Adrenal Glands historical posts August 1998

ACTH In But No "Buzz". What's Up With That?

Posted by Thomas Seay on August 08, 1998 at 15:06:18:

As a precursor to testing my DHEA and Cortisol levels (we suspect adrenal problems),
my Dr. gave me an injection of ACTH. He told me
that this would create a feeling of euphoria for
a day or two. Guess what, I never did feel any euphoria. Could that be significant?

-Thomas


Re: ACTH In But No "Buzz". What's Up With That?

Posted by Walt Stoll on August 09, 1998 at 08:57:37:

In Reply to: ACTH In But No "Buzz". What's Up With That? posted by Thomas Seay on August 08, 1998 at 15:06:18:

Dear Thomas,

MIGHT "create a feeling of euphoria". It frequently does not.

However, for those that it does, it is very good evidence that the adrenals are not exhausted. For those in which it does not, adrenal exhaustion is a possibility. Blood tests, following the injection (at the appropriate interval) can tell you which you are.

Ask your doc. If he is doing this, he must know all of the parameters--especially as they relate to you.

Walt




Hi, Thomas! Perhaps you're ALREADY euphoric enough!!! :-) NMI

Posted by trish on August 10, 1998 at 17:08:04:

In Reply to: ACTH In But No "Buzz". What's Up With That? posted by Thomas Seay on August 08, 1998 at 15:06:18:

NMI


ACTH In But No "Buzz". What's Up With That?

Posted by Thomas Seay on August 08, 1998 at 15:06:18:

As a precursor to testing my DHEA and Cortisol levels (we suspect adrenal problems),
my Dr. gave me an injection of ACTH. He told me
that this would create a feeling of euphoria for
a day or two. Guess what, I never did feel any euphoria. Could that be significant?

-Thomas


Re: ACTH In But No "Buzz". What's Up With That?

Posted by Walt Stoll on August 09, 1998 at 08:57:37:

In Reply to: ACTH In But No "Buzz". What's Up With That? posted by Thomas Seay on August 08, 1998 at 15:06:18:

Dear Thomas,

MIGHT "create a feeling of euphoria". It frequently does not.

However, for those that it does, it is very good evidence that the adrenals are not exhausted. For those in which it does not, adrenal exhaustion is a possibility. Blood tests, following the injection (at the appropriate interval) can tell you which you are.

Ask your doc. If he is doing this, he must know all of the parameters--especially as they relate to you.

Walt




Hi, Thomas! Perhaps you're ALREADY euphoric enough!!! :-) NMI

Posted by trish on August 10, 1998 at 17:08:04:

In Reply to: ACTH In But No "Buzz". What's Up With That? posted by Thomas Seay on August 08, 1998 at 15:06:18:

NMI


Hydrocortisone

Posted by Thomas Seay on August 20, 1998 at 00:26:22:

Walt,

I am being treated for adrenal exhaustion. One thing that my Dr. has prescribed short-term is hydrocortisone. What is your opinion of this as a treatment? What are the side-effects?

-Thomas


Re: Hydrocortisone

Posted by Walt Stoll on August 21, 1998 at 11:16:49:

In Reply to: Hydrocortisone posted by Thomas Seay on August 20, 1998 at 00:26:22:

Dear Thomas,

Your questions are only porperly answered by the prescribing physician since every case is different. If your doc will not educate you about this, OR tell you where you can learn as much as you want, you are going to the wrong doc.

MY first concern is that just trying to replace all the hormones the adrenal is supposed to make for you automatically (hydrocortisone is but one of many) is inadequate on many counts. First of all, we are not yet as smart as God. My chapter about thyroid replacement (in my book) has a section that tries to make just that point in a very simplistic way.

My next one is that the adrenal exhaustion is just the tip of the hypothalamic iceberg where the problem REALLY is. Basically you are just cutting thre wires to the doorbell. There is nothing wrong with taking the hydrocortisone so long as that is not ALL you do.

Prescribing the hydrocortisone without teaching you about the necessity of practicing an effective skilled relaxation technique at least twice a day seems to me the height of what will be eventually called malpractice in the 21st century.

The best way to protect yourself from your doc AND me is for you to learn what this is all about. For that, you need to read "Mind as Healer, Mind as Slayer" by Dr Pelletier (most recent edition would be the most helpful and is available in ANY library & bookstore). THEN, if you have more questions write again (or ask your doc although I would doubt s/he would know much about it--if s/he did, you would not be asking these questions).

In the meantime, IF you start learning, you had better do what your doc says.

Walt



is it possible...and meditation

Posted by sam on August 21, 1998 at 12:46:52:

Dear Walt:
Because my fear, anxiety and panic have really flared upagain today after a fairly calm week albeit at this new level of dealing with fear, I have a question about what I'm going through (probably prompted by my ego as it tries to figure all this out.)
Is it possible with already severely weakened adrenals that meditation itself puts more pressure on them thereby resulting in my current condition or is it really another round of emotional release?
I think i just need support and to know if this trip is worth the price of admission? Sometimes I have doubt if its healing or just another indication of problems...Maybe my comments are really part of the emotion...
Thanks,
Sam



Re: is it possible...and meditation

Posted by steve lyles on August 21, 1998 at 14:02:32:

In Reply to: is it possible...and meditation posted by sam on August 21, 1998 at 12:46:52:

Dear Sam.
I have read your posts with great interest and also a desire to give you a hug and let you know that everything is OK!.
I have been to the place you describe aplace where the steps you take in the hope of acheiving balance and health seem to lead further into panic and despair,please be assured that you are on the right path ,a path that leads to the realization that there is nowhere to be or get to other than right where you are,an individual like yourself is a rare thing,the sensitivity that you possess that make your life appear/feel so difficult is also your greatest strength. Take care.
Steve




thanks, steve

Posted by sam on August 21, 1998 at 14:22:45:

In Reply to: Re: is it possible...and meditation posted by steve lyles on August 21, 1998 at 14:02:32:

Dear Steve:
I don't know how to say this...As much as your words were appreciated, it was the tone of your note that went right to my soul. It was a wonderful connection and released alot of tears...alot of necessary old grief flooded out. Thanks for helping me realize an important gift I may already possess.
Sam


Re: is it possible...and meditation

Posted by Gerry on August 21, 1998 at 15:41:18:

In Reply to: is it possible...and meditation posted by sam on August 21, 1998 at 12:46:52:

Fear, anxiety, and panic are the three conditions that would lead me to a book written by Jack Dreyfus (of Dreyfus mutual fund fame and fortune) about his experience with the same. I don't remember the title, but it was something like "An effective medicine that has been overlooked". Yeah, Mr. Dreyfus was a lot better at marketing investments than books!!

I didn't have that problem, so I don't recall the medicine he wrote of, but it certainly did the job for him. I don't know if his book is still in print, but you should be able to find it in any decent library.

Good Luck,
Gerry

Walt, do you have any knowledge or comments of Mr. Dreyfus' experience?



Re: thanks, steve

Posted by Pamela J on August 21, 1998 at 19:13:45:

In Reply to: thanks, steve posted by sam on August 21, 1998 at 14:22:45:

Dear Steve and Sam,

To Steve,
I commend you for the supportive reply you gave to Sam. I know that when people gave me this kind of supportive that it helped me greatly. Interesting how kind and understanding words can often be potent and healing.

I wish the best for you both.

From all the reading I have done about panic and anxiety, most of the people who suffer this are very kind, conscientious, sensitive and caring souls. I agree with you Steve, that Sams sensitivity is one of his strengths.

I wish you the best in your healing, Sam. You possess GREAT COURAGE.

I am fighting the same sort of battle. The more I learn to love my self, the eaiser it gets.

peace and love,
pamela


Re: is it possible...and meditation

Posted by Mike V on August 21, 1998 at 20:36:23:

In Reply to: Re: is it possible...and meditation posted by Gerry on August 21, 1998 at 15:41:18:

Maybe HE was talking about a couple of Ice-Cold bottles of BEER in the evening? We all have heard the News? "Buy Low and Sell High!", and also "Ah...Beer, it's NOT just for Breakfast anymore!"


Re: is it possible...and meditation

Posted by Walt Stoll on August 22, 1998 at 12:05:50:

In Reply to: is it possible...and meditation posted by sam on August 21, 1998 at 12:46:52:

Dear Sam,

Meditation can ONLY take pressure off the adrenals. However, you should also be looking at other mechanisms for your brain function alterations than direct effects from the adrenals.

There are several references that come immediately to mind: "Brain Allergies" by William Philpott, MD; "Nutrition & the Mind" by Gary Null, PhD and "Mind as Healer, Mind as Slayer" by Dr Pelletier. Probably in that order.

In the end, nearly ALL of the causes came from the hypothalamic overload that your meditation will finally discharge. However, the complications of that mechanism's existance for years may still need to be addressed in the end (the adrenal weakness could be one of them).

Walt



Re: is it possible...and meditation

Posted by Walt Stoll on August 22, 1998 at 12:36:54:

In Reply to: Re: is it possible...and meditation posted by Gerry on August 21, 1998 at 15:41:18:

Thanks, Gerry.

The drug you are talkijng about with Dreyfus book is Dilantin ( an anti-seizure medication). Dreyfus book should be required reading for all politicians (those who can read----grin). Dilantin is a great example of the many drugs that have been found to be effective for some incurable conditions OTHER than what they were originally certified for.

Dilantin does have numerous side effects and the things he is talking about using it to treat are better approached by the things we have been discussing here on this BB. However, for those who still are looking for "something to take" this book is a good place to start.

Walt



Re: is it possible...and meditation

Posted by sam on August 22, 1998 at 13:21:46:

In Reply to: Re: is it possible...and meditation posted by Walt Stoll on August 22, 1998 at 12:05:50:

Dear Walt:
I am calming down from yesterday. Re-reading my posts when not releasing or detoxing gives me a laugh because at the time of my writing the reaction is so strong.
It is heartening to know that the meditation will hopefully ultimately discharge the causes of the hypothalamic overload.If you could elaborate on the last sentence of your last post, I'd appreciate it. I did not understand it.
Thanks,
Sam


Re: is it possible...and meditation (LAYERS)

Posted by Walt Stoll on August 23, 1998 at 09:42:29:

In Reply to: Re: is it possible...and meditation posted by sam on August 22, 1998 at 13:21:46:

Dear Sam,

I am asuming you are referring to the sentence about stuff that may still have to be dealt with AFTER the hypothalamic overload is resolved. There are so many notes on this string that I was not sure.

I was referring to stuff like candida, parasitosis, arthritis, colitis, allergies, endocrinopathies (your adrenal thing is one of these), etc. These are things that are secondary to the system having broken down which may not resolve without specific treatment. I focus on getting rid of the most basic causes since treating effects is of little benefit without getting rid of WHY they are happening.

SOME people are early enough in their process that the secondary disorders will still clear up JUST by getting rid of the hypothalamic cause.

Holistic practitioners all over the world call this mechanism "peeling the onion". Resolution of each layer exposes the next layer. I have found that dealing with the deepest layer that can be dealt with makes most more superficial layers disappear---but not all in all people. However, having dealt with the deepest layer makes dealing with ANY residual layer a lot easier.

I hope this is making sense to you. EXCELLENT question!

Namaste` Walt


LAYERS...how best to address

Posted by sam on August 23, 1998 at 12:09:21:

In Reply to: Re: is it possible...and meditation (LAYERS) posted by Walt Stoll on August 23, 1998 at 09:42:29:

Dear Walt: Thanks. I suspected your answer.But its important I got it. Now that the skilled relaxation is well underway and maybe awakening kundalini, it feels like time to turn my attention to some of the other matters you pointed out on your last note.
I plan on starting the elimination diet soon. Am communicating with Robert. Want to eliminate allergens from food as best I can.The good part is that I've been on a whole foods diet (tipped toward blood type O) for over a year now and it has been quite successful.
The bad news is that I'm sure I haven't gotten at this early enough to prevent a serious candida infestation. I've read alot from the authorities on candida. Even tried a number of alternative treatments. But you know, have never done the quintessential test for it (I read on other posts here) other than Dr. Reams urine/saliva test.

I know you get inundated with candida questions but in the end (if one finds they are infested) what do you recommend. I prefer going alternative but don't know if thats realistic. Many people have had good success with olive leaf, and I've read Dr. Walkers book (on olive leaf) and even went on a fairly intense trial for 4 months, preceded by MSM, bovine colostrum and Rife frequency generator. Just curious about your thoughts about candida.

It would be great if the doing something rather than taking something applied to candida and other intestinal parasites, etc; something like guided imagery. I just think the mind is so powerful... I have such a fiery nature about doing this on my own without having to ingest something to get well.
Part of reason for hopping on this is my wondering if the LGS, even with good skilled relaxation practice will ever heal until the intestinal parasites are disposed of.

As far as the possibility of endocrinopathy...I don't know. I suppose I need to clean up the mess I already created and see how I stabilize. Then I can determine just how healthy my endocrine system is or is not.

By the way, your book is next. I'm embarrassed to say I didn't get to it sooner but have been overwhelmed by the process I'm in right now. I'm going to order 4, geve to colleagues and clients, and am sure will be ordering a bunch more since my hunch is their response will be quite positive. I see so many people with mental health "issues" who might very well heal with the regimen proposed at your website.
Thanks again for all you do and how you offer yourself both intellectually and emotionally.
Sam



Re: LAYERS...how best to address

Posted by Walt Stoll on August 24, 1998 at 09:08:12:

In Reply to: LAYERS...how best to address posted by sam on August 23, 1998 at 12:09:21:

Thanks, Sam, for the boost.

Were I you, I would just be sure that you are doing your best with the skilled relaxation, perhaps try some elimination/provocation diet testing (a la McFerran) and start a gentle exercise program (perhaps something as easy as walking an hour a day (never AFTER relaxation). Your present diet is good enough to contribute to the magnifying effects of doing all 3 of the "wellness" things that magnify each other.

I would give that combination about 6 months & see how you are. IF you are one of the few for whom wellness will eliminate candida & parasites (there ARE some), you will know by then. If you are not, your wellness will make it MUCH easier to treat whatever you have left.

For people already practicing wellness, I have found the quickest (and most effective) approach for candida is to continue the wellness (modified by PERFECTLY removing refined carbohydrates---see Beth Loiselle, RD's book), taking high doses of probiotics AND take an appropriate dose of powdered pure Nystatin 4 times a day on an empty stomach. Since Nystatin is not absorbed, this is not really like taking anything for this. Every molecule you swallow comes out in your stool unchanged.

The problem for you right now is to be patient and give your present efforts enough time to work for you. Getting too eager will only increase your risk of not doing what you ARE doing perfectly enough to guarantee results.

If you need "test results" to convince you of what complications you still have, you could call Great Smokies Laboratories to find the closest physician to you who would know enough to order the correct tests AND what to do about the results. You need to recognize that even this lab (generally considered the best in the country for this kind of diagnosis) STILL only finds one in five of test parasites placed in a specimen. This translates to sending several specimens to GSL since conventional local labs only find one in fifty.

With what you are already doing, NOW is not the time to worry about endocrinopathy. I just used that as an example anyhow.

Walt



Re: is it possible...and meditation

Posted by Linda Hynds on August 24, 1998 at 23:07:14:

In Reply to: Re: is it possible...and meditation posted by sam on August 22, 1998 at 13:21:46:

Dear Sam,

I just wanted to add that I, too, admire your courage. You WILL heal. Just look how far you've come! God Bless You.

Namaste` Linda



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