ignorance -- I'll let you pick the right one :-)

I really don't have any worthwhile advice for you, just ever amazed at these doctors of ours......



Re: sounds like.......

Posted by WEB Debois on March 18, 2001 at 15:08:10:

In Reply to: sounds like....... posted by LT on March 18, 2001 at 14:15:37:

I think what the doctor probably meant is that EVERYONE has these hormones, yet only some people have acne. Therefore, what causes Shannon to have acne whereas others do not isn't hormones. No one is exactly sure why some people have acne and others do not.

Shannon, there are a few things you should think about, in my opinion:

On the plus side of accutane, you KNOW it's going to work, at least for a short duration. How long did it work for you the first time you took it? I don't know why Dr. Stoll says that acne will always come back after accutane treatment, since there are a ton of people who have had permanent success with accutane. Keep in mind that for every testimonial about wellness, there are probably a hundred testimonials about accutane. Added to this is the fact that most people would probably be afraid to admit that their acne came back after they thought they were successful with Dr. Stoll's program, for fear of losing face and looking stupid.

On the negative side, you also KNOW you're going to have the common side effects(or at least be pretty sure you'll have them). Dry skin, chapped lips, etc. You have already done accutane before, so you know how that works. There is also the fear that accutane causes permanent side effects. So far there is absolutely no PROOF that it does, and that would be good enough evidence for me. But, don't forget, if anything does happen to you, you're always going to have that nagging suspicion that it was accutane that triggered your illness(which is probably how most of these claims get started). There's also the fear of suicide. There hasn't been any proof of this, either, but the FDA DID require a while ago that a warning about depression/suicide be placed on the accutane packaging. They must at least think that it's a possibility that suicide and accutane could be linked.



Re: my b-5 experience

Posted by Shannon on March 18, 2001 at 18:37:43:

In Reply to: Re: my b-5 experience posted by kmd on March 18, 2001 at 14:09:56:

Oh sorry. I was taking NOW brand--I think that Doc Stoll takes there brand of EFA's--so my guess is taht it is good brand. I was taking b/w 8-10 gms a day.



Re: my b-5 experience

Posted by kmd on March 18, 2001 at 21:28:36:

In Reply to: Re: my b-5 experience posted by Shannon on March 18, 2001 at 18:37:43:

Hi, I don't know if it makes a difference, but the VitaminShoppe brand is what I'm using and it works well for me. It probably wasn't the brand causing the problem anyway.

How long did you take your B5 before quitting? Did you try at least 6 weeks or so?



Re: sounds like.......

Posted by jake on March 18, 2001 at 22:25:09:

In Reply to: Re: sounds like....... posted by WEB Debois on March 18, 2001 at 15:08:10:

dr stoll doesnt say that after accutane acne will always come back. Ive read in his past archives that he says that "its too bad that accutane -does- work". i think that what hes trying to say is that in the long run it is harmful to your body. It is a fact that only 25% of accutane patients result in acne coming back. I've used accutane a long time ago and it hasnt come back.

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Re: What my Dermatologist said...Doc Stoll and Rich1 what do you think about this?

Posted by Rich 1 on March 19, 2001 at 00:11:49:

In Reply to: What my Dermatologist said...Doc Stoll and Rich1 what do you think about this? posted by Shannon on March 18, 2001 at 02:33:20:

I think he is only PARTLY right. Hormones DO play a role in acne. I have seen it myself. You have 2 courses of action here that I can see. You either go on the 2nd course of accutane and "hope for the best" or your get your hormones tested and see what is going on. You can also do both. Acne is not caused by a deficiency of accutane but your derm. wouldn't understand that.

Rich



Also...........

Posted by Rich on March 19, 2001 at 00:13:00:

In Reply to: Re: What my Dermatologist said...Doc Stoll and Rich1 what do you think about this? posted by Rich 1 on March 19, 2001 at 00:11:49:

why do teenagers often get bad cases of acne? You guessed it!! Raging hormones!!!

Rich

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have to disagree.......

Posted by LT on March 19, 2001 at 05:51:19:

In Reply to: Re: sounds like....... posted by WEB Debois on March 18, 2001 at 15:08:10:

just because everyone has these hormones doesn't mean it's not the cause. Logically, it could be a malfunction in the regulation of the hormones. To rule that out as a possibility would be wrong.

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Re: my b-5 experience

Posted by R. on March 19, 2001 at 15:28:30:

In Reply to: Re: my b-5 experience posted by kmd on March 18, 2001 at 21:28:36:

The Now brand reduced oiliness of my skin first. I even got dry skin. I had a lot less new breakouts too. Then it seemed to stop being effective. Then it started again. Maybe that brand's quality is not consistent? Nevetheless, since you had consistent success with the VitaminShoppe brand, I am switching to it. I recieved three bottles today, so I will see how it goes.

I am not completely sure what worked in the beginning. I was taking large doses of vit. A, large doses of vit. C with biovlavonoids, Health from the Sun's Total EFA's, fish oil and increased protein in my diet. Then I ran out of that particular EFA product and got a different one with a different fatty acid proportion. I also reduced vit. A intake. There are too many variable to attribute changes in my complexion to a single thing.

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Re: sounds like.......

Posted by R. on March 20, 2001 at 02:50:42:

In Reply to: Re: sounds like....... posted by WEB Debois on March 18, 2001 at 15:08:10:

I think what the doctor probably meant is that EVERYONE has these hormones, yet only some people have acne. Therefore, what causes Shannon to have acne whereas others do not isn't hormones.

If that is what the doc meant, then he is the dumbest doc I've ever heard of. That is like saying that everyone has genes, yet, everybody doesn't look the same, and therefore, genes have nothing to do with appearance.

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Re: What my Dermatologist said...Doc Stoll and Rich1 what do you think about this? (Archive in acne.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on March 20, 2001 at 07:35:42:

In Reply to: What my Dermatologist said...Doc Stoll and Rich1 what do you think about this? posted by Shannon on March 18, 2001 at 02:33:20:

Hi, Shannon.

I agree that "testing your hormones" would be a waste of money since the state of the art is still far from that stage. Hans Selye, MD, did all the work 40 years ago but the profession ignored his work until very recently.

Since when did ANYONE say that Accutane destroyed the sebaceous glands from which acne forms??? If it did, how could it possibly be confined to the facial glands? Remember that the under arm glands and the groin glands are all sebaceous glands and that the sexual pheromes are all produced by these glands. Total destruction of all the sebaceous glands would be a crippling event.

How does your "dermatolgist" explain why acne is most common during the most radical change in human hormone balance that happens in our lives??? Silly!

"Never utter these words: 'I do not know this, therefore it is false. 'One must study to know; know to understand and understand to judge." (Apothegm of Narada)

Until the allopathic monopoly is destroyed, thus forcing the current conventional docs to actually think, this is what you will get.

Go to the search engine or glossary for the "Tolstoy Effect".

Remember that one is more likely to listen to advice that costs them money--whether or not it may be true!

Hope this helps.

Walt


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