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Why exactly is alcohol no good?

Posted by john [598.1448] on November 05, 2004 at 03:10:31:

Is it because it is not a whole food? There is alot of evidence that an amount a day is recommended.

Lottsa LUV

John



Re: Why exactly is alcohol no good?

Posted by RickyDC [112.218] on November 05, 2004 at 06:23:14:

In Reply to: Why exactly is alcohol no good? posted by john [598.1448] on November 05, 2004 at 03:10:31:

any alchoolic beverage is TOXIC due to it ethyl alchool content, that needs to be detoxified by the liver.
other components of the specific drink might have "beneficial" attributes, like those in the red wine, but that does not make red wine a healthy food. a glass a day for a man, half for a woman, beyond that starts affecting the liver badly.
I practice in a wine-making area, and hundreds of patients report the habit of 2 or more glasses of wine per meal....and sure enough their symptom list is endless....wine removal usually cures them.
don't forget that the booze-market is a $$$$$$$$ business, so they have to make you beLIEve that their stuff, tastes good, is harmless and is even healthy! :D



Re: Why exactly is alcohol no good?

Posted by PhillyLady [2051.1509] on November 05, 2004 at 09:16:53:

In Reply to: Re: Why exactly is alcohol no good? posted by RickyDC [112.218] on November 05, 2004 at 06:23:14:

Hi RickyDC:

Wine can be abused just like anything, but in moderation it's fine. Wine-drinking Europeans appear to be as healthy as Americans. (I'm not talking alcoholics, either).

P.S. Wonder why Jesus turned water into wine? Hmmm, maybe it was just for the Hell of it:-)



Re: Why exactly is alcohol no good?

Posted by Nutmeg [86.74] on November 05, 2004 at 12:09:37:

In Reply to: Re: Why exactly is alcohol no good? posted by PhillyLady [2051.1509] on November 05, 2004 at 09:16:53:

Hi PhillyLady,

I've heard it said that wine in Biblical times was not the same kind of beverage that is is now, that it was not highly fermented or intoxicating. I haven't studied it, though. Would be interesting to look into.

Nutmeg



Re: Why exactly is alcohol no good?

Posted by gabriella [151.890] on November 05, 2004 at 12:19:18:

In Reply to: Re: Why exactly is alcohol no good? posted by RickyDC [112.218] on November 05, 2004 at 06:23:14:

Thanks for the information RickyDC, it's important!

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Re: Why exactly is alcohol no good?

Posted by PhillyLady [2051.1511] on November 05, 2004 at 12:24:20:

In Reply to: Re: Why exactly is alcohol no good? posted by Nutmeg [86.74] on November 05, 2004 at 12:09:37:

Hi Nutmeg:

I believe wine in Biblical times was intoxicating. There is a story in the Bible of two women getting their father drunk. Will have to research that one:-) Also, I think Roman and Greek feasts included wine and drunkeness, hence Bacchus. The difference may have been that the wine was completely organic.



Re: Why exactly is alcohol no good?

Posted by June.one [1414.4] on November 05, 2004 at 13:42:37:

In Reply to: Re: Why exactly is alcohol no good? posted by Nutmeg [86.74] on November 05, 2004 at 12:09:37:

I have heard things about the alcohol content of wine in Biblical times all my life so decided to Google "wine in Biblical times". I found a discussion at the link below which I thought fascinating:



Re: Why exactly is alcohol no good?

Posted by AA [18.6] on November 05, 2004 at 13:45:05:

In Reply to: Re: Why exactly is alcohol no good? posted by PhillyLady [2051.1511] on November 05, 2004 at 12:24:20:

There's also stories of people giving into too much wine and being drunk with wine. The bible even says a little wine for the belly is good. Definitely not just grape juice.

Check out 1 Tim 5:23, 1 Tim 3:8 - just a couple good ones...

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Re: Why exactly is alcohol no good?

Posted by PhillyLady [2051.1511] on November 05, 2004 at 14:07:44:

In Reply to: Re: Why exactly is alcohol no good? posted by Nutmeg [86.74] on November 05, 2004 at 12:09:37:

Hi Nutmeg:

I found the Biblical story of the two daughters getting their father drunk. Very strange people they were.



Re: Why exactly is alcohol no good?

Posted by Nutmeg [86.74] on November 05, 2004 at 14:43:19:

In Reply to: Re: Why exactly is alcohol no good? posted by PhillyLady [2051.1511] on November 05, 2004 at 14:07:44:

Pretty bizarre stuff! And they say the Bible is for family reading...LOL!

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Re: Why exactly is alcohol no good?

Posted by Nutmeg [86.74] on November 05, 2004 at 14:48:57:

In Reply to: Re: Why exactly is alcohol no good? posted by June.one [1414.4] on November 05, 2004 at 13:42:37:

Very interesting, indeed, June. Thanks for finding that. I recall that term new wine, now, as being mostly pressed grape juice, and remember about it being put into new wine skins and consumed shortly thereafter so it did not ferment very much. Adding water would definitely make the wine stretch farther and help dilute the alcohol if it did happen to be fermented. I remember reading about the disciples and others drinking wine all the time--I think it had to be something that quenched their thirst in that hot desert climate. Makes sense that there are several, even many, words for different types of wine that all translate as wine in English, since there seems to be only one English word for it.

Thanks for the info!
Nutmeg



Re: Why exactly is alcohol no good?

Posted by Naya [120.14] on November 05, 2004 at 16:03:46:

In Reply to: Why exactly is alcohol no good? posted by john [598.1448] on November 05, 2004 at 03:10:31:

It seems to me that wine and alcohol in moderation are fine as long as you don't have a health problem such as candida or leaky gut.

Naya

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Half a glass?

Posted by Jane [1475.4] on November 05, 2004 at 16:50:59:

In Reply to: Re: Why exactly is alcohol no good? posted by RickyDC [112.218] on November 05, 2004 at 06:23:14:

Hi Ricky,

Where did the 'half a glass' come from? Was that someone extrapolating from a one glass limit for men and assuming less would be the correct amount for a woman?

As I understand it, recent research has shown that women actually process alcohol more efficiently than men, so weight-for-weight they could probably tolerate that whole glass!

It's also important to include the positive effect of destressing (for non-addicted wine drinkers).

It's also been shown pretty conclusively that social drinkers are more successful on many life fronts - career, socialisation. This may be cultural - i.e. not applying to Muslim cultures - but true nonetheless.

NB I am not an alcohol(ic) 'rationaliser' - Interestingly, I AM a half-a-glass wine drinker and wish I could drink more! I can never finish a whole beer and usually have to be reminded to finish a glass of wine...I average around a glass a fortnight if that. I see too many positives from very moderate drinking to let this 'half a glass' advice pass! I don't actually drink as much wine as I should...


Er, cheers!!!

Jane



Re: Why exactly is alcohol no good?

Posted by ANN [1077.516] on November 05, 2004 at 18:33:43:

In Reply to: Why exactly is alcohol no good? posted by john [598.1448] on November 05, 2004 at 03:10:31:

the liver has to deal with alcohol, excess vitamins, and the unexpected dose of food poisoning (people today eat so much that hasn't been prepared at home and you don't know whether restaurant'fast food may have been contaminated or left at the wrong temps. If your liver is busy trying to get the alcohol out of your body, it may not be available for protecting you from something else that comes along while it's busy.
For persons with low blood sugar problems- hypoglycemics and persons with diabetes whose insulin sometimes makes them go too low, the liver serves an important function in raising the blood sugar whenever it goes too low (it stores glucose to release in this situation). If it is busy with something else, it may not serve this purpose as quickly or efficiently as it needs to. Occasionally, a person with type 1 diabetes goes to college, goes out drinking, and passes out. The person's friends assume they are just drunk and leave them to 'sleep it off', however, blood sugar tends to go low about 2 am, untreated, and the person dies. Very low blood sugar causes confusion, weak limbs, coma, brain damage, and death.
The glucose meters now available for home use were initially invented for hospital emergency rooms to be able to distinguish between drunks and people whose blood sugar was too low- they are hard to tell apart without a blood test.

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Re: Why exactly is alcohol no good? (Archive in alcohol.)

Posted by Walt Stoll [9.8] on November 06, 2004 at 07:33:49:

In Reply to: Why exactly is alcohol no good? posted by john [598.1448] on November 05, 2004 at 03:10:31:

John,

It is the MOST refined of all carbohydrates. So, if one is trying to get past the refined carbohydrate addiction alcohol is bad.

If you will notice that with all the research saying a glass of red wine is good for you, you will note that white wine does not have the same effect--------NOR does the same amount of alcohol in any other form! It is something else in the red wine that makes the difference, NOT the alcohol.

Hope this helps.

Walt



Re: Why exactly is alcohol no good? (Archive in alcohol.)

Posted by ANN [1003.516] on November 06, 2004 at 09:16:18:

In Reply to: Re: Why exactly is alcohol no good? (Archive in alcohol.) posted by Walt Stoll [9.8] on November 06, 2004 at 07:33:49:

Dr Peter Gott, who has a newspaper column answering questions, told a husband who was trying to get his wife to drink wine for her health that purple grape juice gave the same benefits as red wine.



Re: Why exactly is alcohol no good? (Archive in alcohol.)

Posted by Walt Stoll [9.8] on November 07, 2004 at 07:44:36:

In Reply to: Re: Why exactly is alcohol no good? (Archive in alcohol.) posted by ANN [1003.516] on November 06, 2004 at 09:16:18:

I agree, Ann.

My guess is that it is the colored molecules (phytochemicals) that create the effect.

Walt



Re: Half a glass?

Posted by WOW [1317.65] on November 07, 2004 at 10:59:03:

In Reply to: Half a glass? posted by Jane [1475.4] on November 05, 2004 at 16:50:59:

Thanks Jane! I am with you! I love my glass of GOOD red wine with dinner but like you, can't always finish it. I enjoy the taste of a good wine and it brings enjoyment to the food. I haven't seen any bad effects of it and will always believe that it adds quality to my life. Of course it's a different story with those who are addicted and can;t stop at one glass, they need help. They don't drink for enjoyment like we do and are in a different category. Anything in moderation can enhance the life.

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Re: Why exactly is alcohol no good? (Archive in alcohol.)

Posted by P [6.215] on November 07, 2004 at 15:34:13:

In Reply to: Re: Why exactly is alcohol no good? (Archive in alcohol.) posted by Walt Stoll [9.8] on November 07, 2004 at 07:44:36:

So then why is white wine used prophylactically against lung cancers?



Re: Why exactly is alcohol no good? (Archive in alcohol.)

Posted by dd [1706.26] on November 07, 2004 at 18:21:22:

In Reply to: Re: Why exactly is alcohol no good? (Archive in alcohol.) posted by P [6.215] on November 07, 2004 at 15:34:13:

Never heard of this. Do you have a link?

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Re: Red wine vs. white wine for lung CA(Archive in alcohol.)

Posted by June.one [253.4] on November 07, 2004 at 18:24:51:

In Reply to: Re: Why exactly is alcohol no good? (Archive in alcohol.) posted by P [6.215] on November 07, 2004 at 15:34:13:

P, I never heard that white wine was. In fact, here is a recent news article on red versus white:

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Re: Why exactly is alcohol no good?

Posted by WOW [1317.65] on November 07, 2004 at 20:08:21:

In Reply to: Re: Why exactly is alcohol no good? posted by Nutmeg [86.74] on November 05, 2004 at 14:48:57:

Hi Nutmeg,
It sounds like what they call in wine business "must", a juice that just started fermenting and is quite bubly and also very delicious :-)

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Re: Why exactly is alcohol no good? (Archive in alcohol.)

Posted by Walt Stoll [9.8] on November 08, 2004 at 07:26:01:

In Reply to: Re: Why exactly is alcohol no good? (Archive in alcohol.) posted by P [6.215] on November 07, 2004 at 15:34:13:

Thanks, P.

New to me. References?

Walt

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Re: Why exactly is alcohol no good? (Archive in alcohol.)

Posted by PhillyLady [1327.1509] on November 08, 2004 at 08:59:32:

In Reply to: Re: Why exactly is alcohol no good? (Archive in alcohol.) posted by P [6.215] on November 07, 2004 at 15:34:13:

P:

I'm not aware that white wine is used "prophylatically against lung cancer". Where did you learn of this? If this is indeed true, then Dr. Stoll may want to archive it.

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Re: Why exactly is alcohol no good? (Archive in alcohol.)

Posted by PhillyLady [1327.1509] on November 08, 2004 at 09:05:30:

In Reply to: Re: Why exactly is alcohol no good? (Archive in alcohol.) posted by P [6.215] on November 07, 2004 at 15:34:13:

P:

From reading the Reuters article that June.one posted, it would appear that your statement regarding the benefits of white wine is false.

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Re: Why exactly is alcohol no good?

Posted by Vince F [173.9] on November 08, 2004 at 10:01:28:

In Reply to: Re: Why exactly is alcohol no good? posted by RickyDC [112.218] on November 05, 2004 at 06:23:14:

I never really bought into the belief, that drinking wine was beneficial. My fathers dad who used to make his own, lived to be 80. My motehrs dad who drank occasionally. A gallon jug would last a good while and Then None would be drank for months, lived to be 104 before being killed. A greek friend used to drink a glass at meals, and had a massive heart attack at 49, and was thought to be needing a transplant.

I am not a wine drinker or of much alcohol now, but enjoy a drink now and then, depending on the situation. I don't do many things Just to Try to stay healthy. We have been Fooled before, and may be Fooled again.

The reason why they Used to say, that europeans drink wine instead of water, was that the water was Bad. I thought that was that sanitation wasn't that good, and water can spread many diseases, if contaminated.

If I liked wine or other alcoholic drinks, I would drink it, and do for a problem, like Severe stress, so use it as a drug. I don't like going by studies, unless they fit Me. The item might not be good for me, if it doesn't agree completely, and if as a drug, any problems, might be better than the problem it is solving.

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Re: Why exactly is alcohol no good?

Posted by Michele [15.15] on November 08, 2004 at 14:33:23:

In Reply to: Re: Why exactly is alcohol no good? posted by RickyDC [112.218] on November 05, 2004 at 06:23:14:

Wine is toxic, as is anything with alcohol. It doesn't matter who drinks it, who made it, or whom feel's it's cultural or historical.

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I think that says it all!

Posted by Michele [15.15] on November 08, 2004 at 14:35:32:

In Reply to: Re: Why exactly is alcohol no good? posted by PhillyLady [2051.1511] on November 05, 2004 at 14:07:44:

Wine is toxic!



Re: Why exactly is alcohol no good?

Posted by Michele [15.15] on November 08, 2004 at 14:36:53:

In Reply to: Re: Why exactly is alcohol no good? posted by PhillyLady [2051.1509] on November 05, 2004 at 09:16:53:

The bible also claims a donkey talked, right?

I think a lot of what the bible states is cryptic...it's possible the daughters were just pregnant little trollops who tried to make it like "dad" was the "dad" to "save the race".
Good excuse for tramps, eh?



Re: Why exactly is alcohol no good?

Posted by PhillyLady [2051.1509] on November 08, 2004 at 14:58:47:

In Reply to: Re: Why exactly is alcohol no good? posted by Michele [15.15] on November 08, 2004 at 14:36:53:

Hi Michele:

Not having written the Bible myself, I wouldn't know about talking donkeys or "pregnant trollops" firsthand (LOL). I can only recount what is written in the Bible.



Re: I think that says it all!

Posted by PhillyLady [2051.1509] on November 08, 2004 at 15:30:47:

In Reply to: I think that says it all! posted by Michele [15.15] on November 08, 2004 at 14:35:32:

Hi Michele:

Hmmm, I think I'll have a little glass of toxic Merlot tonight:-)

P.S. Try and stop me (hee, hee!)

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US News and World Report 11/8/04

Posted by ANN [1003.516] on November 08, 2004 at 17:18:46:

In Reply to: Why exactly is alcohol no good? posted by john [598.1448] on November 05, 2004 at 03:10:31:

just got this magazine in the mail today, page 18:
RED,WHITE, AND WINE
What's your pleasure, red or white? If it's red-you're in luck; if it's white, might wanna think about switching. A new study shows a regular dose of red wine may actually heLp prevent lung cancer. Researchers from Spain's University of Santiago de Compostela found that people who drank a glass of red wine every day were 13% less likely to get lung cancer than those who don't partake.Alas, white wine varieties seem, if anything, to have the opPosite effect,while rose' has no apparent effect. Researchers speculate that tannins in red wine, which have antioxidant properties,provide its protective edge.But don't think drinking red wine is all you need to do to keep your lungs healthy. "We do not recommend drinking if you want to prevent lung cancer," said lead researcher Juan Barros-Dios about the study published in the journal Thorax.
-ed. note: So what would they recommend? Oh you know, stuff like, STOP SMOKING1!"



Re: US News and World Report 11/8/04 (Archive in alcohol.)

Posted by Walt Stoll [9.8] on November 09, 2004 at 07:48:27:

In Reply to: US News and World Report 11/8/04 posted by ANN [1003.516] on November 08, 2004 at 17:18:46:

Thanks, Ann.

Walt

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Re: Why exactly is alcohol no good?

Posted by Michele [15.15] on November 09, 2004 at 14:45:10:

In Reply to: Re: Why exactly is alcohol no good? posted by PhillyLady [2051.1509] on November 08, 2004 at 14:58:47:

I just remember CCD and the bible excerpt where the donkey talks..I was, even at the tender age of 7 or 8, amused by this.
Of course, jews don't treat the bible the same way - and I like they way they interpret..that it's all historical writings and it is written that way to pretty much keep heads from being chopped off.
LOL

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