Acne and Accutane historical posts June 1998

Re: Accutane-from the horse's mouth

Posted by Kyra Kitts on June 01, 1998 at 01:31:54:


Dear Horses's Mouth,

Sounds more like it came from the horse's other end. Accutane is a DANGEROUS drug. "Rare" side effects are in fact quite common. Any double-blind crossover study can be statistically skewed in favor of the observer's financial interests. The empirical evidence as to the long-term, even permanent, effects of Accutane is ghastly. I would never take this travesty of a drug. Its chief beneficial(?) effect is to fill wallets. A holistic, self-empowered lifestyle with attention to hormone imbalance, in my opinion, is far more effective than a teratogenic pharmaceutical suppressor in regards to cystic acne. Would the CEO of Hoffmann-LaRoche let his/her son or daughter take this stuff? Don't be naive. There are far more self-educated health care consumers than you know. Or is this what you are alarmed about? You can't gloss over even the REPORTED 12 suicides. Where there's smoke, there IS fire. I'm not impressed with your dabbling in "truth in reporting." If Accutane is really that great, then benefit humanity and give it away for free to everyone.


Kyra Kitts



Re: adverse reaction to accutane

Posted by steve on June 01, 1998 at 10:05:43:


Barbara,

I finished a 6 month course a year and a half ago. I experienced what I hear and see many Accutane patients go through......... great improvements at first and then after some time eventually more breakouts. "They" say that this is rare and only occurs in what 1% of the patients...... Go figure......... I've talked to sooo many of this small 1% group........ I guess the "masks" wear off eventually.....

Well, I went one step worse, not only did I breakout again but, now I had cystic acne like never before. My neck and lower cheeks were blown uo with red, painful cysts. In retrospect I'd have to say that I experienced extreme stress of having the "WONDER DRUG" fail and me being in that "EXTEREMELY RARE" 1% group of people the drug didn't work for. My dermotogist recommended a second course..... I haven't seen him since ........

I experienced the joint pain your talking about and I also just didn't feel "Myself" for a long while. I wouldn't recommed the drug to anyone, especially a teenager extremely depressed and stressed over the situation anyway.

As of now, a year and a half later, I feel like I'm in better control of my body. I watch my diet and I do my best to destress using relaxation techniques. I've just touched the tip of the iceberg in regards to all this knowledge BUT...... What I've learned already has helped me to have the best complexion I've had in 15 years. Just wait till I learn more ! ! !
I guess a few great things acne has brought me is to understand and respect my body and how the medical profession works.

And I just thank god that I refused a second course of Accutane. I really don't think that anyone really understands the long term side effects of the drug. I believe a second course would have been a great physical and mental struggle for mysef.





Re: How Many Course of Accutane is Too Much?

Posted by Walt Stoll on June 01, 1998 at 12:15:52:

Dear Charley,

Each time one takes accutane the % chances of a bad reaction goes up. Everyone is different so no one can predict when you will have yours. However, it is a little like Russian Roulette.

When you have no other options, Accutane may be your only choice, even repeated doses. However, from your note, it looks like no one has yet offered you anything except something you take.

As I have said so many times, right here on this BB: "Chronic conditions like this one will never be resolved by something you TAKE but by something you DO."

When you are ready to learn what options you have about something to DO (as well as why you still have acne long after puberty), use the link:
archives and read everything you can find about acne, accutane and accutane side-effects.

THEN, if you still have questions, write again.

Walt



Re: accutane

Posted by Carolyn Strzok on June 01, 1998 at 13:58:01:

I just wanted to ask a question. I have been off of accutane now for about six months. All of my pimples have come back. This is the worst my face has ever looked. I am going back to the doctor on Wednesday. Is it to my advantage to go back on accutane? I read the leaflet and it said that some people need two doses for the medicine to be effective. Is this true? I don't want to spend all of that money and it is not going to work. Please respond.


Re: accutane

Posted by JDR on June 10, 1998 at 13:16:37:

In Reply to: Re: accutane posted by Carolyn Strzok on June 01, 1998 at 13:58:01:

I'm reading these posts considering Accutane for myself after my mom's urging. She swears by it but it did take her two treatments for it to be effective. The first was about 10 years ago and didn't really seem to be that effective and her acne persisted almost as bad as before the first accutane treatment. Her dermatologist suggested trying it again about 2 years ago and the results were dramatic- totally unlike the first time. For the first time since she was a teenager, she has a nearly flawless complextion and it has remained that way. So I know at least in her case, the second treatment was vastly more effective than the first. Good luck


Re: accutane

Posted by Walt Stoll on June 12, 1998 at 15:35:04:

In Reply to: Re: accutane posted by JDR on June 10, 1998 at 13:16:37:

Dear JDR,

SO, once again, your mom has succeeded in cutting the wires that go to her door bell. Why do you think she insists on not listening to the message her bodymind is trying to tell her? OR, do you think she really thinks that her acne is an Accutane deficiency disease (grin)?

If you are not familiar with the "doorbell" here is the story: There was once a man sitting on the couch watching TV when his doorbell started ringing. Being a true "couch potato" he didn't want to get up to answer the doorbell. However, it just kept ringing. SO, finally he just got his nippers & cut the wires that went to the doorbell. Sure enough, it stopped ringing. Unfortunately for him, it happened to be his neighbor trying to warn him that his house was on fire!

This is the way nearly all of the medications I learned to use in medical school work. The reason for acne is always an imbalance of how the glandular system is working. Puberty is the first big imbalance that most of us get. The ones that don't get acne are the ones with a genetic reesistance to that imbalance causing acne. Those who still have it when they are well past puberty had better look to why they still have a glandular imbalance rather than just cutting the wires. Glandular imbalances have a nasty way of showing up as something more serious if we do not heed the relatively gentle message of acne.

You know, one of the marks of someone that is maturing is that they start thinking for themselves. Just because your mom doesn't want to think about WHY she should still have acne at her age is no reason for you not to think for yourself. Use the link: archives and read everything you can find about acne, accutane & accutane side effects. At least then no one can say that at least YOU know your options. Who knows, when your mother sees YOUR acne clear up without the expense & risk of accutane, even she might think twice.

Let us know how you do. It is work but you will be glad you did it.

Walt



Re: accutane

Posted by Walt Stoll on June 03, 1998 at 12:25:48:

In Reply to: Re: accutane posted by Carolyn Strzok on June 01, 1998 at 13:58:01:

Dear Carolyn,

The answers to your questions (and more than you yet know you need) are on this BB. Go to the link archives and read everythingyou can find about acne, accutane & accutane side effects.

THEN, if you still have questions, write again.

Walt



Re: Accutane

Posted by jill saretsky on June 02, 1998 at 13:37:52:

i have been using the same dermatologist now for over 7 years. i am 22, and i have recently switched dermatologists because i wasn't seeing any improvement in my skin. i tried antibiotics, topical, everything. my skin doesn't have really bad acne, more scars than anything. my new dermatologist suggests that i go on acutane. i am a little apprehensive if this is the best medicine for me. please write back with any comments,suggestions or info.



Re: Accutane

Posted by Jim on June 02, 1998 at 20:10:09:

In Reply to: Re: Accutane posted by jill saretsky on June 02, 1998 at 13:37:52:

Jill,

Have you checked the main board or the achives? Click on "Ask Dr. Stoll" at the top or bottom of this window and do a little research on your own. there is a tremendous amount of information about this subject.

Jim


Re: accutane - adverse reaction

Posted by Sonya on June 02, 1998 at 21:00:10:

My son began taking accutane on his 16th birthday. Four months later he was almost bald, 40 pounds thinner, flaky skin, bleeding lips, and nose, could bearly walk from soreness, and was very depressed! After passing out while we were at the Mall, we went for a follow-up appointment with his dermatoligist with concerns. He replied that his symptoms were not caused by the Accutane and he needed to see his regular physician. As a result, his sugar levels had risen to 480 and was diagnosed a diabetic and was put immediately on insulin. He was a healthy boy and now he looks like an aging man. If anyone has also experieced high sugar levels like this please respond!


Re: accutane - adverse reaction

Posted by Laurie on June 27, 1998 at 20:16:50:

In Reply to: Re: accutane - adverse reaction posted by Sonya on June 02, 1998 at 21:00:10:

Sonya, I have a friend who was on accutane from July 97-January 98 and started having hair loss the second month of treatment. She is still experiencing hair loss since stopping the treatment. We just wanted to ask you if you've had any answers from doctors whether the hair will re-grow or at least stop falling out. She has been unable to get help from any of the doctors or the Pharmaceutical Co that makes accutane.
Please reply. Thanks.


Re: accutane - adverse reaction

Posted by Walt Stoll on June 29, 1998 at 09:46:14:

In Reply to: Re: accutane - adverse reaction posted by Laurie on June 27, 1998 at 20:16:50:

Dear Laurie,

Even now, the very best thing to reverse this problem is exactly what would have prevented the need for the accutane in the first place.

Use the link: acne archives and read everything you can find about acne, accutane & accutane side-effects. THEN, if you still have questions, write again.

Walt


Re: accutane - adverse reaction

Posted by Dennis Day on June 23, 1998 at 13:13:36:

In Reply to: Re: accutane - adverse reaction posted by Sonya on June 02, 1998 at 21:00:10:

I am currently on Accutane for my third month now. My sugar level increased ot 28 the first month and then up to 350 370 for the past two months. Since my last blood work two weeks ago I was able to get it back down to 230 by cutting out all (processed) sugars. I only use honey or fruitose. I have not seen any big change yet in my flairups, I might have one or two days that I will go without any major flairups but other than that it continues to go about the same.


Re: accutane - adverse reaction

Posted by Walt Stoll on June 25, 1998 at 14:50:24:

In Reply to: Re: accutane - adverse reaction posted by Dennis Day on June 23, 1998 at 13:13:36:

Dear Dennis,

If accutane was your only option I could understand your putting this much effort in trying to make it work without hurting yourself more.

These options have been discussed so many times right here on this BB that I know you could learn about why you have this problem by doing some reading. If you have trouble finding the subject in the archives let me know.

Walt



Re: accutane - adverse reaction

Posted by Walt Stoll on June 04, 1998 at 11:19:44:

In Reply to: Re: accutane - adverse reaction posted by Sonya on June 02, 1998 at 21:00:10:

Dear Sonya,

It is too bad that you both didn't have the information you still need BEFORE starting the accutane. A serious wellness program will clear up all acne problems within 6-12 months.

A serious wellness program is what he needs to get his health back even now.

It is work and he may sooner die than do it. However, he deserves to know that he has the choice.

Use the link: acne archives.

Read everything you can find about acne, accutane & accutane side-effects. THEN, if you still have questions, write again.

Walt



Re: accutane

Posted by Katherine Potter on June 03, 1998 at 19:27:45:


Hello, I have been on Accutane for 6 mo. now 4 of them on 60 mg. I am very happy so far with treatment which will be reduced soon. my side effects have been muscle aches, fatigue, dry sensitive skin. I will be happy to be off this medication. Will my skin be trouble free after treatment? My pharmacist say's I will have to take it again in a few years. I hope not. I wouldnt want to go through this again. Will my muscle aches go away? I also take alot of vitamins to supposibally help with side effects. Where on the internet can I read about Accutane? If you have any questions feel free to E-mail me.


Re: accutane

Posted by Walt Stoll on June 05, 1998 at 11:37:25:

In Reply to: Re: accutane posted by Katherine Potter on June 03, 1998 at 19:27:45:

Dear Katherine,

Use the link: acne archives and read everything you can find about acne, accutane & accutane side effects.

Then, if you still have questions write again.

Walt



hair loss with accutane ..

Posted by kim turner on June 04, 1998 at 16:28:54:

I was taking accutane for approx. 4-5 months, and have now been off it for 4 wks. I had the usual symtoms, dry lips, sore joints, and the soles of my feet got really sore too. The last 2 weeks of dosage I started to notice a mild hair loss. Now that I have been off, it seems it has really kicked in and I am experiencing a much more intense and rapid hair loss. My hair has thinned alot. I know that this is one of the warned side effects, and from what my doctor said will subside in about 4-6 wks. But am really concerned with the amount of loss. Wanted to know if there is something maybe herbal that will help with this to flush it out of my system.. is it to early to take vitamin A and E to start strengthening my system back up hr Dr. suggested Rogaine but know that after you stop with that, that it may cause hair loss then. And don't really wish to go on another pill that will only cause more problems.. What more can I expect and possibly do hr


Re: hair loss with accutane ..

Posted by Walt Stoll on June 06, 1998 at 12:46:14:

In Reply to: hair loss with accutane .. posted by kim turner on June 04, 1998 at 16:28:54:

Dear Kim,

This is a wonderful example of why I have been trying to educate people as to their other options BEFORE trying the Accutane. The same wellness program that would have cleared up the acne BEFORE taking the Accutane is still your best bet to have the least permanent damage.

Walt



NO ALCOHOL

Posted by Joe on June 04, 1998 at 18:39:53:

I was told that only 2 things would alter the effectivness of ACCUTANE and effect the liver- taking another prescription medication AND alcohol use. Is it still ok to a have a little to drink? And also, do drugs, such as marijuana, affect the liver?


Re: NO ALCOHOL

Posted by Walt Stoll on June 06, 1998 at 12:55:53:

In Reply to: NO ALCOHOL posted by Joe on June 04, 1998 at 18:39:53:

Dear Joe,
This has been specifically discussed in depth many times on this BB. Use the link:
archives and read everything you can find about acne, accutane & accutane side effects. THEN, if you still have questions, write again.

Walt



Re: accutane

Posted by Gary Schwarzkoff on June 05, 1998 at 15:57:43:

I would like to state that it is very important to realize that there are many different types of acne. For some people simply managing their stress levels can determine whether or not they will break out. However, I believe there are many others who no matter how relaxed or happy they might be they will have acne. I being one of those people. I've tried every gel, lotion and cream from ProActive to Karen Herzog's oxygen face cream that costs a fortune and supposedly people like Demi Moore and Uma Thurman use it. I've also been on almost every type of anitbioitc from tetracycline, minocycline, erthromycin. I must say the antibiotics are very helpful but the day you go off them your back to stage one. This can be very painful to have to continuously repeat this cycle. It makes you want to give up and just deal with your acne but you know that is not possible. You want it gone and you will do whatever it takes. Believe me I know what it is like to have to walk around everywhere you go being ashamed and self conscious of the way you look. It is a nightmare. However, modern science has given us something to really work with and that is Accutane. No, it is not the miracle pill but it is the closest thing, hands down. Don't let anyone tell you different. I've done my homework and both of my parents are well established doctors. I know what I am talking about. There are a few concerns before you choose to take this medication since it is quite a powerful drug. Number one is that you are a healthy person, this means being not only physically strong but mentally strong. You can't let your mind lead you into believing that every physical ailment that occurs to you when you are on the medication is a result of the medication. This is rarely the case. Second, you have to be committed. This means making this a top priority in your life and doing or sacrificing whatever it takes to do the treatment properly. This means taking your medication in the morning and evening everyday with food and protecting yourself from the sun and using alcohol or any other drug very moderately. Simply, take care of yourself, your body and mind really need it at this point. Thirdly, there are minor side effects such as dry skin especially lips, eyes and where your acne is. It's not a big deal if your committed to the treatment. It is also very important to be on the right dosage. The dosage levels range from .5mg per kg to about 2mg per kg. I recommend being on a dosage of about 1mg per kg and if your acne is truly the severe case of nodular acne then you might want to be on a dosage as high as 2mg per kg. Again, your doctor knows best but sometimes you doctor can be to cautious, just be aware of this. Because .5mg per kg might not work and all this agony and expense can add up to nothing. Overall, this is a wonderful drug and years of success prove it so give it a test run and remember to be strong. This is not an easy exercise. This is a serious matter but can also a life changing matter. Acne sucks big time and you should not have to live with it. I wish all of you the best of luck. I really mean it.



Accutane

Posted by Sherri Burnett on June 09, 1998 at 23:26:57:

Hi Walt!
You certainly get alot of replies (good & bad)! I'm actually surprised you respond to some of them instead of ignoring them. Well, I'm on here to share with you that I also took Accutane. When I was searching for information, there wasn't so much response. There was one person nervous about starting and another who was taking street drugs while trying Accutane, so I didn't have alot of useful information at that time.

Well, now I've been through it. What I want to say first of all is that no dr. mentioned that the acne is likely to flare-up with hormone changes once a person gets pregnant. That's a pretty important detail in my opinion, being that I am of child-bearing age. My skin never got excessively dry on Accutane. My lips were extremely chapped (porcupines) & my eyes were dry causing blurry vision (due to less secretion in my tear ducts from the medicine). A couple months into the treatment, I had lower back pain whenever I'd lie down in bed or at an exercise class. I didn't know if it was a past back problem surfacing again or if it was one of those body aches they ask you about at those bi-weekly dr. apptmts. Toward the end, I felt like an 85 year old woman in a 25 year old body. My joints were aching and my legs were weak and seemed feeble & I'm a person who likes to be active. When I'd go to run at the reservoir, my legs would be too stiff and feeble to do it, so I went off Accutane at 17 weeks of treatment which is sufficient to have its full effects. My biggest frustration throughout treatment was my lips; they were soooo dry that I had to buy a pair of toenail clippers to use 3 times a day to cut off the dead skin on my lips. I applied a very good moisturizer at least 30 times per day (no joking)! At first I said I was glad I did it but I'd never go through it again. I stopped treatment on March 18th and a month after that, my hair began falling out. There is not noticeable thinning but there is definitely a lot of hair that I can pull off my head on a daily basis. I had thought I was safe since this wasn't a side effect WHILE I was taking the medication nor was it a side effect for the month following while it was still in my system. I'll just have to wait it out.

My husband and I are ready for me to get pregnant. I plan to wait until July since this will be 4 months and there should be no risk of birth defects. However, Roche says a months is fine, my dr said the same, my OBGyn said the same, a pharmacist said the same, and another dermatologist said the same. My dermatologist, on the other hand, said 6 months while I read an article that said 3 months. SO, I'm kind of wondering when the safe time period is??? Can you enlighten me on this subject. My derm. said 6 months because he says he still sees benefits 6 months after treatment. My opinion had been that the Accutane should have cause some glandular changes as far as the amount or way of secreting which should be long-standing it worked properly and this would explain improvement. Now, I've been off Accutane for close to 3 months and I am having flare-ups during menses again and feel like I did before treatment. It was nice to be pretty clear for a couple months but it was not worth taking those pills or the side effects and I would not recommend it to anyone. I had tried everything on the market since I was a teenager and nothing worked the way it should have. I'll be trying your book pretty soon!!! PLEASE REPLY ON THE ISSUE OF WHEN YOU BELIEVE IT'S SAFE TO GET PREGNANT WITHOUT FEELING YOU NEED TO WORRY ABOUT BIRTH DEFECTS LINKED TO THE ACCUTANE???


Re: Accutane

Posted by aj on June 10, 1998 at 10:47:35:

In Reply to: Accutane posted by Sherri Burnett on June 09, 1998 at 23:26:57:

Dear Sherri,
I shall say up front that I am not well versed on the the subject of Accutane, but I DID read on another BB that since Accutane tends to dwell in the fat cells after treatment, it stands to reason that women tend to store Accutane longer than men and that the heavier a woman is, the longer the Accutane will stay in the system. My personal opinion is to WAIT, WAIT, WAIT!!!!!


Re: Accutane

Posted by Walt Stoll on June 12, 1998 at 09:27:10:

In Reply to: Accutane posted by Sherri Burnett on June 09, 1998 at 23:26:57:

Dear Sherri,

Get a copy of Paavo Airola, ND's classic of his life's work: "Every Woman's Book". It will answer your questions and a lot more you need to assure the healthiest pregnancy & baby possible. Both father & mother need to read this at least 2 years prior to conception.

THEN, when you have this under your belt, write again with any questions.

Walt



Re: accutane

Posted by Roxanne on June 14, 1998 at 11:27:07:


I would love any info you have on keeping my skin clear. I have been on Accutane twice, both times with reoccurring acne within 9 mos. to a year. I have thought about trying the drug once more, but it is so harsh and I am not quite sure what the long term effects might be. I have had acne for about 7 years now, and I am ready for something to keep it under control!


Re: accutane

Posted by Walt Stoll on June 16, 1998 at 10:10:53:

In Reply to: Re: accutane posted by Roxanne on June 14, 1998 at 11:27:07:

Dear Roxanne,

Use the link: acne archives.

Then read everything you can find about acne, accutane & accutane side-effects AND the references recommended. THEN, if you still have questions, write again.

Walt



Re: Accutane is Dangerous!!!

Posted by Clemens on June 15, 1998 at 08:30:57:

I'm one of the few percent, who had a very bad experience with Accutane. After the treatment (which was more than sucessfull) severe depressions followed. The Symptoms can be described like being on a horror trip. You feel restless, agressive. The moodswings are the worst. You change from beeing way up, then falling down.
I have contacted Hoffmann LaRoche. In their letter, they try to cover up the links between depression, suicide and Accutane.
If you are interested in further information, feel free to contact me.




Re: Accutane is Dangerous!!!

Posted by Jo on June 18, 1998 at 19:18:35:

In Reply to: Re: Accutane is Dangerous!!! posted by Clemens on June 15, 1998 at 08:30:57:

Please help if you can. My son has taken accutane and become severely depressed. He has lost all interest in school-dropping from a 4.0 pre-med student to infrequently going to classes. He has been off the drug for several months. Has your experience been that mood swings have ceased. Has the drug company made any recommendations to you for relief. Have you sought medical attention. I am not sure what to do next and as you may tell am very distraught. Any help you can provide would be greatly appreciated.



Re: Accutane is Dangerous!!!

Posted by Walt Stoll on June 19, 1998 at 16:51:18:

In Reply to: Re: Accutane is Dangerous!!! posted by Jo on June 18, 1998 at 19:15:49:

Dear Jo,

The solutions to his present problem are the same as the ones that would have resolved his acne without taking the accutane.

Go to the archives to learn what they are.

Walt



Re: Accutane is Dangerous!!!

Posted by Anisa Cott on June 24, 1998 at 17:04:13:

In Reply to: Re: Accutane is Dangerous!!! posted by Jo on June 18, 1998 at 19:18:35:


I'm a medical student doing a summer internship at Case Western psychiatry dept. where we are interested in the association of Accutane and mood. I have read all the articles currently out there and most of them say that any mood changes cease after discontinuation of the drug. Whether your son's depression is due to the Accutane or not, he can be helped by anti-depressants and should consult a psychiatrist. Hope this is helpful. Please contact me if you have any questions or more information!


Re: accutane

Posted by Damon (UK) on June 15, 1998 at 17:25:18:


Dear Dr Stoll,

During the Autumn of last year I underwent a 16 week course of accutane. The dosage was relatively week (40mg/day) given my weight is 64kg. However, my acne cleared up within two weeks,and I remained free from lesions for the entire treatment period.

Within one week of ending treatment, my acne made a comeback. I became very distressed by this situation,but my dermatologist said that it was quite common to have a post-accutane flare up. He advised me to revert back to taking minocin to keep my condition under control.

Having reduced the basal level of acne activity, the minocin became more effective, but within the last month or so (approx 7 months post-accutane), my acne has been noticeably more persistent.

I've taken further advice from another physician. He told me that a post-accutane flare up of this nature was more like a relapse and has suggested putting me on a second course of double strength (1.25mg/ kg of weight).

I'd like to know if this dosage is perhaps a little strong or correct given my background, and secondly will the side effects of drying etc, be far more severe this time around as a result of the dose.

I would appreciate your feedback

Yours gratefully,

Damon (Male, age 26, acne sufferer since age 23).


Re: accutane

Posted by Walt Stoll on June 17, 1998 at 09:57:00:

In Reply to: Re: accutane posted by Damon (UK) on June 15, 1998 at 17:25:18:

Dear Damon,

Isn't it interesting that your "doc" has not made any effort to figure out why you have the acne? Starting at age 23, it certainly is not typical!

If accutane & minocin were your only options, why not? However, I will bet that you were not told any of the options that would really clear this up WITHOUT paying the doc!

Use the link: acne archives and read everything you can find about acne, accutane and accutane side effects. THEN, if you still have questions, write again.

Walt



please help

Posted by lauren seligman on June 16, 1998 at 12:13:44:

Dr Stoll,
your site appears to be offerring just what i have been looking for-a healthy way to solve my acne problems that can avoid resorting to medications (such as accutane) which may have detrimental side-effects on my mental and physical health. The problem is, i have been reading through your archives and posts for an hour now and i keep getting to "if you just start listening to the message your body is trying to tell you, you will solve your acne problems"--well how do i do that? I am searching for the point in what i am reading here and i keep getting caught up in lead ins and information i am already aware of. I am not looking for a quick fix Dr., i would just like to understand the methods that you think can help a person with problematic skin who has been trying to solve the problem for a long time.


Re: please help

Posted by Jim on June 16, 1998 at 12:29:23:

In Reply to: please help posted by lauren seligman on June 16, 1998 at 12:13:44:

Dear Lauren,

You are right, this is a great site. And you are also right that it is time consuming and a little bewildering at first. I have spent the last eleven months reading everything posted here and I'm still learning every day.

I have seen posts by those who claim to have cleared themsleves of acne by following Walt's advice. You can get a good synopsis of it on by clicking on the "Articles On Health" link on the bulletin board page. Look for the article entitled "How To Be Healthy."

Keep reading in the archives and all the way down the board. (When you open the board, let it download all the way, which will take several minutes). The gems are in there among all the crazy arguments about Accutane and such.

Good luck. My time with acne was before the Net or Accutane. I think I understand the misery well.

Jim




Re: please help

Posted by Walt Stoll on June 18, 1998 at 09:42:14:

In Reply to: please help posted by lauren seligman on June 16, 1998 at 12:13:44:

Dear Lauren,

If you follow Jim's suggetions (great ones) you will note that there are 2 references mentioned many times. They are what you need: "Mind as Healer, Mind as Slayer" by Dr Pelletier and, then, if that makes sense to you read a copy of MY book (link on this page).

THEN, if you still have questions, write again.

If you are older than pubertal, the skilled relaxation is the first thing you need to do. Do not even try it unless you are willing to take the time to learn how to do it right.

Walt



Accutane : Side Effects

Posted by Mary K. on June 20, 1998 at 22:50:41:

I have two questions about the drug accutane. I took two courses of accutane and the effects were positive initially. However they did not last. Is there a better drug you could recommend or is going on the course a third time a better option. And second, is there any link between accutane and weight gain ? I have gained a considerable amount since I have been on accutane. It caught my attention because several other people I know took the same drug also and gained weight, ranging from 15-40 pounds. Was there some type of diet I was supposed to be on while on the course that I wasn't told. I noticed that the weight is even harder to lose even with a healthy diet and exercise. Thank you for you time! Mary


Re: Accutane : Side Effects

Posted by Jenny on June 22, 1998 at 11:36:18:

In Reply to: Accutane : Side Effects posted by Mary K. on June 20, 1998 at 22:50:41:


Having taken Accutane myself, let me offer some advice: DON'T DO IT !

At the age of 30, I suffered from adult acne. Until that time I had never had any problems at all with my skin. Not knowing a lot about diet/nutrition and alternative therapies, and feeling pretty desperate, I took Accutane.

The skin on my face became so dry that I had to smear Vaseline on it so it wouldn't crack and bleed. After 4 weeks, I had so much bone and joint pain that I couldn't get out of bed in the morning. At this point, my dermatologist did a bone scan that showed "minimal bone loss." I was yanked off the medication and told that I was one of those people that had a known, but rare, side-effect.

I continued to struggle with skin problems until my lifestyle (stress level, personal life, job) took a turn for the better AND my diet drastically improved. Please, do yourself a favor and look into these options. You may not get an overnight cure, but you may very well be saving yourself a lot of other problems.

If a drug can cause serious birth defects, I don't think that it's a drug to be taken lightly. I'd suggest finding a balance between allopathic and alternative medicine. At 35, I coordinate an osteoporosis intervention project. In order to be well-informed about bone mineral density tests, I had one done recently. I'm 20-25% lower than predicted. Osteopenic. I attribute a lot of this loss to taking Accutane. Do yourself a favor and find an alterntive. It may require alot of effort on your part, but good health is worth it.


Re: Accutane : Side Effects

Posted by Walt Stoll on June 22, 1998 at 12:08:52:

In Reply to: Accutane : Side Effects posted by Mary K. on June 20, 1998 at 22:50:41:

Dear Mary,

As I have said so many times before: "The resolution of a chronic problem like this will never be something one TAKES but something one DOES." Till THIS point gets across, heaven help you.

Go to the link: acne archives and read everything you can find about acne, accutane & accutane side-effects. THEN, if you still have questions, write again.

Walt



Re: Accutane : Side Effects

Posted by Walt Stoll on June 24, 1998 at 09:38:48:

In Reply to: Re: Accutane : Side Effects posted by Jenny on June 22, 1998 at 11:36:18:

Dear Jenny,

Thanks for the testimonial & good advice. When people are ready to learn of their options, it is people like you who will be available to offer them to them.

"When the student is ready, the teacher will be there."

Namaste` Walt



accutane and using other medication

Posted by cj on June 21, 1998 at 20:22:42:

I was considering using accutance, but then I started using benzol peroxide, and it worked pretty well. Most of my acne went away. It is still pretty much gone, but there are always flare ups. I was considering going to go on accutane, because I hate putting on facial cream every morning and night. My face is still reddish, though, that never went away.

Also, I was wondering how many weeks of accutane it takes for a signifigant improvement to be seen. Thanks Dr.

cj


Re: accutane and using other medication

Posted by Steve on June 23, 1998 at 12:13:54:

In Reply to: accutane and using other medication posted by cj on June 21, 1998 at 20:22:42:


CJ.....

From what I understand Accutane should only be used for very severe cystic acne (Which I had). Where your face hurts almost all the time and where the cysts actually can deform your face.

From my Accutane experience I would NOT reccomend the drug unless your 100% desperate. I just would not reccomend putting such a powerful drug into your system for many months.

Like Dr. Stoll will probably tell you read the other posts, read books and talk to others. Just learning what is going on and WHY is probably the 1st step in feeling comforatable with the situation and being able to RELAX ! !

Best of Luck



Re: ACCUTANE

Posted by ANONYMOUS on June 22, 1998 at 11:05:37:


I didn't have any side effects after four weeks besides chapped lips either. Now is a different story.I have been on Accutane for 4 months. Everytime I bend down to pick uip anything of the floor I have to find the nearest piece of furniture to pull myself back up on. It has caused osteoarthritis in my knees. Also I just have recently got back from visiting an internist. My rectal tract is so dried out everytime I use the restroom I have severe bleeding. I consider this pretty serious considering I am only 23 years old. I feel like I'm 70 though!!!


accutane-side effects

Posted by Lizzie on June 22, 1998 at 13:01:07:

I have been on Accutane for a month and a half. Today I woke up with red spots all over my arms. I was wondering if it is related to Accutane because I haven;t done anything that would cause this. Thank you!


Re: accutane-side effects

Posted by Walt Stoll on June 24, 1998 at 09:57:27:

In Reply to: accutane-side effects posted by Lizzie on June 22, 1998 at 13:01:07:

Dear Lizzie,

It certainly COULD. However, the only person who can answer that accurately is the person who did your complete workup BEFORE prescribing the drug. This is why it is available "by prescription only"! It is the responsibility of the prescribing physician to know as much as possible about how you may react.

If you want to know how this works, as well as your other options besides medication, use the link:
acne archives. Then read everything you can find about acne, accutane & accutane side-effects.

THEN, if you still have questions, write again.

Walt



Re: accutane - adverse reaction

Posted by Roney on June 23, 1998 at 14:42:53:


I'm 34 years old and continue to have a chronic acne problem which I chose to ignore for years. To put it in proper perspective, the problem is more of a nuisance rather than a severe acne problem.
I've just been put on an 80mg per day dosage which I started taking today. However, after reading all these negative comments I'm having some second thoughts. Is there anybody out there not having adverse
reactions? Are there some satisfied customers, if so, what type of dosage regiment were you put on and for how long? Did you have any adverse reactions? Also, can anyone suggest a dermatologist forum that can be
accessed through the internet? Looking forward to your comments..



Re: accutane - adverse reaction

Posted by Walt Stoll on June 25, 1998 at 14:54:50:

In Reply to: Re: accutane - adverse reaction posted by Roney on June 23, 1998 at 14:42:53:

Dear Roney,

Before haring off to find yet another "dermatologist" who, almost certainly will take you through the same old trip, you need to educate yourself about WHY you have this at this ripe old age (grin).

This has been discussed so many times right here on this BB that you need to go to the archives & read everything about acne, accutane & accutane side effects (the latter because many of the causes of acne are discussed under those topics).

THEN, if you have more questions, write again.

At your age, this is a message---not a disease!

Walt



Re: accutane/muscle pain - length of side effects

Posted by Cindy DeLeon on June 23, 1998 at 21:20:49:

My daughter is 13yrs 7mos old and has just begun accutane therapy. She has been on the medication only 6 days and today she has indicated a constant pain in her low back.Would you say this is probably a side effect of the medication? How would a physican determine this back pain as a side effect or just a pulled muscle?


Re: accutane/muscle pain - length of side effects

Posted by frank Schuck on June 25, 1998 at 11:05:10:

In Reply to: Re: accutane/muscle pain - length of side effects posted by Cindy DeLeon on June 23, 1998 at 21:20:49:

My son, 17 years, stopped taking accutane after experiencing a severe muscle spasm and constant severe back & muscle pain. This was a result of 2 months of taking the drug. The doctor said, "he's the best judge of the pain he can absorb and he'll have to suck it up". MRIs have shown bone damage (abnormal bone marrow signal) and other doctors have restricted all physical activity pending nature repairing the damage. Accutane has been a bad experience that is far from over.


Re: accutane/muscle pain - length of side effects

Posted by Frank Schuck on June 25, 1998 at 11:10:30:

In Reply to: Re: accutane/muscle pain - length of side effects posted by Cindy DeLeon on June 23, 1998 at 21:20:49:

get her off that drug immediately. The doctors cannot distinguish between a pulled muscle and accutane side effects. My son developed the same pain and we waited too long to stop the drug.


Re: accutane/muscle pain - length of side effects

Posted by Walt Stoll on June 25, 1998 at 15:28:49:

In Reply to: Re: accutane/muscle pain - length of side effects posted by Cindy DeLeon on June 23, 1998 at 21:20:49:

Dear Cindy,

ONLY the prescribing physicain has the information needed to assess this. Of course, this comment is based on the assumption that the prescribing physician did a complete workup prior to prescribing the drug. The reason why accutane is "available by prescription only" is that everyone responds differently and the physician has to know enough about the person to know what to expect.

Unfortunately, most physicians do not take that responsibility seriously and vastly overprescribe this drug. YOU know which this doc is. If this is a responsible doc you can call & find out. If this is not, why are you going there?

Next, this has been discussed MANY times here on this BB. There are MANY options safer, more effective and less expensive that at least you and your daughter need to know about. Go to the link:
acne archives and read everything you can find about acne, accutane & accutane side effects.

THEN, if you still have questions, write again.

Walt



Dr. Stoll, Please Point Me In The Right Direction

Posted by Mike on June 28, 1998 at 17:45:37:

Dr. Stoll,

I am new to the Internet. I am glad I found your web site. I am an 18 year old male. I have suffered from chronic moderate-severe acne since I was about 13. I have been on and off a variety of antibiotics and topicals since that time. I have definitely made up my mind on Accutane. NO WAY. Too many horror stories, as well as some friends with bad experiences.

I do not keep a high-fat diet. Eat no red meat. I am a freshman in college, and play NCAA basketball. I have read through much of your online archives. I have noted several books which seem of interest, and plan to pick them up this week. "The Relaxation & Stress Reduction Workbook" & "Foods That Heal".

I am fit as far as being in shape (muscularly & flexibility). I understand that I have many things to learn. I am very willing. I have very strong willpower, and look forward to making changes in order to be "completely well". I would like to rid myself of Acne naturally. Any advice, additional books, activities, nutrients, etc.

PS Other readers please feel free to email me with any experiences or advice.

Thanks!

Mike


Re: Dr. Stoll, Please Point Me In The Right Direction

Posted by Walt Stoll on June 30, 1998 at 10:46:23:

In Reply to: Dr. Stoll, Please Point Me In The Right Direction posted by Mike on June 28, 1998 at 17:45:37:

Dear Mike,

Go to my home page & read the article about essential oils. One of the problems with acne is that your body is not processing fats & oils well because of an essential oil deficiency.

The main other thing that resolves this is the regular practice of skilled relaxation twice a day for 20 minutes (not counting any done within 2 hours before retiring).

ALL professional athletes use this technique to enhance their performance. The nice thing is that it improves their metabolic efficiency at the same time.

Let us know how you do.

Walt



Re: ACCUTANE

Posted by brian sargent on June 29, 1998 at 20:53:49:

im a male taking accutane. my wife became pregnant while im taking accutane. is there any possible side affects since im accutane. is passed through semen.


Re: accutane

Posted by Jennifer Gibson on June 29, 1998 at 21:24:26:

Hi, my name is Jen. I have taken about 10 accutane pills now. So far, I haven't gotten any side effects, except the dry lips, but I use vaseline on my lips every 10 to fifteen minutes. How long before any more side effects start showing up? I would really appreciate it if you could send me some answers.

Thanks


Acne

Posted by Barbara on June 29, 1998 at 21:31:58:

Dear Dr. Stoll:
I have a 17 year old friend who suffers from acne. He went to a dermatologist, who put him on Accutane. He experienced really terrible scabbing, weight loss, etc. The dermatologist said that this was to be expected, and it would get worse before it got better. What do you think about this?


Re: Acne

Posted by David on June 30, 1998 at 00:12:03:

In Reply to: Acne posted by Barbara on June 29, 1998 at 21:31:58:

Hi Barbara,

I am 25 and have been fighting acne also. I never had it real bad but enough to disconfont me. I came across an infomercial on night about 2 female dermatologist advertising an acne formula they had came up with. It was quite impressive and the testomonials were amazing. They came up with a 3 set solution for acne and blemishes. Well in sort I ordered and it has worked wonders. It not only cleared up my acne and blemishes but keeps it away with no drying of the skin. It might be worth checking out. It was only about $40+ for the initial kit which has lasted me about 4 months. Thats a small investment. Here is the web site URL. http://www.ebderm.com/proactiv.html

Good Luck!


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