Arthritis historical posts July 1998

Rheumatoid Arthrits, Info Overload & Questions

Posted by Lori Reid on July 20, 1998 at 19:56:36:

My name is Lori, I have RA (dx with jra at age 2, 33 yo now)and LGS I'm sure. I have been reading everything I can get my hands on incl: Dr Stoll's book (EXCELLENT BTW), all the archives on lgs, archives of bob mcferran posts, Whole foods book by beth (read most of it) got the yeast connection and another yeast book but haven't read most of that yet. etc etc. Anyway I'm starting to get info overload and I thought others could benefit from what I'm learning and will continue to learn. Oh yeah, relaxation and stress reduction wkbk is on its way to me along with meditating with children ( I have a 16 month old daughter).
So, I'm thinking.... 1. Start skilled relaxation of some sort. 2. Start yeast control whole foods diet. 3. Excercise more as pain and time permit. (Ok, excercise regularly) 4. Keep you all posted on great results & learn more & ask more questions 5. Read bob's book when it comes out.
BTW, also had several (lost count) yeast infections in last 7 months cause (lgs of course) and antibiotic therapy for RA. Also feel that I'm 70 or so lbs overweight and very tired all the time. (imagine that)
Ok, Dr. Stoll, Bob McFerran any suggestions?? am I on the right track?
LOVE you guys work!
Thanks, Lori


Re: Rheumatoid Arthrits, Info Overload & Questions

Posted by Robert McFerran on July 20, 1998 at 23:07:08:

In Reply to: Rheumatoid Arthrits, Info Overload & Questions posted by Lori Reid on July 20, 1998 at 19:56:36:

Lori,

It sounds as if you are serious about re-winning your health -- for your young child as well as for yourself. There is a sequence that you should use to attack this problem -- and I am spelling it out in the protocol section of my book. That section is still being written and I feel like a real hypocrite -- but my book agent has warned me not to post any more of the book on the Internet since it will undermine her efforts to make a deal with a good publisher.

At this juncture I think that you and I should talk some on the phone to get you started and give you some sort of time-line for what you should be doing. I'll e-mail my number and the best times for you to get in touch.

It is interesting that the one thing that you excluded from your post is the importance of matching diet to inherited metabolism. In other words just eating a whole foods diet and eliminating allergens will NOT be enough. One of the reasons (probably the first reason) that you've been ill all these years is because you've inherited an EXTREME metabolism. You will have to eat in an equally EXTREME fashion to satisfy these inherited needs. Perhaps the MAJOR thesis of my book is that folks with an EXTREME metabolism tend to get sick first. This EXTREME metabolism is the major UNDIAGNOSED problem by all health care professionals -- be they nutritionists, M.D's, Chiropractors, herbalists, Naturopaths, homeopaths, O.D.'s, etc., etc.

Lori, you can share what we talk about on the phone and your progress so other BB participants can see what you're doing and the logic behind it.

Bob


Re: Rheumatoid Arthrits, Info Overload & Questions

Posted by lori on July 21, 1998 at 08:59:02:

In Reply to: Re: Rheumatoid Arthrits, Info Overload & Questions posted by Robert McFerran on July 20, 1998 at 23:07:08:

Thanks Bob!
I appreciate your input! I forgot to mention that I do have the eat right for your type book too. Think I have pretty close to the O type needs. I did a lot better a few months back following dr atkins diet but still had headaches and wanted to sleep at least 12 hrs per day (unfortunately, little one wasn't cooperating!). Then I let a sugar craving get to me, said ok, Ive been good for 1 1/2 mo, I can have whatever I want for 1 day.... well that was several nonths ago and I'm still doing the sugar etc. If I knew then what I know now maybe I'd have been able to stick it out better.
Anyway, thanks for the email - I look forward to talking with you. AND getting me & my family healthy!
THANKS, Lori


Re: Rheumatoid Arthrits, Info Overload & Questions

Posted by Walt Stoll on July 21, 1998 at 13:31:02:

In Reply to: Rheumatoid Arthrits, Info Overload & Questions posted by Lori Reid on July 20, 1998 at 19:56:36:

Dear Lori,

CONGRATULATIONS! You ARE on the right track and have been ever since you decided to become an expert in this. I appreciate your having "sharing this with others" on your list. A wise man once said: "Helping others along the path to wellness is an aspect of our own!"

Now, the problem will be not overloading you with stuff to do. You would do better with starting with the skilled relaxation & imagery and then, when you are feeling better, consider starting the dietary stuff.

IF you are able to do the above & still have time to do some exercise, more power to you. Just do not overload yourself to the point where you can do nothing right.

I would not try to kill off the candida till you are feeling enough better to easily have the energy to keep up what got you there while also attacking the candida.

Please feel free to call on us at any time for questions, encouragement or more resources.

You have already done the hardest part. From now on, your increasing horsepower will make things easier & easier. Ask Robert. He is still going through it.

Namaste` Walt



Re: Rheumatoid Arthrits, Info Overload & Questions

Posted by Walt Stoll on July 21, 1998 at 13:46:21:

In Reply to: Re: Rheumatoid Arthrits, Info Overload & Questions posted by lori on July 21, 1998 at 08:59:02:

Dear Lori,

Bob has offered you a rare service. Nothing mnore than I would expect from the wonderful person I know him to be.

I hope you will continue to share what you learn with the rest of us here on the bb----along with your expereinces as you get well.

Namaste` Walt



Re: Rheumatoid Arthrits, Info Overload & Questions

Posted by Lori Reid on July 22, 1998 at 16:37:34:

In Reply to: Re: Rheumatoid Arthrits, Info Overload & Questions posted by Walt Stoll on July 21, 1998 at 13:46:21:

Bob, Thanks again for taking the time to talk with me on the phone. I really think it makes sense for me to do the elimination diet right away, as we discussed I'll be using lamb instead of fish, but even lamb might take a few more days to get ahold of. Then I start! In the meantime, should I get off the caffeine and sugar right now, maybe not be so sick all at once? Or just wait for all the parts for the elim diet and be sick and withdrawn only once?

Also, I was wondering how I can know what Kirsten needs to eat. At 16 mo she still can't really tell me what works best for her. Since she was born she has always tugged and itched her ears (she's had a couple of ear infections at around 8-9 mo) even when she didn't have the infection. The last 2 times the dr (well baby ck up) said her ears are fine. But I've always been suspicious of that. Also, she's always been kind of a light sleeper and/or has trouble sleeping or getting to sleep. I'm sure that probably is diet related. Any suggestions?

Dr. Stoll, the meditation with children book arrived today. Will read it and get started with that right away also. One question, is 16 months to young to start her, probably not but how on earth to I get her to sit still that long? I'll probably find the answer in the book, I bet:)))

Thanks so much for your help guys!!! I'll be keeping you all posted! Lori


Re: Rheumatoid Arthrits, Info Overload & Questions

Posted by Robert McFerran on July 22, 1998 at 19:52:25:

In Reply to: Re: Rheumatoid Arthrits, Info Overload & Questions posted by Lori Reid on July 22, 1998 at 16:37:34:

Lori,

I'd wait and just do all the eliminating at once.

I'll wait to see what Walt suggests as the best nutrition for your baby.

Bob


Re: Rheumatoid Arthrits, Info Overload & Questions

Posted by Walt Stoll on July 23, 1998 at 13:54:16:

In Reply to: Re: Rheumatoid Arthrits, Info Overload & Questions posted by Robert McFerran on July 22, 1998 at 19:52:25:

Hi, Bob.

At this stage, MY expertise is in getting the child's body to assimilate what IS taken in.

I would think that as varied a whole foods diet as possible would be helpful but one almost has to treat this kid as an adult & you know more about THAT now than I do.

Remember, "nutrition" is a lot more than what is eaten. There are many steps between deciding what to eat and getting the good out of the intracellular processes.

Thanks, again! Walt



Re: Rheumatoid Arthrits, Info Overload & Questions

Posted by Walt Stoll on July 23, 1998 at 14:02:01:

In Reply to: Re: Rheumatoid Arthrits, Info Overload & Questions posted by Lori Reid on July 22, 1998 at 16:37:34:

Dear Lori,

EACH dietary stressor has its own withdrawal. Whenever you choose correctly about what to eliminate, though, you will get healthier & more capable of withdrawing the next one you might choose.

Unfortunately, it seems that a water fast (the only way to be sure you are catching everything) doesn't work very well. For some reason it seems that one has to continue to "though-put" other stuff to have a successful elimination/provocation test.

If your relaxation book for kids doesn't have ideas for this age, let me know & I may be able to help. One thing I DO know is that by making it a game, you can likely get at least a 5 minute process & that is the way to start.

Let us know how you do.

By the way, I also know that very small children still have such an intuitive connection to their mothers that even children a few months old get a lot of benefit from being in the same room with their mothers while the mothers do the relaxation.

Walt



Robert McFerran

Posted by Peggy on July 29, 1998 at 12:17:16:

Robert,

Are you free of your arthritis? If so, how long did you have it and was it your diet that turned it around? (I don't have arthritis, I'm just curious.)

Peggy



Re: Robert McFerran

Posted by Robert McFerran on July 29, 1998 at 18:01:43:

In Reply to: Robert McFerran posted by Peggy on July 29, 1998 at 12:17:16:

Peggy,

Once you understand what arthritis really is then you'll understand that like leaky gut syndrome, you can do a lot to turn it off. To say that you've completely turned it off is another issue since your gut, to some degree, is always going to leak. And by the way most of the therapies that I've designed to stop arthritis are built upon the principle that if you can heal the leaky gut you can stop your arthritis.

A diet mismatched to your inherited metabolic type will always result in poor amino acid synthesis which in turn translates to poor cellular regeneration. The first target organ to suffer is the lining of the intestinal tract since it needs to regererate (one cell thick) at least every 14 hours to maintain good functionality.

I am now convinced that without the proper diet I would have never turned this thing around.

Here is a little from the protocol section of my book. It might shed some more light:

All of your efforts will focus on one objective - - healing the ‘leaky gut’. Keep in mind that EVERYTHING you will be doing will focus directly or indirectly on that long term goal. The reason for this emphasis is that leaky gut syndrome is the single condition that exists in ALL forms of chronic arthritis.

It’s important to recognize that while food allergies, chemical sensitivities and reactions to gut flora have an impact on arthritis symptoms, they do not cause arthritis per se. Instead food allergies, chemical sensitivities, reactions to gut flora AND ARTHRITIS are all a consequence of a damaged and leaking gut.

For example, if we were to gather a group of 100 people with rheumatoid arthritis we might find the following:
50 of the 100 would have a strong sensitivity to certain chemicals
70 of the 100 would have reactions to various gut bacteria
85 of the 100 would have allergies to specific foods
95 of the 100 would have an overgrowth of intestinal yeast
100 of the 100 would have a leaky gut

Osteoarthritis might yield different numbers:
10 of the 100 would have a strong sensitivity to certain chemicals
90 of the 100 would have reactions to various gut bacteria
75 of the 100 would have allergies to specific foods
10 of the 100 would have an overgrowth of intestinal yeast
100 of the 100 would have a leaky gut

We could do the same for lupus, ankylosing spondylitis as well as other chronic arthritic conditions. The numbers would vary for each group. The only number that would stay the same is that ALL the members of the group would have a leaky gut. While ‘leaky gut syndrome’ is a constant in chronic arthritis, sensitivities to chemicals, foods and gut flora are not.

The mere fact that food allergies, chemical sensitivities and reactions to gut flora are not seen across the board in arthritis has led many to conclude that these phenomenon simply don’t exist. Rheumatologists have been eager to use this faulty logic to ‘toss the baby out with the bath water’. Equally guilty are the doctors that have claimed a cure through the exclusive use of only one modality. They have claimed that antibiotics or dietary manipulation alone were enough to effect a cure or remission. They have witnessed some success but closer scrutiny reveals that these successes have been hit and miss at best. Some individuals have experienced spectacular results while the improvement in others is nil. While all arthritics have a leaky gut, the degree to which they experience reactions to foods, chemicals, or gut flora varies enormously from individual to individual. This is another reason why arthritis has seemed so mysterious and difficult to resolve.


Chapter II

Leaky gut is primarily a ‘design’ problem. Over 4 million years of human evolution has provided us with an intestinal tract that:

· Has a huge surface area - - The intestinal tract, while only 20 feet long, has a folding, undulating wall that maximizes surface area. A surface area of over 100 square yards is generated by thi


Re: Robert McFerran

Posted by Nancy on July 29, 1998 at 18:29:36:

In Reply to: Re: Robert McFerran posted by Robert McFerran on July 29, 1998 at 18:01:43:

Robert

I think you can tell your publisher to stop worrying about your posting chapters from your book on the internet. All that does is make me more eager to read it in its entirity!

Nancy


Re: Robert McFerran

Posted by Peggy on July 29, 1998 at 21:25:52:

In Reply to: Re: Robert McFerran posted by Robert McFerran on July 29, 1998 at 18:01:43:


I concur with Nancy.

This is so great. Just when I think I have the whole picture figured out, I read something else that makes it even clearer. I know that so many problems can be traced back to food allergies or candida, but then I keep forgetting to link it all to Leaky Gut. Duh.

Thanks,

Peggy




Re: Robert McFerran

Posted by Walt Stoll on July 30, 1998 at 11:29:39:

In Reply to: Re: Robert McFerran posted by Nancy on July 29, 1998 at 18:29:36:

Hi, Nancy.

That has been my experience as well. That is why I encouraged Bob to put his stuff on the 'site to let others know what he was doing.

Walt



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