My son has always refused "drugs" to treat his acne (bad) and now he has keloids. Dermatolgist recommends accutaine (no!) and small dose cortisone injections to the smaller scars (supposedly these don't enter the bloodstream but I don't know what prevents if scars are living and laser surgery (and this is a direct quote) "to level the field." The treatment he recommends would take 2 years. Do any of your books deal with keloids? Don't laugh but I've thought of trying Preparation H to see what would happen. Would you consider that a non-holisitc, for lack of a better word, tool (approach might serve better) ? Tool might be a word one of my kids would use to describe the people who abused you. My son is now 20 and his acne appears to be on the wane. He is a water addict and pees until it's clear b-4 engaging in sports. One of the things the doc says is that the keloids if left alone will continue to grow and probably become very sensitive and painful over time. Any comments would be appreciated.
In Reply to: Re: accutane posted by Anne on August 02, 1998 at 17:16:43:
My son had a terrible keloid that was proceeding on the conventional wisdom path (as predicted by his doc). A year ago it started to disappear and now is gone.
By all the science I know, that should be impossible since keloids are made up of scar tissue & scar tissue "never disappears".
However, I was told the same thing about atherosclerosis and now it is known to be reversable. I was told that hemorrhoids cannot disappear once they are present. I, personally, had severe hemorrhoids that totally disappeared within 6 months without surgery. SO, we know so little about what is possible for rthe human body.
We still do not know why my son'e keloids suddenly decided to disappear.
I would suggest that everyone should become aware of the electromagnetic "body". We know now that it changes before the "meat" of the body changes. It serves as a sort of blueprint for how the material aspect of the body replaces itself. EVERY part of the body replaces itself at a known rate (skin takes about 4 weeks). Why does he continue to replace his keloids with keloid instead of normal tissue???
If he is a student, I would suggest two interesting resources for him: Dr Richard Gerber, MD's classic: "Vibrational Medicine" AND Michael Murphy, PhD's classic :"The Future of the Body". THEN, if he still has questions, have him ask them here on this BB so that others can learn from our exchange. Any library should be able to find these for him.
Dr Stoll- I have noticed a lot of emphasis on health and exersize to help get rid of acne. I notice that whenever im in a high-exercize situation (summer camp, etc.) and i sweat a lot plus the exercise, my skin practically becomes perfect. does blood circulation, and sweat help get rid of the toxins that cause skin eruptions in the first place? its the only cure ive found so far.
In Reply to: natural acne cure posted by Sara on August 03, 1998 at 01:39:50:
We still have a lot to learn about all of the mechanisms behind persistant acne. The one thing that any student of the process knows is that it is related to hormonal imbalance. That is why it most commonly comes during the transition from the hormone balance of the child to the adult (called puberty). When it lasts beyond puberty, it still is due to a hormonal imbalance but the cause is then from that imbalance being precipitated by the storage of unnatural amounts of fight or flight "readiness" in the hypothalamus.
As such, ANY form of serious wellness (diet, exercise & skilled relaxation) will rebalance the hormones more than anything else we know. Of these three, the skilled relaxation is the most important. However, since each part multiplies the effect of any other part, combining any of them will help more.
Your exercise not only helps flush out your pores but is part of the natural discharge of the fight or flight. Some people will find that they can get back in balance by just doing even the diet (even though that is the least effective of the 3 parts).
The main reason I recommend all three is that EVERYONE will clear up with THAT combination.
There are still lots of people out there that will not even try ANY of the 3. Your note might help some of these "diehards" to open their minds a little.
Hope I am answering your question.
This is continued from the message below,
I forgot to ask, would it be harmful if I went on this androstene product while taking accutane? Should I wait until I am done? Thanks
In Reply to: Also... posted by Tyler on August 03, 1998 at 16:29:05:
Boy, Tyler, what are you doing?
The same approach that would do you the best in both areas at the same time is the direct opposite to the path you are on.
I am a 16 year old male and I have acne. I have had acne since I was 14 and I started getting pimples when I was in the 3rd grade. I have gone to a dermatolgist and she didn't help me one bit. I go to a homeopathic doctor now and he said that he would be able to help me a lot. I have been going there for at least a year and I am getting fed up with how little he is helping me. I am seriously thinking about going on accutane but my parents want me to do some research on it. I would like you to tell me what the side-effects are and if Accutane can cause sterility in men.
In Reply to: ACCUTANE posted by Mike on August 03, 1998 at 18:29:30:
Go to the archives & read everything you can find about acne, accutane & accutane side-effects.
THEN, if you still have questions, write again.
In Reply to: Re: ACCUTANE posted by Walt Stoll on August 04, 1998 at 21:08:31:
All I am really looking for is proof that Accutane won't cause sterility later in life. My parents are really worried that it could happen b/c of what happens to a fetus while a woman is pregnant and on Accutane.
In Reply to: Re: ACCUTANE posted by Mike on August 05, 1998 at 22:18:34:
Only the prescribing physician can tell any individual this since everyone reacts differently. That is why no physician prescribes this without a complete history, physical and laboratory workup first. Why do you think that it is available on prescription only?
If you are interested in why this is so, go to the archives & read about it.
In Reply to: Re: ACCUTANE posted by Walt Stoll on August 06, 1998 at 11:22:07:
Don't put all your faith in Accutane. I took it for 6 month and wouldn't reccomend it to anyone.... I definately would not want my children taking it.
I felt cloudy or "out of it" for the duration of the time.
I had major eye problems (cornial ulcer) due to dryness and contacts (don't wear them at all).
My hair definately thinned. I could not work out like I usually did due to muscle and joint pain.
I was shedding skin and dry.... basically I was antisocial for the whole time....
And then..... The "Miracle Drug" Failed me... My acne became more cystic and worse. Talk about depression ! ! !
If I were you I'd read as much as I could on this board and the net.
I'd work out regularly..... and eat as well as you possibly can... don't go too crazy ! ! ! ! You might as well just cut out fried foods, Fast Foods, all Weight Gainers, Sweets and Eggs. Not bad, right?
Don't always look for the "quick fix"
To the doc,
I am currently twenty years old, and have been battling bad skin for years. It all started when I was seventeen, and i developed a severe case of acne. A doctor prescribed me to put on elocon to alleviate my conditon. He even told me to put it on my face. I put it on my face for three years. About six months ago, i was advised to not put it on as it would thin out my skin. I also noticed that my skin was always a pinkish tone and got sunburned easily. I am afraid that my skin got used to elocon and i am wondering if I will ever have my skin to be smooth and clear like every one else. I also put it all over my body and because of that I am always itching now. My skin is so bad on my body that it is all scared up from my itching it. I don't know what to do, as even my dermatologists do not know how to diagnose the situation. Could you please give me some advice on what i can do to alleviate my problem? I would greatly appreciate it.
In Reply to: excema and elocon posted by william on August 04, 1998 at 19:26:22:
Does Elocon have cortisone in it? You are describing an irreversable complication of using cortisone topically like this & that is why it should never be used this way.
Let me know. I have never heard of Elocon.
In my constant battle for truth, justice and Wellness.....
The following question has come up.
Why would a person devoting themselves to wellness and skilled relaxation experience a worsening of acne at first??
I would think it is one way of your body purging itself of some of the last bunch of excess toxins.....but, that answer won't fly with the med-types....
Do you have a more technical answer or better explanation.
- Thanks - Steve
In Reply to: Acne Question for Walt posted by Steve on August 06, 1998 at 09:58:47:
A wellness program cannot possibly harm anyone. However, I have occasionally seen this effect myself but only in the most serious cases. SO, your explanation is as good as anyones' and I tend to favor it myself.
However, it has ALWAYS been temporary (a few weeks at most) and heralds the person who is going to get the most good out of their efforts if they will stick to it.
After 20 years, I no longer have any expectation of the "med types" understanding this. They have been trained to only look to the left when the solution to the problems they cannot resolve are all to the right. How does one convince anyone to change their paradigm when they are making an average of $150,000/year looking to the left?
Besides that, there are the AMA proctors walking the line, pulling anyone out of the line who happens to be looking to the right. Those then lose all their income. Worst of all, those who still beleive in the "system" think that those "defrocked" docs MUST really be bad or their licenses would not have been revoked. It is a wonderful system the AMA has created to keep themselves in power. None of us want to believe that "my doctor would be part of such a conspiracy"!
I had to be willing to lose everything to stick to what really helped my patients the most---and I did. The worst thing was that the patients also were losers and NOW realize it.
Pity the "med types" with their self imposed blinders. None of us should base our understanding on THEIR limitations.
In Reply to: Re: Acne Question for Walt posted by Walt Stoll on August 07, 1998 at 10:34:46:
Thanks Again .
I think I'm getting my most stress by trying to convince people that stress is their problem....LOL
In responce to your question. i am not a doctor but an a 19 year old male that was on accutane at about your same age. i was on and off it for about a year and have NO acne now. it worked great. Accutane has been known to bring out the achiness of old injuries. i had an achy back and knee. also it does dry out the skin so the dry lips are all part of it. i recommend (just from personal experience) to stay with the drug!
hi i just completed my course of accutane ...i can tell you that i had chapped lips dry skin joint aches beautiful hair without oil and tons of volume dry t zone my allergies and herpes breakouts also ceased. three months off it and all in one week my hair got oily again and my allergies and herpes outbreak in my mouth started again...so you tell me do you think it has something to do with immune systems ... i never felt better in my life than when i was on accutane. anyone have a similiar experience?
Just wanted to throw in my 2-cents about accutane. I just finished my treatment and my skin is perfect. I had no side effects except for minor dry lips. I've had acne since I was 18, and I'm now 30. No antibiotics or creams ever worked for me. This proved to be my answer. I realize an individual's reaction to medication is unique with each person, but my experience was positive.
Why are you so rude towards people suffering from acne. Its a real turn off to try and find help and come accross someone who seems to know all the answers, but goes about it in such a condecending way. Please explain
In Reply to: Acne posted by Gabriel on August 20, 1998 at 13:09:47:
I am not trying to convince anyone. I have had many years of experience & know what works & what doesn't. Those who want me to waste my time trying to convince them are going to be disappointed.
I have no ax to grind & make no money from anyone listening to what I have to say. Those who don't want to hear have but to continue doing what they are doing right now.
I am sure that you won't like to hear this either. The information is there for any who want to get well.