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accutane's benefits vs. depression

Posted by wanda on April 02, 2001 at 08:58:47:

Hello: I hope anyone suffering from severe acne will try accutane. can it cause depression? I think it is more likely to relieve depression. Two of my daughters took accutane as teens. Before they took it for severe cystic acne, both were very depressed. the acne was traumatic. The course of treatment was 5 1/2 months; but older daughter has been clear for 4 years and younger daughter for 2. Our doctor recommended taking St. John's Wort daily, plus 800 mg. of vitamin E. My older daughter did that and it worked. My younger daughter just took the vitamin E. Those things countered side effects without mitigating the effectiveness of the accutane. Accutane, properly taken and monitored, is a wonder drug for severe acne. People should not be scared off.



Re: accutane's benefits vs. depression

Posted by kmd on April 02, 2001 at 10:01:58:

In Reply to: accutane's benefits vs. depression posted by wanda on April 02, 2001 at 08:58:47:

Wanda, you obviously had good results with Accutane with both your daughters, and minimal problems. I'm happy for your family's success however I'm very concerned that you would generalize this experience to others. Remember that every body (system) is different and so will react differently to ANY drug. SOME people are driven to suicide by Accutane. Just because such things were not a part of your experience does not mean that it doesn't happen to many others. Do you really think we are all exactly the same? Take care...



Re: accutane's benefits vs. depression

Posted by WEB Debois on April 02, 2001 at 11:49:51:

In Reply to: Re: accutane's benefits vs. depression posted by kmd on April 02, 2001 at 10:01:58:

SOME people are driven to suicide by Accutane.
That's a pretty general statement itself. Not one suicide has been proven to be linked with Accutane use.



Re: accutane's benefits vs. depression

Posted by R. on April 02, 2001 at 14:39:18:

In Reply to: Re: accutane's benefits vs. depression posted by WEB Debois on April 02, 2001 at 11:49:51:

No, that's not a general statement, WEB Debois. Did you notice the word "some" in the sentence? Without that word the statement would have been general.

As far as proof is concerned, here's definition of proof: "The evidence or argument that compels the mind to accept an assertion as true." In other words, proof is whatever is presented that makes one believe something is (un)true. What can be a proof for one, may be nothing for another. And that can change with time. There is no absolute proof. When somebody, with no history of depression, starts taking Accutane (while nothing else seems to change) and then develops depression, this indicates to some that there may be a link between Accutane and depression. Especially, if it happens to many people.

Actually, it's not unthinkable that Accutane can cause mental disorders or any other disorders for that matter. If it can disrupt liver's function, and liver plays a huge role in metabolism, any and every system of the organism can be affected.



Re: accutane's benefits vs. depression

Posted by kmd on April 02, 2001 at 18:59:21:

In Reply to: Re: accutane's benefits vs. depression posted by R. on April 02, 2001 at 14:39:18:

Thanks R. I know I've read many accounts of the link between accutane and depression/suicide, but since I don't have an easy way to recall them (and not the time for researching), I will leave it up to WEB Dubois to do the research. S/he could even do an Internet search on Accutane and find a huge amount of info supporting the link.

"Proof" in the way some folks demand it is not an easy thing to come by. It's like the link between vaccinations and autism. "There is no scientific proof... blah blah blah..." But the connection is there, and it seems awfully clear to me.

Ah well :o)



What

Posted by WEB Debois on April 02, 2001 at 20:44:49:

In Reply to: Re: accutane's benefits vs. depression posted by kmd on April 02, 2001 at 18:59:21:

Why is it my responsibility to do the research? You made the bold claim that accutane can cause suicide, and now it's my responsibility to prove you wrong? Kmd I think you need to think twice before you believe everything that you hear.

You said this: "Proof" in the way some folks demand it is not an easy thing to come by. It's like the link between vaccinations and autism. "There is no scientific proof... blah blah blah..." But the connection is there, and it seems awfully clear to me.
Don't you understand that this is the kind of thinking that leads to almost all the widely believed misconceptions out there? "Well, I've heard it several times before, so it must be true." Even worse, "Some people committed suicide while on accutane, obviously accutane is the cause." If you had taken accutane some time in your life, I can almost GUARANTEE you that you would be blaming some of your health problems on it. That is why the bold claims are left up to the actual scientists to make.




Re: accutane's benefits vs. depression

Posted by Vince F on April 03, 2001 at 01:03:57:

In Reply to: Re: accutane's benefits vs. depression posted by R. on April 02, 2001 at 14:39:18:

R,

back to the liver. There are some problems that can cause
psychosis I believe. Can't remember details but the liver
malfunctioning or damaged can cause it. I Think it is a
toxic state that affects the brain. Probably called,
Heptatic physocis. I felt it might have been happening to
me early in my injury and a fairly minor annoyance would
make pressure increase in my head and i would go into a rage
and out of control. It felt like when someone got mad in a
cartoon and the pressure would rise in their bodied and they
would blow their top.

VF

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Re: What

Posted by kmd on April 03, 2001 at 10:58:28:

In Reply to: What posted by WEB Debois on April 02, 2001 at 20:44:49:

I respect your opinion, and I don't wish to argue with you. I just don't have the time/energy to try to find all the back-up, which is why I basically invited you to do the research. I don't feel I spoke irresponsibly, I'm trying to point out a connection with accutane/depression/suicide that seems more probable than not to me and to many others.

I agree with you about how people who take accutane may well tend to blame their health problems on the drug, when it may not be the cause. But that does not discount the whole ball of wax. You can research or not, I'm not on a crusade here.

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Re: accutane's benefits vs. depression

Posted by susan on April 04, 2001 at 08:58:33:

In Reply to: accutane's benefits vs. depression posted by wanda on April 02, 2001 at 08:58:47:

Well you and your daughters are lucky. I took accutane as an adult...early 30's. I had VERY LITTLE acne, but was tired of taking actibiotics for so long, so thought i'd just cure it for good. I did. My complexion has remained good (i get complements on it) for 10 years. BUT while taking acutane, BEFORE i had EVER heard of the depression link, i became EXTREMELY depressed. HAs to stop taking it the last month. I also had SEVERE pain in my lower back. So, there you have it. A testimonial from a real person. IT CAUSED DEPRESSION and pain. I was one of the 1st....and it was documented in their journals.



Re: accutane's benefits vs. depression (Archive in acne.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on April 04, 2001 at 09:48:11:

In Reply to: accutane's benefits vs. depression posted by wanda on April 02, 2001 at 08:58:47:

Wanda,

The WORST thing accutane can do for any person is if it "works". That means that one has successfully put black tape ofer the warning lights on the dashboard of their bodymind. Does ANYONE think that accutane does anything about the underlying causes??

Walt



Re: accutane's benefits vs. depression (Archive in acne.)

Posted by
Jan on April 04, 2001 at 14:31:51:

In Reply to: Re: accutane's benefits vs. depression (Archive in acne.) posted by Walt Stoll on April 04, 2001 at 09:48:11:

Three cheers for that excellent answer!!! They need to address the cause of the acne just like we should do for any disease and not put a cover up on it.

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Re: accutane's benefits vs. depression

Posted by JEM on May 11, 2001 at 23:43:48:

In Reply to: Re: accutane's benefits vs. depression posted by susan on April 04, 2001 at 08:58:33:

I am 32 now. I took my first round of Accutane when I was 21 and had terrible lower back pain during the whole round of treatment. Within a week of getting off the drug, my back pain was gone.

I didn't realize it at the time, but the medicine also did affect my mental status. Within about a month of treatment, I started to feel sad and went to see a counselor.

Since then, I have been prescribed Accutane (on and off) in low doses to control my oily skin and acne (the lower dose doesn't hurt my back). I also had severe bouts of depression when I was 28. After two years of being on antidepressants, I was doing great mentally and had enormous amounts of energy. However, my complexion got pretty bad so my doctor prescribed Accutane again. Within about 2 weeks, my energy dropped substantially and I started to feel slightly depressed again. That's when it all clicked.

It took me over 10 years to figure out that Accutane could have been one of the major contributors to my depression. The problem lies when you consider NOT taking the Accutane. Is being depressed for a few months worth clear skin?

Many dermatogolists do not recognize this link because there have been no official studies. I think they need to listen to their patients.

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