Acne and Accutane historical posts January 1998

Re: RE: Accutane

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 02, 1998 at 11:02:56:

In Reply to: RE: Accutane posted by John on December 31, 1997 at 11:58:13:

Dear John,

It is rare that any teenager is willing to do what is necessaray to resolve this problem. They ALL say that they want to do whatever it takes to have clear skin EXCEPT learn anything OR change anything about their lifestyle.

Having said that, I would not try to prejudge her by saying that she is not going to be the first exception I have heard of. If she will use the search feature of this BB, & read everything about acne she would at least get an idea if she wants to pursue it further.

NO ONE SHOULD EVER TAKE A PRESCRIPTION MEDICATION WITHOUT FIRST READING THE ENTIRE PACKAGE INSERT FIRST. Anyone can go to the library reference section & the librarian will find Accutane in the PDR so anyone can read it. I know of few people who would take Accutane having read the facts about it. HOWEVER there are a lot of people who would sooner take a dangerous pill than put work into their lifestyle. You figure.

ANYHOW, you cannot do this for her. It is SHE that must do the work. Since you HAVE a teenager, you KNOW what I mean about that not being likely to be worth pursuing.

I am still looking for that teenager who cares enough about their skin to actually do the work. I hope this is the one.

Walt



Re: Accutane and alternatives

Posted by Gerald on January 05, 1998 at 21:31:29:

In Reply to: Re: Accutane posted by Walt Stoll on November 02, 1997 at 11:40:29:


Accutane and the other conventional acne drugs like doxycycline, tetracycline and erythromycin work well for some and not for the others.

I would like to ask whether taking zinc supplements help in curbing acne.


Re: Accutane and alternatives

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 06, 1998 at 11:30:26:

In Reply to: Re: Accutane and alternatives posted by Gerald on January 05, 1998 at 21:31:29:

Dear Gerald,

I have heard of some who did see benefits with at least 100 milligrams of zinc twice a day. However, taking zinc with vitamin C, E & A, along with the zinc and essential oils (see my note about essential oils on the homepage of this 'site (link on this page) helps a lot more people sooner.

As I have said many times, solving a problem like this will never be something you TAKE but something you DO. I see nothing wrong with getting temporary benefits so long as you know what they are temporary while you look into what you can do to deal with your causes.

Walt



Re: Accutane

Posted by Jennifer on January 08, 1998 at 10:08:23:

In Reply to: Re: Accutane posted by Walt Stoll on September 25, 1997 at 12:12:54:

Is depression one of the side affects of Accutane?



Re: Accutane

Posted by Lisa on January 08, 1998 at 23:44:00:

In Reply to: Re: Accutane posted by Jerry on December 12, 1997 at 03:52:17:

I'v been on accutane for 4 months and it helped my skin tremendously. I suffered some minor side effects but it was totally worth it. My skin looks great and I owe it all to this wonder drug.


Re: Accutane

Posted by Tom Barry on January 09, 1998 at 14:08:52:

In Reply to: Re: Accutane posted by Walt Stoll on November 30, 1997 at 10:53:29:

Walt, My 20 year old daughter has been told to try accutane
How bad is it are you an MD?

thanx

Tom


Re: Accutane

Posted by James Zintz on January 09, 1998 at 21:40:17:

In Reply to: Re: Accutane posted by Tom Barry on January 09, 1998 at 14:08:52:

Tom,

There is an abundance of information on this board about Accutane. Use the "search" function (click on the underlined word "search" near the top of the bulletin board page and enter "Accutane" to get all sorts of information from participants as well as comments by Dr. Stoll). You will find that there are those who feel they have reduced their symptoms and those who report side effects and return of symptoms.

For a listing of the side effects, you can probably get your pharmacist to give you a packaging insert or let you look at the PDR. Or you can check the PDR at your local library or on the Net.

If you read past postings you will notice that Dr. Stoll believes that acne can be cured by methods covered on his Home Page and in his book. A major problem is getting one who is afflicted to "take the cure" when there is promise of instant relief from a drug. It takes some sustained discipline and effort. Dr. Stoll has repeatedly stated that it is a rare youngster who will do what is required. It is, after all, you, not your daughter who is inquiring. She would have to be willing to take full responsibility for managing her condition. Dr. Stoll has always been willing to answer specific questions from those on the path of healing.

Information regarding Dr. Stollís standing as a medical professional is documented on his Home Page.

Jim



Re: Accutane

Posted by tyler on January 10, 1998 at 03:41:24:

In Reply to: Re: Accutane posted by Kevin on November 24, 1997 at 22:13:41:

I would'nt take accutane if I were you. I took it three years ago and im still trying to figure out whats wrong.
It apparantly not only dries out your facial oil glands, but your entire bodies secreting glands--Bad news.


Re: Accutane

Posted by Tyler on January 10, 1998 at 03:55:49:

In Reply to: Re: Accutane posted by Walt Stoll on November 25, 1997 at 14:34:15:

If anyone reads this who is considering taking Accutane I highly reccomend
you dont. I took the drug three years ago and Im still trying to reverse the damage.
Accutane not only dries up your facial oil glands but also your entire bodies
secreting glands. Try a cleanse to take care of acne, or a homeopathic doctor.


Re: Accutane

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 10, 1998 at 10:47:09:

In Reply to: Re: Accutane posted by Jennifer on January 08, 1998 at 10:08:23:

Dear Jennifer,

Since Accutane effects everyone differently, the only person who can answer that for you is the physician who prescribed it for you (Presumably after getting to know you and doing a complete physical exam--why do you think it is available by prescription only?). Docs are not just supposed to write the prescription, take your money, & run. However, as you well know, there are plenty of them who do just that BECAUSE patients let them do it.

NO ONE SHOULD EVER TAKE ANY PRESCRIPTION DRUG WITHOUT FIRST READING THE ENTIRE PACKAGE INSERT. Pharmacists are supposed to offer that with any prescription OR, better yet, let you read it before buying the drug. If you don't want to get it from your pharmacist, go to the library & ask the reference librarian to help you find it in the PDR.

Walt



Re: Accutane

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 10, 1998 at 11:25:50:

In Reply to: Re: Accutane posted by Lisa on January 08, 1998 at 23:44:00:

Dear Lisa,

I hope you are one of the ones who are still singing the praises of this "wonder drug" after a year or so.

Walt



Re: ALTERNATIVE TO ACCUTANE!

Posted by Anne Tan on January 11, 1998 at 04:23:20:

In Reply to: Re: ALTERNATIVE TO ACCUTANE! posted by ACNE HELP on December 31, 1997 at 23:38:21:

I had been on antibiotics and Diane-35 Ed for the past one year. There were however no visible improvements in my acne



Re: Accutane

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 11, 1998 at 10:43:53:

In Reply to: Re: Accutane posted by Tom Barry on January 09, 1998 at 14:08:52:

Dear Tom,

I have practiced as a Board Certified Family Practitioner for more than 30 years. I have been an MD for 35.

I would suggest you use the search feature for this BB to read everything under the subjects of Accutane and of Acne.

THEN, if you still have questions, write again.

Walt


Re: Accutane

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 12, 1998 at 10:37:25:

In Reply to: Re: Accutane posted by Tyler on January 10, 1998 at 03:55:49:

Dear Tyler,

I appreciate your support for what I have been saying for a couple of years now. I think that, in extreme cases Accutane might be worth the risk. There are many better ways to handle a problem like acne. However, they ALL take learning on the part of the person with the problem. Most of us would prefer taking a pill so we wouldn't have to do the painfull process of thinking.

Most times this is NOT the fault of the patient but the result of the AMA brainwashing the public for the past 100 years to think that our way is the only way to think. "If you can't trust your doctor, who CAN you trust?" This is one of the main reasons I wrote my book: people need to experience that simpler, safer, less expensive AND more effective ways exist IF the patient is willing to learn.

Hopefully, your note will turn some people toward learning.

Walt



Re: Accutane

Posted by G on January 12, 1998 at 22:05:21:

In Reply to: Re: Accutane posted by Walt Stoll on September 25, 1997 at 12:12:54:

I went on a 4 month program of Accutane 40mg per day. During the second month the hair on the top of my head began to thin out. My doctor attributed this to natural male pattern hair loss, I did not think that this was the case as i am a healthy 22 year old male. I finished the 4 month program but for 1 month after I stoped the treatment the hair on the top of my head continued to fall out. It is only starting to slow down now. Was this caused by the Accutane ? and will it ever grow back to its original fullness ?


Re: Accutane

Posted by PAULA on January 13, 1998 at 09:55:54:

In Reply to: Re: Accutane posted by tyler on January 10, 1998 at 03:41:24:

U TELL THE TRUTH,IT IS VERY BAD,I HAVE BEEN OFF IT FOR 10 YEARS NOW BUT I STILL LIVE WITH THE SIDE EFFECTS,I WOULD TAKE MY ACNE BACK ANYDAY....


Re: Accutane

Posted by paula on January 13, 1998 at 10:05:34:

In Reply to: Re: Accutane posted by Walt Stoll on November 25, 1997 at 14:34:15:

stay away from accutane,very dangerous and will cause permanant side effects,that is 100% proven.i was a sufferer of cystic acne,a very severe form of acne and i would gladly take it back,but its too late for me,but not for others who will heed my warning..................


Re: Accutane

Posted by DEBBIE on January 14, 1998 at 08:06:47:

In Reply to: Re: Accutane posted by PAULA on January 13, 1998 at 09:55:54:

I finished a course of Accutane 12/96, and I am still experiencing problems with hair loss, joint aches, extremely sensitive skin all over and fatigue. And ironically, I am now breaking out in places I never had a problems with before. I would gladly go back to the lifestyle of continued antibiotic therapy coupled with cortisone injections.
What I have gained is no comparison to what I have lost.



Re: ALTERNATIVE TO ACCUTANE!

Posted by sharon low on January 14, 1998 at 09:14:40:

In Reply to: Re: ALTERNATIVE TO ACCUTANE! posted by ACNE HELP on December 31, 1997 at 23:38:21:

my doc recommended me to use isotrex which I understand is a form of accutane as I hv complained about very oily skin despite being in my late 30s. I'm on this treatment for the last 1 week. Am curious to hear more about yr 'alternative'.
thanks n kind regards


Re: Accutane

Posted by Jane on January 14, 1998 at 13:13:36:

In Reply to: Re: Accutane posted by paula on January 13, 1998 at 09:44:03:


Herepes? You probably already had it, and the drug created a reaction within your body to make the hereps surface....


Re: my skin after Accutane

Posted by Heather on January 14, 1998 at 15:50:28:

In Reply to: my skin after Accutane posted by Hayden Ferri on November 19, 1997 at 15:11:51:

I am 20 years old, I had to continue with
Accutane an extra month than my doctor had originally planned,
this was in June. Over the summer my skin looked great
but now I'm beginning to believe that was due to my
skin's exposure to the sun. I have found now that I am
beginning to break out again, not near as bad as before
Accutane though, and it also does take longer to heal.
I am really glad I chose to take Accutane, after seven
years of Retin-A and acid peals, I was willing to try
anything!


Re: Accutane

Posted by paula on January 15, 1998 at 01:40:12:

In Reply to: Re: Accutane posted by Jane on January 14, 1998 at 13:13:36:

no,im sorry but that was not my case,if u really read about accutane like i did u will see that a few cases have reported herpes as a side effect,besides that i know that i didnt catch the disease from anyone because i am not now nor have been a sexually active person..trust me i know my sex life.


Re: Accutane

Posted by paula on January 15, 1998 at 01:43:27:

In Reply to: Re: Accutane posted by Jane on January 14, 1998 at 13:13:36:

besides that,the other side effects that i live with now are just as bad as herpes if not worse,so either way accutane will never ever be recommended by me,and i discourage any use of that destructive drug.......


Re: Accutane

Posted by paula on January 15, 1998 at 01:51:50:

In Reply to: Re: Accutane posted by DEBBIE on January 14, 1998 at 08:06:47:

yep,i would never ever recommend that drug to anyone,it gave me side effects that i wont tell my best friend about.it has made me a bitter person,not to mention a depressed person and i am just now getting where i can talk about it.i figure if i can reach just one person out there then i have done alot.


Re: Accutane

Posted by paula on January 15, 1998 at 01:53:54:

In Reply to: Re: Accutane posted by Richard on November 02, 1997 at 00:08:58:

well look on the bright side,your still alive,thats more than some people can say who have taken that suicide pill....


Re: Accutane

Posted by James Zintz on January 15, 1998 at 08:59:49:

In Reply to: Re: Accutane posted by paula on January 15, 1998 at 01:51:50:

There are some things you can do about your condition. I have been reading this board long enough to know that herpes is a virus. If you were to follow some of the recommendations of Dr. Stoll, you could strengthen your immune system. You will ALWAYS have the herpes virus with you, but your immune system can suppress it. On Dr. Stollís Home Page, you may also find life style choices that will help with the depression. I know this was so for me. Sounds strange, but emotional health responds very well to diet, exercise, and relaxation (If you really do it). Itís not easyÖÖno, I mean ITíS REALLY NOT EASY!! Talk is cheap. You can read people on this board who write "I watch my diet pretty carefully" and "I eat fairly well." That wonít do it. Try "perfect" as described in Beth Loiselleís book. You will be amazed.

Good Luck



Re: Accutane

Posted by Berenice on January 15, 1998 at 14:27:55:

In Reply to: Re: Accutane posted by Walt Stoll on November 02, 1997 at 10:59:35:

My daughter has been taking accutane for last two months, the acne seems to be drying out, however a rash is appearing on her body and now on her face. I'm worry about it because she's getting very depress and so am I.Please advice me. Thanks.


Re: Accutane

Posted by Berenice on January 15, 1998 at 14:35:43:

In Reply to: Re: Accutane posted by Tahnee Dewhurst on December 05, 1997 at 20:54:12:

Did get some rash on your body or face? What did you use as mosteriser?


Re: Accutane

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 15, 1998 at 16:12:41:

In Reply to: Re: Accutane posted by G on January 12, 1998 at 22:05:21:

Dear G.,

This probably WAS related to the Accutane. This exact question was answered several times right here on this BB within the past month.

Please use the search feature of the BB to look for anything you can find about Accutane & side effects of Accutane. Then, if you have more questions, write again.

Walt



Re: Accutane

Posted by paula on January 15, 1998 at 20:47:31:

In Reply to: Re: Accutane posted by James Zintz on January 15, 1998 at 08:59:49:

well u are intitled to your opinion,and i know what that medicine done to me,im not gonna sit here and say that everyone who gets on accutane will get herpes but there is a very small percentage who can get it,and my dear that is a proven fact...


Re: Accutane

Posted by James Zintz on January 15, 1998 at 23:58:27:

In Reply to: Re: Accutane posted by paula on January 15, 1998 at 20:47:31:

Paula,

I was not disputing where the herpes came from, only saying that you can do something about it.

I wish you success.

Jim


Re: Accutane

Posted by paula on January 16, 1998 at 00:48:35:

In Reply to: Re: Accutane posted by James Zintz on January 15, 1998 at 23:58:27:

oh,i have done something about it but that doesnt take away the other dozen side effects that i got from accutane.i can only hope that it doesnt effect other people the way it did me,and i discourage the use of it to everyone that asks...


Re: Accutane

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 16, 1998 at 17:42:18:

In Reply to: Re: Accutane posted by paula on January 13, 1998 at 10:05:34:

Dear Paula,

Thanks for your warning. Since there are better ways to deal with acne, that have only positive side effects, why would ANYONE take Accutane with their eyes open?

The only difference is that the healthy ways take learning & work. Many people would rather do anything to avoid THAT painful process.

Walt





Re: Accutane

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 16, 1998 at 18:37:59:

In Reply to: Re: Accutane posted by DEBBIE on January 14, 1998 at 08:06:47:

Dear Debbie,

Unfortunately BOTH of the approaches you mentioned are VERY damaging in the long run. Why not just get rid of it by learning?

If you are interested, use the search feature for this BB & read everything you can find about acne, accutane & the like. THEN, if you have questions write again.

Walt



Re: Accutane

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 16, 1998 at 18:41:09:

In Reply to: Re: Accutane posted by Jane on January 14, 1998 at 13:13:36:

Dear Jane,

I agree with you. HOWEVER, having said that, what does that mean? It means that Accutane was enough of an additional burden to her immune system that this could happen.

If you want to read a perfect example of how this works, go to the home page (link on this page) & read the article about "Stress & Immunity".

Walt



Accutane / cystic acne

Posted by Olga Gerrard on January 16, 1998 at 21:06:23:

I have just filled my first RX for Accutane, and am hoping for a resolution for my on-going battle with cystic A. A few questions however, before I take my first pill... #1 Is the only reason I am supposed to wait for the 2nd or 3rd day of my period to confirm that I am not pregnant? ( I am not sexually active, so can I begin on any day if I am positively not pregnant?)... #2 - I get cold sores every few months despite taking Lyseine, zinc etc... is the Accu. going to excite the herpes simplex? #3 - I drink socially... 2 glasses of wine, maybe 2 beers 4x week... is it absolutly necessary to stop entirely? #4 - I am a Nicorette addict (no, I don't smoke, but am addicted to the stuff; I know, this is odd..) Does Nicoteine impact Acu.?
Thank you so much for your response (if you have the time) and the service you provide here.. Olga Gerrard
I am an extremely healthy 37 Y/O F, work out, eat a low fat diet etc.etc.etc...
PS: Someone needs to tell "Paula" to relax... her postings are frightening...


Re: ALTERNATIVE TO ACCUTANE!

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 17, 1998 at 09:21:01:

In Reply to: Re: ALTERNATIVE TO ACCUTANE! posted by sharon low on January 14, 1998 at 09:14:40:

Dear Sharon,

I have yet to see a case of acne persist beyond 3 months of anyone eating a whole foods diet (preferably less than 20% of total calories as fat), 3 times a week aerobic exercise and practicing an effective form of skilled relaxation 20 minutes twice a day.

The protocols for all three of these practices is in the resources section of my new book (link below).

Oily skin may be resolved just by using the essential oils also covered in my book. It will at least be improved. Those wanting more effect will want to add one, or more, of the above to the oils.

Walt



Re: my skin after Accutane

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 17, 1998 at 09:38:05:

In Reply to: Re: my skin after Accutane posted by Heather on January 14, 1998 at 15:50:28:

Dear Heather,

I would suggest you read every note about Accutane & Acne submitted on this date. Use the search feature provided & type in january 14. THEN, if you still have questions, write again.

Walt



Re: ALTERNATIVE TO ACCUTANE!

Posted by Shevy Biala on January 17, 1998 at 21:51:00:

In Reply to: Re: ALTERNATIVE TO ACCUTANE! posted by ACNE HELP on December 31, 1997 at 23:38:21:

pklease send info


Re: Accutane

Posted by Lee on January 18, 1998 at 08:00:36:

In Reply to: Re: Accutane posted by tyler on January 10, 1998 at 03:41:24:


You said that you finished a course of accutane 3 years ago. Id like to no if u were left with any significant scarring.
I am 19 years of age, and started getting acne about 7-8 months ago. It got quite bad so i started a course of accutane. I was on it for 5 months and the acne disappered completely. But i have been left in a depressed state as the acne has left behind a significant amount of scarring on my cheeks and around my mouth. The scarring looks fairly shallow. I was hoping you could give me some relieving information from your own experiences.

Any information at all would be greatly appreciated.


Re: Accutane

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 18, 1998 at 10:27:09:

In Reply to: Re: Accutane posted by Berenice on January 15, 1998 at 14:27:55:

Dear Berenice,

Use the search feature provided with this BB & read everything you can find about acne, accutane and the like.

This is not a hard thing to clear up without the accutane UNLESS the individual (your daughter) is a teenager. Most teenagers think they know everything already and are not willing to learn anything to help themselves ESPECIALLY since it would require them to change their preferred lifestyle. Most teenagers with acne will SAY they are willing to do anything to have clear skin. However, when they find our that they have to learn something AND change something, they soon lose interest & look for the magic treatment. THERE IS NO MAGIC TREATMENT but there are solutions.

Good luck. I raised 4 children & now am watching the same characteristics in my grandchildren. YOU cannot solve this for her & neither can I. We CAN point her in the right direction.

Walt



Re: Accutane

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 18, 1998 at 11:08:50:

In Reply to: Re: Accutane posted by paula on January 15, 1998 at 20:47:31:

Dear Paula,

The herpes virus, both types 1 & 2, are everywhere. One does NOT have to be sexually active to get it if their imunity is low enough. The Accutane did not give you herpes since there is no virus in Accutane. What it DID do was push your system enough closer to the cliff that you could no longer prevent its breaking out.

Go read the article Immunity & Stress. . Then, if that makes sense to you, also read the article Modern Medical Interpretation of Stress. . My new book is written with people like you in mind (link below). If you want to avoid things like this happening to you in the future, you would profit by getting that basic information under your belt.

Walt



Re: Accutane / cystic acne

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 18, 1998 at 13:05:50:

In Reply to: Accutane / cystic acne posted by Olga Gerrard on January 16, 1998 at 21:06:23:

Dear Olga,

Have you read the entire package insert for Accutane?

It is MY opinion that no one should ever take any prescription medication before reading the package insert in totality.

Walt



Re: Accutane

Posted by Debbie on January 19, 1998 at 16:56:05:

In Reply to: Re: Accutane posted by Walt Stoll on January 16, 1998 at 18:37:59:

I have been under the care of a dermatologist for 30 years for cystic acne. During this time, I have been treated with
short term courses of varied oral antibiotics, longer usage of varied topical antibiotics, varied drying agents and cleansing agents, injections of cysts when they did not respond to anything else, retin a, benzac wash, etc.. This approach has been very conservative compared to friends who have experienced much more radical treatments with less favorable results. My health has remained excellent during this time, scarring is minimal, skin color is pretty even. It was only after treatment with a low dose of Accutane that my health faltered - along with my falling hair. Forgive me if Idon't understand your
assertions that sporadic use of antibiotics, etc. are dangerous is the long run. That just hasn't been my
experience.



In reply to: RE: Accutane/and Dr Stoll

Posted by MMBleakley on January 20, 1998 at 16:29:45:

In Reply to: Re: RE: Accutane posted by Walt Stoll on January 02, 1998 at 11:02:56:


It is rare that you find a teenager willing to care enough about their skin to do the work it takes?? Surely you jest
Doctor!! I think you underestimate the power of adolescent vanity. As a teenager I tried everything to clear my skin
including my eating habits, cleaning routine, stress manage-
ment etc. Accutane was unheard of at the time (20 years
ago) ,and in my family you didn't see a doctor unless you had one foot in the grave-we just couldn't afford it even with insurance. So I read all the self help skin care books I could find. My acne was borderline severe at the time but not cystic- but it did turn cystic in my 30's. It's then that I took Accutane. For me it worked wonders. I understood all the possible side effects-and was prepared just in case-but
I was lucky and had none. The issue of pregnancy is very
serious and an adolescent should be made aware of the
of this even if she tells you she is not sexually active.
I wish Accutane had been an option for me as a teenager
it would have saved me alot of grief and time that could have been better spent on other issues such as self-esteem and education!!!
And so to John-please take your daughters feelings seriously -just as seriously as you would want to be taken.
Then go from there.
To Dr. Stoll- I apologize for criticizing your reply to John and I know I am no doctor but I couldn't not reply. I know adolescents that would be, and are willing to do " the work"
I am answering on their behalf also.


Re: Accutane

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 21, 1998 at 14:44:47:

In Reply to: Re: Accutane posted by Debbie on January 19, 1998 at 16:56:05:

Dear Debbie,

Humans are not machines. EVERYONE responds differently to Accutane, antibiotics, tranquilizers, antidepressants, etc.

All I am saying about antibiotics is that they increase every person's susceptibility to dysbiosis and that is one of the main causes of persistant acne.

For acne to have persisted for 30 years, you MUST have ongoing factors that are causing it. All your dermatologist is doing is reacting to your complaints & doing NOTHING about your causes.

I would suggest you invest some of your time & effort to learning a lot more about WHY this problem has persisted in your case. ONE of the possibilities is that the antibiotics finally DID cause dysbiosis and you stil have it because of that.

Learning is a lot of work. You should not have acne that lasts 30 years.

Walt



Re: Accutane

Posted by Kevin on January 22, 1998 at 02:01:36:

In Reply to: Re: Accutane posted by Walt Stoll on January 16, 1998 at 18:41:09:


My daughter has been on accutane for 3 months. There had been some fairly good improvement, however, the acne is getting worse again?! Has this happened to anybody and at what point does/should one get off the accutane? I have tried to emphasize nutritional support but with little results in her acknowledgement of how this may help but not necessarily cure the acne. Does anybody know where I can find supporting evidence for nutritional support? Thanks


Re: In reply to: RE: Accutane/and Dr Stoll

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 22, 1998 at 12:56:49:

In Reply to: In reply to: RE: Accutane/and Dr Stoll posted by MMBleakley on January 20, 1998 at 16:29:45:

Dear MM,

So you are to be congratulated for being on of the rare ones! Remember, I have had more than 30 years of experience with this & had a reputation for being one of the few physicians who was willing to take the time with the patient to get cooperation for this kind of effort on their part.

My reason for even mentioning it was to prepare the parent for not bing too disappointed if the child didn't cooperate with a plan that took a lot of effort on the part of the child.

No apology needed on your part. I welcome any constructive criticism on the part of ANYONE. I KNOW my training, experience & commitment is far ahead of the average Family Practitioner. If ANYONE does not understand what I am saying, there are probably plenty of others who have misunderstood as well (and didn't have the guts to speak up as you have) and your criticism gives me a chance to clarify issues.

Thanks, Walt



Re: Accutane

Posted by paula on January 22, 1998 at 22:08:09:

In Reply to: Re: Accutane posted by Walt Stoll on September 25, 1997 at 12:12:54:

accutane is just like any other drug.everyones body will respond differently,however i do strongly believe from my own experience and from what i read here that accutane is something i think u should stay away from..it hust has too many side effects that will last a life time.


Re: Accutane

Posted by Anthony Moore on January 23, 1998 at 18:44:56:

In Reply to: Re: Accutane posted by Marie on December 31, 1997 at 00:13:10:

My wife is about the try Accutance but we are concerned about the possible harmful side effect. We're planning to have another child in a few years and we've heard that the potency of Accutance last several years after you've stop taking it and would effect the child. Could you give any information on this?


Re: Accutane

Posted by WITH-HELD on January 24, 1998 at 21:10:19:

In Reply to: Re: Accutane posted by DEBBIE on January 14, 1998 at 08:06:47:

I AM ON MY FIRST DAY OF TAKING ACCUTANE AND AM HORRIFIED AT WHAT IVE READ ON THIS MESSAGE BOARD.
MY HUSBAND SAYS TO THROW THEM AWAY-
WHAT IVE BEEN LONGING FOR IS A FACE I CAN LOOK
AT IN THE MIRROR.I WAS CERTAIN WHEN MY DOCTOR INTRODUCED ME TO THIS-INSURRING
IT WAS THE LAST OF MY EFFORTS TO FIND THE "FIX"
FOR THIS FACE:-(
MY HUSBAND IS DUMBFOUNDED WHY MY DOCTOR WOULD CHOOSE THIS METHOD OF TREATMENT.



Re: Accutane

Posted by Josh Lower on January 25, 1998 at 00:21:06:

In Reply to: Re: Accutane posted by Kevin on January 22, 1998 at 02:01:36:

I have used accutane in the past when i was 17. I am now 21, and have no problems since. The only side effects i had while on the medicine were try lips, and sensitvity to the sun. I can assure you nutritution does not play a role with acne. Plese do not let your daughter think that its fried foods, or coke. If u have any other questions don't hesitate to email me.



Re: Accutane

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 25, 1998 at 07:48:30:

In Reply to: Re: Accutane posted by Kevin on January 22, 1998 at 02:01:36:

Dear Kevin,

Much as you care for her & want to help her, it is SHE that needs to want to be well enough to do this kind of research. Nothing either you or I can do will help her if she is not willing to help herself. We can open the doors but she has to walk through on her own. I know how frustrating it is to take the horse to water but have no power to make him drink. However, that is where it is at for your daughter & you (AND I).

My first suggestion is for you to use the search feature provided with this BB & read everything you can find about Accutane, Acne, Accutane side effects and the like. At least you can educate yourself about how to resolve this problem. However, even know ing that, you will not be able to "move" her until she has suffered enough for HER to convince herself that this stuff is worth while trying. THEN, she will see great improvement--not before.

Remember the old saying (too true) that "being faced with 1000 articles, proving the truth of a concept the individual doesn't want to know, s/he will ask for 1001". No amount of "articles" will get your daughter past that point.

I can tell you that in my 30+ years of clinical experience, I NEVER saw a case of acne cleared up by anything but "growing out of it". We had lots of treatments that would give the kind of improvements you have seen with the accutane. Of course, this was during the first 13 years when I didn't know that allopaths did not have all the answers. Once I learned that alternatives were much more effective for chronic conditions (of which acne is one). I never failed to permanently clear one up so long as the person was willing to practice aerobics 20 minutes 3 times a week, eat only an whole foods diet (see Beth Loiselle, RD's book, "The Healing Power of Whole Foods") and learn & practice an effective skilled relaxation technique 20 minutes twice a day. All of these protocols (and the reasons behind them) are fully described in my book (link below).

IF she is willing to educate herself AND decides that she is willing to put in the effort needed to resolve this, I would be happy to answer her questions here on the BB so others might watch her get well. If not, we both are wasting our time. Just love her the way she is & we can both hope her psyche is not too damaged by her appearance during these formative years.

Walt



Re: Accutane

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 25, 1998 at 10:00:05:

In Reply to: Re: Accutane posted by Josh Lower on January 25, 1998 at 00:21:06:

Dear Josh,

I appreciate your "assurance" about diet having nothing to do with acne. However, you have not seen anyone on this BB recommend diet alone, have you?

It is the combination of a whole foods diet, skilled relaxation and aerobics, that alters the endocrinological causes of acne.

If anyone else used the experience of ONE person, to come to the conclusions you are posting, you would be the first to point out its invalidity. I know hundreds of professionals who have learned the same thing I have learned, after over 30+ years of working with hundreds of patients, who have seen diet have SOMETHING to do with acne.

This is an endocrinological condition--not a nutritional one. SO, in that regard, I agree with you but not the way you stated it. Each of the 3 things that help resolve this work in concert to give the person a much greater immunological & stress-effect reserve. This is what, apparently, takes the burden off the glandular system so that the acne disappears. If each approach is worth 3 points, doing 2 of them is worth 9 points & 3 are worth 27 points. They MAGNIFY each others' effects.

This same approach will help relieve nearly any chronic condition. Does THAT help you understand this any better????

Walt



Re: Accutane / cystic acne

Posted by Carey M. Hall on January 25, 1998 at 13:27:46:

In Reply to: Re: Accutane / cystic acne posted by Walt Stoll on January 18, 1998 at 13:05:50:

Dr. Stoll, While I appreciate the importance of reading the material accompanying medication, I find Olga's questions quite reasonable and would be interested in understanding your views as in many cases particular concerns are not necessarily addressed by the instructions. Thanks, Carey


Re: Accutane

Posted by julie on January 25, 1998 at 16:58:38:

In Reply to: Re: Accutane posted by Walt Stoll on November 21, 1997 at 13:29:48:

i have a question about acutane. does it cause premature wrinkles? I know that Retin-A helps prevent wrinkles and I didn't know if Accutane was the opposite or if maybe it also helped prevent premature wrinkles. Also, I have heard that you cannot eat chocolate while using accutane, is this true?



Re: Accutane

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 26, 1998 at 14:00:40:

In Reply to: Re: Accutane posted by WITH-HELD on January 24, 1998 at 21:10:19:

Dear WITH-HELD,

There ARE other options. Use the search feature for this BB & read everything you can find about Accutane, Accutane side-effects, acne and the like. Your answers are there.

If you had read the package insert for the Accutane, you would never have bought it.

THEN, if you still have questions, write again.

Walt



Re: Accutane / cystic acne

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 27, 1998 at 13:15:54:

In Reply to: Re: Accutane / cystic acne posted by Carey M. Hall on January 25, 1998 at 13:27:46:

Dear Carey,

I understand your comments but do not agree with them. If you had taken the time to use the search feature of this website, and read everything already posted about Accutane, you would see that I have answered these concerns a number of times.

Also, if you have ever read the package insert for this stuff, you would know that it covers everything known about the substance. This is because the package insert is mainly for CYA of the drug comapny. They cover stuff that is not even appropriate just to be sure THEY are protected.

Finally, I have mentioned MANY times that Accutane effects everyone differently. The only person that could answer her questions is the physician who gave her a complete workup BEFORE prescribing it. Why do you think it is available only by prescription? The doc is not supposed to just take the money & run.

If YOU had taken the time to read all the notes already on the BB aobut Accutane, you would not have written your note.

I am trying to respond to nearly 80-100 requests a day. I do not need to repeat myself ad infinitum. It is up to the individual wanting the information to apply themselves once I point them in the right direction.

Think about it.

Walt



Re: Accutane

Posted by Debbie on January 27, 1998 at 13:43:00:

In Reply to: Re: Accutane posted by Jess Moore on January 26, 1998 at 21:12:09:

'Normal' teenage acne does not warrant the use of accutane. It is a drug of last resort. There are many less severe treatments that can be effective for many people.
Acne cannot be cured, but in many cases it can be effectively controlled. No one wants to see their teenage son or daughter experience acne, even if it is something they will eventually grow out of. I know because I am a parent of 3 teenagers; and because I am still suffering the side effects of accutane 14 months after I stopped using it.

And YES, I did read the product information thoroughly as well as talk to my pharmacist; none of which prepared me
for the health problems I am dealing with now: hair loss, extreme skin sensitivity, burning sensations in my joints,
urinary tract difficulties, etc. AND I AM NOT ALONE.

Seek professional treatment from a dermatologist who is familiar with other options, NOT from a well meaning but
less informed general physician. In most cases, the redness can be controlled and the breakouts minimized until the child grows out of it.

Waiting out the acne is a MUCH better alternative than subjecting your child to potential severe side effects asociated with accutane.

I AM NOT A PHYSICIAN. I can only tell you what the product literature does not adequately express. You and your child will have to decide if the risks are worth it.





Re: Accutane

Posted by CAROL on January 27, 1998 at 14:26:54:

In Reply to: Re: Accutane posted by Walt Stoll on January 25, 1998 at 10:00:05:

I HAVE JUST STARTED TAKING ACCUTANE AND HAVE MANY SIDE EFFECTS DRY LIPS, HEADACHES, JOINT PAIN AND RED BLURRY EYES. WHAT IS THE LEAST AMOUNT OF TIME YOU CAN TAKE THIS DRUG AND GET POSITIVE RESULTS. IF YOU KNOW PLEASE E-MAIL ME. I FEEL LIKE GOING OFF THE ACCUTANE AND JUST DEALING WITH ACNE.


Re: Accutane

Posted by Scott on January 27, 1998 at 15:23:07:

In Reply to: Re: Accutane posted by DEBBIE on January 14, 1998 at 08:06:47:

My sentiments exactly. After four months of Accutane, I'm left with scars, red blotchy marks, and continued peeling of my skin. It's been two months since I stopped the treatments and my skin is still peeling and leaving marks behind. What seems unusual about my experience is that I have marks and scars on places that I didn't even have acne. It's like my face is breaking down and falling apart. I had no idea this could possibly happen to me. I read and researched about all the side effects before I went on the medication but never encountered anything like this. It's left me extremely depressed. I wish I never had heard of the drug Accutane. Sorry for the length of the message but I needed to get this off my chest.


accutane

Posted by Trina on January 28, 1998 at 01:17:12:

Im am concidering taking accutane but am a little worried about a side affect . It was said that changes in mood were one. I take Elavil, 125mg a day. This was first perscribed for anxiety and panic disorder. It is a antidepressant. Would or could there be a bad interaction with the combo of both. I have been taking elavil for about 4yrs. I have had great results with it.


Re: accutane

Posted by Jim on January 28, 1998 at 09:50:09:

In Reply to: accutane posted by Trina on January 28, 1998 at 01:17:12:

Trina,

I have been reading the posts on this board for over six months now, and there is a lot of information about Accutane. You would do well to scroll down the main board and open some of the numerous posts, or go to the search function and enter "Accutane" to see what it gives you. I have read many posts by patients of Accutane who warn of some pretty ugly side effects. There are also posts from those who have seen good results. The latter posts are usually from those who have just begun, and the former from those who were on it longer. That is my observation anyway.

I used to be on an anti-depressant also but no longer need it since I began practicing Dr. Stoll's recommendation of a whole food diet, exercise, and meditation. I know that sounds simplistic, but it's not, it is a real adventure. Visit the Home Page and look around. You may be glad you did.

Jim





Re: Accutane

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 28, 1998 at 13:52:33:

In Reply to: Re: Accutane posted by Debbie on January 27, 1998 at 13:43:00:

Dear Debbie,

I agree with nearly everything you have said here. HOWEVER, at least 99% of all dermatologists would offer nothing BUT conventional treatments----ALL of which I am fully cognizant with. I am one of those generalists you think don't know enough. However, I developed the only self-instructional slide tape for dermatology for the school of allied health in KY. I, at least, knew enough to assemble more than 700 slides to teach basic dermatology to students at the medical center.

There ARE alternative options to management of this condition. As I have said many times, I have yet to see one case of teenage acne that did not resolve, within 6-12 months, of following a whole foods diet, practicing effective skilled relaxation 20 minutes twice a day and aerobics 20 minutes 3 times a week. None of these cost anything and are vastly beneficial for general health as well. I challenge you to find a dermatologist who will mention any of these.

Walt



Re: Accutane

Posted by Amber on January 29, 1998 at 01:15:56:

In Reply to: Re: Accutane posted by Walt Stoll on January 25, 1998 at 10:00:05:

I am 18 years old and I have had acne since I was 11. I finally started treatment with accutane about 6 months ago and experienced wonderous results. For the past six months I have had perfect skin and minimal side effects. For the first time people actually complimented me on my skin!
I finished treatment about 3 three weeks ago and I am noticing that my skin is getting oily again and I'm starting to break out a little on my forehead, cheeks, nose, and chin. It's not bad at all, but since I havn't had acne for the past 6 months I'm wondering what is going on. Will My skin go back to the way it was before? Did I do something wrong? Is my body undergoing a transition? Will I have to go through a secondary treatment. Please answer. Thankyou.




Re: Accutane

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 31, 1998 at 09:25:03:

In Reply to: Re: Accutane posted by Amber on January 29, 1998 at 01:15:56:

Dear Amber,

You are in desperate need for KNOWLEDGE. You (as well as anyone suffering from a chronic condition--of which acne is one) cannot expect someone else do your thinking for you--no matter how much you pay them.

The only person who can answer your questions is the doc who prescribed it for you (after, I'm sure, doing a complete history, physical & laboratory work up on you). Why do you think Accutane is available by prescription only? Docs are not supposed to just write you a prescription & then take the money & run. The reason docs make so much money is that it is their responbsibility to know how any particular medication will effect that person AND to fully explain that to the individual.

To start learning what you need to know, I would suggest you use the search feature provided with this BB & read everything you can find about Accutane, Accutane side effects, acne, and the like.

THEN, if you have more questions, write again.

Walt



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