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Posted by Kristie Bradshaw on August 13, 2001 at 12:34:48:

Lately, I have been getting dizzy and nauseated on a regular basis. It seems like everytime I stand up from a short sitting, I get dizzy and everything gets about 10 shades darker. Do you have any idea of to what could be causing this? Thanks.



Re: Dizziness, swollen glands

Posted by LauraN on August 13, 2001 at 13:00:21:

In Reply to: Dizziness posted by Kristie Bradshaw on August 13, 2001 at 12:34:48:

could you tell me what diseases are associated with dizziness,fatigue, numbness in the finger tips and swollen glands.

Thank you.

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Aren't you the 15 y.o. girl on accutane ? I thought you didn't have any side-effects. nmi

Posted by Roy on August 13, 2001 at 23:30:12:

In Reply to: Dizziness posted by Kristie Bradshaw on August 13, 2001 at 12:34:48:




Re: Aren't you the 15 y.o. girl on accutane ? I thought you didn't have any side-effects. nmi

Posted by Kristie on August 14, 2001 at 09:10:15:

In Reply to: Aren't you the 15 y.o. girl on accutane ? I thought you didn't have any side-effects. nmi posted by Roy on August 13, 2001 at 23:30:12:

It's not from Accutane....the dizziness started before I ever went on Accutane.



Re: Aren't you the 15 y.o. girl on accutane ? I thought you didn't have any side-effects. nmi

Posted by Roy on August 15, 2001 at 03:01:29:

In Reply to: Re: Aren't you the 15 y.o. girl on accutane ? I thought you didn't have any side-effects. nmi posted by Kristie on August 14, 2001 at 09:10:15:

The same thing that's causing your acne, is also causing the dizziness and nausea.(STRESS!) Unless you do something about THAT, you'll likely accumulate more stress-related symptoms as you get older.



Re: Aren't you the 15 y.o. girl on accutane ? I thought you didn't have any side-effects. nmi

Posted by Walt Stoll on August 15, 2001 at 08:32:03:

In Reply to: Re: Aren't you the 15 y.o. girl on accutane ? I thought you didn't have any side-effects. nmi posted by Roy on August 15, 2001 at 03:01:29:

Right on, Roy!

It is called dysautonomia and it is one of the things that people can get if they do not heed the warning that persistant acne is about the accumulation of stress-effect.

It truly IS amazing how people will struggle to avoid learning the true causes of a condition. Taking a pill is SO much easier at the time.

Namaste`

Walt



To ROY regarding lightening up.

Posted by Dianne on August 16, 2001 at 17:57:14:

In Reply to: Re: Aren't you the 15 y.o. girl on accutane ? I thought you didn't have any side-effects. nmi posted by Roy on August 15, 2001 at 03:01:29:


Just so you know, your post reads in my mind as a rather smug and unappetizing version of compassion and/or wellness. If you're so sure what "is causing" her symptoms, perhaps you should be a shade gentler with your doctorly frustration. As far as her dizziness goes, you may be quite wrong about things. Regardless, she's a teenager, remember? A teen-ager, on the internet, asking a question about health problems.

Dianne



To Dr. Stoll regarding the same.

Posted by Dianne on August 16, 2001 at 18:04:42:

In Reply to: Re: Aren't you the 15 y.o. girl on accutane ? I thought you didn't have any side-effects. nmi posted by Walt Stoll on August 15, 2001 at 08:32:03:


Dear Walt,

I'm confused by your tone. To whom are you saying "namaste?" Roy, or the young girl posting a question??? It feels like you two are high-fiving to make this girl feel foolish, since she is one of the lost souls taking accutane already.

I really like this board but I am so tired of reading people's immediate and unsympathetic tackles on whoever mentions accutane. I am against it too. But I don't think textual eye-rolling is very effective. Particularly when dealing with the very young!

Frankly I think you should just have a generic (and thus, neutrally-toned) reply to folks who obviously need to consult the bb arcives for your perspective on health. This way when you are having a bad day (not saying you were, but if you happen to be) there won't be any subtle but nevertheless READABLE negativity in your reply to detract from your otherwise very healthful information.

Sincerely
Dianne



Re: Inreply to Dianne

Posted by Kristie on August 16, 2001 at 22:46:27:

In Reply to: To ROY regarding lightening up. posted by Dianne on August 16, 2001 at 17:57:14:

Thank you....finally someone who doesn't try to scare me to death and make me think that I am going to die. Thank you so much.

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Re: In reply to Walt

Posted by Reply to Walt and Roy on August 16, 2001 at 22:58:52:

In Reply to: Re: Aren't you the 15 y.o. girl on accutane ? I thought you didn't have any side-effects. nmi posted by Walt Stoll on August 15, 2001 at 08:32:03:

I hate to say this..but you aren't much of a doctor. Since you obviously don't know this....some people "need" medicine. My self esteem is very important to me and my dermatologist realizes that. Thanks to him, I have my life back. I am not saying that Accutane doesn't have bad side effects, because it prolly does "ALL MEDICINES DO" but you can't try and scare people to death. I had tried everything but Accutane...it wasn't me first choice...thank you. I hadn't been depressed in a long time until you and Roy started talking about how "bad" accutane was. Alot of medicines are bad but they work. I was hoping to get some more encouragement from this site, like my dermatologist gives me but I haven't got anything from it but getting scared to death. Do you feel better now that you know you have scared me about Accutane. thanks to you I now have something to worry about...at my age..........



Take a look at this Walt and Roy.

Posted by Kristie on August 16, 2001 at 23:06:33:

In Reply to: Re: Aren't you the 15 y.o. girl on accutane ? I thought you didn't have any side-effects. nmi posted by Walt Stoll on August 15, 2001 at 08:32:03:

G200 -- 3/28/00

LONG TERM SAFETY OF ACCUTANE

Gabe Mirkin, M.D.

Isotretinoin, sold under the brand name Accutane, is the only drug that can cure acne, but it can cause horrible birth defects when taken by pregnant women. A recent report in the British Journal of Dermatology shows that Accutane otherwise is much safer than we used to think.

Acne is a condition in which normally colorless, liquid skin oils are converted to solid white material. Then the skin responds to the trapped solid oil by turning red and swelling. A three- or four-month course of Accutane damages the oil glands and markedly reduces the amount of oil that your skin produces, making Accutane the most effective drug to treat acne. Having less skin oil should not cause any serious side effects as its only known function is to keep you from feeling too cold in the winter, because it slows evaporation of sweat. Dry skin is associated with lack of water, and aging of skin is associated with lack of collagen, not with lack of oil.

In the British study, ninety-three per cent of the people taking Accutane reported no long-term side effects. The British researchers reported that two percent suffered muscle aches at follow up, and 5 percent suffered from dry mouth. Fewer than one percent claimed that they had dry eyes and skin and joint pains. Higher doses were not associated with more side effects. The authors concluded that their study showed that isotretinoin is a safe drug with no serious long-term side-effects. However, it causes birth defects when taken during pregnancy.

I insist that all women who take Accutane do nothing that could cause a pregnancy while they take it. Three months after stopping Accutane, a woman has no increased risk for birth defects.

I check liver tests and triglyceride levels and if normal, prescribe 40 mg of Accutane twice a day for 14 weeks. I check liver tests every four weeks and stop the drug immediately if the liver tests become abnormal. I repeat liver tests two weeks later, and if normal, restart Accutane. Eighty-two percent of those who follow this regimen are cured of acne for life. If the acne returns months or years later, I usually prescribe 40 mg of Accutane four times a day for one month.

1)V Goulden, AM Layton, WJ Cunliffe. Long-term safety of isotretinoin as a treatment for acne vulgaris. British Journal of Dermatology 1994(Sept);131(3):360-363. Most doctors prescribe 40 mg Accutane twice a day. You can take it with food. Get liver function and triglyceride blood tests before start and once a month while on Accutane. Do not get pregnant. Apply vaseline to your lips as often as possible. Stop at 14 weeks. Accutane is the only drug that can destroy oil glands.

2) Accutane blocks formation of dihydrotestosterone and does not affect other hormones. R Palatsi, A Ruokonen, A Oikarinen. Isotretinoin, tetracycline and circulating hormones in acne. Acta Dermato - Venereologica 77: 5 (SEP 1997):394-396.

3) C Leautelabreze, C Gautier, L Labbe, A Taieb. Infantile acne treated with oral isotretinoin. Annales de Dermatologie et de Venereologie 125: 2(FEB 1998):132-134. a 22-month-old boy, since 6 months of age.

Health Reports from The Dr. Gabe Mirkin Show and DrMirkin.com

Transcripts of segments of The Dr. Gabe Mirkin Show are provided as a service to listeners at no charge. Dr. Mirkin's opinions and the references cited are for information only, and are not intended to diagnose or prescribe. For your specific diagnosis and treatment, consult your doctor or health care provider.



For Kristie: Something GOOD has already come out of this!

Posted by Kristie on August 17, 2001 at 11:17:09:

In Reply to: Take a look at this Walt and Roy. posted by Kristie on August 16, 2001 at 23:06:33:

Dear Kristie!

Just look at you. You are now reading, researching and learning more about your health problem. Ideally, this is what everyone should be doing... gather information, weigh the pros and cons and make an INFORMED decision. As long as YOU know WHY you're taking Accutane (or any other medication for that matter) and are comfortable with your decision and any consequences that may come of it, you're on the right track.

But keep in mind that you don't have acne because of a deficiency of Accutane in your body. There is an underlying cause which Dr. Stoll wanted you to find. And I'm confident that you'll dig a little deeper now, just to be sure.

I have never had acne in my life, but my husband had a severe stroke last December. He was on 10 plus medications to be taken indefinitely (blood pressure, diabetes, prostate, anti-depressants, sleeping pills, etc.) If we had not monitored the situation closely and made diet/lifestyle changes AND REQUEST TO BE TAKEN OFF THESE MEDICATIONS he would still be on most or all of them to this day. As it is, he's only taking one now (Blood pressure). He's doing just fine (and progressing faster than predicted by his doctor).

So please don't get angry. Take action and take charge of your own life.

All the best
Rosemarie




For Kristie: Something GOOD has already come out of this!

Posted by Kristie on August 17, 2001 at 11:38:46:

In Reply to: Take a look at this Walt and Roy. posted by Kristie on August 16, 2001 at 23:06:33:

Dear Kristie!

Just look at you. You are now reading, researching and learning more about your health problem. Ideally, this is what everyone should be doing... gather information, weigh the pros and cons and make an INFORMED decision. As long as YOU know WHY you're taking Accutane (or any other medication for that matter) and are comfortable with your decision and any consequences that may come of it, you're on the right track.

But keep in mind that you don't have acne because of a deficiency of Accutane in your body. There is an underlying cause which Dr. Stoll wanted you to find. And I'm confident that you'll dig a little deeper now, just to be sure.

I have never had acne in my life, but my husband had a severe stroke last December. He was on 10 plus medications to be taken indefinitely (blood pressure, diabetes, prostate, anti-depressants, sleeping pills, etc.) If we had not monitored the situation closely and made diet/lifestyle changes AND REQUEST TO BE TAKEN OFF THESE MEDICATIONS he would still be on most or all of them to this day. As it is, he's only taking one now (Blood pressure). He's doing just fine (and progressing faster than predicted by his doctor).

So please don't get angry. Take action and take charge of your own life.

All the best
Rosemarie


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Re: For Kristie: I'm Sorry the above post was written by me not Kristie. (nmi)

Posted by Rosemarie on August 17, 2001 at 11:45:54:

In Reply to: For Kristie: Something GOOD has already come out of this! posted by Kristie on August 17, 2001 at 11:17:09:

nmi

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Re: To Dr. Stoll regarding the same. (SIGH!)

Posted by Walt Stoll on August 18, 2001 at 10:06:34:

In Reply to: To Dr. Stoll regarding the same. posted by Dianne on August 16, 2001 at 18:04:42:

Hi, Dianne.

I hereby turn all of these cases over to your tender, loving care. Hope you can do better. Better yet, you might start your own website and see how good a following you get. You know, that has something to say about how successful your approach is.

Namaste` (Definition posted many places on this 'site.)

Walt

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Re: In reply to Walt (Archive in philosophy.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on August 18, 2001 at 10:16:31:

In Reply to: Re: In reply to Walt posted by Reply to Walt and Roy on August 16, 2001 at 22:58:52:

To NONAME.

I hate to say this but you are speaking from ignorance. I always have said that the problem with conventional medicine is that it insists that covering up the symptoms is the only acceptable way to think.

I was board certified in conventional medicine and know the place for the appropriate use of medicine is WHILE THE PERSON IS DEALING WITH WHY THEY HAVE WHAT THEY HAVE! This last part is what the conventional monoply totally ignores.

For you to make the comments you have with the most superficial knowledge about this website is inexcusable. If that is the way you go through life, I pity you your health.

Walt



Re: Take a look at this Walt and Roy. (Archive in acne.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on August 18, 2001 at 10:18:26:

In Reply to: Take a look at this Walt and Roy. posted by Kristie on August 16, 2001 at 23:06:33:

NMI

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Re: In reply to Walt (Archive in philosophy.)

Posted by Kristie on August 18, 2001 at 11:03:03:

In Reply to: Re: In reply to Walt (Archive in philosophy.) posted by Walt Stoll on August 18, 2001 at 10:16:31:

Walt:
I would really like to know something. Why when other people get on here and answer my questions in a negative way do you say "right on" and when I finally find something that contradicts and therefore proves you to be wrong, do you reply with such an ill remark as "you are ignorant". Thank you but yes I am ignorant, but I am 15 and haven't went through medical school to learn all of this stuff. You are old enough not to be ignorant about such topics and this "medical school" you brag about should have taught you to not be ignorant. I have time to learn. Doctors are supposed to be encouraging and in case you didn't know this.....medicine is made to help people not hurt them...and the study that was sent to me that upset you so much, proved that I am right. Some other medicines even mention "heart attacks" as a side effect....but is that not a bad thing to you?? Unless someone plans on getting pregnant then Accutane is fine. You have obviously never had acne...but have you read all the messages to you that say "Accutane is the one and only thing that worked". Even that study from Great Britain said it. My cousin has a terrible case of acne and she is going through the same thing I went through and her dermatologist told her that Accutane was safe, except for the "pregnant issue", and that she could take it since it would be the only thing to work. If you aren't a dermatologist then you shouldn't have tryied so hard to answer this question....only dermatologists know the real answer, and I guess that was part my fault for even asking someone that isn't trained in that area. I am sorry if I have been rude at all, but it bugs me when a doctor has one of those "holier than thou" attitudes, and refuses to believe something that proves him to be wrong. That doesn't usually happen to doctors, does it?? Anyways, I will now rely on my dermatologist's answers and not you anymore. My dermatologist doesn't try and scare me and you indeed do. So thank you for your time.



Re: In reply to Walt (Archive in philosophy.)

Posted by Raisa on August 18, 2001 at 13:20:12:

In Reply to: Re: In reply to Walt (Archive in philosophy.) posted by Kristie on August 18, 2001 at 11:03:03:

Hi, Kristie - Dr. Stoll was answering to "NoName", since you didn't post your name.
I am almost sorry I told you about that study done in Great Britain. There are studies done all the time on all drugs; and the sad thing is that one day you read that a drug is perfectly safe (ex: Valium was considered very safe when it first came out and for a long time afterwards. A doctor t(an internist) told me that every time he got annoyed with a patient he would just pop a Valium in his mouth. So, he gave me Valium for a sleeping problem I had. When one stopped being effective, I took 2. Many people took them all day long just to calm down. But, if you read literature starting about 10 or 15 years ago (maybe longer), you will see that Valium was found to be a very habit-forming and dangerous drug when taken for long periods of time. I had a terrible time breaking my addiction, and I was only taking it at night!
If you are still reading this, what I am trying to say is that one study in favor of Accutane doesn't mean it is absolutely safe. It means that probably it is safe "so far".
You are a teenager, and having been one at one time and also having had three teen-age children, I know that they are very hard to convince. If I could go back to being a teenager and know what I know now (how many times have you heard THAT?), I would never take the drugs I took (diet pills, cigarettes). But I thought nothing was wrong and that adults were dumb. All anyone is trying to tell you is to listen to experience. You shouldn't take it the wrong way. It is so discouraging for adults to watch children and teenagers do things that we know could hurt them, when perhaps they have other alternatives. Raisa



A beautiful answer Raisa! I hope she'll see the wisdom in what you said. nmi

Posted by Rosemarie on August 18, 2001 at 14:35:26:

In Reply to: Re: In reply to Walt (Archive in philosophy.) posted by Raisa on August 18, 2001 at 13:20:12:

nmi



Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus ..... ?

Posted by Roy on August 18, 2001 at 15:27:33:

In Reply to: To Dr. Stoll regarding the same. posted by Dianne on August 16, 2001 at 18:04:42:

Hello Dianne.

As you can tell from my original subject "Aren't you the 15 y.o. girl...", there was a recent thread started by Kristie on the subject of accutane, to which the good doctor (and others) gave several "generic neutrally-toned" suggestions to consult the archives and consider other alternatives. It was obvious from her responses that this isn't wanted she wanted to hear. Finally, in frustration Walt responded with his note that "It truly IS amazing how people will struggle to avoid learning the true causes of a condition". I wouldn't call that "an
immediate and unsympathetic tackle".

Having following this web-site since the beginning of this year, and having a health-coaching session with him just prior to his last vacation, I can tell you that his bed-side manner (or "web-side manner") is the best I've ever experienced from any doctor. People like me who have been suffering a long time (25 years ...I'm almost 40 now) appreciate his frankness and ability to get to the cause of our problems. That and the fact that he spends several hours everyday helping people FOR FREE says a lot about his compassion.

I agree with you that there are on occasion a fair number of negative posts by trolls and others, that cause unnecessary stress. I just don't think that was the case this time.

Namastè
Roy



Re: In reply to Walt

Posted by Roy on August 18, 2001 at 15:28:14:

In Reply to: Re: In reply to Walt posted by Reply to Walt and Roy on August 16, 2001 at 22:58:52:

Hello Kristie.

I apologize if I scared you. That wasn't my intention.

I don't think Dr.Stoll has ever said to anyone "do not take accutane". He just tries to make you consider other alternatives, the safety of accutane, and the cause of your acne. If you understand all of that , and still want to go ahead with accutane, that's ok ... so long as you're addressing the underlying cause as well.

As Walt has said many times, "when you have suffered enough, you'll be ready to learn". My problems started around your age. I'm almost 40 now. I wish I knew then what I know now. I'm not suggesting you're headed for a life of misery, but the fact that you have multiple-system stress effect (acne, dizziness, nausea) makes me think you should "err on the side of caution" and consider wellness. It won't hurt you, it just requires a bit of effort.

In your defense, after reading your original accutane post, you were just wanting to know how long you could stay on accutane; although even your derm doesn't want to keep giving this stuff to you. You won't find that kind of information on this board; however, there are several out there that could help you with that. I read them occasionally (it's nice to get both sides of the story). Here's one:


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PS. I can't picture Walt "high-fiving" with anybody :-) nmi.

Posted by Roy on August 18, 2001 at 15:42:15:

In Reply to: To Dr. Stoll regarding the same. posted by Dianne on August 16, 2001 at 18:04:42:


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do a lot of research

Posted by Vince F on August 18, 2001 at 15:56:31:

In Reply to: Re: In reply to Walt posted by Reply to Walt and Roy on August 16, 2001 at 22:58:52:


Kristie, I know very little about accutane but think I
would be affraid of it from warnings I have read and would
be looking for something I considered safe or safer than.
I have tried Many things to get better and do a Lot of
reading and even More so when I hear about dangers or even
possible ones. I know acne is NO fun but maybe something
worse would be even less. Best to learn All you can and if
you feel comfortable taking something OR accept the risks
you will be making an informed decision. Your dermitoligist
may be telling you what you want to hear but would they take
it and do they know everything about it ??

Anything that shouldn't be taken when pregnant would worry
me. Maybe because of things I have heard from others
but they are MY feelings and right for me. Educate yourself
and then decide. Take the positives with the negatives and
decided what you are comfortable with since if something
hurts you, YOU pay the price so chose wisely.

I still get acne and am Much older than you. I had found
an acne cleaner that worked great and had it for many years
and when runing low I couldn't find it. I tried geting
something with the same ingredients but it didn't work so I
am taking what little I have left and adding it to the new
stuff but Very sparingly and it Is working.

Be wise and be careful...

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Re: A beautiful answer Raisa! I hope she'll see the wisdom in what you said. nmi

Posted by Raisa on August 18, 2001 at 17:23:19:

In Reply to: A beautiful answer Raisa! I hope she'll see the wisdom in what you said. nmi posted by Rosemarie on August 18, 2001 at 14:35:26:

Thanks, Rosemarie - As we both know, the teenage years are difficult enough without having the media and the world of the internet giving advice!! Glad I'm not raising a teenager now, aren't you? Or do you HAVE a teenager? I'm sure it's much harder than it used to be. Raisa



Re: A beautiful answer Raisa! I hope she'll see the wisdom in what you said. nmi

Posted by Raisa re last post to Rosemarie on August 18, 2001 at 17:47:28:

In Reply to: Re: A beautiful answer Raisa! I hope she'll see the wisdom in what you said. nmi posted by Raisa on August 18, 2001 at 17:23:19:

Hi, Rosemarie - I forgot to say that I'm not sure that if I were a teenager in today's world I would listen either - I probably would believe what I wanted to. As my Grandfather used to say "Too soon Alt, und Too late Schmart". When I was a teenager with acne, ultra-violet treatments were still being done, and guess who had them? Raisa



Re: A beautiful answer Raisa! I hope she'll see the wisdom in what you said

Posted by Rosemarie on August 19, 2001 at 16:33:00:

In Reply to: Re: A beautiful answer Raisa! I hope she'll see the wisdom in what you said. nmi posted by Raisa re last post to Rosemarie on August 18, 2001 at 17:47:28:

Raisa, I have a son 33 and a daughter 31. I've been into wellness practicall all my life and my son just says "Oh Mom!!!!" He thinks I'm too negative about conventional medicine and the care I take in selecting good food, etc. My daughter is more tolerant but too lazy to follow that kind of lifestyle. Oh well, like I said in another post "being a good example means nothing..till they are ready."


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Re: Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus ..... ?

Posted by Walt Stoll on August 20, 2001 at 09:31:57:

In Reply to: Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus ..... ? posted by Roy on August 18, 2001 at 15:27:33:

Thanks, Roy!

Namaste`

Walt

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Hypothyroidism can be the cause

Posted by R. on August 28, 2001 at 00:59:14:

In Reply to: Dizziness posted by Kristie Bradshaw on August 13, 2001 at 12:34:48:

I remember these being some of hypothyroidism's symptoms. Guess what is a possible cause of hypothyroidism. Adrenal malfunction! And that can happen due to stress. Chronic stress, that is. I hope you'll be able to connect this with what you've been told here. And it's not difficult to test. You can do a saliva test for DHEA and cortisol that will tell a specialist if your adrenals are working fine. Overall hormonal test may be useful too. If you have an imbalance, know that it can be fixed. I just don't think that a dermatologist is the right guy for the job as he's likely to have a tunnel vision focused on the skin -- too superficial.

By the way, acne is one of symptoms of hypothyroidism. Isn't it interesting how it's all connected? I am not sure I was able to see that at 15. Actually, I think I was; I just didn't know the details.

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