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Asians and Acne: Part 2

Posted by Ali on July 13, 2001 at 06:20:17:

Hi All,
Alright, since no one answered my first post on this topic, I've decided to post again. Basically what my first post said was that I have noticed a disproportionate amount of the asian population who have moderate to severe acne. I live and work in a tourist city and this is just something I've observed and am dumbfounded by it. I don't know the ages of all of these people, but I do know that they are young (teens and early twenties). It likely has something to do with puberty, but it just so odd that it is so prevelent. I theorized that it has to do with the introduction of processed food into their diets and their body's can't handle it. Please, does anyone else have any thoughts on this matter?
Thanks,
Ali



Re: Asians and Acne: Part 2

Posted by Ann on July 13, 2001 at 22:13:27:

In Reply to: Asians and Acne: Part 2 posted by Ali on July 13, 2001 at 06:20:17:

I think the diet has a LOT to do with it but stress is a more important factor. Stress can cause anything to go wrong. Dr. Stoll believes that stress people experience today is 1000 times higher than 100 years ago (or something like that - can't remember the exact figures).

I come from a country where Western fast/packaged food has just recently been introduced about 10 years ago and people are already noticing it's ill effects. Did you notice how much advertising all that food gets? e.g. Kellog's Special K to lose weight. It is NOT a good nutritious breakfast unless you're 100% healthy.

What I have observed is that older people (like age 50) rarely have signs of having had any acne. But the young generation is suffering from it big time (including Asians too).

I think that if you eat a less than perfect diet BUT have a standard routine in your life. i.e. get up at the same time, go to bed at the same time. eat at the same time and get some FRESH air, it is way healthier than having a super perfect diet and eating it while thinking about work and going to bed late.

Having discipline is the hardest thing in life but can get you anything.

Our body likes routine. that way it can balance things out and produce hormones, enzymes etc in standard amounts (because it knows what's coming, it can prepare for it). If your body doesn't know what's going on, it starts altering functions of different organs and gets confused and starts giving symptoms to let you know something is wrong. It's asking for help.

I guess taking ACNE medication like Roaccutane is like fighting with your body rather than listening to it. It just gets angry and more things go wrong.

:(

this is my common sense explanation. hope this helps.



Re: Asians and Acne: Part 2

Posted by Ali on July 14, 2001 at 03:02:23:

In Reply to: Re: Asians and Acne: Part 2 posted by Ann on July 13, 2001 at 22:13:27:


Thanks Ann for replying to my post. I totally agree that stress plays the #1 role in acne, but where I get stumped is that all ethnicities experience stress especially the younger generations. I just can't get over the fact that probably 80% of the Asians I have seen have moderate to severe acne while maybe 40% of the Latinos, African-Americans and Caucasians do. What else could explain this vast discrepancy?
Thanks again,
Ali



Re: Asians and Acne: Part 2

Posted by Jack on July 14, 2001 at 15:27:13:

In Reply to: Re: Asians and Acne: Part 2 posted by Ali on July 14, 2001 at 03:02:23:

Hi,
It could be due to saturated fat in the diet and not
enough of the good ones ie fish oils, flax seed oil etc.
Young people probably eat more junk foods than
people in their 50's and above and are more likely to
live life in the fast lane stressing their bodies more.

Just a few ideas.



Re: Asians and Acne: Part 2

Posted by B.A. on July 15, 2001 at 01:26:49:

In Reply to: Re: Asians and Acne: Part 2 posted by Ali on July 14, 2001 at 03:02:23:

Ali,

The big problem with your question is that it requires us to accept the validity of your perceptions without any concrete evidence. Unfortunately, subjective perception (eyewitness testimony for instance) has been consistently proven to be one of the least reliable sources of information.

Personally, my job requires me to travel in a circle predominately asian in population. Of my encounters, I have only known 2 out of perhaps 40+ acquantances who have acne. My subjective experience appears to contradict yours! What are we to conclude?

I suspect the differences in our experiences can probably be accounted for by examining the context. My experience with asians includes, I suspect, a wider spectrum of asians, representing a larger range in terms of age. Your experience with asian tourists might simply mean that asian tourists consists mainly of teens who are in their acne prone years. In contrast, you probably have a wider-spectrum of experience with non-asians, presumably you are non-asian and know more people of different ages than those represented by your experience with asian tourists. That is, you would have experience with your parents, your grandparents, your brothers and sisters, and your nieces and nephews. Of those only a few would be in their acne prone years. So, it would APPEAR that people of your race would be less acne prone in contrast with asians - according to your experience. But this conclusion could still likely be false - for reasons I've already mentioned.

While you might still be right, you haven't given us any real evidence to justify your conclusion. This is why most scientific and medical studies depend upon carefully designed experiments that can rule out alternative possibilities.

B.A.



Re: Asians and Acne: Part 2

Posted by R. on July 15, 2001 at 01:53:33:

In Reply to: Re: Asians and Acne: Part 2 posted by Jack on July 14, 2001 at 15:27:13:

I've not found saturated fat to worsen my acne. And I eat a lot of it. However, time and time again, I see carbohydrates to cause new breakouts. Saturated fat is not a bad oil. In fact, our bodies produce it. It is necessary to deliver EFA's from the "good fats" you listed to where they belong. I hope that this misconception about saturated fats will be eliminated soon.

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Re: Asians and Acne: Part 2

Posted by Ali on July 15, 2001 at 03:33:21:

In Reply to: Re: Asians and Acne: Part 2 posted by B.A. on July 15, 2001 at 01:26:49:


B.A.
I think you misunderstood. I was asking a question and giving my opinion, not submitting a study to the American Journal of Health for review. I wasn't asking anyone to "accept the validity of my perceptions without any concrete evidence" just relaying an observation and a subsequent thought. I suspect that you need to stop assuming things of which you have no knowledge. You need to slow down. That is not what this board is all about. Who the hell are you anyway? The American Medical Association? Get a life.



Re: Asians and Acne: Part 2 (Archive.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on July 15, 2001 at 09:03:20:

In Reply to: Asians and Acne: Part 2 posted by Ali on July 13, 2001 at 06:20:17:

Hi, Ali.

I believe your theory has some validity. We will not know until a few generations have passed for the population to become acclimated to the crappy diet.

I do not think anyone "knows" how accutane works. IF it truly suppresses the release of sebum from the glands, the most obvious mechanism would be somehow closing the pores. THAT would certainly create more acne in the beginning until the gland started producing less.

Hope this helps.

Walt

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Re: Asians and Acne: Part 2

Posted by B.A. on July 15, 2001 at 14:14:21:

In Reply to: Re: Asians and Acne: Part 2 posted by Ali on July 15, 2001 at 03:33:21:

Ali,

Your post is unnecessarily hostile and defensive. I am not attacking you personally. My post was merely asking whether it might be POSSIBLE that your conclusion MIGHT be wrong. It was just a reminder to keep an open mind about that possibility.

By the way, I was merely responding to a question YOU asked: "What else could explain this vast discrepancy?" You were asking others for their thoughts on this. I offered a plausible explanation for this discrepancy. Unfortunately, it seems you are not willing to consider any explanations that are not consistent with your own. Why isn't it reasonable to ask if your conclusion is correct or not? I don't understand why I am not allowed to suggest this possibility.

You asked the question of the people on this board, but no one is allowed to disagree with your conclusions? In any type of discussion, people sometimes disagree. You need to learn to differentiate between someone who disagrees with your position and someone who is attacking you personally. There was NO PERSONAL ATTACK in anything I said. I only disagreed with what you said and gave reasons why. All you had to do was tell me why you think I am wrong.

In any case, I don't want to detract from your discussion here. I only want to say that it was not my intention to give you a hard time. My only intention was to give a reasonable and plausible alternative explanation, one that is consistent with my own experience with asians. If you do not wish to address this response, you do not have to. I just think that is unfair of you to address me with such hostility when I only tried to answer your question to the best of my abilities and with only the best intentions.

B.A.





Re: Asians and Acne: Part 2

Posted by Ali on July 15, 2001 at 21:06:17:

In Reply to: Re: Asians and Acne: Part 2 posted by B.A. on July 15, 2001 at 14:14:21:


B.A.,
The only reason I was being defensive is because your post came off TO ME as arrogant and condescending. I have no problem with ANYONE who disagrees with me. I do have an extremely open mind and I value ALL the advice I get from here, not just the concurences. Once again, I wasn't asking my question to be founded on the basis of medical legitimacy. Just asking opions of those people on this board, whose advice I value, to give me some insight on this topic. As far as I'm concerned, this subject is now closed for debate.
Ali

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