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What I Know About Acne

Posted by j.s. on October 12, 2001 at 17:14:35:

In my experience, acne was almost entirely unrelated to my dietary or exercise practices. It had everything to do with my state of mind.

I admire Dr. Stoll very much, but I think he goes too far in suggesting that acne has specific dietary aggravators. He's more on track when he talks about glandular malfunction. I didn't cure (yes, cure) myself of acne until I learned to RELAX. For me, dramatic improvement resulted from the simple act of sitting still. That last statement, at first glance, seems like a crude description of meditation, but I assure you that I'm nothing close to religious.

I urge any sufferer of acne to stop worrying about his skin or stomach and start considering his mind. That is where the cure begins and ends. Lastly, thank you, Dr. Stoll, for enlightening me.



Re: What I Know About Acne

Posted by Straight Pin on October 13, 2001 at 03:01:25:

In Reply to: What I Know About Acne posted by j.s. on October 12, 2001 at 17:14:35:

Wow, that's interesting; thanks for posting.

I believe that acne can be caused by different things and, of course, everyone is different. Mine was caused by diet, and vitamin B6 helped a lot -- for years people on this board have sworn by B5 (in the archives). So for some people it IS related to diet. BOTH diet and stress can affect hormone levels, which in turn can cause acne.

Take care.
!SP



Straight pin - a clarification?!

Posted by sk on October 13, 2001 at 08:49:41:

In Reply to: Re: What I Know About Acne posted by Straight Pin on October 13, 2001 at 03:01:25:

Straight Pin -
I am trying to get to the bottom of my recent new acne flares - never had it before and then all of the sudden...

you say you swear by B6, but then also say that people swear by B5. Do you take both? If so, what doses?

I started taking 250mg B5 daily and 50mg B6 daily. I know that isnt much, or anywhere near the megadoses suggested here, but I am not one to take risks like taking megadoses. I am in the health field so I know what megadoses can do down the line.

I am just curious your regimen, because you are the first person I have read that takes both the B vitamins that I do. CAn I ask WHY you started taking them?

My recent experience with acne was so sudden, and I am talking moderate acne, not mild acne, so I am trying to get to the bottom of it, and then how to deal with it. Nothing in my life changed! That is what is so weird about it. all of the sudden...BAM!

The only thing I can link it to is an injury I suffered back in June, which I was told (for a while) might be something like cancer, gallbladder disease etc...which put me under major stress. My diet has not changed at all. Could it be that the stress I experienced as a result of not knowing whether I had a disease, a fatal disease or just a muscular injury "caused" this sudden development of acne?

Thanks for any thoughts. I am just trying to get to the bottom of such a puzzling and upsetting experience.

Thanks!
Sk



Re: What I Know About Acne (Archive in acne.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on October 13, 2001 at 10:41:39:

In Reply to: What I Know About Acne posted by j.s. on October 12, 2001 at 17:14:35:

Thanks, j.s.

I appreciate your note. I do think that you are misinterpreting what I say about specific foods though. Diet is, by far, the least important thing to change for the majority of acne sufferers--other than as a piece of the wellness approach that will help anyone. There will be a very occasional person in which they find a specific food that is significantly contributing.

Walt

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Re: Straight pin - a clarification?!

Posted by Straight Pin on October 13, 2001 at 21:33:51:

In Reply to: Straight pin - a clarification?! posted by sk on October 13, 2001 at 08:49:41:

Hi, I started taking B6 for several reasons: problems with carpal tunnel syndrome, acne, mood swings and depression.

In my case I think there is a direct "line" between nerves (stress) and the pores! No question, when I am stressed I break out. B6 is known as the "nervous system vitamin."

Acne can have many causes; again, when hormones are out of balance (which can be associated with diet, hypothyroidism, ovarian cysts, etc.) the skin flares up. Constipation can play a role as well. I don't however, believe the old adage that eating fried foods, nuts, and chocolate precipitates a breakout.

Interestingly, when one has the ideal balance (85% "good" to 15% "bad") of gut flora the B vitamin deficiencies [true carpal tunnel syndrome is believed to be manifestation of B6 deficiency], improve dramatically -- some strains of "good" flora actually manufacture B vitamins.

As to dosage, I tailored mine. Recommended dose of B6 is not to exceed 200 mg/day; sore tongue is a symptom of overdosing. I had to titrate upward until my carpal tunnel syndrome etc. disappeared.

When you have time you may want to search the archives for the B5 posts. Also I have a "bag of tricks" [tips] that control acne very well which I will share if you want.

I hope this helps.

! SP



Re: Straight pin - a clarification?!

Posted by sk on October 13, 2001 at 23:10:46:

In Reply to: Re: Straight pin - a clarification?! posted by Straight Pin on October 13, 2001 at 21:33:51:

Straight Pin-
That all makes a LOT of sense, and I appreciate you taking the time to explain.

If you wouldnt mind sharing your "bag of tricks" my ears are WIDE OPEN. I am always interested in new tricks.....

Let me quickly share my experience with gut flora, B vitamins and antibiotics. I went on minocycline for a very mild case of rosacea....not knowing the side effects of such a strong drug. I then developed ACNE, which I had NEVER had before. I went off of the meds and guess what? My skin has only continued to clear.......I asked my doctor about the connection and he said it would be "RATHER STRANGE" for the antibiotic to cause acne. However, I found out later that it is recommended that anyone on antibiotics should supplement with B complex because they suck the B vitamins right out of you! As well as "good" bacteria. I experienced your theory first hand much to the confusion of my doctor. Just thought you might enjoy that little first-hand B vitamin experience.

I look forward to hearing about your tricks for acne. If you are interested in sharing!

Thanks for the clarification!
Sincerely,
sk



Re: Straight pin - a clarification?!

Posted by Straight Pin on October 14, 2001 at 01:42:26:

In Reply to: Re: Straight pin - a clarification?! posted by sk on October 13, 2001 at 23:10:46:

Okay, here goes. First you need to remember that these are more "anecdotal" than "scientific" and based on personal experiences of people I know, old wives' tales, etc.


DIET:
Bananas are good source of B6.
Bee propolis (liquid from hive; available in health
food stores) is great. I take mine in OJ.
OJ is a good system "flusher" -- OBs tell their
toxemic patients to drink lots to flush
everything out. I know many who swear by it
for acne. PINEAPPLE JUICE also a good
flusher. Both of these need to be done in
moderation (mindful of their sugar content.)
Green, leafy veggies also help.
Of course, drink lots of pure h2o!
WATCH YOUR SUGAR INTAKE.


SUPPLEMENTS (In addition to the B vitamins we discussed):
Since the antibiotic probably exterminated your "good" bacteria (evidenced by acne), if you aren't already on one start taking a probiotic like FloraSource to replenish the population. Also supplement with EFAs (essential fatty acids) if your diet doesn't contain plenty of good oils (flax, etc.) -- most people don't get enough or in the proper ratio. Vitamin E (natural, 400 to 800 I.U. daily) [internally, not topically] helps some people.


OTHER:
Sun -- helps dry lesions, but don't burn.


MISCELLANEOUS:
Keep fingernails rather short. If hair is oily, keep off of face.


SKIN CARE:
SOAP -- My favorite is Fostex in the brown box (NOT the one in the green box, which contains benzoyl peroxide). Usually the pharmacist at drugstore will have to order, but well worth it!! A bar only costs about $6 and will last a long time if kept relatively dry. Good to bathe with, too, if needed.

WASH -- Thursday Plantation Daily Acne Wash. More expensive but great stuff! Contains tea tree oil as well as salicylic acid (active ingredient in Fostex Soap, above). Available at health food stores.

**WASH your face with soap/wash above as often as possible.**

SCRUB -- St. Ive's Apricot Scrub. Sloughs off dead skin layer and also helps with the blackheads, "the pimples of tomorrow." Available at Wal-Mart, etc.

QUICKIES -- Carry regular Stridex pads in your purse for quick oil removal throughout the day while at work, etc. Will make you more comfortable.

At home, witch hazel is good for quick dirt removal when there's no time to wash your face but is not as astringent (drying) as the other products. Also, don't forget about lemon juice, which is a good astringent. Clay masks are good for deep cleansing.

I avoid all products containing benzoyl peroxide, it is too harsh.


This regimen has worked for many. If skin problems persist you may want to consider exploring other possible reasons for the acne like hormonal imbalances.

If you have additional questions please let me know.

! SP




Re: Straight pin - a clarification?! (Archive in acne.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on October 14, 2001 at 07:17:40:

In Reply to: Re: Straight pin - a clarification?! posted by Straight Pin on October 14, 2001 at 01:42:26:

Thanks, Straight Pin.

Namaste`

Walt

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