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Posted by Kelly [12327.9783] on August 09, 2011 at 18:24:36:

Hi I think i have leaky gut and candida issues. My question is though are people allowed to have alcohol after they have healed? i am young and i very much enjoy going out and dancing and having some drinks with my friends. I want to get better but i also want to have a life. and to me that is the most destressed thing i can do. i understand i shouldnt drink every day or go crazy im just talking about having some drinks on the weekends. again thats after i have hopefully healed. can people enjoy that again?

by the way please dont tell me i can still have fun without alcohol. im not a alcoholic but i also am not going to just once in a great while have a drink. like i said i am very young and it is something i love love love to do! everytime i have tried to stay in or go out and not drink i get so depressed. i need to do it for my sanity. can people be normal again though and drink on the weekends, not crazy every day, but like average people? thank you for any responces!

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Posted by Steve [4710.8899] on August 09, 2011 at 19:31:31:

In Reply to: Alcohol posted by Kelly [12327.9783] on August 09, 2011 at 18:24:36:

Keep pumping the sugar into your body and you will hate, hate, hate your lot in life.

Silver Fox!

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Posted by Charles [551.9759] on August 09, 2011 at 20:41:11:

In Reply to: Alcohol posted by Kelly [12327.9783] on August 09, 2011 at 18:24:36:

It sounds like to me you are already hooked on booze, you don't think you can have a good time without it. You can't have fun at a party without booze, are you that shy or is it that the booze loosens you up? Guys get try to get girls to drink for one reason, is that the same reason you want to drink?

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Posted by William [4624.9822] on August 09, 2011 at 21:45:09:

In Reply to: Alcohol posted by Kelly [12327.9783] on August 09, 2011 at 18:24:36:

Hi Kelly, you need to ask yourself if you're willing to
risk a relapse with your medical condition...

If you've been quite ill and having a hard time
resolving your problems, a possible relapse might not
be worth the risk.

If your leaky gut/candida has been easily resolved with
diet in the past, a small experiment in moderate
alcohol consumption might be worth the risk to you.

If it were me, I'd wait till my symptoms were fully
resolved before I tried a moderate tipple again; and of
course with candida, I'd avoid sweet sugary drinks if I
was going to drink at all.

Good Luck to You!
P.S. I'm not a doctor... Perhaps Walt might advise
otherwise.

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Posted by Jon Carlson [1569.7520] on August 09, 2011 at 22:35:41:

In Reply to: Alcohol posted by Kelly [12327.9783] on August 09, 2011 at 18:24:36:

Unlike healthy foods your body can't process alcohol. Same with coffee, tea, smoking. Some people like how alcohol kicks the body out of shape in every which way.Personally I want my brain at peak performance all the time. As far as dancing and walking, alcohol cuts the performance. Hearing diminishes, sight deteriorates, kidneys and liver a definite mess. You have only one body to live out your life. You have two choices.

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Posted by Ron [5412.9604] on August 10, 2011 at 02:03:09:

In Reply to: Re: Alcohol posted by Charles [551.9759] on August 09, 2011 at 20:41:11:

Hi Charles,

Must not forget that many Guys drink for one other reason...
the good looking drunk girls usually are the first to leave the party. That way, everyone is happy.

Look at me... the expert that has not been to a good party in decades. ;-(

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Posted by Walt Stoll [93.9765] on August 10, 2011 at 09:19:56:

In Reply to: Alcohol posted by Kelly [12327.9783] on August 09, 2011 at 18:24:36:

Kelly,

It sounds like you have "bought into" the fiction that you cannot have a good time if you do not have alcohol as part of your "enjoyment of life". This fiction only benefits the breweries bottom line.

After a year of total abstinence you MIGHT be able to try it again. The odds are, though, that this will reestablish the dependency to your detriment.

Personally, I had not allowed alcohol (in any form) touch my lips untill I graduated from medical school and I had a very active social life up to then. So, I KNOW that it is not necessary to "have a good time".

Hope this helps.

Walt

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Posted by Walt Stoll [93.9765] on August 10, 2011 at 09:25:24:

In Reply to: Re: Alcohol posted by William [4624.9822] on August 09, 2011 at 21:45:09:

William,

If she is trying to "cure" something it will take total amstainance to make progress, IMO.

Walt

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Posted by Kelly [12327.9783] on August 10, 2011 at 16:24:37:

In Reply to: Re: Alcohol--social dependancy--archive posted by Walt Stoll [93.9765] on August 10, 2011 at 09:19:56:

hey walt-its not fiction its the way i am. I am shy so it does open me up but i am also 21. my family, my friends, everyone i know kicks back and has a drink on the weekends but me. and i want to. i hate it and i feel like a weirdo. and not because i feel like i have to its because i want to! thats good if you never wanted to have a drink but thats not reality to me. everyone loves something. whether its chocolate or pizza or whatever. i have given up a lot to be healthy and eat a extremely healthy diet. i am too skinny because of how ridiculously strict i have to eat. i do SR and will continue to do it and whatever else it takes but i dont want to do all that if i have to give up everything i love. yah i would like to feel great but then what? sit around all day? thats what i do now. i would rather have a life. and to me going out sometimes and being with my friends is a HUGE stress reliever. more than anything else i could ever do. and having a few drinks since i am 21 is not something i should have to give up forever or feel bad because i want to drink sometimes. i should not overdue it like normal kids but i should still be okay to every now and then. i dont mind giving it up for a year. i have given it up for months before with no change in symptoms besides me being depressed. im sure a lot of people understand where i am coming from when you are in college and 21. yes i want to get better. but to tell me if i can never have alcohol again, thats unrealistic. maybe if i was 40 or 50 but i want to have a somewhat normal life while i am young. i already cant do so many things i love like play sports because of what happens to me. i cant have sex because of other reasons. I have had the love of my life break up with me and people make fun of me because i always have to say no to so many things. i live in a bubble and i hate it. i cant give up everything i will go insane. and if i am going to follow a program or even pay for one i would want to know that i would be healed. that i can be somewhat normal and have a couple drinks sometimes and not have a ton of problems. especially if i am healthy and eating right and not touching any other sugar and doing SR and all the other right things. i mean i had a friend who had problems with her liver when she was in her teens and she wasnt allowed to drink alcohol for a year but her body healed and now she drinks like a fish. i thought thats what your body is supposed to do. It sucks i have to defend myself but i waited years to be 21. 90% of kids cant wait to be 21. and now that i am my life is over. its not a bad thing to want to have some drinks and relax. not overdue it but just to hang out and destress. i feel like i have to choose between having a life and being healthy. and its not fair. i just want to be able to feel kinda normal sometimes. i cant comprehend that antibiotics screwed up my life and now i have to give up everything. i would rather die. walt, none of your patients could drink alcohol again?? really? there is no hope? :(

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Posted by Charles [551.9759] on August 10, 2011 at 17:56:11:

In Reply to: Re: Alcohol--social dependancy--archive posted by Kelly [12327.9783] on August 10, 2011 at 16:24:37:

Kelly, at 21 your life is not over BUT if you think alcohol is going to make your life a lot better I'm afraid you will wind up an alcoholic or a very sad person.

You say you can't have sex, mind telling me why? You say you are thin as a rail, a whole lot of girls would love to be like that, I can understand you not wanting to, even I like the All American Girl type. You think there aren't any fun guys who don't use alcohol, if so, I think you are wrong about that. I had brother that drank and I had brothers that didn't, I chose not to, sex was my drug of choice then and it still is today, I'm almost 63.



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Posted by Walt Stoll [93.9765] on August 11, 2011 at 07:44:30:

In Reply to: Re: Alcohol--social dependancy--archive posted by Kelly [12327.9783] on August 10, 2011 at 16:24:37:

Kelly,

IMO, the very fact that you are putting so much effort into justifying your "need" for alcohol suggests to me that you are already dependent upon this drug. Things will only get worse for you if you do not recognize this while it still is something you can cope with.

Good luck. AA would be a good thing for you especially at this stage.

Let us know how you do and what you learn.

Walt

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Posted by kelly [12327.9783] on August 11, 2011 at 14:39:49:

In Reply to: Re: Alcohol--social dependancy--archive posted by Walt Stoll [93.9765] on August 11, 2011 at 07:44:30:

walt-

because i want to be 21 and have a couple drinks you think i need to go to AA? everyone is this entire world would need to go to AA then since every single person in france, italy, everywhere has some drinks every now and then. i should not have to defend myself here. I eat extremely healthy, do SR, exercise, all the right things. i havent had a sip of alcohol in months. i am asking eventually. eventually would i be able to hang out with some friends SOMETIMES and not be worried i will relapse? im not saying every day or even close so where people are getting an alcoholic is crazy. at weddings, celebrations, on vacations, people have a drink. i know you know how normal that is so please i just want a normal answer.

people should be able to ask a question on this site without people attacking them. i am by far an alcoholic. ill ask one more time and hopefully i can get a decent respectful answer. has any of your patients been able to eat a piece of cake ever again or have some alcohol? i look forward to real response. thank you

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Posted by Walt Stoll [93.9765] on August 11, 2011 at 15:00:05:

In Reply to: Re: Alcohol--social dependancy--archive posted by kelly [12327.9783] on August 11, 2011 at 14:39:49:

Kelly,

"Mark my words." Even you have alluded to your familial tendency to this.

Walt

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Posted by Walt Stoll [93.9765] on August 11, 2011 at 15:11:20:

In Reply to: Re: Alcohol--social dependancy--archive posted by kelly [12327.9783] on August 11, 2011 at 14:39:49:

Kelly,

Of course most people with a sugar addiction can eventually have some without reaquiring this addiction of taking their lives over again. Many fewer have that luck with THEIR tendency you are showing here--even though a rare person is successful, after about a year, to keep the beast at bay with an occasional acoholic drink. This IS very risky, though, since the older you get the more likely it is to become dependent upon the social lubricant of alcohol.

What possible motive would I have to tell you this other than a sincere effort at giving you helpful advice?

Walt

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Posted by Jan DeCourtney, CMT (Happygal) [7244.9741] on August 11, 2011 at 17:05:11:

In Reply to: Re: Alcohol--social dependancy--archive posted by kelly [12327.9783] on August 11, 2011 at 14:39:49:

Hi Kelly,

Think of drinking alcohol as being similar to smoking. When is smoking healthy? It is no less healthy at age 21 than at age 78.

Yah, maybe a little bit occasionally is okay. I would define occasionally as about once a month.

I have an alcoholic beverage about every 5 years or so. That is enough for me. I am a very happy person and have a great social life. :o)

Respectfully,
Jan

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Posted by craig [4445.9622] on August 11, 2011 at 18:18:05:

In Reply to: Alcohol posted by Kelly [12327.9783] on August 09, 2011 at 18:24:36:

Kelly, after reading your question and responses to others it sounds to me like your plan is to keep drinking while looking for approval to do so.
Think about that!
If you were my daughter I'd ask just how much self control you have when you do drink?.... based on your statements you only drink to lose your shyness and "fit in" better with your peer group.
If that is all true you would be able to limit yourself to a specific and "reasonable" number of drinks, then i suspect you wouldn't be here.
Before criticizing those who've done their best to give you an honest answer maybe you need to "level" with yourself.
The first questio woud be whether you can REALLY CONTROL your drinking. If you can't say "yes with total honesty you bettter lay off the booze! JMHO.

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Posted by AT [8783.9772] on August 11, 2011 at 19:10:46:

In Reply to: Re: Alcohol--social dependancy--archive posted by Kelly [12327.9783] on August 10, 2011 at 16:24:37:

Kelly, you obviously have a lot of discipline and have already shown restraint between what you want to do and what you are actually doing. I'll give you a scriptural viewpoint: Ps 104:15 "wine can make the heart of mortal man rejoice"
1Timothy 5:23, "take a little wine for the sake of your stomach.
This seems to be the very reason you want to have an occasional drink and nothing is wrong with that unless you KNOW you have alcoholic tendencies.

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