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osteoarthritis - how likely is it you can reverse it?

Posted by Dan [2966.8593] on January 26, 2010 at 06:06:42:

hi there, im totally freaking out about having osteoarthritis at age 34. its really affecting my life too.

im wondering if others have had great success in reversing their symptoms with the 3LS. im afraid that it will only get a little better and that may not make much of a difference.

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Re: osteoarthritis - how likely is it you can reverse it?

Posted by Walt Stoll [93.8578] on January 26, 2010 at 07:54:16:

In Reply to: osteoarthritis - how likely is it you can reverse it? posted by Dan [2966.8593] on January 26, 2010 at 06:06:42:

Dan,

We only get ONE body in this life. Since osteoarthritis is called " the wear and tear arthritis" it all depends upon how much wear and tear you are willing to subject the joints to. There are many things one can do to retard this wear and tear which, started early enough, should guarantee that the affected joints would outlast the rest of your body. This is pretty well covered in the arthritis archives.

Let us know what you learn.

Walt

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Re: osteoarthritis - how likely is it you can reverse it?

Posted by Joe AKA Lurch [140.7737] on January 26, 2010 at 07:58:54:

In Reply to: osteoarthritis - how likely is it you can reverse it? posted by Dan [2966.8593] on January 26, 2010 at 06:06:42:

See link to my previous reply, Re: OA


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thanks.

Posted by Dan [7550.8555] on January 26, 2010 at 09:00:33:

In Reply to: Re: osteoarthritis - how likely is it you can reverse it? posted by Walt Stoll [93.8578] on January 26, 2010 at 07:54:16:

thanks walt. i think its time for me to finally grow up.

dan

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Re: osteoarthritis - how likely is it you can reverse it?

Posted by Dan [7550.8555] on January 26, 2010 at 09:00:50:

In Reply to: Re: osteoarthritis - how likely is it you can reverse it? posted by Joe AKA Lurch [140.7737] on January 26, 2010 at 07:58:54:

interesting. will take a look.

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Re: osteoarthritis - how likely is it you can reverse it?

Posted by Jayne [10093.8535] on January 26, 2010 at 09:26:28:

In Reply to: osteoarthritis - how likely is it you can reverse it? posted by Dan [2966.8593] on January 26, 2010 at 06:06:42:

if I could think back to when I was 34, I'd probably do many things differently......

even earlier,,,we played sports in school, which was required??!!
it all has to do with that?!!

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Re: osteoarthritis - how likely is it you can reverse it?

Posted by dan [7550.8555] on January 26, 2010 at 10:55:02:

In Reply to: Re: osteoarthritis - how likely is it you can reverse it? posted by Jayne [10093.8535] on January 26, 2010 at 09:26:28:

im not sure what you mean. elaborate please :)

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one question

Posted by Dan [7550.8555] on January 26, 2010 at 13:15:54:

In Reply to: Re: osteoarthritis - how likely is it you can reverse it? posted by Walt Stoll [93.8578] on January 26, 2010 at 07:54:16:

how can one tell if it is "early enough?"

You said "There are many things one can do to retard this wear and tear which, started early enough, should guarantee that the affected joints would outlast the rest of your body."

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Re: one question

Posted by Walt Stoll [93.8578] on January 26, 2010 at 13:35:40:

In Reply to: one question posted by Dan [7550.8555] on January 26, 2010 at 13:15:54:

Dan,

The only way I know is a judgement call by a professional after taking EVERYTHING into account and then observing the individual over many years.

All I can say, from here, is: "What do you have to lose by doing the things that, in general, will help anyone with this condition?

Walt

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Re: thanks.

Posted by craig [8177.8024] on January 26, 2010 at 13:39:18:

In Reply to: thanks. posted by Dan [7550.8555] on January 26, 2010 at 09:00:33:

Dan, You keep "asking" when does the "doing" start?
I gave you a list of supplements specifficly for O.A. Will you them ? Did you read about each one of them ?
As an example, Glucosamine Sulphate is PROVEN in several clinical studies to rebuild cartilage.You need to rebuild or at least stop the present progression or things will get worse.Fish oil and curcumin have proven abilities to surpress inflamation. YOU have inflamation if you have OA. Inflamation "feeds" joint detioration.
You "ask" a lot but when there's so much evidence about proven ways to help your condition maybe it's time for the "doing" to begin. :>)

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Re: thanks.

Posted by Dan [7550.8555] on January 26, 2010 at 14:34:20:

In Reply to: Re: thanks. posted by craig [8177.8024] on January 26, 2010 at 13:39:18:

craig, i do plenty. i took your suggestions. i tend to ask questions when i get anxious or am in a lot of pain. it doesnt mean im not working my ass off the rest of the time. that doesnt mean im perfect. but trust me, i took what you said very seriously, researched it, bought the glucosamine, bought the fish oil and bought some stuff called boswellia which i found was helpful according to some studies.

i know my questions can get annoying so i understand your concern. best to you.

dan

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Re: osteoarthritis - how likely is it you can reverse it?

Posted by Jayne [10093.8535] on January 26, 2010 at 18:08:25:

In Reply to: Re: osteoarthritis - how likely is it you can reverse it? posted by Jayne [10093.8535] on January 26, 2010 at 09:26:28:

guess I don't know what I said so early in the morning!!

just that we all probably did things when we were young that have bearing on why our body is as it is now.........

I have Osteoporosis also,,,& I'm a few years older than you.........

I take my Bone Up & magnisium & fish Oil & go on about my day..........

good luck!

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Posted by ChironDave [1181.7700] on January 26, 2010 at 23:10:49:

In Reply to: thanks. posted by Dan [7550.8555] on January 26, 2010 at 09:00:33:

If you think of the wear and tear on your front tires. Your tires are meant to last 40, 50 or even 60 thousand miles. Our necks are meant to last a very long time. Some are born with more potential than others but everyone is born with a potential for having a well functioning spine for a lifetime.

Why do some tires wear out more than others? If you drive over many potholes, on gravel roads, up the curb, etc... you are going to have more degeneration of the tires. Things like frequent trauma, stress, bad posture.... these things can wear your cervical spine at an accelerated rate. The most common problem with tires, when they wear out unevenly and too fast, is that there is a front end alignment problem. This put an abnormal amount of pressure on one area. Similar to having osteoarthritis in one area of the cervical spine but other areas appearing perfectly normal for their age.

Your cervical spine is the same way. If things are not aligned properly they will wear out faster. Our bodies lay down bone to protect the area(bone spurs) and are identified as osteoarthritic.

There are many things you can do to decrease the inflammatory process which leads to this bone laying down such as increasing your omega-3 levels to interrupt the inflammation cascade. But, like the tires, the real way to address the most common cause of the wear and tear is to address the abnormal pressure. If things are not aligned and functioning properly they will wear out faster than they should.

As for reversing the degeneration that is already there... it's the exeption and not the rule to have that happen. I've heard of it happening but have never seen it, personally.

Additonally, the osteoarthritis that is already there rarely hurts. It's the malalignment and continued inflammatory reponse that hurts. Addressing that is what results in pain relief.

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Posted by Jan DeCourtney, CMT (Happygal) [7244.8555] on January 27, 2010 at 00:29:37:

In Reply to: osteoarthritis - how likely is it you can reverse it? posted by Dan [2966.8593] on January 26, 2010 at 06:06:42:

Hi Dan,

At age 34, if I had OA with a long life ahead of me, I'd be doing EVERYTHING that could possibly reverse or retard it. Especially the 3LS since many people have given testimonials that it helps. If you don't do it, you can't get any benefit.

Best wishes,
Jan

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Re: thanks. Archive in arthritis.

Posted by Walt Stoll [93.8578] on January 27, 2010 at 07:34:27:

In Reply to: Re: thanks. posted by ChironDave [1181.7700] on January 26, 2010 at 23:10:49:

Thanks, ChironDave!

Excellent explanation!

Namaste`

Walt

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Posted by Charles [448.7763] on January 27, 2010 at 10:12:25:

In Reply to: osteoarthritis - how likely is it you can reverse it? posted by Dan [2966.8593] on January 26, 2010 at 06:06:42:

Dan would you try cayenne? You might want to get Vince' perceptive on it. I'm sure it would burn for a few seconds, it appears to have the same amount of pain killers that tobacco does and tobacco can kill pain very fast.

You might crush up some grapes first and see if they can penetrate the body cells, they are potent against inflammation and osteoarthritis


cayenne
Antiinflammatory 100 mg 4 x/day 20 mg/kg 20-150 mg/kg 200 mg/kg ipr rat ED 1-10 ug/ear IC47=50 mg/kg scu IC50=100 uM IC50=21 uM IC50=31 uM IC50=42 uM IC63=100 mg/kg scu ipr
Antiosteoarthritic 1 g 2x/day

grape
Antiinflammatory 1/2 Indomethacin 1/3 Indomethacin 100 mg 4 x/day 20 mg/kg 20-150 mg/kg 200 mg/kg ipr rat 40 mg/kg ipr =indomethacin IC50=2.6 uM IC50=21 uM IC50=31 uM IC50=42 uM IC71=1,000 ppm orl
I know that tobacco can take inflammation out but it doesn't have the amount of power cayenne and grapes do when it comes to osteoarthritis.

Nicotine May Help Treat Sepsis
Tobacco Ingredient May Fight Common Infection

WebMD Health NewsOct. 25, 2004 -- The active ingredient in tobacco may actually have a beneficial effect on the body in treating a common and potentially deadly type of infection process known as sepsis, new research shows.

Sepsis is the third leading cause of death in developed countries and accounts for nearly 9% of deaths in the U.S. each year. The condition begins as an infection that activates the entire immune system to an exaggerated degree. The immune system then sets off a chain of events that can lead to uncontrolled inflammation in the body, shock, and eventually death.

You gotta know if nicotine can stop uncontrolled inflammation, it will take care of what you have.


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Posted by Charles [448.7763] on January 27, 2010 at 13:30:00:

In Reply to: Re: osteoarthritis - how likely is it you can reverse it? posted by Charles [448.7763] on January 27, 2010 at 10:12:25:

Dan
I think if you are considering grapes, you might as well forget them, they have hardly any antiosteoarthritic activity in the fruit, almost all of it is in the plant, root and leaves.

Cayenne is all in the fruit.

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Re: osteoarthritis - how likely is it you can reverse it?

Posted by Jayne [10093.8535] on January 27, 2010 at 17:36:07:

In Reply to: Re: osteoarthritis - how likely is it you can reverse it? posted by Charles [448.7763] on January 27, 2010 at 10:12:25:

is THIS WHO I think it is?????????
missed YOU!

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Re: osteoarthritis - how likely is it you can reverse it?

Posted by Charles [448.7763] on January 27, 2010 at 22:13:27:

In Reply to: Re: osteoarthritis - how likely is it you can reverse it? posted by Jayne [10093.8535] on January 27, 2010 at 17:36:07:

I think so.

You won't believe this but I wrote a song about MY tobacco, it's supposed to be done tomorrow. :)

I think I shortchanged it though, I should have just had a list of the things it can treat.

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Re: osteoarthritis - how likely is it you can reverse it?

Posted by craig [8177.8024] on January 27, 2010 at 22:14:27:

In Reply to: Re: osteoarthritis - how likely is it you can reverse it? posted by Charles [448.7763] on January 27, 2010 at 22:13:27:

Charles, I can believe it ...

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Re: thanks.

Posted by Dan [7550.8555] on January 28, 2010 at 11:41:36:

In Reply to: Re: thanks. posted by ChironDave [1181.7700] on January 26, 2010 at 23:10:49:

thanks dave!

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Re: osteoarthritis - how likely is it you can reverse it?

Posted by Jayne [10093.8535] on January 28, 2010 at 21:22:37:

In Reply to: Re: osteoarthritis - how likely is it you can reverse it? posted by Charles [448.7763] on January 27, 2010 at 22:13:27:

glad to see your post........
let me know on the song....

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