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Real life

Posted by Gay on February 23, 1999 at 19:54:30:

Athough I think the diet/exercise/meditaion is the right
direction I think it oversimplies the problem. As our
environment gets more toxic etc.. people will have more
skin problems (and other health problems) I've been on
the natural bandwagon for years including meditation. But
unfortunately real life often intrudes. Divorce, death,
job loss, - are very tough to deal with meditation or not.
Female hormone problems have also increased in older
females. I wish there was a easy answer, but there's not.
I think there is some middle gound between both traditional
medicine and the natural approach and the sooner they
come together the better.
As a final note: I recently had laser surgery for
acne scarring with good results. However I've experienced
a breakout of small bumps that won't go away and I'm
considering accutane. Antibiotics haven't worked and my
skin is extremely oily. I still exercise regularly, eat
well, and meditate when possible. But since this breakout
is in effect due to a "trauma" to my face nothing seems
to work. I've been considering mild acid peels. Will
this help the hard little surface bumps I've developed?


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Re: Real life (Yes it is! But not as you are portraying it!)

Posted by Walt Stoll on February 24, 1999 at 12:58:50:

In Reply to: Real life posted by Gay on February 23, 1999 at 19:54:30:


How did you check your "meditation" technique to be certain that it was producing the alpha/theta rhythm needed to be effective? How religiously have you done it at least twice a day? My guess is that you have done neither.

Since you do not understand that this is not a "magical" solution---it is the distance one walks from the edge of their "cliff" that determines whether the "stressors" you mentioned would have any effect on your hypothalamus---it is apparent that you do not know of which you speak.

Certainly that is OK for YOU to be that way. However, I do NOT think it is OK for you to present yourself as an "expert" who has "been there, done that" for others who are just beginning to learn about this stuff. They still do not know who to believe and deserve better than this at this stage of their journey.

Since you likely have done such a poor job with your "meditation" I also question how much of a student of exercise and diet you are.


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Posted by Jennifer on February 24, 1999 at 13:33:40:

In Reply to: Re: Real life (Yes it is! But not as you are portraying it!) posted by Walt Stoll on February 24, 1999 at 12:58:50:

I'm confused about your response to this question. I didn't get the impression Gay was representing herself as an expert on anything. Your response seemed a little brutal. Did I miss something?


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Re: Real life

Posted by Denise on February 24, 1999 at 15:37:18:

In Reply to: Real life posted by Gay on February 23, 1999 at 19:54:30:

Real life sure can be tough sometimes. In my limited experience, the people who handle stress the best are those who have a sense of something bigger than themselves, such as religion/spirituality, humanitarian activities, concern for the environment, etc. Support from family and friends is also extremely important. This is not to say that diet, exercise, and sr don't help: they most certainly do, as many people on this board have attested to (and particularly for those of us with chronic health problems).

Let me give an example. My husband grew up in the middle of a civil war, from the time he was a young child until he emigrated to the US to go to college (the war ended only a few years ago). He was rarely allowed outside to play. His diet was not always adequate. It was through the love of his family and his strong religious beliefs that he managed to survive psychologically and succeed in school. To this day he handles stress far better than I do. I guess he was forced to learn at a young age.

I'm no doctor. I've been gradually implementing Dr. Stoll's recommendations, and have seen significant improvement. But I do know that without the love of my family and close friends, without a sense of some higher meaning to my life that extends beyond myself, I'd be stressed. As I understand it, that's what holistic medicine is all about: the body, the mind, and the spirit all need nourishing and healing.


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Amen Denise! nmi

Posted by Kathy McEvoy on February 24, 1999 at 16:23:39:

In Reply to: Re: Real life posted by Denise on February 24, 1999 at 15:37:18:


Re: confused (That is why I said what I did.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on February 25, 1999 at 11:05:33:

In Reply to: confused posted by Jennifer on February 24, 1999 at 13:33:40:

Dear Jennifer,

Gay said that the wellness approach (although s/he agreed with it) was too simplistic. S/he knew this since s/he had "done it" and still had acne. I took his/her statement to mean that s/he thought s/he knew something about it from personal experience.

If s/he has "done it" s/he would be the first person in 30 years of MY experience whose problem did not clear up. SO, I gave her/him the chance to share with others HOW s/he "did it".

This is NOT some "fly by night" magical approach. Anyone who takes the time to learn about it would know WHY it works so well. His/her statement about "psychological stressors worsening the acne" tells me that s/he still is living VERY close to the edge of reserves; something that is VERY unlikely if s/he had done her wellness competently.

I was harsh because it is hard enough for anyone to learn this stuff without someone saying that "I have done it & it didn't work" when they have NOT done it. If I can provoke her/him to anger, perhaps s/he will take the time to find out what this is all about.

I appreciate your comments since I fuly expected someone to challenge me on this one. All I care about it getting people to start thinking.

Namaste` Walt


Re: Real life (Spirituality---the indispensible factor.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on February 25, 1999 at 11:18:21:

In Reply to: Re: Real life posted by Denise on February 24, 1999 at 15:37:18:

Dear Denise,

I couldn't agree more.

One of the most direct ways to wellness is though the Spirit. However, for most people that is the hardest way. Since our bodymind is the temple of the spirit, in this sensory reality, most people find that getting their "temple" in order is the most practical way to move toward spirituality. Wholeness is another term for holistic or "holy". Health is synonymous with "holy".

There are people who have achieved wellness through "the Grace of God" but they are few & far between. That is not to say that it is not a valid "way" because it is perhaps the most valid way after all.

I have not emphasized the spirit on this BB because it is meant to be a tool for learning to think differently. The spiritual dimension of this is at least as important but I had to focus on the simple things to get the point across.

I appreciate people like you bringing this up since it is an indispensible part of what wellness is about. This BB can stand all the help it can get. I hope your note will start a much needed discussion about this aspect.

Namaste` Walt

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Re: Spirituality---the indispensible factor.

Posted by Deb on February 25, 1999 at 15:15:55:

In Reply to: Re: Real life (Spirituality---the indispensible factor.) posted by Walt Stoll on February 25, 1999 at 11:18:21:

Dear Walt,

Although you don't talk much about spirituality directly, by encouraging people to do SR, you are giving them a tool to start getting in touch with their spirit. When we quiet our minds, our bodies and spirits can begin to be heard.


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Spirituality - Right On!!! and Namaste (NMI)

Posted by wendy g on February 25, 1999 at 21:27:49:

In Reply to: Re: Spirituality---the indispensible factor. posted by Deb on February 25, 1999 at 15:15:55:


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