Acne and Accutane historical posts July 1998

Re: accutane - adverse reaction

Posted by Natalie on July 01, 1998 at 00:53:52:

I came across this message while I was researching Accutane.
I am a recent patient who has only been taking the drug
for 15 days, but have already noticed changes in my
personality. A usually happy person, I am sleeping
excessively and quite irritable with those that I care
about. I didn't associate my mood with the drugs until
I evaluated the changes in my life and realized these
adverse reactions started after my treatment. I just have
a few questions. Were your doctors willing to reevaluate
treatment in order to gain control of these life altering
side effects? I have been pleased with the physical
results of Accutane (the fading of my acne scars and
redness. However, I am not willing to play with the
side effects that I have come across. When the treatment
ends, will these side effects go away or are people still
dealing with depression, loss of hair, fatigue?

Thanks for any input!
Natalie


Re: accutane - adverse reaction

Posted by Rich on July 01, 1998 at 17:03:16:

In Reply to: Re: accutane - adverse reaction posted by Natalie on July 01, 1998 at 00:53:52:

I was on Accutane for 2 months and had terribly adverse reactions. The skin on the palms of my hands peeled off like gloves and every joint in my body ached. It got to the point that I had to crawl to the kitchen to get some Motrin. Problem was, when I got there my hands were too stiff to get the cap off of the bottle (pretty rough for someone who was 20 at the time!) I'm still experiencing (5 years later) spots in my vision. They are called "floaters." They are small grey areas that "float" around my field of vision. As far as I know, they are permanent and irreversible.


Re: accutane - adverse reaction

Posted by Walt Stoll on July 02, 1998 at 09:03:03:

In Reply to: Re: accutane - adverse reaction posted by Natalie on July 01, 1998 at 00:53:52:

Dear Natalie & Rich,

This subject has been discussed, exhaustively, on this bb for the past 18 months. ONLY the prescribing physician can answer these concerns. If you want to know why this is, go to the link: acne archives and read everything you can find about acne, accutane & accutane side-effects. THEN, if you still have questions, write again.

The same things that would have prevented your need to try accutane are the things you need to do to try to reverse the damage caused by taking it.

Walt



Re: ACCUTANE

Posted by Walt Stoll on July 01, 1998 at 09:47:01:

Dear Brian,

You would be VERY interested in the information contained in a book everyone making children should have: "Every Woman's Book" by Paavo Airola, ND. It would give the best explanation of the answer to your question as well as a lot more that every prospective parent should be required to know at least 2 years prior to conception.

Let us know what you learn.

Walt



Re: accutane

Posted by Walt Stoll on July 01, 1998 at 09:51:23:

Dear Jennifer,

NOt only is it the responsibility of the prescribing physician to tell you that, s/he is the only one who can.

If you want to know why that is, use the archives for this 'site & read everything you can find about acne, accutane & accutane side effects. THEN, if you still have questions, write again: acne archives

Walt



Re: Acne

Posted by Walt Stoll on July 01, 1998 at 09:56:01:

Dear David,

Thanks! I will be very interested in what you have to say about this in about 6 months. I am always interested in learning of more options.

In the meantime, I would remind everyone with acne that is is a message. Unless people see acne (that lasts beyond puberty) as an indication of an endocrinological problem that they really need to deal with, they will ultimately pay a bigger price as the bodymind has to shout louder for attention (come up with something more serious).

Walt



Re: Acne

Posted by Walt Stoll on July 01, 1998 at 10:01:44:

Dear Barbara,

These are danger signs to any competent physician. If this was the first time that this dermatologist was seen, he also did the over prescribing that docs are being accused of regarding accutane. Accutane is to be used as a last resort, not as the first thing to be done. Docs can make more money as a prescription mill than they can ever make educating the patient about their options.

If you think your friend is interested in learning his options, use the link: acne archives and have him read everything about acne, accutane & accutane side-effects-----including the references recommended.

THEN, if he still has questions, have him write. If no questions, I would appreciate his sharing his experiences (as he gets well) with the rest of the BB participants.

Walt



Accutane

Posted by Marsha on July 14, 1998 at 14:50:49:

I am supose to begin my accutane treatment in about a week........After hearing all these horrible stories or brain tumors, and awful side effects I'm a little worried......If you have been on the drug and have some advice or just a story I would apperciate it a lot......Thanks.......


Re: Accutane

Posted by steve on July 15, 1998 at 10:18:05:

In Reply to: Accutane posted by Marsha on July 14, 1998 at 14:50:49:


Hey Marsha,

I told my story a couple of times but, what the hay.....
I had severe cystic acne.... I took all the topicals and
antibiotics which were all temporary fixes. I finally took Accutane the "Wonder Drug"......Accutane made me feel "Not Myself" for the whole time taking the drug and for many (maybe 4 months) afterwards.
I was completely taken out of my daily routines and due to the exteme dryness and flaking I pretty much avoided human contact for 6 months...... I could not work out as I normally do due to the joint and muscle discomfort and I developed a cornial ulcer in my eye due to my contact lense wear and eye dryness. Basically 6 months of my life were sacrificied.
I was clear for about 2 months and then the acne returned worse than ever.......

I then started to research acne all I could... 1st I found this guy on the net with a wonder cure.... it mostly dealt with diet and keeping away from breads and sugars... It actually started me on the right path. I began to clear up and I began to research more..... I found this site and started reading the posts and some of the books Dr. Weil has suggested such ads "Mind ad Healer / Mind as Slayer"
I now believe that stress play a major role in acne and many other ailments.

Right now my skin is as clear as its been in 15 years ! ! !
I think I made major strides just by LEARING and UNDERSTANDING whats going on. I haven't even touched the surface when it comes to skilled relaxation and controlling whats going on ..... but, what I've learned so far has done wonders.......

It seems like basic logic to me that:
1) Acne comes from hormonal imbalance
2) Stress causes hormonal changes
3) In some people acne is directly caused by stress

So, why do Dr.'s try to MASK the syptoms of acne when there is actually a reason why this is happening......
As Dr. Stoll will tell you its partly because there is no money to be made by Dr's and the rest of the monopoly by promoting wellness.

Well, hope I helped....... email me with any questions.
Its been about 2 years since I took Accutane.

Keep reading all the posts and search for old one's.....
Another thing.... when you take Accutane they say that MOST people only need one course...... It seems that EVERY person, even the biggest Accutane proponents I find on the net.... ALL have taken 2,3,4,5 up to 6 courses of Accutane... they keep going back to the well needing another FIX. Maybe not right away but, 2 years down the road, 3 years etc.They say only like 3% need a second couse?????? Who are THEY asking?????
Remember that, because..... when I took it I accepeted that I would have to change my daily routine for 6 months NOT 12 MONTHS ! ! ! !
Needless to say, when I was told I needed a second course I was pretty upset..... and stressed ! !! !

Best Of Luck

- Steve





Re: Accutane

Posted by Walt Stoll on July 15, 1998 at 10:44:27:

In Reply to: Accutane posted by Marsha on July 14, 1998 at 14:50:49:

Dear Marsha,

If Accutane was your only option, I would better understand your concerns.

If you are interested in your options, use the link:
acne archives and read everything you can find about acne, accutane and accutane side-effects. THEN, if you still have questions, write again.

Walt



Re: Accutane, Personal Enlightenment

Posted by Walt Stoll on July 16, 1998 at 08:50:52:

In Reply to: Re: Accutane posted by steve on July 15, 1998 at 10:18:05:

Thanks, Steve!

Your comments are a BIG help. People frequently will listen to a personal experience when they will not hear anything I have to say.

Namaste` Walt



Re: Accutane, Personal Enlightenment

Posted by steve on July 16, 1998 at 16:54:07:

In Reply to: Re: Accutane, Personal Enlightenment posted by Walt Stoll on July 16, 1998 at 08:50:52:


Thank YOU,

Dr. Stoll,

Interesting thought..... I run an emergency refrigeration service..... I'm not a mechanic BUT, The biggest thing you learn in this business is that when a refigeration compressor goes bad (or any part) you don't just change the compressor and all is well. You MUST study the complete system and learn WHY the thing went bad (especially if new). You solve the cause of the problem and only then is your job complete.... Otherwise the new compressor will blow and you'll possibly have even greater problems.....

Sounds familiar, huh??? Its so straight forward with mechanical systems but, yet when we deal with the human body its alright to use the quick fix ? ? ? ?
If you use a quick fix in my industry your out of business in no time. You want to see how quickly people are on the phone or looking for a new refigeration Dr. when things don't go right on the 1st try..........





Re: Accutane, Personal Enlightenment

Posted by Walt Stoll on July 17, 1998 at 11:11:13:

In Reply to: Re: Accutane, Personal Enlightenment posted by steve on July 16, 1998 at 16:54:07:

Dear Steve,

GREAT analogy!

I wish it were as clear to everyone.

Walt



Re: Accutane

Posted by Hillary on July 17, 1998 at 18:42:44:

In Reply to: Accutane posted by Marsha on July 14, 1998 at 14:50:49:

Hi Marsha,
I had cystic acne since I was 19. I've been on the rollercoaster ride with antibiotics with your skin clearing up then trying to maintain it with Retin-A or something, then having break out again and going on antibiotics again, etc. I was offered Accutane by a doctor 3 years ago that I backed out of because of fear of the drug. Then about 2 months ago I decided to try it. Three weeks into the treatment my lips were blistered and burning my eyes were so dry they would be difficult to open in the morning and I had joint pains. I was going against my intuition by taking the Accutane. I came across Dr. Stoll's website, read all of the Accutane posts in the archive and made the decision to stop taking it. As a side note, I called my doctor's office to tell them I decided to stop taking the Accutane. I never got a call from my determatologist to see why or if he could help another way.

Dr. Stoll talks a great deal about finding out what the REAL cause of your acne is otherwise your just covering up the symptoms by taking drugs and later on in life something else is going to go wrong because there you have not dealt with the real issue. That was the strongest point for me.

I bought his book and a few that he recommended and feel like there is wealth of knowledge out there for us to learn if we just make the effort. I realize that Acne can make you feel so depressed. You would give anything just to have clear skin and look at your friends and wonder why YOU are the one who has to deal with it. The quick fix pill is NOT the answer.

I am feeling great and my skin has calmed down just from taking certain supplements, cutting out sugar and trying to cut out refined foods.

If you do get your prescription filled, get the package insert and read it. When I saw how many things can go wrong from Accutane, it reinforced my decision to stop.


Re: Accutane

Posted by Carolyn on July 19, 1998 at 21:58:47:

In Reply to: Accutane posted by Marsha on July 14, 1998 at 14:50:49:

My son had a problem with acne and had tried accutane. Before he could even start it, the dermatologist sent him for blood work and once he was on it, he had to have blood work once a month. I believe it is a pretty serious medication. His lips became very sore, dry and swollen so he stopped taking it. Carolyn



Weight Gainer/Acne

Posted by Andrew on July 15, 1998 at 11:53:32:

Dr. Stoll:

Will a high calorie/low fat weight gainer put a great enough amount of stress on my body to make my acne worse or not any better? I believe in your philosophy about personal wellness because it makes sence. I have started by cutting out sugar, milk products and white bread/wheat products out of my diet. I now eat only fruits, vegis, whole wheat bread, mineral water and the occasional meat/egg from the protein group. I have started my autogenic training a few days ago and I lift weights every 4-5 days. Before wanting to pursue my goal of getting rid of my acne via personal wellness, I was eating about everything I could get my hands on to gain weight. I am 150lbs and have a high motabolizm. Basically, would the high calorie/low fat weight gainer be a good choice to combine with my personal wellness program in the hope of gaining weight AND decreasing my acne. Thank you very much for your time.

Andrew: age 17


Re: Weight Gainer/Acne

Posted by Jim on July 15, 1998 at 13:54:37:

In Reply to: Weight Gainer/Acne posted by Andrew on July 15, 1998 at 11:53:32:

Andrew,

A couple of points that might help Walt answer you:

What are the ingredients of your "weight gainer," and, if you don't mind ME asking, why do you want to gain weight? Having been young once, Iíll bet I know. I am now part of a very large group whose concern it is to avoid that once coveted weight gain. (Translation: OLD) : )

What are you doing about caffeine, alcohol, and sodas diet-wise?

Do you use supplements?

Do you have any other physical activity besides lifting weights?

A great big congratulations on the autogenic training. It can do nothing other than help you enormously!

Jim

PS God loves you, skinny and all!!



Re: Weight Gainer/Acne

Posted by steve on July 15, 1998 at 16:05:20:

In Reply to: Weight Gainer/Acne posted by Andrew on July 15, 1998 at 11:53:32:

Andrew,
My Opinion is:

When I was 24 I weighed 140lbs at 6ft.
I decided I would do ANYTHING to gain weight. I worked out 3-4 days a week religeously. I drank all the weight gainers, I took Creatine and I ate pounds of pasta....
I got my squat up to 3 plates, I benched about 200 lbs and I was putting up 135 shoulder presses... I got my weight up to 185lbs solid in about 3 years ! ! ! ! Just about as much as you physically can do..... SOUNDS GREAT RIGHT???

Well I was one big CYSTIC ACNE ZIT ! ! ! ! !

I believe those weight gainer's was one of my major problems. I read somewhere where they said the ingredients in those things is just about the equivalent of plaster apparus (GLUE ! ! !)..... Your body doesn't wan't to digest that stuff.....

If I were you I'd eat right and work out for definition and strength and I wouldn't worry about mass so much.
Now, I'm 30 I work out 3x a week I'm 160 lbs (I really don't weigh myself as much or care anymore).
Being on a wellnes program, watching my stress, and keeping that weight gainer garbage out of my system has restored my skin and kept me much healthier.

Its better to be thin anyway...... believe me I wasn't meeting any more girls at 185 lbs than I do at 160 lbs. if that's the motivation. But, even so... don't force it eat more GOOD things and let it come naturally...... your metabolism will probably slow and you'll put the weight on anyway.

-good luck - Steve





Re: Weight Gainer/Acne

Posted by Walt Stoll on July 16, 1998 at 09:22:40:

In Reply to: Weight Gainer/Acne posted by Andrew on July 15, 1998 at 11:53:32:

Hi, Andrew.

I would need to know the exact ingredients to answer you question.

I am glad to hear that you are combining autogenics with your exercise program. The combination will magnify the benefits of both. If you learn how to use imagry, while practicing the autogenics, you will also see more specific muscle building results. Read stuff by ANY champion body builder & you will see that they ALL practice imagery. Imagery works at its very best when done while you are in the alpha/theta rhythm.

Walt



Re: Weight Gainer/Acne

Posted by Walt Stoll on July 16, 1998 at 10:01:30:

In Reply to: Re: Weight Gainer/Acne posted by steve on July 15, 1998 at 16:05:20:

Great stuff, Steve! Great stuff!

Every "weight gainer" in the world should read this note!

I greatly appreciatre your sharing your lifelong wisdom about this!

Walt



Wellness program for acne testimonials needed!

Posted by Andy on July 15, 1998 at 18:25:47:

I have decided not to take accutane after reading into personal wellness. Now, I have ordered the sugested books "stress reduction workbook" etc. And I am willing to give it 120% I just would really appreciate some testimonys from people that had bad acne and cleared up completely. Something to read to encourage me through the tough, yet exciting journey of personal wellness. Any help will be extremely appreciated


Re: Wellness program for acne testimonials needed!

Posted by Walt Stoll on July 16, 1998 at 10:52:22:

In Reply to: Wellness program for acne testimonials needed! posted by Andy on July 15, 1998 at 18:25:47:

Dear Andy,

You would get some support as well as a better understanding of what your coming experiences will be by going to the archives & reading those entries by Jim. He has such a wonderful way of putting things that you get healed just by his sharing of his own experiences of the wellness process.

I hope you will share your experiences as well although few of us can do it as well as Jim can.

Walt



Personal Wellness? friend AND foe..

Posted by Andrew on July 16, 1998 at 17:12:43:

To anyone with suggestions,

I have a mild case of acne (what ever mild is). Basically, I should be grateful that this is the only message my body mind is sending me, YET, I think about my face 24 hours of the day. I have ordered Walt's book along with the whole food books and I am reading Mind as Healer, Mind as slayer. For about a week now I have cut out ALL caffiene and sugar out of my diet. For breakfast I eat fruit (1 grape fruit, 1 orange, 1 apple) and sometimes a bown of raisin bran (which I should cut out do to the sugar on the processed raisins) For lunch, I eat a banana, an orange, a tomatoe, sometimes carrots and alot of mineral water. I ONLY drink mineral water.

The problem is that I am still only 17 and under my parents roof. Dont get me wrong, I love my parent with all my heart but when supper time comes around (the only meal i eat with my family since i work for the summer) My mom prepares the meal. For example yesterday, I had eaten all the whole fruit and vegis for breakfast and lunch. When I got home for supper my mom had white bread, some sea food salad and a barbaqued chicken. Now asked me if I wanted milk and I said I would prefer mineral water, I got my glass of water but she said I needed milk and she poured me a big glass. I felt really down during the meal because I was trying so hard to eat only whole foods and now I come home and my mom feeds me the foods SHE thinks is healthy. She would flip out if I said i wasnt drinking milk anymore or eating any meat. Now what can I do, I cant prepare my own meal while my family eats a different one. And I cant expect my mom to change the whole familys meal to brown rice and vegis each day. I know that if this whole foods thing is going to work, I will have to sacrifice a wide selection of foods with refined carbos and sugars to a smaller variety of foods. How can I do this while living at home. I could try to teach my mom about whole foods but I really cant see her turning the whole family into vegatarians or only eating brown rice, fruits and vegis. I dont know what to do. I can select the whole foods from what my mom puts on the table but this may mean I will eat less. How bad is it that I am eating 1 of 3 meals that have refined carbs and not whole? It has to be better than eating 3.

Secondly, I go tanning no more than once a week (sometimes every 2 weeks). I know just as much as others how un-healthy this is for my skin but during this acne phase in my life I feel i need it. I tan once a week so my acne is less noticile. I am only planning on doing this UNTIL I see some results from the wellness program. I feel that when I am feeling down about my face, I get really stressed, therefore it would make scense to go with the tanning so I feel less stressed. I am in the beginning phase of autogenic training though I am haveing difficulty even getting my arms and legs to feel heavy let alone warm. I will keep trying. Finally, how long should I expect before I start seeing results in my acne after I have started the wellness program. Thank you for any help or comments.

ps. I do exercise more than 20 minutes 3 times a week,

Andrew



Re:Friend

Posted by Jim on July 16, 1998 at 23:20:18:

In Reply to: Personal Wellness? friend AND foe.. posted by Andrew on July 16, 1998 at 17:12:43:

Andrew,

In a lighthearted and affectionate sort of way Iíd like to swat you over the head with a rolled up newspaper and tell you to lighten up. All the stress you are putting yourself through over trying to do a "perfect" whole food diet is doing you no good. If you can continue with low fat, no caffeine, alcohol, and as little sugar as possible, you are doing GREAT. I donít think you have to sweat chicken or a little white bread. Donít you think your mom would agree to non-fat milk? Youíre going to have to negotiate while youíre under their roof. If I was your mom, I might be just a little concerned if I knew you were eating only fruit till dinner. Are you using a supplement, and are you getting your essential oils? I do sound like a mom, huh?

You are no doubt better off putting your major effort into the skilled relaxation and exercise, and most especially the skilled relaxation. Check around where continuing education classes are being given, often they will offer some form of meditation, mind control, tai chi, yoga, or what have you. These would all be valuable in getting you used to experiencing relaxation.

You didnít mention what form of exercise you do, but my acne (and stress) was greatly helped by SLOW, GENTLE, long distance running. If your body is suited to this activity, you will find that it is a form of meditation when done correctly.

I am handing you an Rx from the Fun Doctor and encouraging you to figure out a way to get your mind off yourself. Iím not meaning to dismiss your "mild" acne or demean your feelings, and I suppose you could take this as a condescending lecture from an adult who doesnítunderstand. But I do understand. It has been eons since acne twisted my feelings, and I know that advice to not worry is probably not helpful, however, unable to resist, I must say, donít worry, Andrew, you are doing the right stuff, keep it up, youíre going to be fine!

Jim





Re:Friend

Posted by steve on July 17, 1998 at 08:39:36:

In Reply to: Re:Friend posted by Jim on July 16, 1998 at 23:20:18:


Nice post Jim,

Also,
When I went through my worst phase of acne.... which was probably a lot worse than what your talking about, I started a strict diet. Since then I've added most of the junk back into my diet but, in moderation. I had pizza for dinner last night ! ! ! ! MMMMMmmmmm.
At first I proclaimed ...... Bad diet IS the cause of acne...
But, now I believe it has less to do with it.....
It sounds like if you eat your diet all day and then come home and eat a nice big "Mama's Dinner" it could be perfect..... you'll need some chicken, meat and variety for working out...... your not eating it all day and your not eating Taco Bell (I do ! ! ! ! ) so your way ahead of the game..........
I went nuts for a while about my workouts and diet....... I'm better off now just keeping on an overall workout and diet plan but, not worring when I go off schedule even once or twice a week....... Its what you do for the long haul that really matters

Oh yeah... I still don't eat eggs too often.....

And like Jim said.... Enjoy, don't stress over food too......
You've got some great years coming up........ 17- 25 was great... I'd love to do it again...LOL




Re: Personal Wellness? friend AND foe..

Posted by Walt Stoll on July 17, 1998 at 11:22:29:

In Reply to: Personal Wellness? friend AND foe.. posted by Andrew on July 16, 1998 at 17:12:43:

Dear Andrew,

Were I in your situation, I would sit down with my mother and tell her that I was now old enough to learn how to fix my own meals and that I wanted to do so.

The fact is that you ARE old enough to make these decisions and to learn these skills. You can have a place in the refrigerator and in the cupbourd for your stuff & just do what you are learning to do. If you can do this perfectly, both you and your mother will see benefits within a month and that should put to rest any insecurities she may have about your knowing what is best for YOU.

ALL research shows that people with dairy & meat in their diets are not as healthy as those who are strict vegetarians. It is too bad that your mother does not know that. Unfortunately, if she is like MOST mothers, she will not want to know this because it would mean that she was wrong all these years. You are going to have to take charge of this for yourself and the only way I know of is to take preparation and shopping for what YOU eat out of her hands.

Also, in my expereince, once moms see results, they are usually great converts to learning what you know.

If it were me, I would not even put any effort into the diet until I had digested the whole foods book. You can actually make yourself worse by just cutting down a lot.

Walt



Re:Friend

Posted by Walt Stoll on July 17, 1998 at 11:39:25:

In Reply to: Re:Friend posted by Jim on July 16, 1998 at 23:20:18:

Dear Jim,

As usual, you fill in the soft stuff around the hard edges that I tend to offer. I really think that your stuff is more important than mine--taken in context. I think both our stuff magnifies the effect of either one alone.

Hope Andrew reads all of this.

Namaste` Walt



Re:Friend

Posted by Walt Stoll on July 17, 1998 at 11:42:10:

In Reply to: Re:Friend posted by steve on July 17, 1998 at 08:39:36:

Dear Steve,

I agree that, of the 3 important things that make up wellness (so far as acne is concerned), diet is probably the least important.

However, the level of wellness depends a lot on the combination of all three and, in the end, it is the level of wellness that defeats most chronic conditions.

Thanks! Walt



Re:Friend

Posted by Andrew on July 17, 1998 at 15:26:35:

In Reply to: Re:Friend posted by Walt Stoll on July 17, 1998 at 11:39:25:

Dear Walt, Jim, & Steve,

I that you all for the comments and suggestions. You have to understand the spark of confusion and "stress." the whole wellness journey is due to the in-accurate facts about acne posted all over the web. I just returned from gliding through the net this morning finding TONS of "acne info" sites that say "diet has absolutely nothing to do with acne." And these sites are made by doctors and professionals. The amount of confusion is so great for teens . When a teen reads that, his mind is telling him,"Good! junk food and sugar doesnt effect my acne, mmmm..i feel like a burger and fries!" I think when people read things like that it makes them want to eat more junk food to relieve the stress (because it wont worsen the condition anyway).

Will someone please explain to me how essential oils effect acne?

Deepest of thanks.

Andrew



ALL research shows...?

Posted by Louise on July 27, 1998 at 14:59:02:

In Reply to: Re: Personal Wellness? friend AND foe.. posted by Walt Stoll on July 17, 1998 at 11:22:29:

Dear Walt,

I am astounded that you would make that statement.

This certainly can not be true. What about those of us who are fast oxidizers? When I was a vegetarian, I was sick as a dog. I only regained my health by eating meat.

There are countless studies done on the value of animal protein. I will produce them if you like.

Please tell me I misunderstood you, or that you did not mean what you said.

Louise



Re: ALL research shows...?

Posted by Walt Stoll on July 28, 1998 at 13:52:06:

In Reply to: ALL research shows...? posted by Louise on July 27, 1998 at 14:59:02:

Dear Louise,

Thanks for bringing this up! If YOU don't understand what I was saying, so must a lot more of the BB participants.

This is NOT an easy concept to get through to people since we all have been brought up to not look critically at "scientific research".

First of all, I stand by my statement. I will try to explain how I can do that & hope that people will take the time to check out my "facts":

All the research I have seen supporting dairy & meat (as they are presently commercially produced), as healthy parts of the American Diet, were done by the dairy or meat industry (or the Department of Agriculture as representative of the farm industry as it is now practiced). Remember, I was born & raised on a dairy & meat farm in Ohio.

Some of this "research" was done by the ADA (American Dietetic Association) to try to make it less obvious that the industry is really behind it. Remember those wonderful tobacco researches over the past 50 years????!!!!

Research does not take into account the individual. I was taught to throw out any "anomaly". However, we are now taking seriously the old adage: "The appearance of one sparrow proves the existance of birds."

All the independent research I have seen shows pure vegetarians living longer and having many less chronic "diseases of civilization" than those who eat the American Diet that is heavy on dairy & meat. Look at the statistics AND dietary recommendations before the first world war and after. Back then, every one "knew" that the vegetarian and "wild game" diet was the healthiest. However, the government had a problem with shipping calories to the troops across the Atlantic. They needed highly concentrated calories to make the trip more worth while. SO, they encouraged farmers to do dairy & meat. THEN, when the wars were over, they had another problem; what to do with all that dairy & meat?

A national campaign was mounted to convince the public that they needed dairy & meat to get enough protein for health. We now know that that was a very expensive solution to a temporary policy. ALL researchers in nutrition (except those paid by the industry) have reported that a person (following an intelligent vegetarian diet) cannot help but get about twice the protein they need. The current "food pyramid" is a faltering attempt to get away from the "basic four" recommended for so many years (since the wars).

I have said many times: "Listen to your bodymind." "Learn about ANY diet you decide to try and do it right." "Use your bodymind as a laboratory & SEE which diet is best for you."

ALL of these diets are helpful for somebody but NOT for everybody or even the majority of the population. The only things I have seen, published by reputable scientists who are not pushing the "party line", say that the average person will do better on a totally vegetarian diet than if they include commercial meat & dairy.

If YOU feel better including meat & dairy, your should do so. Unfortunately, the immediate benefits of that diet for you may not translate into a lack of chronic conditions after 30-40 years. We are just scratching the surface of this HUGE subject & NO ONE has all the answers yet.

I hope this makes this a little clearer. Wild game is a pretty healthy food. However, I know of few hunters that can still find enough game to feed their families. Commercial beef, pork and chicken have a totally different chemical make up than wild game (forget about all the hormones, antibiotics & chemical pollutants). Eggs, as currently "manufactured" are "ersatz" eggs. Dairy is so altered & filled with hormones & antibiotics that NO ONE should risk it.

BESIDES, the more concentrated the protein in any food, the more leaky gut causes the immune sensitivities for that food! For a culture in which the majority of the population HAS LGS--that still pretends that the condition doesn't even exist; who is going to believe THOSE "experts"
I could go on for a whole book. Perhaps I should!



Accutane:side effects

Posted by Autumn on July 17, 1998 at 14:52:54:

I have been suffering from cystic acne since the age of 12 and I am now 24. I am just about to fininsh my first treatment of accutane, I am in my 5th month. My results have been wonderful. My skin cleared up within weeks, and feels great. I havnt experienced too many side effects, with the exception of the dry lips and skin, and I also have some pigment changes in my skin on my back and arms. I am just wondering if there is anyone out there who had good results with the first treatment and didnt need to take it again. I am also wondering if anyone else experienced weight gain. My weight has been steady for three years, and when I began accutane, I gained about 10 pounds. Does this go away after treatment? Any info would be greatly appreciated. It is always nice to talk to others with the same condition as most of the people I know can't relate to me. Thank you so much!

Autumn


Re: Accutane:side effects

Posted by Tony A on July 17, 1998 at 16:42:55:

In Reply to: Accutane:side effects posted by Autumn on July 17, 1998 at 14:52:54:

Hi Autumn!
I've waited a long time to talk to someone about accutane. I never met anyone else who took it, or at least admitted to taking it. I took accutane for two 6 month cycles when I was sixteen (I am 28 now), and though I still get acne occassionally, the improvement was tremendous.

The only side effects I really had was excessing drying of my face and inside my nose. However, at that age I spent a lot of my time at the beach, and spent many a day while taking accutane laying out in the sun. Because of this, I spent many a night literally peeling the layers of skin off of my nose from the severe burns I was getting. Don't go out in the sun for long periods while your on the accutane! I have never heard of any reports, but I am now very afraid I will develop skin cancer when I get older, due to the severity of the burns I used to get while on accutane. If I had to do it all over again, there is no way I would take accutane, but then again I shouldn't have been laying out in the sun that long anyway. But you don't think like that when you're a teenager, right?

The only report I ever heard of severe side effects from accutane was not too long ago on the news, about it causing depression and suicide in certain teenagers. This is one side effect I never experienced. But if you start getting depressed, be careful.

Well it was nice talking to you. I hope I didn't scare you - I've just been very sick for over a year now and I've lost all faith in conventional medicine and prescription drugs. But when I took it, it did help. Accutane definitely works - just stay out of the sun, and be aware if you start feeling depressed. I hope you get the results you want!

Good Luck,
Tony


Re: Accutane:side effects

Posted by Walt Stoll on July 18, 1998 at 09:32:07:

In Reply to: Accutane:side effects posted by Autumn on July 17, 1998 at 14:52:54:

Dear Autumn,

Read the archives about this on this 'site.

ANYONE with acne past puberty has to have a glandular imbalance that is showing acne as just the tip of the iceberg of what effect this will have on the rest of their health for the rest of their lives. Even if you could totally eliminate the acne with a pill, all you would be doing is turning off the message your bodymind is trying to send you about the iceberg.

Walt



Re: Accutane:side effects

Posted by Gina on July 18, 1998 at 17:29:21:

In Reply to: Accutane:side effects posted by Autumn on July 17, 1998 at 14:52:54:

Hey Autumn....nice to hear that you are getting great results....I had significant acne that took a turn for the worse when i was 20 in college (i'm now 26). After trying topical benzoperoxides, retin-A, tetracycline, and topical antibiotics with no improvement my dermatologist at the time put me on a 5 month course of Accutane.
I was informed of the risks, (i read everything about accutane as well myself), put on birth control pills and promising to use another form of protection if i became sexually active, and got lab tests run (lipids and liver function tests....) i then went on the treatment.
Luckily over the course of the first 2-3 months my face become worse (i just was glad i went home and was on summer break a few weeks after starting accutane). My face was red, peeling, dry....i didnt have any other side effects....
I also had to go to the doctor once a month to have a serum pregnancy test, lipid level, and liver function tests which all remained negative and normal throughout the course of the treatment.
In the third month my face was significantly improved and by the end of the treatment my face was COMPLETELY clear. I was amazed and so were my friends and family.
My face remained clear until this past year....i mean CLEAR like i dont have to wear make-up and i look great clear....lol....
I can't tell u how crushing to your self-esteem severe acne (or any amount of acne can be)....my acne was getting to the point where i could have had scarring had it not cleared up (my mom had the same type of acne and unfortunately...she has some scarring) ....and i am so glad i got on accutane at the time not only for my appearance but also for my self-esteem.
I think it is important to know the side effects and accutane has some very common side effects most people experience while on it (headache, dry skin, peeling, redness, photosensitivity (use sunscreen and avoid sun exposure while on it!), irritation, burning, decreased night vision, dry eyes, and nausea...as well as increased lipid levels and occasionally elevated liver enzymes...., also it is very harmful to a fetus so pregnancy while on accutane must at all costs be avoided.
If you are aware of these side effects, see a doctor that moniters for the more significant side effects, and take the responsibility to ensure no pregnancy occurs while on accutane and for several months after taking this medication then you will be very pleased with the results of this medication
I know i was
Good luck with your treatment


Re: Accutane:side effects

Posted by Walt Stoll on July 19, 1998 at 09:21:43:

In Reply to: Re: Accutane:side effects posted by Gina on July 18, 1998 at 17:29:21:

Dear Gina,

Please take this in the spirit in which it is offered.

It is really too bad that your accutane worked so well. Now, the message that your bodymind was trying to send you about your glandualr imbalance has been cancelled. You will get a louder message sometime in the future.

I remind you of the story about the couch potato watching TV who is disturbed by his doorbell ringing. He tries to ignore it but it keeps ringing. SO, he gets up & cuts the wires to the bell. The bell stops ringing and he goes back to the TV.

Unfortunately, it was his neighbor trying to warn him that his house was on fire. Acne after puberty is a warning of endocrinopathy. Accutane, if it works, successfully cuts the warning bell.

Walt



Acne Myths

Posted by Jon P. on July 17, 1998 at 17:27:13:

Dr. Stoll,

Why is it that EVERY acne web site states that extensive research has been done and diet has nothing to do with acne. Why does every doctor I see or read about on their home page agree with this. There has been research done and why do the results go against what you preach?

Could it be as low as because the doctors want to make more money by selling prescription drugs? I don't know. All I know is accutane will destroy my body and wellness diet will destroy my life. Wait! Listen. By this I will give an example. First of all, say my acne cleared up. I would ask a girl out and we would go to a movie. Of course I wouldnt eat any refined popcorn or fatty buttter, let alone candy or pop. I would order an ice water (which probably isnts mineral water) and offer to buy the girl some food. She would think I am a cheap scate for only ordering a water yet I would offer to buy her something. She wouldnt feel confortable getting something because she would think i cant afford it. As if I would tell her, "sweety, the reason I am not eating any snacks is because you see these zits on my face **pointing at zits***, they will be irritated by the increase in stress due to the sugar". So we watch the movie. After, I take her to a restuaant to get something to eat, (naturally after a date to a movie) I order my bown of bown of brown rice with some rice cakes on the side along with some water, I ask what she would like. AGAIN nothing. ok,ok. An alternative to the restaurant would of been a walk on the beach or something BUT I wouldnt want things to get out of controll and actually give her a kiss, with all those refined sugars in her lip gloss, I would be covered in zits within seconds!!!!!!

Basicaly, I couldnt even go to a friends house to watch a movie because they will probably have snacks which i cant eat and will feel bad for them if I dont eat.

Can you seriously guarentee a perfect as complextion as a person that took accutane if I go on this wellness program??

FINALLY, Why dont I see any posts from people saying how the wellness program is their "wonder pill" All I see on the net is how people with severe acne cleared up completely, zit less! I have yet to see a person ranting and raving about how the wellness program has restored their face and how much of an improvement there is. And dont tell me to search the archive because I have read EVERY single message in the acne archives, the whole foods archive, the "jim's special" archive etc. I have spend HOURS. Well, if sioooo many tests were dont to see if diet effects acne, why did they all come out negative?

Jon P.


Re: Acne Myths

Posted by Kyra on July 17, 1998 at 20:37:21:

In Reply to: Acne Myths posted by Jon P. on July 17, 1998 at 17:27:13:


Dear Jon,

Thanks for your thought-provoking post. You should be a writer! The scenario you portrayed of going out on a whole foods date had me grinning broadly. I see a screenplay here. Now to the brown rice of the matter. I can't specifically address your acne, since mine disappeared with the end of adolescence far too many years ago. I'd trade in my nonholistically color-enhanced gray hair for zits, let me tell you. What I can say is that the wellness program works, but what it IS NOT is a wonder pill. It's work, pure and simple, As a culture we're trained from the cradle to the grave by the all-too-real medical monopoly not to take responsibility for our health, which involves work, but to pop the various "wonder pills" offered to us instead. That's why you won't find much archival material relating to successes with the wellness program regarding to acne. Very few people are willing to engage in the consistent daily practice of health without blowing it. If you blow it, your body pays, and all the pharmaceuticals start seeming very tempting. Unfortunately, there's no quick fix, not for acne, panic attacks, or gastroesophageal reflux. You name it. I've been doing Walt's wellness program for six months now for my own medical reasons. My health is much improved, but I haven't been letter perfect about sticking to the wellness program either. I could be healthier by now. Ironically, if I slip up past what I've learned I can get away with, I REALLY pay for it, because my body's adjusted to an increased level of health. Still, I'd rather feel lousy for a day or two than risk the gruesome side effects of so many of the band-aid drugs we're offered on a silver platter. I'm still learning, but I'm healthier than I've been in years. So this in fact is an in-the-trenches testimonial to my very real success gained through skilled relaxation (meditation in my case), whole-foods diet, and exercise. Hopefully, more and more of us will become willing to gut it out and treat health as a lifestyle, and not something that can be attained by taking a pill. Diet DOES relate to acne, as part of a larger picture.

I'm thinking about your date scenario again. You've got the obvious zits on your face and the rice cakes. You're embarassed as hell. She's got the candy bar and zits more discretely located that she's mortified about. You're both human. She might actually be really interested in why you're eating rice cakes. It could be the start of something honest and wonderful between the two of you.

Kyra





Re: Acne Myths

Posted by Walt Stoll on July 18, 1998 at 08:55:10:

In Reply to: Acne Myths posted by Jon P. on July 17, 1998 at 17:27:13:

Thanks, Jon, for your wonderful note.

Listen to Kyra.

You are a perfect example of the fact that what the conventional medical community teaches is not true. NO ONE is going to convince YOU that diet has nothing to do with acne! Right?

However, I have always said that, of the 3 things that make up a serious wellness program, for acne diet is the least important of the 3. As Kyra says, it is the combination that does the "magic" and not any one by itself. Of the 3, the skilled relaxation is the most important.

The problem is not that wellness does not work. I have yet to see a case that did not clear up in 6 months IF the person did it. The problem is getting people to DO it. This is REALLY up to you.

What do I have to gain by "fooling" you? I make no money by your getting well. All I get is the satisfaction of seeing YOUR satisfaction.

Good luck. This is a big decision! Getting rid of your acne is the least of what this is about.

Walt



Re: Acne Myths

Posted by steve on July 20, 1998 at 09:25:40:

In Reply to: Re: Acne Myths posted by Kyra on July 17, 1998 at 20:37:21:


Jon,

You may have read my previous posts. I took Accutane and my skin was worse........

A wellness program is work..... But, I think the key to everything is BALANCE. Damn right I eat half the tub of popcorn... butter and all. I also drink beer on the weekend ! ! ! !
You have to find the balance where your going to be happy. When I was full of cysts of really bad acne (4 an your scale) I was totally unhapppy and my wellnesss program was strict....... Now I feel like I can cheat here and there and I know when I've been stressed or my diet is bad I can actually feel the acne growths.


If you want to discuss Accutane or acne further you can email me at Expertmech@aol.com




Re: Acne Myths

Posted by Walt Stoll on July 21, 1998 at 10:38:45:

In Reply to: Re: Acne Myths posted by steve on July 20, 1998 at 09:25:40:

Dear Steve,

Thanks for giving me the opportunity to remind everyone that, although diet is a part of the cause of acne, it is probably the least important of the 3 things that go into wellness: #1 (certainly the most important for acne) is skilled relaxation, #2 Regular exercise. & #3 diet.

Since each approach done magnifies the effectiveness of any others already being done, doing skilled relaxation regularly will greatly increase the effectiveness of any dietary efforts. Is this making sense?

Walt



I have a QUESTION! Im presently on Accutane, too.

Posted by Kid (female) with acne on July 18, 1998 at 01:41:20:

Im presently on Accutane. Im 15, almost 16 and Ive had terrible acne since I was about 12 or 13. Ive honestly gone thru every other treatment for acne, and nothing seemed to be effective, therefore, I decided, as well as my parents, that I should try accutane. Ive been on it for about a month and 3 weeks now. My back is really achy, along with my legs, and my lips are just a little dry. My face has cleared up a little bit so far. My question is ... how much longer will it take until my face is noticably cleared up?? Thanks for your time & effort. Email me with ideas please.
Thanks again,
Kid (female) with bad freakin' acne


Re: I have a QUESTION! Im presently on Accutane, too.

Posted by Walt Stoll on July 19, 1998 at 08:08:01:

In Reply to: I have a QUESTION! Im presently on Accutane, too. posted by Kid (female) with acne on July 18, 1998 at 01:41:20:

Dear Female Kid,

The problem is that there is NO ideal "treatment" for acne.

There IS a way to be certain to get rid of it but it requires that the individiual LEARN and DO what they learn.

When you are ready to do that, use the link acne archives and read everything you can find about acne, accutane and accutane side-effects. Be sure to read the 2 references.

THEN, if you still have questions, write again.

As you become perfectly healthy, please share your experiences with the others on this bulletin board. The problem is not that this does not work but that most people are too lazy to learn & do. This is not really THEIR fault since the AMA had more than 100 years to brainwash the public into thinking that, if you just pay us enough, we will do your thinking for you. If THAT worked, you wouldn't be on this BB.

Walt



About Tetracyline...

Posted by Paul on July 19, 1998 at 01:52:48:

Hi Dr Stoll.

I was given both Stieva-A and then Differin, both of which I felt did not help my acne, which I was told by my doctor was a severity "barely 2" out of 4, 4 being "cystic acne". Even though this doesn't make it sound like it's serious, it's serious to me, and I want to get rid of it.

I was then given Tetracycline by my doctor, and I'm taking it now, four times a day. I have a couple of questions for you:

1) What is Tetracycline's mode of operation (ie, what does it do to prevent acne)?
2) How soon before I can expect to see any positive effects on my skin?

Thanks so much for your time.

Paul


Re: About Tetracyline...

Posted by Walt Stoll on July 20, 1998 at 08:19:51:

In Reply to: About Tetracyline... posted by Paul on July 19, 1998 at 01:52:48:

Dear Paul,

You will probably see some temporary results in a week or so. I used to prescribe tetracycline (more than 20 years ago) before I knew better. One of the main problems with tetracycline is that it alters the normal bacterial flora of the intestinal tract toward the parasitic, pathogenic forms that help cause acne. THEN, you are treating acne BECAUSE you are treating acne. This makes a wonderful annuity for the doc but is not so good for YOU.

No one knows for sure why tetracycline helps acne even temporarily. We think it is by altering the abnormal bacterial population in the glands caused by the imbalance of oil production caused by the endocrine imbalance that is behind this whole thing.

Go to the link: acne archives and read everything you can find about acne, accutane and accutane side-effects (the latter since much of what you need to know is listed there). THEN, if you still have questions, write again.

Many people, when they see how much there is to read, do not do it. I think that is good since, once they know what they can do, doing it is much more work than just reading about it. Why waste time learning if one is not ready to do it? The way to get rid of acne is KNOWN. The problem is only in getting people to do it.

Walt



Accutane

Posted by Jessica Triplett on July 20, 1998 at 20:48:40:

Dear Walt,
I really enjoy reading the questions and answers about Accutane. I will soon be on this medication. As I veiwed the questions I didn't find anything on when to start it. I recently had a blood test to see if I was pregnant so I can start the medication. I am not sexually active, I am only 14. It turned out negative. Anyway, my question is why do women have to start taking it on their 3rd day of thier period? That means that I am going to have to wait an entire month before I can start this medication. I want to start it as soon as possible because I am sick of having a face like this. Why do I have to wait even though I know for sure that I am not pregnant? Thanks. Jessica


Re: Accutane

Posted by Rob Morano on July 21, 1998 at 00:16:53:

In Reply to: Accutane posted by Jessica Triplett on July 20, 1998 at 20:48:40:


Is it true accutane can make a male steril. I am 16 years old with bad skin. Is this a good drug for me


Re: Accutane

Posted by Walt Stoll on July 21, 1998 at 13:39:21:

In Reply to: Accutane posted by Jessica Triplett on July 20, 1998 at 20:48:40:

Dear Jessica and Rob,

If you had read the archives about this, you would know that only your prescribing physician can answer this for any individual. THAT IS WHY IT IS AVAILABLE "BY PRESCRIPTION ONLY". Read the archives about acne, accutane & accutane side effects. You will not only get the answers to why you have to ask your doc but what options you have to resolve this without the risks of hiding the WHY you have acne in the first place. NO ONE thinks that accutane is the solution to acne. It is a treatment.

Walt



Re: Accutane

Posted by Ally on July 23, 1998 at 14:01:45:

In Reply to: Accutane posted by Jessica Triplett on July 20, 1998 at 20:48:40:

Hi there!

My dermatologist suggested that I begin therapy with Accutane. She also suggested that I use it in conjunction with Obagi Nu derm. After having read this board on patient's experiences with accutane, I've come to the conclusion that the side effects (not to mention the cost) outweigh the satisfaction of being temporarily relieved of acne. Therefore I've decided to stay clear of the product and perhaps try the Obagi. Does anyone care to share their experience with Obagi?


Re: Accutane

Posted by Lindsay on July 30, 1998 at 17:55:26:

In Reply to: Re: Accutane posted by Walt Stoll on July 21, 1998 at 13:39:21:


I decided another no-no post about Accutane was a good
idea. My experience: I'm 20 now, was 15 when I took
the drug. I did not have very bad acne, but my doctor
prescribed Accutane because my acne did not respond
well to other treatments. The Accutane worked
wonderfully after only one course and I have not had
a relapse. Among the side effects I attribute to my
use of Accutane: drier skin, which I can handle. Thinner
coarser uglier hair, which I can handle. Ugly red heat
rashes on my skin in the sun or after a shower, which
I can handle. The one change that occured at htat time
that I have not been able to handle is the sudden
onslaught of depressive symptoms which occured at that
time and did NOT stop when I ended my treatment. I'll
never know whether the Accutane contributed to that
problem, but I do know that I would do whatever I
could to make them go away. I've gotten desperate enough
just now to make some changes, after being required to
take a year away from college because of my inability to
attend or participate in classes. I'm very science-
oriented in school, and I'd like to see some more
statistical and less anecdotal evidence of the
validity of Dr. Stoll's program. However, I've also
had extensive involvement in lobbying against destructive
corporate agendas, and almost no amount of corruption
in the medical industry would surprise me. If you
are considering Accutane, especially if you are young
and/or are not suffering from VERY severe cystic acne,
I'd advise you to not even think about it. Even the
suggestion of liver problems ought to be enough to
scare away anyone with a modicum of common sense.
At 15 I was scared, but with pressure from my mother
to use Accutane and assurances from my inattentive
doctor that it was safe, I wasnt scared enough. I
dont mean this as a horror story, but I do regret
my own decision to take Accutane, and I do believe
that medical practitioners are too quick to prescribe
Accutane, and I resent the fact that doctors can be
legal pushers of dangerous drugs. I haven't yet made
up my mind about the trustworthiness of Dr. Stoll.
At this point I'm skeptical of everything. However,
I've already started an exercise program and stopped
buying grossly unhealthy food products, although I
admit to LOVING Coke, and I'm reading up on skilled
relaxation. One thing about Dr. Stoll's advice is,
that aside from the $13 you give up if you heed his
call to buy his book, it doesn't seem to have any
adverse side effects. As far as I'm concerned, unless
you have dealt for YEARS with a case of SEVERE CYSTIC
ACNE, you have no place taking Accutane. On the other
hand, maybe a culture so obssessed with its physical
appearance could learn a lesson from some seriously
debilitating drug side effects.

Lindsay




Re: Accutane

Posted by Walt Stoll on July 31, 1998 at 11:33:34:

In Reply to: Re: Accutane posted by Lindsay on July 30, 1998 at 17:55:26:

Dear Lindsay,

I am glad to see that you are really thinking. That is the first step. The problem is not that these approaches do not work but that they are practically free and it is hard to get peopel to try them.


Walt



Re: Accutane : Side Effects ( LOSS HAIR)

Posted by Mina Mong on July 21, 1998 at 01:01:37:

I have one question about the drug accutane. I took the course about 8 months aleardy and the effects were positive initially. I have been loss a lot of my hair also my lip are very dry.Is there any other drug help me to stop loss hair?
I have loss hair considerable amount of my hair. I am really afraid that I continued to loss more hair. Please response me as soon as possible. thank you very much.


Re: Accutane : Side Effects ( LOSS HAIR)

Posted by Walt Stoll on July 22, 1998 at 10:40:40:

In Reply to: Re: Accutane : Side Effects ( LOSS HAIR) posted by Mina Mong on July 21, 1998 at 01:01:37:

Dear Mina,

The precise way for you to pursue this has been discussed many times right here on this BB. Go to the archives & read everything you can find about acne, accutane & accutane side-effects. You will see what to do, AND why you need to do it that way, there.

It is not too late to do what you could have done that would have prevented your need to take the accutane in the first place. Actually, that is still the best way to get out of the hole in which you now find yourself.

THEN, if you still have questions, write again.

Walt



Accutane, sweet..sweet...accutane...

Posted by Andrew on July 21, 1998 at 12:28:37:

I have had mild acne for 6 years now and nothing else worked, blah, blah blah. Basically, I went on accutane 2 days ago. I have done extensive research on the subject. My doctor put me on 40 mg daily for 3 months.

Now I am confussed. First of all, I read that you should take half the dosage in the morning and half at night. He prescribed the 40 mg capsuls so I cant divide the dossage. Secondly I have read that the reccomended time span to be on the drug is 4 to 5 months on 100-120 mg/kg. I am on the correct dossage but for 1 month less than reccomeneded. Thats at least 1200 less mg I am getting than reccomened. I have read that if you take 100-120 for 4-5 months, acne re-occurance is 8.2 times less! Thats alot! 2 times would still be alot but 8.2. I asked him before I read this why some people I have read about go on it for 5 or 6 months and he said that might be for more severe cases but he usually prescribes 3 months treatments. I sure dont want the acne to come back, so if it means slapping on an extra month of treatement rather than doing the whole cycle over again in a year, so be it!

Comments please.

Andrew


Re: Accutane, sweet..sweet...accutane...

Posted by Walt Stoll on July 22, 1998 at 10:48:32:

In Reply to: Accutane, sweet..sweet...accutane... posted by Andrew on July 21, 1998 at 12:28:37:

Dear Andrew,

ONLY the prescribing physician can answer ANY of your questions. Let us hope that s/he is competent to do so. Those who are not, have no business prescribing it.

If you want to know why, go to the archives for this 'site & read everything you can find about acne, accutane & accutane side effects.

THEN, if you still have questions, write again.

Walt



Re: Accutane, sweet..sweet...accutane...

Posted by Andrew on July 22, 1998 at 15:29:04:

In Reply to: Re: Accutane, sweet..sweet...accutane... posted by Walt Stoll on July 22, 1998 at 10:48:32:

Dr. Stoll,

Thanks for the advice but I have allready downloaded all of the acne/accutane archives, coppied them all into a word processor (473 pages) and read the entire thing. I am currently reading through the 410 messages in the alt.skincare.acne newsgroup. I have read and read. I have also read all the archives to do with nutrition and relaxion and have given up on the whole "wellness" program. I want RESULTS. I DONT want to try some "radical" tecnique (wellness) that my doctor thinks is bull, along with the rest of the professionals and citizens in this world. I dont want to devote 6 months of my precious teen years to something that may not work if I so much as eat a less than wholesome snack. Wellness is not guarenteed, while yet is accutane. But Accutane is not dependant on WHAT I do. I dont want my acne sitting on the tip of my skin just waiting for me to screw up with my diet or miss a meditation session. I want it gone. Teen years are precious and I seriously dont think that at my age I cant acne free as well as enjoy foods which our society is based on. Sure I could try to perfect my diet and lifestyle until im 20 and maybe be acne free but I want to go out for cokes with my frieds and enjoy life.

"...Those who are not, have no business prescribing it.
If you want to know why, go to the archives for this 'site & read everything you can find about acne, accutane & accutane side effects."

So if I want to know why uneducated doctors have no business prescribing accutane, I can look in the archives?? Because they can give the wrong dossages which may lead to dammage. That is common sense, I dont know why I am being sent to the "information bin" when all I want is some comments about my dossage. My case is unique of others. I have read of no other case when the patient was only on for 3 months.

Andrew

THEN, if you still have questions, write again.




Re: Accutane, sweet..sweet...accutane...

Posted by Kyra on July 22, 1998 at 16:36:03:

In Reply to: Re: Accutane, sweet..sweet...accutane... posted by Andrew on July 22, 1998 at 15:29:04:


Dear Andrew,

Thanks for honestly expressing your frustration. All I can offer you is that years from now when you inevitably start developing serious health problems you may reflect on the advice you got from Dr. Stoll and wish you'd invested some of your teen years in wellness and not Cokes. We are brainwashed by the medical mainstream, Andrew. I wouldn't be alive now if I hadn't woken up to that truth and taken up wellness seriously. In my case the precipitating factor to waking up was developing a brain tumor. It's a small investment to take care of yourself, all factors considered. I was a teen, too, with acne, drinking Cokes, and growing that tumor all at the same time.

Kyra



Re: Accutane, sweet..sweet...accutane...

Posted by john on July 22, 1998 at 16:48:56:

In Reply to: Re: Accutane, sweet..sweet...accutane... posted by Andrew on July 22, 1998 at 15:29:04:

Hi Andrew!
I, too, was prescribed the three month Accutane regimen at 40mg a day. I finished my last dose about a week ago. My complexion started clearing up almost immediately after starting the medication. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that the results will last at least several months. Don't really know what to expect! If you go by the information posted on this BB, we have imposed a death sentence on ourselves by taking this medication. My immediate side effects were the typical dry lips and skin. Nothing else. That's not to say that YOU may not experience some of the horrifying stories that we've read. Who knows what to believe? I can only tell you about my immediate experience. I have to admit I'm skeptical about both sides of the stories. What Dr. Stoll talks about makes sense...how can a healthy lifestyle NOT be good for our own well-being? But then again, does EVERY person who takes Accutane have to expect that in the future we will suffer the unavoidable consequences of our bodies breaking down completely, betraying our past medical decisions as being self-destructive? Who knows what to believe?!!!!! Does EVERY person who suffers from acne past the age of puberty suffer from hypothyroidism? When I looked up the symptoms of that illness, I could not pick out a single symptom that applies to me (at this time). Wouldn't it be wonderful if we could find some information that listed ALL medical reasons for adult acne? I realize that you are a teenager...I have a 15 year old son who suffers from a pretty bad case of acne. While I chose to take Accutane, I'm not sure that I would approve of him taking it. I'm just not convinced on either point of view (alternative-vs-conventional). We can only wait and see. BUT I WILL admit that about thirty some odd years ago I was treated with an antibiotic that was eventually pinpointed as the culprit in staining patient's teeth. I had to have my teeth veneered several years ago. Just because a medication has been approved for sale doesn't mean that it is perfectly safe, huh?


Re: Accutane, sweet..sweet...accutane...

Posted by john on July 22, 1998 at 16:52:01:

In Reply to: Re: Accutane, sweet..sweet...accutane... posted by Kyra on July 22, 1998 at 16:36:03:

Kyra, I'm terribly sorry to hear of your illness. But just so I understand, are you saying that Accutane caused your brain tumor?


Re: Accutane, sweet..sweet...accutane...

Posted by Kyra on July 22, 1998 at 17:37:59:

In Reply to: Re: Accutane, sweet..sweet...accutane... posted by john on July 22, 1998 at 16:52:01:


Hi John,

I had a feeling I wasn't clear about that, so thanks for catching it. No, Accutane didn't cause my brain tumor. I don't think Accutane was even around the dozen plus years ago that I had my head successfully Rotorooted; besides, I've never taken it. My implied meaning was that over time the cumulative effects of too many potentially toxic prescription meds, poor diet, and lack of regular stress release wiped out my immune response to the point that my body was open to serious illness at its weakest links. I firmly believe that everyone in this country is at risk for developing serious illness if we keep on trusting in our physicians' infallibility, knowledgeability, and relentless overprescription of prescription drugs. Sure, there are times when drugs are nessary. Surgery too. I wouldn't be here if not for the life-saving care I received at the time. I also believe that we need to combine the best of both modalities--Western (allopathic) medicine and alternative medicine/healing techniques in order to thrive and survive. Had I been practicing skilled relaxation and eating right for many years, perhaps my immune system would have been strong enough to withstand brain cancer. All I know is, after my wake-up call I began cleaning up my act , reading, researching, and learning about how Western medicine really operates. It was eye-opening, to put it mildly. I don't think that there's any doubt that my long-term survival (which is still relatively rare in terms of head and neck cancers) after having a transitional (benign moving towards malignant) navel orange taken out of my head is attributable to meditation, cleaning up my diet, refusing the prescription drugs offered to me at the sign of a sniffle, and regular exercise. Since embarking on Dr. Stoll's specific regimen my overall health has improved even more drastically.

As far as Accutane goes, I do think it's a very risky drug. Its listed rare side effects are indeed not uncommon at all. Check out the medical databases available on the Net, and not just this BB. The horror stories re. Accutane are there too. I'm sure that there's the rare fortunate person whose acne is permanently cleared up by taking it, and I truly hope that you and Andrew fit into this category. The vast majority of folks have their acne recur with increasing severity after each coure of Accutane and subsequent relapse. There comes the time when the drug simply stops working. And yes, one of the listed rare side effects of Accutane is in fact brain tumors. I'm one of those people who inevitably experiences the rare side effect no matter what prescription drug I've taken. I doubt that I'm alone.

All the best to you!
Kyra



The Folly Of Youth

Posted by CyberMage on July 23, 1998 at 00:13:11:

In Reply to: Re: Accutane, sweet..sweet...accutane... posted by Andrew on July 22, 1998 at 15:29:04:

I was young once. Still am.

But here's the scoop. I'm diabetic, see. I wanted a cure. I
don't mean "controlling" it. I too want it gone. Like it
never existed. What have the meds got for me? They got
medicine -what did you expect? Filled with fantastic claims.
Utter BS. Nasty side effects. Rare? I don't call 40% rare.
Do you?

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, our hero is pondering the
newest modern medical miracle, and sees his life flash
before his eyes. Nodding sagely to himself he says
"There's got to be a better way" and no sooner than
does he utter these words than does the light dawn!

I will become better (I'm skipping the boring research,
reading the archives, inummerable web searches, etc.),
sronger, faster -"We can rebuild him. We have the technology..."
Cue Bionic Man music.

The Point? You aren't going to be "young" forever. Let me
rephrase that: You aren't going to be young & stupid
forever. You can't live on Cokes, and you DO NOT have a
cast iron stomach capable of digesting anything.

Look at your parents, older brothers and sisters any of
your peers who are overweight. Take a good look. Imagine
yourself old before your time. It is where you are going.

Me? I count myself lucky as all get out. Found that cure?
Yup, sure did. Not a drug. Live right. Take care of body.
You only get one per lifetime. Eat right. Exercise.
Avoid AH's if possible, especially the coke-drinking
variety ;-). Not always possible, so meditate and release
stress.

Seriously kid,

It is an investment. Coke will always be around. I know that
peer-pressure is kicking your ass, but how can you be your
own person if you are constantly worrying about fitting in?

You aren't likely to take anyone's advice (such is the way
of youth) but you should download these comments. They'll
make interesting reading when you're on your 437th course of
Accutane, Sweet, Sweet Accutane...


CyberMage


Re: Accutane, sweet..sweet...accutane...

Posted by Deryk Bramwell on July 23, 1998 at 08:17:10:

In Reply to: Accutane, sweet..sweet...accutane... posted by Andrew on July 21, 1998 at 12:28:37:

Hi Andrew,

Well I suspect that you've guessed that there is a lot of concern for you and your situation, expressed in a variety of ways.

All of us liked to eat the typical diet - I've moved away from it and had very positive results.

I will repeat an item I sent to the board recently.
I am 53, weigh what I did when I finished school 36 years ago, and am considered to be 'in shape'.

Althouch my facial acne was mild, I have always had 1 or 2 'zitz' on my shoulders and back, and this in spite of eating a half-way decent diet ( lots of the good stuff but also a decent dollop of junk every day ).
Last October or so I started to take a daily capsule of EPA, Borage Oil and Flaxseed Oil for the Gamma xx stuff, and have not had 1 zit this year that I can recall.

I have sufferd from an arthritic condition that I treat with a daily Voltaren tablet - this allows me the flexibility to chase after my 8 yo daughter, swim and jog, but has the side effect of a wrecked stomach, nausea and dizziness in the evening if I take it without a decent balance of grub, and no tolerance for alcohol at all.

My preaching is to take what you choose - but really ensure your choice is not going to harm you.

Let us know what your decision is. The point about the wellness program is that you do NOT have to be PERFECT, but by applying a squeeze of common sense you can look after the bod and mind, and still have some fun.

Tally ho,

Deryk


Re: Accutane, sweet..sweet...accutane...

Posted by Walt Stoll on July 23, 1998 at 13:29:01:

In Reply to: Re: Accutane, sweet..sweet...accutane... posted by Andrew on July 22, 1998 at 15:29:04:

Dear Andrew,

The purpose of the archives is to be sure that you DO know your alternatives.

I have NO problem with people making bad decisions once they KNOW their options. Everyone has the right to do THAT.

I would like to remind you of the couch potato story that describes what is going on here:

There was a couch potato, doing his thing, when the doorbell started ringing. He didn't want to get up so he didn't. HOWEVER, the bell continued to ring till it was driving him to distraction. SO, he got up and cut the wires to the doorbell. It stopped ringing & he went back to watching TV. Unfortunately for him, it was his neighbor trying to warn him that his house was on fire.

If your Accutane is successful in getting rid of the acne, you have successfully cut the wires. No one with persistant acne is healthy. The acne is but one way that the body is trying to warn one that something is wrong. Your next warning will, of necessity, be louder (something worse than acne).

Good luck. You, at least went to the bother to try to learn something. That is FAR ahead of most people out there just trusting their "doctor".

Walt



Re: Accutane, sweet..sweet...accutane...

Posted by Andrew on July 23, 1998 at 16:25:33:

In Reply to: Re: Accutane, sweet..sweet...accutane... posted by Walt Stoll on July 23, 1998 at 13:29:01:

Walt,

So according to your philophy, could you say that if everyone in the world followed the wellness program, there would be no illnesses? No need for hospitals. The only people that would be in hospitals are the ones that are hit from cars or got in accidents? I find that hard to believe, BUT if everyone followed it to the T, no one should ever get sick. Correct? If that were the case, it would mean that everyone's bodies are built exacly the same and if we all lived the same wellness lifestyle, we would all die at the same time. You dont believe that people with cyctic acne are born with an abmormally high level of hormones and they are not EXACLTY the same as other people? I am getting the idea that u think we all are born with the same level of sebus which is secreted and the healthy people dont get acne from it because their wellness lowers the levels and the non-healthy people do. hmm..

Jesus ate WHITE bread, wine, fish, meat. Why would we reject most of the foods that god has given us. God made animals for man to eat. Why shouldnt we eat the foods god origionally supplied us with? Even if it means we get sick, should we really try to eat better than Jesus did? You may think that he may have eaten a whole foods diet if he had the chance, but he had his faith in God, not in his health, just like we should.

Treat your body as a temple but not to the point where all your faith is in your health.

Andrew



Who are you really, Andrew?

Posted by Peggy on July 23, 1998 at 20:52:29:

In Reply to: Re: Accutane, sweet..sweet...accutane... posted by Andrew on July 23, 1998 at 16:25:33:

Get serious Andrew,

God did not originally supply us with white bread and wine. I don't see any fields flowing with loaves of Wonder Bread nor do I see vines of Cabernet Sauvignon. MAN stripped the grains and manipulated the grapes to make these two products. As for meat, that is debatable whether animals were put here to be consumed. Anyway, this is not a site for the religious debate that you now want to turn to.

Besides, it's suddenly looking apparent that Andrew is a fake and wasting everybody's time -- as entertaining as he is.

By the way, as most of us know, there are cultures in existence that are still untouched by civilization and are disease-FREE. What do you think they're eating, Andrew? Not your beloved Coke.

Peggy



ACNE

Posted by Mary on July 24, 1998 at 08:36:17:

In Reply to: Who are you really, Andrew? posted by Peggy on July 23, 1998 at 20:52:29:

Dear Dr. Stoll or others,

My daughter has what is considered moderate acne and is not considered cystic although it looks pretty bad to me at times. It is only on her face. I have taken her to traditional dermatologists who have prescribed antibiotic treatments and retin-A. Nothing ever really worked that well and the office visits were expensive. Now she is going to a very holistic doctor who has me giving her injections that I believe are B12 and liver enzymes or something and she is taking all kinds of supplements. She is also seeing a woman at the office who does aromatherapy and facial massage and is called an eschatologist I believe. Liz loves the whole regime and feels very positive about it. Her skin does look like something is happening but it still looks pretty bad, although the doctor and eschatologist are saying it is all working.

Now - I am a registered nurse and health educator from the allopathic tradition, who has been involved with holistic and alternative approaches for the last several years. We eat a plant based diet, little meat and little fat, but nothing fanatical. Liz eats a very low fat diet and lots of fruits and vegetables. She is also very active and I might add stressed as she is trying to finish her last year of college and pursue a graduate degree in Physical Therapy.

We considered acutane if this "natural" approach does not work, but I am really afraid of the side effects and long term consequenses of such a wonder drug.

Are we doing the right thing for her now?


Peggy, are you really, Peggy?

Posted by Andrew on July 24, 1998 at 10:28:19:

In Reply to: Who are you really, Andrew? posted by Peggy on July 23, 1998 at 20:52:29:

Peggy:

Let me remind you that Jesus turned water into wine. He DIDN'T turn water in to mineral water or some whole food. Sure man made bread and wine but who made man. God did. Your comment about man making bread and wine is like saying, "the light reflecting off of water particles is what makes rainbows, not god." Who do you think YOU are for cutting down my opinions on this board. Here is a quote for you to think about.

1 Cor 10:24-27
24 Nobody should seek his own good, but the good of others.
25 Eat anything sold in the meat market without raising questions of conscience,
26 for, "The earth is the Lord's and everything in it."
27 If some unbeliever invites you to a meal and you want to go, eat whatever is put before you without raising questions of conscience.


As you can see, "eat whatever is put before you, NOT, eat only the whole foods put before you." That means if I am a friends house and he offers me my "beloved coke" I will accept it and be thankful.
Now if Jesus says to eat anything sold at the MEAT market without raising questions, dont you think that this sort of sounds like he WANTS us to eat meat? Its explained thoughorly in the Bible. Do some research before questioning "who I am."


Re: Accutane, sweet..sweet...accutane...

Posted by Walt Stoll on July 24, 1998 at 11:28:38:

In Reply to: Re: Accutane, sweet..sweet...accutane... posted by Andrew on July 23, 1998 at 16:25:33:


Dear Andrew,

You have a lot to learn, just like the rest of us. The main difference with you (as I glean from your notes) is that you don't yet know it.

There were NO refined grains when Jesus lived. How could he have eaten white bread? Most of your statements are made with your having put NO effort into learning about them. No one is going to spoon feed you this information--least of all me. I have spent 40 years of my life learning this. How about you spending one?

ALL researchers in this area have said, for more than 50 years, that if people just ate a whole foods diet (in this country--every country is different) the medical expenses would go down by 75%. That still leaves 25% that would have to do relaxation & exercise, along with the diet, to be free of nearly all chronic disease.

There is a "bell curve" of genetic susceptibility. Some few people will be sick no matter what they do. Some few people will be well no matter what they do. Have you even heard of the "bell curve".

If you had any idea how much of your ignorance you were revealing by what you are saying, you would be embarassed. There is nothing wrong with being ignorant. It is a correctable condition by learning. Only the individual can determine whether s/he is stupid (not so easily corrected) or just ignorant.

Come back when you have put a little effort into this.

Walt


Re: ACNE

Posted by Walt Stoll on July 24, 1998 at 11:37:28:

In Reply to: ACNE posted by Mary on July 24, 1998 at 08:36:17:

Dear Mary,

As I have said so many times on this BB: of the 3 things that create wellness (what works for acne and any chronic diseases--diet, exercise and skilled relaxation), diet is the least important for acne. For this condition skilled relaxation is by far the most important. Doing all three works better than any one alone, of course.

Since YOU cannot do this research for your daughter, SHE is going to have to do it. Her options, and the resources supporting them are available on this BB under the archives. If she is not willing to put that much effort in, there is NO WAY that she would consider actually DOING what she would learn by reading since THAT takes a LOT more effort. It is the rare teenager who will put in that much effort but those who do not only clear up their acne but become much heathier individuals in the process.

Do not feel bad if she is not willing to learn about this OR do it. You can only open doors.

Walt



Re: Accutane, sweet..sweet...accutane...

Posted by Melanie on July 27, 1998 at 11:23:33:

In Reply to: Re: Accutane, sweet..sweet...accutane... posted by Walt Stoll on July 24, 1998 at 11:28:38:

My son was put on accutane June '97. All went well till he had been on the drug (40mgs.) 2 months. On Aug. 24th, he woke up and was totally deaf in his right ear! He wound up having surgery and has regained about 50% of his hearing. His ear specialist thinks the accutane could have been responsible for the loss because it has been known to cause intercranial hypertention, or swelling of the brain. He took him off the accutane but his face is now breaking out again! He's 16 and hates having zits! Do you think there is a link between the drug and hearing loss, or would it be safe to put him back on accutane for another course?
Thanks Melanie



Re: Accutane - Heat Rash Side Effect?

Posted by mike gabriel on July 27, 1998 at 20:19:38:

In Reply to: Accutane, sweet..sweet...accutane... posted by Andrew on July 21, 1998 at 12:28:37:


Has anyone ever heard about severe heat rash as a side effect of accutane treatment? I took accutane in the early 1980's, and believe that the drug changed my skin chemistry so that after exposure to excessive heat, a severe rash breaks out (starts as small red bumps within 4-6 hours and turns into blisters within one day) mainly on my back and shoulders. This can be due to just heat, with or without direct sunlight. This never happened prior to accutane treatment even though I used to play many hours of tennis in 90+ degree temperature.... Mike


Re: Accutane, sweet..sweet...accutane...

Posted by Walt Stoll on July 28, 1998 at 14:40:57:

In Reply to: Re: Accutane, sweet..sweet...accutane... posted by Melanie on July 27, 1998 at 11:23:33:

Dear Melanie,

I have never heard of such a thing in a 16 year old who was not taking SOME dangerous drug.

The age of 16 is a terrible one for doing what will REALLY resolve this safely and completely. Sixteen year-olds already know everything so he is not likely to want to learn about wellness OR discipline himself to actually do it (even though he will SAY that he "will do anything" to have a clear face).

Once one has a serious reaction to accutane, the second round is even more likely to cause something more serious. This progression is the same as with any hypersensitivity to ANY drug.

If he gets interested in practicing wellness, go to the FAQ page about "How to be Healthy" and have him read it. If he thinks he would be willing to do it, there is a section in my book (with extensive references) for him to learn how. The libraries are FULL of books on wellness. Unfortunately, most of them do not explain, very well, WHY one has to do what they have to do to get all the wonderful results.

Walt



Steroids

Posted by Kevin on July 22, 1998 at 15:06:43:

It appears as there is a far greater risk taking Accutane than than taking steroids. Why don't I just go on the juice, get big (actually be guarenteed results) and hope that the extra testosterone helps my acne like when girls take extra estrogen it helps their acne. What have I got to lose? Testicles?


Re: Steroids

Posted by Walt Stoll on July 23, 1998 at 10:20:42:

In Reply to: Steroids posted by Kevin on July 22, 1998 at 15:06:43:

Dear Kevin,

Acne is caused mostly by the IMBALANCE of the glands not by the level of one (other than as that causes an imbalance).

Walt



Re: Steroids

Posted by Smash on July 23, 1998 at 17:54:07:

In Reply to: Steroids posted by Kevin on July 22, 1998 at 15:06:43:

First of all, steroids is not a guarantee that you'll get big.

Secondly, if you have an acna problem, the last thing you
want to do is steroids. Why? Steroids will elevate you
testosterone levels and, in turn, you estrogen levels will
also increase. When you go off of steroids, your testicles will not be producing enough testosterone and your estrogen level will be sky high. You will end up getting Acne far worse than you could ever imagine. Trust me, if you want to get rid of acne, don't do steroids.




Stress

Posted by Sam on July 22, 1998 at 15:08:29:

Is suicide an effective way to relieve stress? Im sure I wont have acne in heaven?

Sam


Re: Stress

Posted by Linda on July 22, 1998 at 15:31:55:

In Reply to: Stress posted by Sam on July 22, 1998 at 15:08:29:


Sam,

I also suffered with terrible acne (cystic). Everything the dermatologist gave me made it worse. I finally went on Accutane for approx. 6 months. It cleared it up and I declined the second course. Some people just have oily skin. I am now 43 yr old and appreciate my oily skin because I don't have as many wrinkles as other people. Sunshine is good for acne as long as you don't overdo it. Please think positive, visualize your skin being clear. The more agitated you are the worse your acne will get. I also have a serious autoimmune disease. I would be happy to have just plain old acne! Good luck to you.

Linda



Re: Stress

Posted by Walt Stoll on July 23, 1998 at 13:39:55:

In Reply to: Re: Stress posted by Linda on July 22, 1998 at 15:31:55:

Dear Linda,

Thank you so much for your very timely note! Take a look at my response to Andrew, today, under the subject of Accutane, sweet, sweet accutane.

Your autoimmune condition could have been prevented if anyone had known enough to get you to address your acne with "wellness". You did not heed the message of the acne so your bodymind had to send you a louder message (your autoimmune problem). We MDs have only understood this within the past 20 years (and only a few MDs at that). How could you have known?

Naturopaths, Chiropractors, Homeopaths (ANY practitioner EXCEPT Allopaths) knew about this for the past 100 years. We MDs have exploited our monopoly to keep these messages from the public so WE were the only ones the people would listen to. NOW, you are paying the price of our greedy arrogance!

At this point, your best thing to do is still "wellness" EVEN if you are satisfied with your alloapthic treatment. Wellness would not interfere with any conventional treatment you might be doing. All you would notice is that you would begin to start feeling better & your conventional treatment would no longer be needed.

I know, from your note, that you already know a lot of all this----having learned it the hard way over your life time. However, you gave me the opportunity to use your experience as a contrast to Andrew's belief that, somehow, he can beat the system.

Namaste` Walt



Re: Stress

Posted by Kevin on July 28, 1998 at 21:24:41:

In Reply to: Stress posted by Sam on July 22, 1998 at 15:08:29:

Hi Sam,

I know exactly what you are going through. I hated and loved sports at the same time. I was always worried about taking my shirt off to unveal unsightly acne. I went to a dermatologist for many years and only ended up with scars. The one thing I did find to help was sun>>get a good tan! I was on massive doses of vitamin A to no avail. I am 41 now and have scars on my back and chest, at least my face was spared somewhat. I am now married to a beautiful girl who is 10 years younger than I and she married me for myself and the scars didn't bother her. I can honestly say that over the years they bother me less and less. I even go swimming now and wouldn't even consider it when I was younger. So hang in there it gets better!! If you ever want to talk feel free to email me.

Kevin



Acne-Accutane

Posted by Elizabeth on July 22, 1998 at 16:55:37:

I have been on accutane for about 5 months. My doctor started off having me take two 40mg pills a day. He increased the medicine to taking 3 a day, now he has me on 4 pills a day because it's not clearing my skin as much as he would like to see. My question is, after about a month of taking the accutane, the cuticle area of my fingers got infected. They are puffy and red, they puss and bleed,and hurt very bad. My doctor says that it's just a side effect and there is not much he can do about it and that I just have to take the pain or stop taking the medicine. My fingers have been like this almost the entire time I have been on the medicine and they have even gotten worse from the increase of dosage, I wanted to know if this is a normal side effect and if this side effect is something that can really harm me? When I showed my doctor, he took a sample and when it came back ok, he told me that if it wasn't pussing, there wasn't an infection. At that point, I told him that they do puss and he kinda blew me off. The thing is is that I would really hate to stop taking the accutane at this point, after 5 months, because I have been on it for so long and it makes me feel like a waist of time, money, and pain. I would also like to know what you're opinion on this is. Thank you for your help.


Re: Acne-Accutane

Posted by Walt Stoll on July 23, 1998 at 14:11:14:

In Reply to: Acne-Accutane posted by Elizabeth on July 22, 1998 at 16:55:37:

Dear Elizabeth.

"Pouring more money down a rat hole will not fill it quicker." You can tell that I was born & raised on the farm (grin).

Use the link: acne archives and read everything you can find about acne, accutane & accutane side effects.

THEN, when you see what your options are, you might see that you are not trapped by accutane.

THEN, if you still have questions, write again.

Walt



Re: Accutane Side Effects

Posted by Diane on July 22, 1998 at 17:26:07:

I took accutane 10 years ago. It caused mild side effects such as chapped lips and dry eyes. My dry eyes never became normal again, and I have never been able to wear contact lenses since. In fact, my eyes are painfully dry all the time. I have also heard that it causes your body to scar more easily. I do scar more easily than before. I never put two and two together until several years later. I just wanted to know if you had any comments on this?


Re: Accutane Side Effects

Posted by Walt Stoll on July 23, 1998 at 14:22:24:

In Reply to: Re: Accutane Side Effects posted by Diane on July 22, 1998 at 17:26:07:

Dear Diane,

Too bad you didn't have a knowledgable & trusted physician back then to at least tell you of the wellness options. You might have chosen them.

You are likely stuck with this permanent side-effect for life.

A good herbologist/homeopath/ acupuncturist might be able to help but, even if they can, you will probably have to do what they say the rest of your life to keep your benefits.

A study released this year says that, just among hospitalized patients (the best monitored and controlled environment in the country for patients) more than 100,000 people DIED in 1994 just from their medications. This does not count those who just got sicker from them but only those who actually died from their prescribed drugs. This makes this the 4th most common cause of death in the country--only exceeded by cancer, heart disease and stroke. Since this does not even count those out of the hospital where monitoring is nil, what ever happened to the Hippocratic Oath's first admonition: "First do no harm!"?

ONLY public education will put an end to this atrocity!

Walt



ACCUTANE

Posted by THERESA on July 23, 1998 at 22:06:03:

A QUESTION - CAN WEIGHT LOSS BE A SIDE EFFECT OF ACCUTANE USE? I LOST 10 LBS DURING THE COURSE OF TREATMENT AND WANTED TO KNOW IF THIS WAS A RESULT OF ACCUTANE / ? THANKS


Re: ACCUTANE

Posted by Walt Stoll on July 24, 1998 at 11:55:35:

In Reply to: ACCUTANE posted by THERESA on July 23, 1998 at 22:06:03:

Dear Theresa,

The only person who can answer that question is the one who prescribed it for you. If you want to know why that is, go to the archives & read up on accutane side effects.

Walt



Re: ACCUTANE

Posted by Kathy A on July 30, 1998 at 20:13:37:

In Reply to: ACCUTANE posted by THERESA on July 23, 1998 at 22:06:03:

I heard there was a recent article linking accutane with manic/depression? Do you know of such an article or what research has been done?



Re: ACCUTANE

Posted by Walt Stoll on July 31, 1998 at 11:36:32:

In Reply to: Re: ACCUTANE posted by Kathy A on July 30, 1998 at 20:13:37:

Dear Kathy,

I have not sen the actual article but know of its existance. I did not bother to collect it since this has been a fairly commonly observed phenomenon and I was not surprised to hear about it.

Walt



Accutane

Posted by Ally on July 24, 1998 at 06:53:18:

Hi There!

My dermatologist suggested that I begin therapy with Accutane. She also suggested that I use it in conjunction with Obagi Nu derm. After having read this board on patient's experiences with accutane, I've come to the conclusion that the side effects (not to mention the cost)outweigh the satisfaction of being temporarily relieved of acne. Therefore I've decided to stay clear of the accutane and perhaps use Obagi. Care to share any Obagi experiences? Thanks!


Re: Accutane

Posted by Walt Stoll on July 25, 1998 at 07:45:12:

In Reply to: Accutane posted by Ally on July 24, 1998 at 06:53:18:

Dear Ally,

In MY experience, NO treatment is permanently effective against ANY chronic condition. It is what you DO that resolves something like acne.

You would be wise to use the archives for this 'site and read everything you can find about acne, accutane & accutane side-effects. From what you have in this note, you may have already done that. If you have, and you are still looking for a MAGICAL solution, come back when this new stuff fails. The solution to acne, though certain, is NOT easy. No one can blame you for wanting an easier solution than a "Wellness Program"

Remember the "couch potato & his doorbell".

Walt



Re: Accutane

Posted by bruce p. on July 27, 1998 at 23:49:10:

In Reply to: Re: Accutane posted by Walt Stoll on July 25, 1998 at 07:45:12:

I was treated for cystic acne with accutane for a five month course at 80 mg. fifteen years ago. As the result of the drug I have chronically dry eyes,skin and mouth. I recovered only a percentage of the oil, tears and moisture that accutane took from me. Any suggestion?


Sincerely,

bruce p.




Re: Accutane

Posted by Walt Stoll on July 28, 1998 at 15:32:26:

In Reply to: Re: Accutane posted by bruce p. on July 27, 1998 at 23:49:10:

Dear Bruce,

It is still not too late to do the wellness program that would have avoided the need for any accutane. It is still the best bet you have to get closer to normal.

Walt



Re: Accutane

Posted by Angie on July 31, 1998 at 19:04:30:

In Reply to: Accutane posted by Ally on July 24, 1998 at 06:53:18:

I am on my second course of accutane. I have been on it for 3 1/2 months this time, but I quit taking it several days ago after experiencing severe diarrhea, bad headaches, nausea, and an excruciating pain in my right side. I am scared to think what might be wrong, so could you advise -
please?
Thanks,
Angie - 30 yrs old


Re: Accutane

Posted by Walt Stoll on August 01, 1998 at 10:33:11:

Dear Angie,

If accutane was my only option, I could see struggling to take it. If you are intereested in your other options, use the archives for this 'site & read everything you can find about acne, accutane and accutane side effects.

THEN, if you still have questions, write again.

Walt



ACCUTANE FOR LICHEN PLANUS

Posted by P.J. MCBRIDE on July 24, 1998 at 21:01:30:

I'VE BEEN DIAGNOISED AS HAVING LICHENPLANUS.
I HAD BEEN TAKING PREDISONE, BUT I HAD TO MANY PROBLEMS WITH IT. THE LICHEN PLANUS SEEMS TO BE GETTING WORST IN SOME PLACES AND BETTER. MY QUESTION IS DO YOU THINK TAKING ACCUTANE WILL HELP AT ALL. I AM A BLACK WOMEN AND MY SKIN HAS DARKER MARKS ALL OVER ME. I'VE HAD THIS ONCE BEFORE BUT IT WASN'T NEARLY THE BAD. PREDNISONE WAS JUST THE ANSWER LAST TIME, THAT WAS ABOUT 12 YEARS AGO, AND NOW IT'S BACK. ALSO, DOES TAKING ACCUTANE CAUSE WEIGHT GAIN? THE PREDNISONE DID. I'M IN THE MILITARY AND I CAN'T AFFORD TO GAIN ANYMORE WEIGHT.


Re: ACCUTANE FOR LICHEN PLANUS

Posted by Walt Stoll on July 25, 1998 at 09:38:49:

In Reply to: ACCUTANE FOR LICHEN PLANUS posted by P.J. MCBRIDE on July 24, 1998 at 21:01:30:

Dear P.J.,

Lichen planus is caused by dysautonomia combined with endocrinopathy. The ONLY thing that is going to stop this is your knowledge.

There is a book that was written about you that you need to read: "Mind as Healer, Mind as Slayer" by Dr Pelletier. Get the most recent edition. THEN, when you are ready to DO what needs to be done, get a copy of my book & ask any questions you might have right here on this BB.

It would have been nice for you to have had this information 12 years ago but no one told you. This is your second chance.

Walt



ACNE

Posted by David on July 26, 1998 at 14:08:29:

Dr. Stoll, I am a 21 year old male and I have severe acne on my back and shoulders. It does not affect my face or any where else. This problem first started when I was about 16 years old and I thought I would outgrow it. I went to the dermatologist when I was around 19 and was given tetracycline. It worked great however I had to stop taking it because It made me pretty sick with the side effects. I was then prescribed a milder drug called minocycline. I reseacrhed the drug and found that there had been occurences where people had developed a disease called lupus or lupus-like symptoms from taking minocycline. Since there was a member in my family with lupus, I decided not to take it worrying that maybe I would have an even greater proneness to this side effect.

In your opinion, what is the "safest" of the prescribed drugs (antibiotics or whatever) for acne?

Another note that might interest you is that I heard anti-bacterial soaps were great for acne. So, I began using SAFEGUARD the common soap that can be found everywhere. Well, in about 3 weeks I was completely "cured" of my acne. However, about 3 months later the acne came back just a bad. I heard that the bacteria in acne builds a resistnace against anti-bacterial soaps. I can say that when I used SAFEGUARD my acne did completely go away for a while. Since the soap did help me for a while, I researched it further. I heard that "tea tree oil" is as good as 5-10% benzoyl peroxide. I read that tea tree had over thousands of years developed a resistance to many fungi and bacterias. I know that tea tree oil is being looked at for approval by the FDA. What do you think of tea tree oil? I found a website that offers a anti-fungus/anti-bacterial soap with tea tree oil as the main ingredient at: http://www.fungusumungus.com
What is your opinion on tea tree oil and this soap product?


Re: ACNE

Posted by Walt Stoll on July 27, 1998 at 10:41:43:

In Reply to: ACNE posted by David on July 26, 1998 at 14:08:29:

Dear David,

Tea Tree Oil and antibacterial soaps DO sometimes help. However, I have yet to see anything that was put on the acne work permanently.

ALL people with acne past puberty have a glandular imbalance.

This has been discussed, exhaustively, as to what the options are for clearing this "message" the bodymind is sending.

Go to the link: acne archives and read everything you can find about acne, accutane and accutane side-effects (the latter 2 because many of the options are listed there).

THEN, if you still have questions, write again.

Walt



Re: ACNE

Posted by David on July 27, 1998 at 14:02:08:

In Reply to: Re: ACNE posted by Walt Stoll on July 27, 1998 at 10:41:43:

Dear Dr. Stoll,

In your opinion, what is the "safest" (with the least amount of side effects) of the prescribed drugs (antibiotics or whatever) for acne?


Re: ACNE

Posted by Walt Stoll on July 28, 1998 at 14:58:02:

In Reply to: Re: ACNE posted by David on July 27, 1998 at 14:02:08:

Dear David,

Although I prescribed these drugs for nearly 15 years till I knew better, I would no longer use ANY of them.

Theere is a non-prescription thing you could take that may be very effective: Go to the FAQ page & read about essential oils. Also, there was a testimonial about the effectiveness of this within the last week--right here on this BB.

Walt



Re: Accutane : Side Effects

Posted by
Sharon on July 28, 1998 at 11:30:55:

I have a suppressed immune system and am being treated with accutane due to mites. Is this customary?

thank you


Re: Accutane : Side Effects

Posted by Walt Stoll on July 29, 1998 at 10:20:42:

In Reply to: Re: Accutane : Side Effects posted by Sharon on July 28, 1998 at 11:30:55:

Dear Sharon,

I guess I do not understand. You have "accutane due to mites"?

If I had a "suppressed immune system" one of the last things I would consider doing is taking accutane.

Please clarify what you think is going on.

Walt



Re: Accutane

Posted by Staci on July 28, 1998 at 19:04:44:


I am currently on my second bout of Accutane. 4 years ago when i was on it the first time, results were moderate, but as time passed, my skin began to get worse, so I went back again. I do not have severe acne, but it is, however, persistant. Acutane does have a lot of side-effects, but I think I can say that this may finally be it - this may be the end of my skin problems. I feel better about myself, but now I have some pretty deep scars. I, too, have been going to the dermatologist for about 7 years and also switched docs, but it does take a long time to finally get recommended for it. I think that if you'vebeen going for 7 years, you deserve the acutane. it's worth a shot. My side-effects come in cycles...first month dry skin, second month achiness. But i can honestly say that after 10 years with acne, i can live iwth 5 months of discomfort.


Re: Accutane

Posted by Walt Stoll on July 29, 1998 at 11:32:34:

In Reply to: Re: Accutane posted by Staci on July 28, 1998 at 19:04:44:

Dear Staci,

It continues to amaze me how many people would sooner cut the wires to their doorbell rather than answer the door.

Walt



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