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A working/lasting cure for Acne

Posted by Mike on March 29, 2002 at 11:17:47:

I first discovered this bulletin board over a year ago,
at that time I was desperate, I felt like a wreck, I had
incredible amounts of acne that I could not get rid of,
I had tried everything, all sorts of pills/medications/washes, well everything but accutane,
which I vowed never to do. This site led me to think
a different way, to find a cure myself, it led me off on
the right trail, and on that trail I found what I believe
is a lasting cure to acne. I discovered a book by a
man named Paul Bragg, the book entitled "The Miracle
of Fasting," thanks to the things in that book, my skin
is now absolutely clear. I discovered that fasting can
get rid of the toxins in your body, clean it out, and
reduce acne dramatically and QUICKLY. I still have a
lot of redness left on my face, mostly due to all the
crazy medications I took, but as for all the pimples and
bumps and "craters" all over my face, well all that is
gone, my skin is smooth, I feel energetic, rejuvenated,
and I believe it is all thanks to the benefits of fasting.
I fast 1 day a week for 24-36 hours, eating nothing and
drinking lots of distilled water. I also fast about 6-12
days once every 4 months to clean my body out even more,
thanks to this, I have no acne to worry about, and my
skin only keeps improving.

PS-I also take certain supplements, 3 grams of Vitamin
B5, 1 gram of Flax Seed Oil, 1.3 grams of Evening Primrose
Oil, 600 mg of Oregon Grape Root, 35,000 IU of Vitamin A,
and 1 gram of Burdock Root, all these things have helped
me greatly, without side effects and I would recommend
them to anyone, but you really have to discover just what
works for you, good luck!



Re: A working/lasting cure for Acne

Posted by
thessa on March 29, 2002 at 12:28:19:

In Reply to: A working/lasting cure for Acne posted by Mike on March 29, 2002 at 11:17:47:

By george I think you've got it! Thanks for sharing...

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Re: A working/lasting cure for Acne - to Mike

Posted by kmd on March 29, 2002 at 12:54:35:

In Reply to: A working/lasting cure for Acne posted by Mike on March 29, 2002 at 11:17:47:

That is so great, thank you for posting!!!! I have been considering doing the one day a week water fasting. Let me ask you, does this cause your weight to yo-yo quite a bit? I am concerned that the fasting day each week may put my body into the conservative mode of "holding on", so that the metabolism slows way down and when you eat normally the rest of the week your body puts as much of that into new fat storage in preparation for the next possible fast.

The only thing that didn't make sense to me about your post was saying that you had "craters" and now your skin is "smooth". Acne craters are scars which cannot be erased, as far as I understand. Pimples and bumps and redness all fade, but the pock-like divots (craters)?




Re: A working/lasting cure for Acne - to Mike

Posted by R. on March 29, 2002 at 16:20:07:

In Reply to: Re: A working/lasting cure for Acne - to Mike posted by kmd on March 29, 2002 at 12:54:35:

When I fasted once a week, my weight stayed the same. You are not going to make your body accumulate extra fat during whole week just because you didn't eat one day.



Re: A working/lasting cure for Acne - to Mike

Posted by Roy on March 29, 2002 at 16:30:28:

In Reply to: Re: A working/lasting cure for Acne - to Mike posted by R. on March 29, 2002 at 16:20:07:

R, do you still fast ? What were the benefits to you, if any.?

I would be worried about weight loss. I'm trying to keep what I've got. I read the book reviews on amazon, and someone stated a nice side benefit of fasting was losing weight. I imagine I would compensate by eating more the other 6 days. At any rate, I'm definitely interested in the idea of fasting. There's quite a bit of stuff out on the 'net on Bragg and his book, and I like what I read. I think I prefer this over the bowel cleansing approach. Seems gentler and more natural.



Re: A working/lasting cure for Acne - to Mike

Posted by kmd on March 29, 2002 at 16:47:42:

In Reply to: Re: A working/lasting cure for Acne - to Mike posted by R. on March 29, 2002 at 16:20:07:

It is well-known that fasting decreases the body's metabolic rate. Everything slows down so that the body can adjust to getting through the fast with no incoming calories. As soon as the person begins to eat again, they are doing so with the metabolism slowed way down. Therefore, they tend to gain more weight more quickly and may well end up heavier than they were before the fast.

I used to have "Fit or Fat" by Covert Bailey, I lent it to somebody a long time ago and never got it back. This book explains the process.

When I did the 4 day Seneca Indian Cleansing Fast, I lost a lot of weight in that 4 days but within one week off the fast I had gained 3 extra pounds I did not want!

My concern is that by fasting one day per week, you will be forced to lower your consumption the other 6 days if you do not want to gain fat (weight).

Somebody please point me to information that shows this not to be true!



Re: A working/lasting cure for Acne - to kmd and Roy

Posted by R. on March 29, 2002 at 17:20:10:

In Reply to: Re: A working/lasting cure for Acne - to Mike posted by kmd on March 29, 2002 at 16:47:42:

My dad used to fast once a week, and he didn't have the problem you're describing. Neither was it my experience. I have also done a "lemonade" diet (lemon juice, cayeene pepper, maple syrop) for about 7 days. I lost lots of weight and it took me a looooooong time to get it back. I should add that I was and still am neither overweight or underweight.

As a matter of fact, my mom have also fasted, and she didn't have "your" problem either.

Perhaps, how you exit a fast effects, to a large extent, what happens to the food you will start to eat. When you begin increasing your food intake, your metabolism also begings to speed up, and that is also well known. And if you do that gradually (as you should), you will probably not have the problem.

For what it's worth.



Re: A working/lasting cure for Acne - to Mike

Posted by R. on March 29, 2002 at 17:27:06:

In Reply to: Re: A working/lasting cure for Acne - to Mike posted by Roy on March 29, 2002 at 16:30:28:

Roy, I didn't notice any benefits (this is not to say that it wan't useful). All I noticed is that I looked like I spent some time in a German concentration camp, and my tongue cleared up by the end of my fast. But then it covered up again.

Currently, I control my acne with low carb/high protein and fat diet. Completely no bread or other wheat based food. Almost no potatoes. And no sugary fruits. Some nonstarchy vegs, plenty of animal food (large part of it is raw and rare). My animal food includes meat, fish, eggs (mostly raw), kefir, butter, cream. Recently I found raw goats milk.

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Re: A working/lasting cure for Acne

Posted by Sensual Sadie To Mike on March 29, 2002 at 17:59:52:

In Reply to: A working/lasting cure for Acne posted by Mike on March 29, 2002 at 11:17:47:

I agree with your theory, but I think the b5 makes a huge difference. I also was able to improve skin really well on just 3grams of b5. I dont agree with the much higher doses. I think they are too excessive.

3g was all I needed to control breakouts. It was like a miracle. I plan on resuming again shortly. Its a toss up between b5 and the pill at this stage. With the pill, although it clears my skin, I get other problems with it, such as moody, breast tenderness, lack of sex drive, etc.

But fasting I am sure would help, I am not sure it would cure the problem though.

Sadie



Re: A working/lasting cure for Acne - to kmd and Roy

Posted by kmd on March 29, 2002 at 18:46:02:

In Reply to: Re: A working/lasting cure for Acne - to kmd and Roy posted by R. on March 29, 2002 at 17:20:10:

It's worth a try! Maybe I am SO hungry after fasting that I do go overboard. I will remember to have more restraint the first few days after in the hopes to get the metabolism rate up.

Any idea why I had an increase in both hunger and intense cravings for a long time following my 4 day cleansing fast? I've gained 10lbs since the fast. These are unwanted pounds as I was at my perfect weight and happy there. These pounds are as "stubborn" to lose now as they have been in the past. It seems once I hit a certain point, I have to fight very hard to break through and get down there again.



Re: A working/lasting cure for Acne - to kmd and Roy

Posted by R. on March 29, 2002 at 19:55:02:

In Reply to: Re: A working/lasting cure for Acne - to kmd and Roy posted by kmd on March 29, 2002 at 18:46:02:

When I studied fasting, I learned that breaking a fast (long term one) must be gradual. This gradual return should take about the same number of days as lenght of the fast. If this is new to you, then maybe you should take some time learning about this.

I don't have an answer about your weight gain. However, I want to ask you this: are SURE those 10lb are extra? I know you didn't want them, but maybe your body needs them. Do you know that women produce some estrogen in their fat tissues? This explains why many woman gain weight during and after menopause. I don't know if your estrogen is low, but some women have unreasonable and unhealthy goals for their weight.



Re: A working/lasting cure for Acne

Posted by R. on March 29, 2002 at 19:58:32:

In Reply to: Re: A working/lasting cure for Acne posted by Sensual Sadie To Mike on March 29, 2002 at 17:59:52:

the pill, although it clears my skin, I get other problems with it, such as ... lack of sex drive, etc.

Sounds like a good contraceptive :)

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Nonsense

Posted by Mike on March 29, 2002 at 22:12:37:

In Reply to: Re: A working/lasting cure for Acne - to Mike posted by kmd on March 29, 2002 at 16:47:42:

Listen, this is a totally false misconception. Regular
fasting reduces your appetite, it decreases hunger
cravings, thus you tend to eat less and you do not gain
any weight, if anything your weight stays quite balanced,
I have always been athletic, but have always had a "few
extra pounds," a little extra here and there, since I
started fasting, I have been in the best shape of my
life, I eat less then I used to, but I have a lot more
energy, I am far more active and I find fasting makes
concentrating easier, it has had nothing but positive
effects for me.

What I recommend you do is for 3 days, eat nothing
but fresh fruits, vegetables and drink juice and
distilled water, then after those days, resume a normal
diet for a couple of days, after that, try fasting for
3 days, nothing but distilled water. I found that the
first 2 days were tough, by the 3rd day I was feeling
really good though, for acne and such, the biggest
benefit will be seen after about 4 or 5 days, it takes
awhile but once you reach that point, it seems a natural
healing mechanism takes over and the body only improves
every fast afterwards. I would recommend that you take
it slow though, try 2-3 days first, then 1 day a week,
and then after a bit, go for 7-10 days, after that just
continue to maintain it with 1 fast day a week, and by
eating lots of whole foods, lots of fruits, vegetables,
organic grains, natural foods and such, I promise you'll
see and feel a TREMENDOUS difference after a month, even
more so after 6 months to a year, believe me it works,
disregard what you may have heard, if you want some good
reading, do check out "The Miracle of Fasting" by Patricia
and Paul Bragg.



Re: Nonsense

Posted by kmd on March 29, 2002 at 23:54:35:

In Reply to: Nonsense posted by Mike on March 29, 2002 at 22:12:37:

Thanks for the tips! I feel very good about moving forward with some fasting. I can do the 3 day fruit and vegetable fast, however I would like to go from there to the once a week water fast.

I can't imagine fasting for 3 days, let alone 7-10 days on nothing but water because when I did the 4 day Seneca Indian Cleansing Fast (which included different things on different days - one day only certain fruits, one day only herbal teas, one day only vegetables, and one day only vegetable broth), my strength was GONE and I could barely walk up the stairs in my house by the end of the 3rd day. I felt very shaky and extremely weak. I did feel my head and thoughts clearing up though! I had positive benefits for sure, but the weakness was excessive.

Maybe I have blood sugar issues that I'm not aware of or am of a metabolic type that becomes very weak with prolonged fasting. Any ideas? Once a week should work for me, right?



Re: A working/lasting cure for Acne - to kmd and Roy

Posted by kmd on March 30, 2002 at 00:01:00:

In Reply to: Re: A working/lasting cure for Acne - to kmd and Roy posted by R. on March 29, 2002 at 19:55:02:

Hello, yes I am sure those 10lbs are "extra", because there is a weight range in which I feel very good and anything over that I do not look or feel like I want. Even just 5lbs. too much on me makes my legs look fatty to me. When I lose it, I have good muscle tone showing through.

Walt said recently that a woman should weigh 100lbs. for the first 5 ft and then 3lbs. for every inch over 5 ft. According to that, I am currently 11 lbs. over. According to various height and weight charts, I am within my range but now at the high end of it where I prefer to be at the lower end.



Re: A working/lasting cure for Acne (Archive.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on March 30, 2002 at 08:38:57:

In Reply to: A working/lasting cure for Acne posted by Mike on March 29, 2002 at 11:17:47:

Thanks, Mike.

Congratulations! Your sharing will help others not give up trying alternatives to the allopathic monopoly.

Namaste`


Walt

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Re: A working/lasting cure for Acne - (Archive in fasting.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on March 30, 2002 at 08:45:17:

In Reply to: Re: A working/lasting cure for Acne - to Mike posted by kmd on March 29, 2002 at 12:54:35:

NMI

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Re: A working/lasting cure for Acne

Posted by Universal reactor on March 30, 2002 at 15:45:10:

In Reply to: A working/lasting cure for Acne posted by Mike on March 29, 2002 at 11:17:47:

Did you know that allergies can cause acne? Most people who feel better while fasting have food allergies and sensitivities and feel better because their immune system has been given a break.



Re: Nonsense

Posted by R. on March 30, 2002 at 19:49:06:

In Reply to: Re: Nonsense posted by kmd on March 29, 2002 at 23:54:35:

Yes, I wanted to warn those who have blood sugar issues. I'd expect them to very poorly during a fruit fasting. I'd be careful. There are other ways to detox, not just fasting. As a matter of fact, our bodies constantly detox ourselves. Make sure this process is at its optimum.



115 lbs for a 5'5'' woman? That's ridiculous!

Posted by R. on March 30, 2002 at 19:54:07:

In Reply to: Re: A working/lasting cure for Acne - to kmd and Roy posted by kmd on March 30, 2002 at 00:01:00:

Walt must have gotten these numbers from a similar source where he got his idea that saturated fats are dangerous to health.



Good point! nmi

Posted by R. on March 30, 2002 at 20:20:38:

In Reply to: Re: A working/lasting cure for Acne posted by Universal reactor on March 30, 2002 at 15:45:10:


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Re: Nonsense

Posted by kmd on March 30, 2002 at 23:49:28:

In Reply to: Re: Nonsense posted by R. on March 30, 2002 at 19:49:06:

I don't know if I have blood sugar issues but was just speculating that could be the reason why I got SOOOOO weak during my 4-day S.I. fast.

If that is the case, should I not fast at all? Do some kind of moderated fasting?



Re: Nonsense

Posted by Bliss Bomb to KMD on March 30, 2002 at 23:53:44:

In Reply to: Re: Nonsense posted by kmd on March 30, 2002 at 23:49:28:

Yes, that is the same reason I felt extremely weak when fasting for a day. Blood sugar drops. Try having a small piece of fruit if you feel this way.

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Re: Nonsense (thread about fasting)

Posted by Jan to kmd on March 31, 2002 at 02:04:15:

In Reply to: Re: Nonsense posted by kmd on March 30, 2002 at 23:49:28:

KMD - People are different! Some just don't do well with fasting. This is not failure, it's individuality. There are other ways to detox, as R. pointed out.

Eating a piece of fruit, as Bliss Bomb suggested, would satisfy an Agriculturalist trying to fast, while it would fan the flames of hunger, for a Hunter/Gatherer - who must have regular protein. (Do you know which end of the continuum you are on?)

There could be other factors, too.

--------

These are some posts I saved :

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 12, 2002 at 08:34:14:

In Reply to: Question about fasting for LGS posted by Need a plumber on January 10, 2002 at 08:41:59:

Hi, Need.

Fasting for more than 3 days always causes muscle wasting. This can be prevented by starting Seacure supplements (at least 6 capsules twice a day) on the second day and continuing so long as any fasting is taking place.

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Posted by Helping You on January 12, 2002 at 12:29:10:

In Reply to: Re: Question about fasting for LGS Preventing muscle wasting. (Archive in fasting.) posted by Walt Stoll on January 12, 2002 at 08:34:14:

That is an excellent idea!! There is only about 4g of protein in 12 caps of SeaCure but the quality is incredible. It would also help with LGS. I have to remember that. Thanks Walt!

-HY

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Re: A working/lasting cure for Acne

Posted by
thessa on March 31, 2002 at 02:56:27:

In Reply to: Re: A working/lasting cure for Acne posted by Universal reactor on March 30, 2002 at 15:45:10:

Yes, and if you continue to use fasting your allergies could be completely eliminated.



Make that 4 lbs/inch over 5'

Posted by Roy on March 31, 2002 at 03:09:15:

In Reply to: Re: A working/lasting cure for Acne - to kmd and Roy posted by kmd on March 30, 2002 at 00:01:00:


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Re: 115 lbs for a 5'5'' woman? That's ridiculous!

Posted by Walt Stoll on March 31, 2002 at 08:59:33:

In Reply to: 115 lbs for a 5'5'' woman? That's ridiculous! posted by R. on March 30, 2002 at 19:54:07:

R.

Where did you get these numbers?

I said the medical text book says #100 for a '5 woman and #4/inch over '5. That adds up to #120 NOT #115. Besides this is for an average build.

Walt



Thessa, do you have a reference?

Posted by Universal reactor on March 31, 2002 at 09:00:01:

In Reply to: Re: A working/lasting cure for Acne posted by thessa on March 31, 2002 at 02:56:27:

I have never seen this point (that fasting eradicates food allergies) in the literature; can you cite a reference for me? Also, one cannot *continuously* fast or fast forever; at some point food will have to be eaten!!



Re: 115 lbs for a 5'5'' woman? That's ridiculous!

Posted by kmd on March 31, 2002 at 10:43:00:

In Reply to: Re: 115 lbs for a 5'5'' woman? That's ridiculous! posted by Walt Stoll on March 31, 2002 at 08:59:33:

Thanks Walt, that was my mistake. I thought you said 3lbs. for each inch instead of 4.

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Re: 115 lbs for a 5'5'' woman sounds perfect to me

Posted by Reader on March 31, 2002 at 18:23:07:

In Reply to: Re: 115 lbs for a 5'5'' woman? That's ridiculous! posted by Walt Stoll on March 31, 2002 at 08:59:33:

All I know is that as a 5'7 1/2 inch woman, if I weighed 128, I would be very flabby. I am my best at 118-119. Being small-boned has something to do with it, and people can't generalize about what is the best weight for people based on their height. Also, a lot of people find weight charts ridiculously high, and those charts often say I should weigh about 135. I once did, and I was chubby and out of shape looking.



Re: 115 lbs for a 5'5'' woman sounds perfect to me

Posted by R. on March 31, 2002 at 18:27:24:

In Reply to: Re: 115 lbs for a 5'5'' woman sounds perfect to me posted by Reader on March 31, 2002 at 18:23:07:

Perhaps, if you had a higher muscle to fat ratio, you wouldn't be chubby at 135 lbs. I also don't think that these ratios are very useful as it doesn't seem to take into account muscle/fat ratio well if at all.

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Re: 115 lbs for a 5'5'' woman sounds perfect to me

Posted by B.B. on March 31, 2002 at 18:27:35:

In Reply to: Re: 115 lbs for a 5'5'' woman sounds perfect to me posted by Reader on March 31, 2002 at 18:23:07:


Reader

My PCP and I have arguements in reference as to how much weight I want and need to lose. When I told him I wanted to go back down to around 125 pounds he had a discussion with me on how we age, so therefore I'd need to be around 160-180. I'm 5'7'.

It's interesting to hear someone else speak as I do about weight charts.



A 5'7" woman 160-180 lbs ??? Please. nmi.

Posted by No fat chicks. on March 31, 2002 at 18:56:09:

In Reply to: Re: 115 lbs for a 5'5'' woman sounds perfect to me posted by B.B. on March 31, 2002 at 18:27:35:




Re: A 5'7" woman 160-180 lbs ??? Please. nmi.

Posted by Bliss Bomb To No fat chicks on March 31, 2002 at 19:08:35:

In Reply to: A 5'7" woman 160-180 lbs ??? Please. nmi. posted by No fat chicks. on March 31, 2002 at 18:56:09:

I think your comment about no fat chicks is very rude. Who do you think you are? Be careful you dont one day find yourself in the same situation. Everyone is beautiful in their own way, not just the way society says they should be.

And for the record I am not overweight but that does not make me or you any better than anyone else.

Think before you write such insensitive dribble. It hurts peoples feelings.



Re: 115 lbs for a 5'5'' woman sounds perfect to me

Posted by Vince F on March 31, 2002 at 19:35:45:

In Reply to: Re: 115 lbs for a 5'5'' woman sounds perfect to me posted by Reader on March 31, 2002 at 18:23:07:

I think everyone has a weight that they feel best at. Years
ago I was 10lbs less than what was recomended at the time
and I Felt Great. It felt like by body was churning inside
or maybe it was energy. Many people said that I looked too
thin but they had strange motives. I liked the way I felt
so wasn't interested in gaining just to make them happy.
Soon after the Ins industry lowered their weights and I was
Right where they said that I should be and felt good about
that.

Injuries have made me gain weight and it felt Real good
when I could drop the extra lbs. First before I was functioning better
and second because I just move easier. Last night talking
to a guy I know who is overweight he complained when
geting up and how hard it was with the extra lbs he is
carrying. I told him that everything he does it is like he
is carrying a tool box around. I know because I would like
to loose about 20 lbs. Being 6' and 200 lbs no one thinks I
am heavy but if I Could loose it I would probably function
better even with my limitations.

About other people. I like thiner people but personality
is as important. Heavy people with a bad attitude really
turn me off.

VF

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I agree - that was very unkind and hurtful. Be more considerate! (NMI)

Posted by kmd on March 31, 2002 at 21:42:23:

In Reply to: Re: A 5'7" woman 160-180 lbs ??? Please. nmi. posted by Bliss Bomb To No fat chicks on March 31, 2002 at 19:08:35:

nm



Re: I agree - that was very unkind and hurtful. Be more considerate! (NMI)

Posted by Sensual Sadie to No Fat Chicks on March 31, 2002 at 22:37:57:

In Reply to: I agree - that was very unkind and hurtful. Be more considerate! (NMI) posted by kmd on March 31, 2002 at 21:42:23:

Next time think about others feelings! That was poor taste!



I would like to apologize...

Posted by No fat chicks. on March 31, 2002 at 23:27:56:

In Reply to: Re: I agree - that was very unkind and hurtful. Be more considerate! (NMI) posted by Sensual Sadie to No Fat Chicks on March 31, 2002 at 22:37:57:

I was commenting on B.B.'s PCP who suggested a weight of 160-180lbs for a 5'7" woman. That's obviously not a healthy weight, regardless of the size of her frame. My comment wasn't directed at B.B.. I couldn't tell from her post what her actual weight is. Sorry for my original message and I can see now that it was unnecessarily hurtful.



Re: I would like to apologize...

Posted by kmd on March 31, 2002 at 23:32:45:

In Reply to: I would like to apologize... posted by No fat chicks. on March 31, 2002 at 23:27:56:

Thank you! :o)



Re: I would like to apologize...

Posted by Sensual Sadie to No Fat Chicks on March 31, 2002 at 23:50:16:

In Reply to: Re: I would like to apologize... posted by kmd on March 31, 2002 at 23:32:45:

Thanks for being gracious enough to admit an error in judgement.

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Re: Thessa, do you have a reference?

Posted by
thessa on April 01, 2002 at 06:04:39:

In Reply to: Thessa, do you have a reference? posted by Universal reactor on March 31, 2002 at 09:00:01:

Hi Universal. Actually I made that statement not thinking of a particular reference, but connecting the things that are connected or related to allergies (lgs, toxic liver, low immunity, chronic stress response) with fasting.
So I have gone off looking for some references and found that "they" usually refer to fasting as part of a program for eliminating allergies. Sorry I can't point you toward a very specific correlation between the 2... Thanks for asking.
Books: Prescription for nutritional healing Balch, Health Healing Page,
links: http://www.mrbean.net.au/~wlast/Part6.htm
http://www.curezone.com/dis/1.asp?C0=33
Here's a good discussion in the archives: http://askwaltstollmd.com/archives/fasting/44308.html

Oh, by the way, have you ever heard of Jasmuheen? She is the leader of the breatharian movement in these times, she will give you detailed instructions on fasting forever if you are interested! Very interesting reading indeed, but think I'll stick to eating!




Re: I would like to apologize...

Posted by B.B. on April 01, 2002 at 06:37:55:

In Reply to: I would like to apologize... posted by No fat chicks. on March 31, 2002 at 23:27:56:

No Fat Chicks

I didn't post my weight as I'm not any where near what my PCP suggested. Just read the board this morning. Sorry, but my PCP's suggested weight looks really nice right about now, even at 5'7". At least you apologized due to the other board members.

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Re: 115 lbs for a 5'5'' woman sounds perfect to me

Posted by Reader on April 01, 2002 at 10:05:43:

In Reply to: Re: 115 lbs for a 5'5'' woman sounds perfect to me posted by B.B. on March 31, 2002 at 18:27:35:

I often wonder what the motivation is for doctors to recommend such high weights for women. 160-180 is overweight for just about any woman, unless she's unusually tall. I think we have to ignore weight charts and keep the weight goals we know are right for us. I wonder if you should consider seeing a female doctor - yours seems rather out of touch!



Re: Thessa, do you have a reference?

Posted by Sensual Sadie To Thessa on April 01, 2002 at 17:45:25:

In Reply to: Re: Thessa, do you have a reference? posted by thessa on April 01, 2002 at 06:04:39:

Be careful with the breatharian movement and in recommending it. Where I live, there was a case of a woman who died from following their religious way of life. She believed, as they did, that she could live indefinitely on air. Of course, she was tragically proven wrong. Just be cautious anyone interested in this movement.

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Re: 115 lbs for a 5'5'' woman sounds perfect to me

Posted by B.B. on April 01, 2002 at 20:06:13:

In Reply to: Re: 115 lbs for a 5'5'' woman sounds perfect to me posted by Reader on April 01, 2002 at 10:05:43:


Reader,

Thanks for understanding. I'm planning on going down to the weight which I feel comfortable with and not what the doctor dictates. I've got a long way to go and therefore will NOT give my weight. I saw what happened by not giving it in the first place anyway.

After this evening, I'm planning on lurking and not posting. Besides, there's a ton of information available in the archives for me to get lost reading.:-)

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Alternative Energy Input for the Human Body (for Thessa)

Posted by
Gregory on April 02, 2002 at 00:58:06:

In Reply to: Re: Thessa, do you have a reference? posted by thessa on April 01, 2002 at 06:04:39:

There is are a couple of other ways to get energy into the human body, which are of
a more "complementary" rather than "exclusive" method of what we call eating.
While the exact procedure is detailed in The Manifestation Book of Archangel Michael,
it basically consists of taking energy in through the spleen and then
through a series of metaphysical techniques, stepping down the solar energy
into something the body can use. I could see this technique as a handy way to
get nourishment, when travelling to a country where the food might not agree
with you, or during a fast. While I cannot actually recommend it for long-term
use (as of yet. there are enlightenment and acsendency issues to work out), I do
think in the coming times as we reawaken to the fact that we are energy beings,
techniques such as these will once again come to the fore.

Lightwalking,
Gregory



Re: Alternative Energy Input for the Human Body (for Thessa)

Posted by
thessa on April 02, 2002 at 13:24:44:

In Reply to: Alternative Energy Input for the Human Body (for Thessa) posted by Gregory on April 02, 2002 at 00:58:06:

Yes, I am very intrigued by these types of methods. Indeed there are many in the yoga tradition that I have not been taught yet. And a few simpler ones that I use with success. Readings and short periods of fasting have convinced me that it is absolutely possible to go without food if one knows how. But I haven't done long periods of fasting, so perhaps my view will change after that. I still have a lot of attachment to food, and of course this is the biggest reason some of us our stomping our feet and moving s-l-o-w-l-y along the way in the direction you speak.

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Posted by Try ON LINE Calculator: on April 03, 2002 at 17:28:24:

In Reply to: I would like to apologize... posted by No fat chicks. on March 31, 2002 at 23:27:56:

5'-7" 115# that is the highly unhealthy sceleton!

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The body mass was defined as the ratio
between body mass (Kg/#) and the cube of stature (m/").
It is an index of the relative mass of the body, and allows the comparison between the masses of subjects having
different stature.

http://www.wam.umd.edu/~leey/KNES300L/anth/fslid4.htm

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For 115 # 5'-7.5" waist 30:

Your "Ponderal Index" is 13.88 which gives an estimated body fat of -4.3% (-4.9 pounds of fat)

Looks like you better put on some weight!

Estimate #2 based on hips size and weight
Estimated body fat of 14.5% (16.7 pounds of fat)

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The perfect weight for 5'-7.5" should be around 143.6# for hips 32" were (Ponderal Index) Estimate #1 = Estimate#2 (based on waist size and weight)

Estimate #1 based on height and weight
Your "Ponderal Index" is 12.89 which gives an estimated body fat of 15.8% (22.6 pounds of fat)

Estimate #2 based on waist size and weight
Estimated body fat of 15.7% (22.6 pounds of fat)

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5'-7.5" woman at 145# with small frame may be chubby and overweight, while 5'-7.5" 170# very athletic muscular woman may not be at all overweight.

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