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Rheumatoid Arthritis Testimonial

Posted by
Joseph Hackett on August 23, 1999 at 01:37:22:

Recently on this board I've noticed a few people that have been looking for success stories from wellness methods and I'd like to share mine. Sorry about the length.

I was diagnosed with severe, rapid onset rheumatoid arthritis in October 1997. At 39 years old, within a six week period I went from being a lifelong athlete to someone who could barely walk down the street.

Almost all joints were impacted. By late Nov 1997, it was an unpleasant task to eat Thanksgiving dinner because of the jaw pain. My rheumatologist told me "you'll never be in a wheelchair because we can now replace almost any joint." I was NOT impressed.

In the meantime, I had started researching arthritis and got a pretty good idea of my future if I didn't find another way to address the disease. I was particularly struck by the statistics about the high percentage of people that can't work after 10 years with RA. Here I was after only 2 months and already on temporary disability!

In November of 1997 I came in contact with Robert McFerran through a doctor acquaintance. I read Bob's book manuscript and it made logical sense. I was impressed with the way he tied multiple pieces of research together to make rational conclusions about autoimmune treatment approaches. Of course I was also impressed with the remission status of his own RA.

I started on the elimination diet a few hours after eating that Thanksgiving meal. I had horrible withdrawal and was basically bedridden from the pain. I remember listening to books on tape because it was all I could accomplish. It did get better after a few days, although I was still in bad shape.

I also realized I had a LOT to learn if I wanted to go outside of mainstream medicine, which had not utilized anything other than double blind drug studies and a prescription pad. I have read and continue to read several books (including Dr. Stoll's) about health, nutrition, etc, am on the internet regularly and continue to stay in touch with up and coming ideas as much as possible.

I did continue to take a relatively low dose of methotrexate (a chemotherapy drug commonly prescribed for inflammatory arthritis that is thought to slow it down in some people) for 6-7 months as I knew I was racing the disease progress in the attempt to limit permanent damage.

I have had fantastic results. Below is a brief timeline of my bloodwork (sed rate is a general measure of inflammation and rheumatoid factor is a measure of the occurrence of a specific antibody often related to RA). Note the turnaround after 3-4 months and the steady improvement afterward. The lab that performs the tests considers 1-15 to be normal for sed rate and 1-40 to be normal with 40-80 weakly positive for rheum. factor.

Date Sed Rate Rheum Factor Notes
1/30/98 81 602 Had been on HG diet (note I'm type A blood) 2 months
3/24/98 88 656 RA still very active - still had a lot of swelling/pain (could not see wrist bones)
5/18/98 73 627 Most visible swelling gone - still hobbling but improving
8/10/98 66 504 Dropped methotrexate shortly after this
11/2/98 66 567 Test results plateaued - no idea why
3/5/99 41 412 Feeling better - test results agree
7/12/99 15 268 Improvement continues - I feel VERY good

Through Bob McFerran I found out about Dr. Stoll's bulletin board, started exercising (lightly) and began skilled relaxation in 9/98. For myself, I can't say SR has been an immediate revolution, but over time it has paid great dividends in how I react to situations and stress and I'm sure it, along with the hunter-gatherer metabolic diet, have been key in healing my "leaky gut." I feel very confident leaky gut exists as I intentionally experimented with foods that the elimination diet revealed my immune system attacked. I could create joint pain on demand - not a pleasant thing, but I had to know for sure. This pain always went away as the offending food worked its way out of my system.

I do still take an antifungal, Lamisil, in dealing with a bad case of candida overgrowth as measured by a candida immune complexes test (test results have improved as I have improved). Some on this board have expressed concern about taking strong antifungals like Lamisil, but unlike some health problems, if I guess wrong here I may not get another chance - the risk/benefits of taking Lamisil are worth it for me until a better method comes along.

At this point, I would guess I have 90-95% of the joint functionality I had before RA. Only time will tell if I am able to get all functionality back. X-rays have shown bone structure improvement in my feet. I work a full schedule, have no morning stiffness, walk normally, can swim, ride a bike, throw a ball, and have recently been able to run for short distances. I've been lifting light weights for several months and have gained 10-12 pounds of badly needed muscle in my upper body.

Other benefits I have seen:
- I've had only one very small headache since I started the HG diet
- Colds and allergies are MUCH reduced in frequency and duration
- I fly for business at times. My hearing used to be drastically reduced after a flight, sometimes for days. I now have minimal, if any, problems with this.
- My cholesterol ratios have normalized since I started the HG diet
- Within the HG diet, I can eat what I want, feel satisfied, and not gain weight. I am thin like I was meant to be.
- I don't have to obsess over what I eat. As I have improved, I have more tolerance for small deviations from the diet that I didn't have earlier
- I've been privileged to work with Bob McFerran, who has unselfishly given of his time and talent. I can't say enough about what he has done for me.

It takes work and personal responsibility for your health to go this route in dealing with chronic illness, but as you can see, it has been more than worth it for me…Joseph



Re: Rheumatoid Arthritis Testimonial

Posted by
Robert McFerran on August 23, 1999 at 14:07:18:

In Reply to: Rheumatoid Arthritis Testimonial posted by Joseph Hackett on August 23, 1999 at 01:37:22:

Hi Joe,

Thanks for the 'testimonial' and especially the length. You could write a book about what you and your family has gone through in the last couple of years. I hope that Walt has Bill keep your testimonial at the top of the arthritis archive. I intend to direct many folks there in future to hear about your story..

Bob




Re: Great Rheumatoid Arthritis Testimonial! - a Ranking??

Posted by RocketHealer Jim++ on August 23, 1999 at 14:51:16:

In Reply to: Rheumatoid Arthritis Testimonial posted by Joseph Hackett on August 23, 1999 at 01:37:22:

Thanks for sharing your testamonial!

Of all the things you've done and the changes you've made, could you please list them in the order that you think made the most difference. I.E. Rank them. I've listed them more or less in the order you mentioned them, and I stuck in a few things I thought of, but you would put them into YOUR order of significance, from most helpful to most harmful:

(1) Elimination Diet (briefly what it did for you or told you)
(2) H/G Diet
(3) Whole Foods Diet
(4) Lamisil (Antifungal)
(5) Methotrexate (a chemotherapy drug commonly prescribed for inflammatory arthritis)
(6) ASAIDS (or avoiding the use of them?)
(7) SR (??)
(8) Exercise (Water-exercise?, rebounding?, walking?, whatever helped/hurt)
(9) Elimination of (foods?, chemicals?, pets?)
(10) Attitude/spirituality/whatever
(11) Sunlight
(12) Mother in Law moving in with you :-)

Thanks,
RocketHealer Jim++




Re: Rheumatoid Arthritis Testimonial -- also for FMS

Posted by
Johnelle on August 23, 1999 at 18:13:19:

In Reply to: Rheumatoid Arthritis Testimonial posted by Joseph Hackett on August 23, 1999 at 01:37:22:

Joseph

Thanks so much for taking the time to post all about your past year as you have traveled down the path to wellness. I have been on that path about the same length of time -- can't imagine how I didn't run into you before now! Your course seems amazingly similar to my own.

I wasn't diagnosed with RA but with fibromyalgia, and at the time of diagnosis I would say I was at what I call "system shutdown", everything was going wrong. I have been doing basically the same things as you have, and I agree, it is not easy, and no one is going to be responsible for you but yourself. You have to decide which way you're going to go when you come to the fork in the road.

I know what you mean about being able to produce joint pain. Any fruit that isn't organic does it to me, I presume from the pesticide. So does green beans, broccoli and beef. I am mostly H-G and do wish for some lighter foods, but when I go that way for long I'm ready to come back to being extreme H-G because I just don't feel well otherwise.

Three cheers for Joseph! You are an encouragement for us all!

Johnelle



Re: Great Rheumatoid Arthritis Testimonial! - a Ranking??

Posted by
Robert McFerran on August 23, 1999 at 19:49:13:

In Reply to: Re: Great Rheumatoid Arthritis Testimonial! - a Ranking?? posted by RocketHealer Jim++ on August 23, 1999 at 14:51:16:

Hi Jim,

I'm sure that Joe will answer shortly but I did want to get something in here that is rather subtle about the protocol Joe used to get well.

The first thing that he did was the elimination diet. He had strong withdrawal and very limited clearing of symptoms. He had already tried an antibiotic therapy as well as my pepto-bismol test and he felt no herximer reaction and no real improvement.

From these things I deduced that yes he DID have some severe food allergies present (otherwise he would have not shown the strong withdrawl). The lack of clearing during the elimination diet told me that he must be reacting to something in his intestinal tract. My experience has shown that the major two problematical micro-flora are some type of gram negative bacteria or some type of fungus (I want to make a point here that I believe that there are more things in the fungus family rather than just candida albicans).

Since Joe did not have a strong reaction to either the antibiotic (flagyl -- a STRONG broad spectrum agent) and didn't show great improvement from the pepto-bismol -- which has the unique property of actually being able to block enteric toxins) I predicted that he had a raging candida albicans problem.

Why candida albicans?

As I just mentioned I think that there is more that is going on than just candida albicans -- no doubt other fungal infections adding to the problem. Joe had food allergies and therefore he must have had leaky gut in place for some time (1-2 years minimum). The constant leaking of the contents of the gut into the bloodstream is NOT intended for our physiology. I believe what happens next is that the immune system initially UP-REGULATES immune response and then DOWN-REGULATES immune response in trying to cope with the ever growing amount of antigenic material accessing the bloodstream through the intestinal mucosa.

DOWN-REGULATION becomes the problem as it allows opportunistic micro-organisms like candida albicans to thrive. The result is a terribly vicious cycle since this down-regulation of immunity allows the mycelial form of candida to penetrate the intestinal wall, make the gut even 'leakier' and allow even larger amounts of antigenic material to get into the bloodstream.

There is something very interesting that I've seen in folks like Joe (and myself as well) that have what the rheumatologists call an almost 'explosive' onset of disease (in my case this meant being able to dunk a basketball just one week before I became totally bedridden). In these 'fast onset' cases I find that the individual has become almost completely ANERGIC to candida albicans. Anergy here means almost no immunological response at all. In other words you could inject candida antigen into their skin and there would be no wheal (a red bump indicative of allergy) or other response. A person with normal immunity would have a very pronounced reaction to this type of injection. The immune system knows that candida antigen is not supposed to be there and take immediate action.

Dr. Theron Randolph saw this with many of his chronically ill patients. Many would have an incremental increase in their symptoms over time and then suddenly experience a complete 'remission' of symptoms. This remission might last anywhere from 6-24 months and would be the "quiet before the storm". I'm convinced that this 'quiet' is due to the immune system becoming ANERGIC to one of the primary things that it was reacting to.

On the surface you might think that anergy is a pretty good thing -- no immunological response means no symptoms. However in the case of candida albicans anergy means that it can literally go wild -- it has nothing in place to keep it in check -- and then comes the DEVASTATING double whammy.

Most folks understand how candida albicans can make the gut leak more but this concept tends to confuse. The other half of what is going on is that the intestinal mucosa is losing its ability to absorb nutrients. I try to explain to folks is that candida albican DAMAGES the lining in the same manner that a burn (or fungal infection) can damage your skin. In the end, the intestinal lining (which has a VERY high degree of functionality) loses its functionality. The result is the uptake of amino acids, vitamins/minerals and other micro-nutrients becomes radically compromised. This is one reason why all sorts of vitamin and amino acid deficiencies are so common in folks with rheumatoid arthritis. These deficiencies CANNOT BE REVERSED with simple supplementation since their access into the bloodstream is blocked. Dramatic weight loss and atrophy ensue when the body cannot properly absorb nutrients. This damage takes a long time (6 months) to BEGIN to reverse.

O.K. -- I've gotten a bit off track. Let's get back to Joe's case.

Joe did not present with many of the symptoms of intestinal candidiasis. In fact his doctor (who was very familiar with candida related syndrome) did not suspect candida overload (another reason why I'm not a big fan of the questionaire approach to diagnosing candidiasis). Joe took the Candida Immune Complexes test and the results came back strongly positive.

So the next question is what sequence should Joe use to regain his health?

The first thing was the Elimination diet. The elimination diet not only shows the powerful impact of foods (pretty hard to argue when you go through 48 hours of hell during withdrawal) but it also significantly reduces inflammation along the intestinal tract and eliminates any foods that are triggering auto-immune reactions. The elimination diet also revealed that Joe was a Hunter-gatherer. Since food allergies can create DRAMATIC fluctuations in blood sugar (this was also a finding of Dr. Philpott's research in BRAIN ALLERGIES) its best to eliminate them so you can get a clear read about what his metabolism is doing.

Joe had to take a bit of a leap of faith. He has blood type A and his cholesterol was elevated. I was suggesting that he was a Hunter-gatherer and needed to eat more fat, cholesterol, and purines and restrict his intake of carbohydrates.

Joe segued out of the elimination diet and began eating like a Hunter-gatherer.

The proper metabolic diet is CRITICAL at this phase since the extra fat, cholesterol and purine is needed to normalize hormonal activity.

Folks with auto-immune disease have all sorts of hormonal imbalances and I believe that this is one of the features of mal-adaptation from eating a diet that is mismatched to inherited metabolism.

I have yet to find a person with arthritis or other auto-immune disease that WAS NOT eating a diet mismatched to the metabolism they inherited.

Once someone is eating a diet that is excludes their major food allergens and is appropriate for their metabolic type they are prepared to undertake any antifungal or antibiotic therapy to deal with infectious agents or flora imbalances. The proper diet heightens immunity. The individual is no longer swimming against the current. A real physiological stress has been removed and immunity is enhanced as a result (Dr. Hans Seyle proved this in his research).

Joe didn't need me to tell him to exercise. He did as much as his pain and inflammation would allow.

The last thing I suggest that Joe add was the skilled relaxation. I have met folks that had obvious problems with chronic bracing (the result of hypothallamic overload) but this was not the case with Joe. For those folks I might move the skilled relaxation up to first on the list because I know that skilled relaxation also enhances immunity (among other things).

There is a rhyme and reason for what to do to recover from disease and when you should do it.

Joe has done something that is supposedly 'impossible' (at least among rheumatologists) in reversing his rheumatoid arthritis. Rheumatoid arthritis is supposed to be an INCURABLE disease. I'm happy to report that this is not the case.

Bob



Re: Great Rheumatoid Arthritis Testimonial! - a Ranking??

Posted by
Joseph Hackett on August 24, 1999 at 00:38:41:

In Reply to: Re: Great Rheumatoid Arthritis Testimonial! - a Ranking?? posted by RocketHealer Jim++ on August 23, 1999 at 14:51:16:

RHJ - thank you for your comments. I'd also like to say "thank you" to you for your great help on this bulletin board.

You ask a tough question. I'll give it a try.

Very important - Attitude (and faith). Having an open mind about treatments available to me. I have two traditional doctors (one is my brother) and a pharmacist in my extended family. As much as I respect what they do, I also know (and they would agree) that they don't have all the answers. I didn't blindly trust what my rheumatologist at the time recommended, regardless of the fact that he is one of the top rheumys in my area. I've run into countless people with RA and other chronic illness that aren't willing to go beyond their doctor's advice, no matter how little risk it involves. Sometimes we're our own worst enemy.

Very important - The availability of information on the internet has been instrumental to my recovery. Dr. Stoll keep it up! It only took an hour or two of looking online to see the disconnect between what my rheumatologist was telling me and the treatment options that were actually available to me. I probably wouldn't be working today if it weren't for the internet (which also led me to the doc that recommended contacting Bob McFerran). I have been very fortunate.

I think it's only a matter of time (maybe a decade, but I think it's inevitable - there will be a lot of big fights and nasty under the table tactics) that the availability of information to the public will force the introduction of alternative therapies where they make sense. You can already see some evidence of this starting to occur.

Very important - Even though it was an experience I wouldn't want to repeat (I was so sick at the time I was looking forward to it), I'd have to say the elimination diet was key to identifying the fact that I had food allergies. I knew to expect withdrawal, but not to the extent I got it! This gave me a direction to head in adding back foods. Unfortunately there seems to be a lot of misinformation out there about what constitutes an effective elimination diet.

Very important - I made huge improvements doing nothing more than eating the HG diet. However, for long term maintenance and stress management, I would rank SR to be very important as well. The longer I do it, the more I have appreciated it and the more I want to know. However, as Bob and Dr. Stoll have said, some people will do things in a different order and come to the same result.

Very important - I am still fighting a candida/fungus battle, and the Lamisil is the primary weapon I use. I have periodically added nystatin and GSE/saline nasal drops.

Important but less so - I have always been an exerciser and for many years mistakenly thought my physical condition alone would protect me, but at this point exercise has to rank a little below the HG diet and the SR. But again that's just me.

Important - My coming to the realization/acceptance that my body was really not meant to handle my previous diet. I am finally feeling better (most of the time) about eating the way I do. It's become a habit and that also helps. Reading NUTRITION AND PHYSICAL DEGENERATION by Weston Price gave me some perspective on how we have evolved and how diet can really make a difference. Wish I had the teeth of some of those folks on their native diets!

Less important? - I'll never know whether the methotrexate helped me or not, but it seemed like a reasonable thing to do at the time in attempting to slow down the RA. At minimum it showed me that I could improve with wellness methods even while staying on a fairly toxic traditional medicine.

Harmful - Even though they made people feel better in some instances, NSAIDS seem to me to be the last thing you would want to do in trying to correct intestinal permeability.



Re: Ranking - THANKS!!!!! (Archive! - Walt please tell where)

Posted by RocketHealer Jim++ on August 24, 1999 at 06:47:26:

In Reply to: Re: Great Rheumatoid Arthritis Testimonial! - a Ranking?? posted by Joseph Hackett on August 24, 1999 at 00:38:41:

Thanks so much for this followup ranking.

I'm sure that Walt will archive this thread.

Thanks again,
RocketHealer Jim++



Re: Great Rheumatoid Arthritis Testimonial! - a Ranking??

Posted by
Joseph Hackett on August 24, 1999 at 07:31:51:

In Reply to: Re: Great Rheumatoid Arthritis Testimonial! - a Ranking?? posted by RocketHealer Jim++ on August 23, 1999 at 14:51:16:

RHJ - thank you for your comments. I'd also like to say "thank you" to you for your great help on this bulletin board.

You ask a tough question. I'll give it a try.

Very important - Attitude (and faith). Having an open mind about treatments available to me. I have two traditional doctors (one is my brother) and a pharmacist in my extended family. As much as I respect what they do, I also know (and they would agree) that they don't have all the answers. I didn't blindly trust what my rheumatologist at the time recommended, regardless of the fact that he is one of the top rheumys in my area. I've run into countless people with RA and other chronic illness that aren't willing to go beyond their doctor's advice, no matter how little risk it involves. Sometimes we're our own worst enemy.

Very important - The availability of information on the internet has been instrumental to my recovery. Dr. Stoll keep it up! It only took an hour or two of looking online to see the disconnect between what my rheumatologist was telling me and some of the treatment options that were actually available to me. I probably wouldn't be working today if it weren't for the internet (which also led me to the doc that recommended contacting Bob McFerran). I have been very fortunate.

I think it's only a matter of time (maybe a decade, but I think it's inevitable - there will be a lot of big fights and nasty under the table tactics) that the availability of information to the public will force the introduction of alternative therapies where they make sense. You can already see some evidence of this starting to occur.

Very important - Even though it was an experience I wouldn't want to repeat (I was so sick at the time I was looking forward to it), I'd have to say the elimination diet was key to identifying the fact that I had food allergies. I knew to expect withdrawal, but not to the extent I got it! This gave me a direction to head in adding back foods. Unfortunately there seems to be a lot of misinformation out there about what constitutes an effective elimination diet.

Very important - I made huge improvements doing nothing more than eating the HG diet. However, for long term maintenance and stress management, I would rank SR to be very important as well. The longer I do it, the more I have appreciated it and the more I want to know. However, as Bob and Dr. Stoll have said, some people will do things in a different order and come to the same result.

Very important - I am still fighting a candida/fungus battle, and the Lamisil is the primary weapon I use. I have periodically added nystatin and GSE/saline nasal drops.

Important but less so - I have always been an exerciser and for many years mistakenly thought my physical condition alone would protect me, but at this point exercise has to rank a little below the HG diet and the SR. But again that's just me.

Important - My coming to the realization/acceptance that my body was really not meant to handle my previous diet. I am finally feeling better (most of the time) about eating the way I do. It's become a habit and that also helps. Reading NUTRITION AND PHYSICAL DEGENERATION by Weston Price gave me some perspective on how we have evolved and how diet can really make a difference. Wish I had the teeth of some of those folks on their native diets!

Less important? - I'll never know whether the methotrexate helped me or not, but it seemed like a reasonable thing to do at the time in attempting to slow down the RA. At minimum it showed me that I could improve with wellness methods even while staying on a fairly toxic traditional medicine.

Harmful - Even though they made people feel better in some instances, NSAIDS seem to me to be the last thing you would want to do in trying to correct intestinal permeability.



Re: Great Rheumatoid Arthritis Testimonial! - a Ranking??

Posted by
Helen David on August 24, 1999 at 08:04:44:

In Reply to: Re: Great Rheumatoid Arthritis Testimonial! - a Ranking?? posted by Robert McFerran on August 23, 1999 at 19:49:13:

Thanks Joseph and Bob for all this wonderful information. I have printed it all to use to show people there is a way to wellness.

In the past year I have printed at least a ream of testimonials and Walt's and Bob's information-all filed in alphabetical order. So far, only one person has made use of it , besides me, and she is thrilled with the results. One of these days I will get my classes going. When the time comes I will certainly have a good plan to present.

Thanks again.

Helen



Re: Rheumatoid Arthritis Testimonial -- also for FMS

Posted by
Joseph Hackett on August 24, 1999 at 10:15:03:

In Reply to: Re: Rheumatoid Arthritis Testimonial -- also for FMS posted by Johnelle on August 23, 1999 at 18:13:19:

Hi Johnelle - thank you for your very nice comments! I haven't been a frequent poster to this board, but I do think it's important to post results/experiences for the benefit of those who may be undecided about treatment choices.

Some people will never listen, but for those that do it gives them more options to improve.

Sounds like you're doing well. Best of luck...




Re: Rheumatoid Arthritis Testimonial (Archive in Wellness and Arthritis.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on August 24, 1999 at 12:21:28:

In Reply to: Rheumatoid Arthritis Testimonial posted by Joseph Hackett on August 23, 1999 at 01:37:22:

Thanks, Joseph.

There are still a lot of fence sitters, lurking about the BB, who "just cannot believe" that their trusted docs are not telling them this is if works so well. BELIEVE IT!

Your testimonial will help others move closer to actually doing it. As you found, it takes constant learning and discipline to do what it takes. The alternative to that much commitment, though, is pretty terrible.

It reminds me of the old saw: "There IS an alternative to growing old: die young."

Namaste`

Walt



Re: Great Rheumatoid Arthritis Testimonial! - a Ranking?? (Archive under diet and under arthritis.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on August 24, 1999 at 14:27:14:

In Reply to: Re: Great Rheumatoid Arthritis Testimonial! - a Ranking?? posted by Robert McFerran on August 23, 1999 at 19:49:13:

Thanks, Bob!

With this quality of contribution, I can take a vacation.

Namaste`

Walt




Re: Rheumatoid Arthritis Testimonial -- also for FMS (BILL?)

Posted by Walt Stoll on August 24, 1999 at 14:30:53:

In Reply to: Re: Rheumatoid Arthritis Testimonial -- also for FMS posted by Johnelle on August 23, 1999 at 18:13:19:

Thanks, Johnelle.

You are right! Of course, we could list it under CFS, chronic EBV, etc. FMS IS more closely related and I hope Bill will list this stuff there as well.

Namaste`

Walt



Re: Great Rheumatoid Arthritis Testimonial! - a Ranking??

Posted by
Johnelle on August 24, 1999 at 20:33:07:

In Reply to: Re: Great Rheumatoid Arthritis Testimonial! - a Ranking?? posted by Joseph Hackett on August 24, 1999 at 07:31:51:

Joe and Jim,

I totally agree with your ranking. Joe, you and I are so much alike in our H-G metabolism, what has worked, and the ranking of importance of the different things we've done. You're much more articulate than me, however. ;o)

This thread will prove to be very valuable to others.

Johnelle



Excellent post. Can you summarize the Bottom Line?

Posted by
Pete R on August 25, 1999 at 09:53:55:

In Reply to: Re: Great Rheumatoid Arthritis Testimonial! - a Ranking?? posted by Robert McFerran on August 23, 1999 at 19:49:13:

Hello Bob.
Just as a summary, would you say: (I think this is right)
1) LGS "causes" food alergies?
2) in Joe's (yours) particular case, these food alergies resulted in accute onset of RA?
In this case, would SR prevent the LGS in the first place, or is it the improper metabolic diet that let to the LGS? (maybe it depends on how "far you are from the edged of the immune system cliff?", genetically speaking?)

Thanks.
Pete Reinhard



Re: Ranking - THANKS!!!!! (Archive! - Walt please tell where)

Posted by Walt Stoll on August 25, 1999 at 14:11:57:

In Reply to: Re: Ranking - THANKS!!!!! (Archive! - Walt please tell where) posted by RocketHealer Jim++ on August 24, 1999 at 06:47:26:

Thanks, RocketHealer Jim.

I would archive both Joe's notes under Philosophy, arthritis, wellness, diet and SR. I hope Bill can find a way to keep them at the top of the archive.

This is an example of the fact that "everybody is smarter than anybody". The experiences of those willing to share them on the BB go far beyond anything Robert or I could ever do. "The whole is greater than any possible combination of the parts." ETC.!

Namaste` to you, my friend.

Walt

P.S. I had my regular presentation to Capstone the day before yesterday. At that meeting I reminded them, once again, to be sure to send you a flier about the October meeting with Edgar Mitchell and Jack Travis about the possible human for the 21st century.

If you don't get something this week, let me know & I will get some copies and send them myself.




Re: The possible human for the 21st century.

Posted by RocketHealer Jim++ on August 25, 1999 at 14:36:26:

In Reply to: Re: Ranking - THANKS!!!!! (Archive! - Walt please tell where) posted by Walt Stoll on August 25, 1999 at 14:11:57:

I'm looking forward to getting the literature on this October meeting. Perhaps it would be of general interest here? Florida is within travel range of at least some folks who frequent here.

And what a title for a meeting!? Gives me shivvers just thinking about it. Bet Adolf Hitler wishes he was still alive so he could go! :-) Actually the title is intriguing, but it does not really tell me much what it's really all about. Hopefully the flyer will.



Re: Great Rheumatoid Arthritis Testimonial! - a Ranking??

Posted by Walt Stoll on August 25, 1999 at 14:41:17:

In Reply to: Re: Great Rheumatoid Arthritis Testimonial! - a Ranking?? posted by Helen David on August 24, 1999 at 08:04:44:

Thanks, Helen.

You have put your finger on the main reason I insist in doing everything publically on the BB. Unless this information is made publically available, it is not going to do what I think is most needed: alert the public as to what is going on politically/medically and socially in this country.

Let us know of your successes (and your failures) in having this information make a difference to those ready to hear.

Namaste`

Walt



Re: Excellent post. Can you summarize the Bottom Line?

Posted by
Robert McFerran on August 26, 1999 at 11:46:06:

In Reply to: Excellent post. Can you summarize the Bottom Line? posted by Pete R on August 25, 1999 at 09:53:55:

Hi Pete,

I'll try and address each of your questions.

>Just as a summary, would you say: (I think this is right)
1) LGS "causes" food alergies?<

Yes. Once leaky gut is in place ALL the contents of the gut (micro-flora, food and other secretions used in the digestion process) ALL have access to the bloodstream. In the case of food allergies it seems that rather large undigested food proteins (called peptides) can escape into the bloodstream. The immune system realizes that these large proteins shouldn't be there and then launches an immunological attack by making antibodies (among other things) to help sweep these large food peptides out of the body.

Also remember that leaky gut causes various problems with mal-absorption of various vitamin/mineral micro-nutrients.

>2) in Joe's (yours) particular case, these food alergies resulted in accute onset of RA?<

Yes and no (how do you like that answer? :) Remember that leaky gut allows all sorts of 'antigenic material' to enter the bloodstream that shouldn't be there. The functionality of the intestinal wall isn't always going to be perfect so our immune system is tuned to be able to handle a the small amount of antigenic material that sneaks in every once in awhile. When confronted with more of a continuous stream (that it was not designed to handle) sooner or later things will reach a 'critical mass' where the system breaks down.

The fact that Joe and I can turn on or off arthritic symptoms with certain foods is proof that foods and food allergy are involved in the process -- but they are not all that is involved.

I think that acute onset of Joe's rheumatoid arthritis was due to his immune system become ANERGIC to candida albicans. Once the hurdle provided by his immune system was dropped the candida literally went wild. Damage to his intestinal probably increased tenfold over the course of a few days.

>In this case, would SR prevent the LGS in the first place, or is it the improper metabolic diet that let to the LGS? (maybe it depends on how "far you are from the edged of the immune system cliff?", genetically speaking?)<

Dr. Hans Seyle found that there are literally thousands of stressors out there, but they all have a common stress effect -- and sooner or later leaky gut will become part of that stress effect. I do believe that a diet mismatched to inherited metabolism is the single greatest UNDIAGNOSED stressor at the current time. It is an ESPECIALLY profound stress for those that happen to inherit an EXTREME metabolism and don't eat in a radical enough manner to match that extreme.

I don't believe that any amount of skilled relaxtion will be able to offset these large metabolic differences (of course it might delay onset of disease. Specifically if Walt was to eat what I eat (high purine, fat and cholesterol dark meats three times a day) and I was to eat his low fat, low cholesterol, high complex carbohydrate diet each day I'm sure that he would eventually see his diabetic problems increase as well as risk for cardiovascular disease. I'm sure that I would experience my rheumatoid arthritis renewed and maybe some other chronic disease.

In essence we would both be mal-adapted and eventually succumb to the stress effect of being born metabolically 'extreme' and not eating a diet matched to that extreme.

Skilled relaxation ALWAYS HELPS but don't believe that it is a 'cure-all' that can overcome HUGE maladaptive stressors.

Bob





Re: The possible human for the 21st century.

Posted by Walt Stoll on August 26, 1999 at 11:48:11:

In Reply to: Re: The possible human for the 21st century. posted by RocketHealer Jim++ on August 25, 1999 at 14:36:26:

Really, RHJ, if you don't get your fliers by Monday. Let me know & I will ship some to you from here.

I hope you can say something about your impressions about the meeting on the BB. Perhaps I can fill in any lines that I think would help.

Namaste`

Walt



Thank you. (nmi)

Posted by Pete R on August 26, 1999 at 13:19:13:

In Reply to: Re: Excellent post. Can you summarize the Bottom Line? posted by Robert McFerran on August 26, 1999 at 11:46:06:

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