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Healthy Alcoholic?

Posted by Rainy Days/Bliss [4.275] on April 17, 2004 at 22:24:10:

Do you think that drinking red wine, one has to be healthy to drink it aand gain benefits of same?

My friend reckons that red wine is the reason she is so healthy, (she is 57)whilst most of her immediate family are slipping very quickly into extremely bad health. Her sisters have diabetes, heart problems, cholestorol, high blood pressure.
She does exercise regulary, does not smoke, eats an okay diet, (not ultra healthy). I also was wondering if maybe she is healthy like this because of genetics, but then her children don't have as much energy as she does. I wonder what the secret is to having so much energy at such a mature (;-) age.

She has none of the illnesses her siblings have, and is the only one in her fmaily so healthy, and told them it's because she drinks red wine. yes, they are always on her back to give up, and told her she is an "alcholic". She says she would rather be a "healthy alcholic" than to be as sick as they are, whom do not drink red wine.

Now, my question/s is this.

For those of us who have Candida, I have always heard NOT to drink red wine or ANY alcohol. But how about having red wine in moderation.
I normally don't like red wine or ANY wine for that matter, but I tasted this gorgeous red wine. It was so smooth, but most importantly it had a mellow taste, not a sharp winey taste, or that horrid oakey taste soemtimes.

well, my birthday is coming up soon, and I plan to have a few glasses on my day, but how about having it on a regular basis, if one has Candida? Can it stilll be considered "healthy" for us Candida sufferers?

TIA




Re: A Great Tasting Wine

Posted by Bliss to Jane [4.275] on April 17, 2004 at 22:29:50:

In Reply to: Healthy Alcoholic? posted by Rainy Days/Bliss [4.275] on April 17, 2004 at 22:24:10:

Jane

If you like red wine, you should try this wine before it is no longer available here in Australia.

It is Taylor's Shiraz 2002 vintage - Clare Valley. Red wine of the year, International wine 2003 Challenge London. We just bought a cask of it.

It is the best wine I have ever tasted~!



Re: Healthy Alcoholic?

Posted by Renee [1011.653] on April 17, 2004 at 22:34:40:

In Reply to: Healthy Alcoholic? posted by Rainy Days/Bliss [4.275] on April 17, 2004 at 22:24:10:

Bliss, Dear,

Here we go again. First it was chocolate, now it's wine.

How long have you been suffering from Candida -- a couple of years or so, right? That's entirely too long! It's time to do some spring cleaning -- you need to thoroughly cleanse your colon (removing mucoid plaque) and do some liver and GB flushes, as well as kill any parasites. This will expedite your healing and get you where you need to go much faster -- at which point you can get off the anti-Candida diet. ;)



Re: Healthy Alcoholic?

Posted by Renee [1011.653] on April 17, 2004 at 22:48:32:

In Reply to: Re: Healthy Alcoholic? posted by Renee [1011.653] on April 17, 2004 at 22:34:40:

P.S. Nobody with LGS, Candida or not, should be drinking alcohol, as it will only exacerbate your leaky gut. And nobody who is trying to conceive should be drinking alcohol!

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Re: A Great Tasting Wine

Posted by Jane [1475.4] on April 17, 2004 at 23:38:19:

In Reply to: Re: A Great Tasting Wine posted by Bliss to Jane [4.275] on April 17, 2004 at 22:29:50:

Thank you! I'll go a-hunting.

On whether to drink wine, I think that red wine is good for many of us. If you're inclined to eat chocolate anyway, and don't respond well emotionally to a rigorous 'do-as-we-tell-you-or-you'll-FAIL!' approach to health, then a glass of wine isn't going to make or break you. And the same researchers who are promoting the health benefits of blueberries say that dark grapes do the same. And I reckon Maggie Beer's quince paste is as beneficial as either...

Don't think that drinking a glass of wine makes you unable to meditate at another time of day, either; I don't believe in humourless or prescriptive health solutions. Advice, counsel, warnings, testimony, evangelism, opinion, YES TO ALL!

Something I've found really interesting is that none of my health practitioners have ever been in favour of a really, really rigorous diet for me. They've always maintained --to a person--that once the basics are looked after (and you know I practically live on vegetables and salads!) enjoying your food is vital to health. I've always had the go-ahead to drink some wine, particulary as I barely finish a glass and my New Year's Resolution has often been to 'try to drink MORE'.

If you enjoy, say, a macrobiotic diet then it's good for you. If it's an arduous task to eat a rigorous candida diet, you're doomed to relapse anyway, so a measured small amount of (top quality) chocky and wine day to day is much more sensible than that inevitable guilty chocolate cake binge.

A votre sante!!!

Jane




Re: Healthy Alcoholic? (No such thing.) Archive.

Posted by Walt Stoll [9.8] on April 18, 2004 at 07:31:57:

In Reply to: Healthy Alcoholic? posted by Rainy Days/Bliss [4.275] on April 17, 2004 at 22:24:10:

Hi, Rainy.

My personal experience was that my diabetes was (and is) thrown totally out of whack with just a 4 ounce glass of wine (ANY color).

In my opinion, your friend is killing herself and using this as an excuse for using alcohol. Some people's health is helped by a very moderate alcohol usage but not hers.

There are only two kinds of alcoholics: those whose health has already failed and those whose health is going to fail early in life.

Walt



Re: A Great Tasting Wine

Posted by Maria [4.275] on April 18, 2004 at 19:29:47:

In Reply to: Re: A Great Tasting Wine posted by Jane [1475.4] on April 17, 2004 at 23:38:19:

Hi Jane

I do have to say I really giggled when she told her family that she rather be a "healthy alcholic" than as sickly as all of them with health problems, and her with none.

I mena, I really stopped to think what the heck is her secret then at 57. we again discussed it yesterday, and she said itwas probably her good diet. hehehe. good, my a$$~! ;-) oops, am I allowed to say that! lol.
Last night, we both feasted on chips, it was so yum.
She reckons the reason why she is healthy and her fam is not, is because she doesnt eat tomatoes and oranges. I told her she was naiive to believe that it couldnt' just b because of that. Please. ;-)

She said that's why her sitsers have rheumatoid arthritis, because of the acidic foods. Okay. Maybe.

But she drinks wine like a fish! When i was at her place for a visit, she pulled out the red wine and started drinking it with lunch. she is so funny, because she started getting really loud. lol! I tried not to laugh at her, becuas she seemed to be getting "tipsy: on one glass of wine. I think she can geta little bit aggressive when drinking. So she startd talking really loud, and it made me a bit nervous. I hate when people start talking loud and seem out of control beause of a substance, be it alchol ,, adrug, or medication. You never know what they are gong to do.

But she tickles me! I hve the bes fun with her.

With my candida. Well, I am not technically on the candida diet, anymorem, i am folloiwing the wholefoods diet mostley, but I do have my little teensey weensy discrepancies, ie chocolate and chocoalte cake. I think my health has recovered so wel, and I haven't had to pull out the big guns. I use ot have foood allergies/intolerances, but once i did the diet, i now don't have aproblem with the, and so far no problem with the wine, mind you i only had a few sips to see how bod was goin to react.

the test will be on my birthday bcause i loved the taste of that wine. i can honestly say that i have nEVER loved the taste of any wine, or even alchol. i use to like tia maria/baileys irish cream. YUM! but once i gave up alchocol which has been for almost 2 years, never missed it at all. even on social occasions when others were drinking never missed, and never felt out of place either.

i amvery thankful that i followed the anti candida diet. i use to suffer wiht depression, and i do think that was directly related to food allergies, because once i cleaned up my diet, i healed up really well. now, it feels natural to eat 'healthy' and to eat junk regularly NOPE.

see if you can find that wine. you won't be disappointed. it was selling for about 20 dollars a bottle, but we bought a cask and paid 15 per bottle.

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Re: Healthy Alcoholic? (No such thing.)Really? Archive.

Posted by Rainy [4.275] on April 18, 2004 at 19:52:38:

In Reply to: Re: Healthy Alcoholic? (No such thing.) Archive. posted by Walt Stoll [9.8] on April 18, 2004 at 07:31:57:

Hi Walt

There are only two kinds of alcoholics: those whose health has already failed and those whose health is going to fail early in life.

Walt

But her health HASN'T failed! She is the healthiest 57 year old I know. She looks ten years younger, has absolutley no health complaints, sleeps well, only needs about 5 hours sleep, and is bursting with energy.

Even her kids are stumped where she gets all her energy from. She factors in wine being the reason. All of her family don't drink wine, and have major health issues.

Is she just an anomaly?

**~ MARIA ~**



Re: Healthy Alcoholic?

Posted by
Zarin [497.21] on April 18, 2004 at 22:49:40:

In Reply to: Healthy Alcoholic? posted by Rainy Days/Bliss [4.275] on April 17, 2004 at 22:24:10:

I have PSD and PCD, genetic blood clotting disorders and I am encouraged to drink some alcohol on a regular basis to keep my blood vessels more dilated.

I am 51 years old, I run between 3-5km every morning, I do weight training 3 times a week and am told I look far younger than my age.

I guess alcohol works for some people but not for most:-)



Re: Healthy Alcoholic? (No such thing.)Really? Archive.

Posted by Walt Stoll [9.8] on April 19, 2004 at 07:50:51:

In Reply to: Re: Healthy Alcoholic? (No such thing.)Really? Archive. posted by Rainy [4.275] on April 18, 2004 at 19:52:38:

Thanks, Rainy.

So she dies of cirrhosis at the age of 90. Without her alcohol, she would have been healthy till 120.

The bell curve of genetics is relentless in it's truth and cannot be avoided.

Walt



Re: Healthy Alcoholic?

Posted by Walt Stoll [9.8] on April 19, 2004 at 07:58:02:

In Reply to: Re: Healthy Alcoholic? posted by Zarin [497.21] on April 18, 2004 at 22:49:40:

Thanks, Zarin.

The operative word here is "some".

The day will come when genetic testing can tell us how much alcohol is the right dose for each of us individually.

Walt

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minor disagreement

Posted by wm [1194.275] on April 19, 2004 at 17:16:40:

In Reply to: Re: Healthy Alcoholic? (No such thing.) Archive. posted by Walt Stoll [9.8] on April 18, 2004 at 07:31:57:

you missed one other type of alcoholic: one in recovery

:)



Re: Healthy Alcoholic?

Posted by WOW [87.457] on April 19, 2004 at 17:58:32:

In Reply to: Healthy Alcoholic? posted by Rainy Days/Bliss [4.275] on April 17, 2004 at 22:24:10:

Why does everybody assume that this lady is an alcoholic?
I haven't seen anywhere in the post amention of her drinking
until she is passed out, I rather assumed that she drinks a glass with dinner which should be rather beneficial for many people unless they have addictive personality and can't have
just one. From the description is looks to me like this lady
is doing alot of things right and most likely only drinks small quantity for pleasure and health not to get drunk which doesn't make her an alcoholic. If she drinks in moderation than most likely she is not an alcoholic. Wine has been a beverage of choice with all meals in many countries and not all people drinking it are alcoholics or all those countries would be in big trouble by now.



Re: Healthy Alcoholic? (No such thing.)Really? Archive.

Posted by Sunny Days/Bliss [4.275] on April 19, 2004 at 20:31:33:

In Reply to: Re: Healthy Alcoholic? (No such thing.)Really? Archive. posted by Walt Stoll [9.8] on April 19, 2004 at 07:50:51:

So that means she has just been "lucky" up until this time that she hasn't succumbed to her genetic propensity to develop the other genetic illnesses in her family. Its got nothing to do with her being healthy because of the wine?
Just lucky that her health has lasted as long as it has.

Actually, she is interesting. She just separated from her defacto, so she is going through a somewhat stressful time, so she is most likeley drinking more wine to cope now. She stopped during for a few nights, and found she could not sleep. She said that when she has wine at night, she sleeps the whole night through. But it could also be the separation causing that. Like separation anxiety maybe.

I would not classify her as an alcoholic though. that is just what her family quoted her as being. Anyway, now that she is going through this stressful time, I hope that she doesn't drink more. She said to me one day when she was going home, 'well, now i guess i will have to go and look at the four walls'. I felt sorry for her. I guess it's a lonely life to get old and be on your own.

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Re: minor disagreement (mea culpa) Archive.

Posted by Walt Stoll [9.8] on April 20, 2004 at 08:01:04:

In Reply to: minor disagreement posted by wm [1194.275] on April 19, 2004 at 17:16:40:

Thanks, Wm.

You are absolutely right. Since I have an alcoholic son, I should be ashamed of myself.

Namaste`

Walt



Re: minor disagreement (mea culpa) Archive.What's "mea culpa" ?

Posted by Maria [4.275] on April 20, 2004 at 08:41:31:

In Reply to: Re: minor disagreement (mea culpa) Archive. posted by Walt Stoll [9.8] on April 20, 2004 at 08:01:04:

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Re: Healthy Alcoholic?

Posted by Carol D. [634.155] on April 20, 2004 at 10:52:59:

In Reply to: Re: Healthy Alcoholic? posted by WOW [87.457] on April 19, 2004 at 17:58:32:

I'm not sure that alcoholism has anything to do with drinking until a person passes out. There are all different kinds of alcoholics. I see Maria saying that this woman is using alcohol as a coping mechanism, not just to have one drink with dinner. It is looking like the poor woman can no longer sleep at night unless she drinks. That is a danger sign.



Re: Healthy Alcoholic?

Posted by Miss Bliss [4.275] on April 20, 2004 at 20:04:51:

In Reply to: Re: Healthy Alcoholic? posted by WOW [87.457] on April 19, 2004 at 17:58:32:

She has wine mainly with dinner, and no she has NEVER passed out from alcohol. She has a few glasses a night, and only drinks red wine.

Has never missed a day's work becuase of drinking wine,is good natured (but tends to stress out easily) has GREAT health in every way.

P.S. Curiousity didn't kill this cat, but gave her a hell of a rrrrroad rrrrash!



Re: Healthy Alcoholic?

Posted by WOW [87.457] on April 20, 2004 at 23:09:36:

In Reply to: Re: Healthy Alcoholic? posted by Miss Bliss [4.275] on April 20, 2004 at 20:04:51:

Doesn't sound to me like she is an alcoholic, just likes the red wine, it's taste and benefits. Alcoholics don't care what they drink, the more alcohol something contains the better and they prefer vodka, gets them drunk faster.



Re: Healthy Alcoholic?

Posted by G. [951.1009] on April 20, 2004 at 23:19:50:

In Reply to: Re: Healthy Alcoholic? posted by WOW [87.457] on April 20, 2004 at 23:09:36:

Really? What about winos? Are they called that because they like oh, I dunno, whiskey? vodka? 'shine?



Re: Healthy Alcoholic?

Posted by WOW [87.457] on April 20, 2004 at 23:19:59:

In Reply to: Re: Healthy Alcoholic? posted by Carol D. [634.155] on April 20, 2004 at 10:52:59:

I think she can't sleep at night because alcohol too close to bedtime keeps her awake or makes her wake up in the middle of the night. I drink red wine too but never near bed time, just with dinner and never by itself and only because I enjoy the taste and smell of the good wine, I don't drink bad wine for that very reason. She probably just doesn't realize that drinking her wine that late only adds to her insomnia, if somebody told her that she shouldn't drink it so late, she might listen if she wants to sleep well but it
doesn't mean necessarily that she is an alcoholic. Alcoholics usually can't control their drinking after they have a glass or two and will keep on drinking until they are visibly drunk, if she stops at the couple of glasses or doesan't drink more than that most of the time, than she probably is OK but it all depends on the type of personality, some people don't have addictive personality and will never be dependant and others will have one glass and will go into frenzy so it's really hard to put the same label on everybody.



Re: minor disagreement (mea culpa) Archive.What's "mea culpa" ?

Posted by WOW [87.457] on April 20, 2004 at 23:21:50:

In Reply to: Re: minor disagreement (mea culpa) Archive.What's "mea culpa" ? posted by Maria [4.275] on April 20, 2004 at 08:41:31:

In Latin "my fault".

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Re: minor disagreement (mea culpa) Archive.What's "mea culpa" ?

Posted by WOW [87.457] on April 20, 2004 at 23:21:53:

In Reply to: Re: minor disagreement (mea culpa) Archive.What's "mea culpa" ? posted by Maria [4.275] on April 20, 2004 at 08:41:31:

In Latin "my fault".



Re: Healthy Alcoholic?

Posted by Marion [68.376] on April 21, 2004 at 07:59:27:

In Reply to: Re: Healthy Alcoholic? posted by G. [951.1009] on April 20, 2004 at 23:19:50:

I've always thought that alcoholics who are called "winos" are people such as the homeless who can't afford whiskey and so buy cheap wine to satisfy their craving for alcohol.

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Re: Healthy Alcoholic?

Posted by Carol D. [634.155] on April 21, 2004 at 09:29:21:

In Reply to: Re: Healthy Alcoholic? posted by WOW [87.457] on April 20, 2004 at 23:19:59:

Yes, I agree that you can't put the same label on everybody, and I'm not saying the person definitively is an alcoholic. I just think it's a warning sign when a person is using alcohol to cope, which it seems like this woman is doing.

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Re: Healthy Alcoholic?

Posted by WOW [151.457] on April 21, 2004 at 09:49:32:

In Reply to: Re: Healthy Alcoholic? posted by G. [951.1009] on April 20, 2004 at 23:19:50:

NO, it's because they drink the cheapest thing they can find: fortified Thunderbird for 2 bucks, I don;t think this is the case here.

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Re: Healthy Alcoholic?

Posted by Walt Stoll [9.8] on April 21, 2004 at 10:36:16:

In Reply to: Re: Healthy Alcoholic? posted by WOW [87.457] on April 20, 2004 at 23:09:36:

Thanks, WOW.

One surely does not have to be an "alcoholic" to be damaged by alcohol intake. Each person's tolerence is genetically determined.

Walt

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Re: minor disagreement (mea culpa) Archive.What's "mea culpa" ?

Posted by MBliss [4.275] on April 22, 2004 at 21:01:07:

In Reply to: Re: minor disagreement (mea culpa) Archive.What's "mea culpa" ? posted by WOW [87.457] on April 20, 2004 at 23:21:53:

ohhhh. Thanks WOW.

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