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Posted by Dan [9461.4620] on June 22, 2008 at 15:03:30:

hello,

i have certified my SR via biofeedback. however, after several months (8 months) of twice a day (at least) of SR, i still have severe low back and leg pain. my chiropractor and orthopedic surgeon say it may be permanent neuropathy caused by damaged nerves. the disk has been herniated for 10 years or more.

what can i do to make this better? im doing the SR religiously. i even went on a 7 day silent meditation retreat and was able to relax A LOT but the pain still continues and its bad.



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Re: SR and neuropathy

Posted by Charles [140.2996] on June 22, 2008 at 20:23:51:

In Reply to: SR and neuropathy posted by Dan [9461.4620] on June 22, 2008 at 15:03:30:

Put some hot tobacco on your lower back.

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Re: SR and neuropathy

Posted by k. [80.56] on June 22, 2008 at 21:52:40:

In Reply to: SR and neuropathy posted by Dan [9461.4620] on June 22, 2008 at 15:03:30:


Acupuncture or microcurrent therapy - see the archives.

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Re: SR and neuropathy

Posted by Jan DeCourtney, CMT (Happygal) [884.4558] on June 23, 2008 at 07:32:15:

In Reply to: SR and neuropathy posted by Dan [9461.4620] on June 22, 2008 at 15:03:30:

Hi Dan,

If that were me, I would keep doing SR religiously. I would study up on all nutrients that feed the nerves and nervous system (including myelin sheathes, etc.) and start experimenting with megadoses of those supplements. I would visit the best rolfer possible and make sure that my spinal alignment and connective tissue in the affected areas were all in correct alignment and positions. I would also be sure to receive ample massage in all the affected areas, to make sure hypertense muscles are not contributing to the pain.

Is the disc still herniated? I'd keep looking for alternative ways to un-herniate it.

Best wishes,
Jan

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Re: SR and neuropathy

Posted by Walt Stoll [93.3349] on June 23, 2008 at 07:36:17:

In Reply to: SR and neuropathy posted by Dan [9461.4620] on June 22, 2008 at 15:03:30:

Hi, Dan.

Your chiropractor and orthopedic surgeon may well be right. However, if this were me, I would at least look into k's suggestions. Of course, if Charles' suggestion helps, I would like to know. Certainly it can do no harm.

Walt

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Re: SR and neuropathy

Posted by Steve [4710.3394] on June 23, 2008 at 08:39:57:

In Reply to: SR and neuropathy posted by Dan [9461.4620] on June 22, 2008 at 15:03:30:

Dan,

I am not a doctor, but do you have any idea how many people walk around pain free with a herniated disk? Have you had pain for 10 years?

A rule of thumb for healing. Three months, plus one month for each year you have had the problem. In your case, 10 years, equals 10 months, plus 3 months or a total of 13 months. So you should continue SR.

Check out the healing back pain books by Dr. John Sarno.

Silver Fox!

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Re: SR and neuropathy

Posted by Steven [9326.4558] on June 23, 2008 at 09:02:11:

In Reply to: Re: SR and neuropathy posted by Jan DeCourtney, CMT (Happygal) [884.4558] on June 23, 2008 at 07:32:15:

How could someone find the "best rolfer possible?" There is no way to gauge that.

I mean I am up to session 4 of my 10 series. I don't feel any different. The only difference that people notice is that I am standing taller (posture) but my body symptoms don't feel different at all.

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Re: SR and neuropathy

Posted by Steven [9326.4558] on June 23, 2008 at 09:03:30:

In Reply to: Re: SR and neuropathy posted by Steve [4710.3394] on June 23, 2008 at 08:39:57:

I think Sarno's book is very dangerous. While I agree there is a mental connection with fear and pain, what he suggests is just too much. He basically says that if you have pain or injury to act like you don't, which you can hurt yourself with.

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Re: SR and neuropathy- walt

Posted by Dan [9461.4620] on June 23, 2008 at 09:19:02:

In Reply to: Re: SR and neuropathy posted by Walt Stoll [93.3349] on June 23, 2008 at 07:36:17:

Walt,

When you tell your story how you had several herniated discs and with SR and diet they all went away...I take it you did not have any permanent damage?

It is misleading when you say that because it leads others to think they can have the same result as you did. How can that be possible if someone has had permanent damage?

Maybe surgery can prevent permanent damage?

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Re: SR and neuropathy

Posted by Steve [4710.3394] on June 23, 2008 at 12:38:39:

In Reply to: Re: SR and neuropathy posted by Steven [9326.4558] on June 23, 2008 at 09:03:30:

No, he says, if they can't find anything wrong with you, then its in your head. I know two people that have applied with great sucess his program. One I live with :)

Silver Fox!

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Re: SR and neuropathy

Posted by Dan [9461.4620] on June 23, 2008 at 14:54:26:

In Reply to: Re: SR and neuropathy posted by Steve [4710.3394] on June 23, 2008 at 12:38:39:

silverfox, define find anything wrong with you. is having a herniated disk something wrong with you? some say yes, be careful, you can cause further injury. others say herniated disk means nothing and you can do whatever you want with it and the pain is not skeletal.

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Re: SR and neuropathy

Posted by Steve [4710.3394] on June 23, 2008 at 15:32:28:

In Reply to: Re: SR and neuropathy posted by Dan [9461.4620] on June 23, 2008 at 14:54:26:

Someone told you, that you have had a herniated disk for 10 years. Is this true or just a guess. Lets assume its true. Have you had pain for 10 years. Do you see where I'm going?

Silver Fox!

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Re: SR and neuropathy

Posted by Charles [140.2996] on June 23, 2008 at 17:52:36:

In Reply to: Re: SR and neuropathy posted by Walt Stoll [93.3349] on June 23, 2008 at 07:36:17:

I'm waiting on Victoria to see how she and her husband are doing.

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Re: SR and neuropathy

Posted by Jan DeCourtney, CMT (Happygal) [884.4558] on June 23, 2008 at 19:38:22:

In Reply to: Re: SR and neuropathy posted by Steven [9326.4558] on June 23, 2008 at 09:02:11:

Hi Steven,

Education and experience, plus receiving a sample of their work.

In some places, there's only a few rolfers, so there's not much choice.

Best wishes,
Jan

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Re: SR and neuropathy

Posted by Walt Stoll [93.3349] on June 24, 2008 at 06:21:53:

In Reply to: Re: SR and neuropathy posted by Steven [9326.4558] on June 23, 2008 at 09:02:11:

Steven,

Give it time! It is routine for a Rolfed person to continue to notice additional benefits for at least a year after finishing a "series".

Walt

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Re: SR and neuropathy- walt Archive.

Posted by Walt Stoll [93.3349] on June 24, 2008 at 06:38:26:

In Reply to: Re: SR and neuropathy- walt posted by Dan [9461.4620] on June 23, 2008 at 09:19:02:

Dan,

The elinination of symptoms, so far as am concerned, is the best indication of the reversal of damage. Maintainence of symptom free years is the best indication of success and is also the best indication any surgeon could hope for!

The more years symptoms continue--especially in the absence of actually reversing the causes as we have been preaching on this website for years--the more likely permanent damage will occur.

What can I say? Of course, just because I was fortunate enough to learn how to do this for myself, before permanent damage occured, is NO reason for anyone to think their results would be the same. Of course I saw very similar positive results in my patients who followed the same recommendations for the 15 years I knew enough to teach them.

"You pays your money and you takes your choice."

Walt

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Re: SR and neuropathy

Posted by Steven [9326.4558] on June 24, 2008 at 10:22:45:

In Reply to: Re: SR and neuropathy posted by Walt Stoll [93.3349] on June 24, 2008 at 06:21:53:

Oh I am going to finish the 10 series, without a doubt. I just hope it doesn't turn out to be yet another thing I wasted money on.

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Re: SR and neuropathy

Posted by Angela [8242.4625] on June 26, 2008 at 14:15:51:

In Reply to: SR and neuropathy posted by Dan [9461.4620] on June 22, 2008 at 15:03:30:

Okay it is true that some people walk around with herniated disks and no pain and some walk around with no detectable damage with horrible pain. Pete Egoscue has written several books on how miraculously he has been able to help people with varying levels of damage including some who were never supposed to be able to walk again or even start walking in the first place and got them out of pain and walking fine. He has several clinics throughout the US although if I could I'd go directly to him. He also has a website. His method is slow but effective. You can order any of the simple tools he uses off his website, they are not particularly expensive - I would suggest reading one of his books also. You also need to know that an acid condition in your body will cause pain to concentrate in any damaged area of your body and that when you eliminate that acid condition your pain can often be greatly alleved or even eliminated as long as you maintain an alkaline state. I started the raw vegan diet after having a long term injury which was causing me excrutiating pain be completely relieved every time I went to the health food store and while there I ate a lunch of a huge totally raw salad. When starting to eat I'd be unable to sit still, squirming in my seat in agony and by the time I'd finish to my shock the pain would be gone. After investigating this I put my husband on the diet as it also reverses diabetes and depression. It has been a miracle for us and several others we have shared it with so it might be worth a try for you. Here's one of the many sites about the raw vegan diet: www.alissacohen.com There are also a lot of utube videos about it. At least start investigating how acid and alkaline states are related to pain and the lack of it. Read this article: http://www.healpain.net/articles/Underlying.html
While his tape didn't help the pain I mentioned (It was probably too deep) it did help my headaches but the main thing his info did was to improve my understanding of the cause of pain and I quote: "When no one knows what pain is, then no one can legally claim to “heal” pain, but only “manage” it. The underlying cause of pain is broken, cut, or suppressed endogenous electrical signals between cells. Pain is healed when the body reconnects the broken circuits. This is the way the body heals pain and the only way we can heal pain; by helping the body to reconnect the broken circuits that are the cause of pain. Doing this, is a 180 degree, total, paradigm change, from blocking, masking, or shutting off the pain signal with drugs; all of which are harmful. Using pain medication for pain is treating the symptom not the cause." end quote. In treating pain by addressing the acid condition with the raw diet you are allowing living enzymes in the raw foods to rebuild and thus reconnect those broken circuits. Enzymes are totally deficient in a cooked diet not to mention the damage and destruction that is done to the protiens,vitamens and minerals. Taking extra enzymes in supplement form also contributes to healing. You might consider taking anti-inflammatory nutrients as well ( turmeric, ginger, Vit C, D, E, CMO, etc.) Hope this helps!

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Re: SR and neuropathy

Posted by Charles [140.2996] on June 27, 2008 at 10:59:16:

In Reply to: Re: SR and neuropathy posted by Angela [8242.4625] on June 26, 2008 at 14:15:51:

Turmeric
Antiinflammatory (11 uM) IC~97=1,000 uM 1 uM 1,200 mg/man/day 500 mg/kg IC50=100 uM IC50=3.2-5.6 ug/ml
Analgesic 1-4 g/day 10-100 ug/ml 5-10 g/day
Anesthetic 10-100 ug/ml 200-400
Antiradicular 1/3 quercetin 10 uM 30 mM 7 x quercetin EC50=2 ul/l EC50=5.5-8 ug/ml IC50=32-35 uM

Ginger
Antiinflammatory 1 uM 1,200 mg/man/day 100 mg 4 x/day 20 mg/kg 20-150 mg/kg 200 mg/kg ipr rat 500 mg/kg > indomethacin IC50=100 uM IC50=21 uM IC50=31 uM IC50=42 uM
Analgesic 1-4 g/day 1.7-3.5 mg/kg ivn 140 mg/kg orl mus 200 ug/day 5-10 g/day 750 mg/4x/day/orl/man
Anesthetic
Antiradicular 1/3 quercetin 10 uM 100-200 (-400) ug/man/day 30 mM 7 x quercetin 9 x quercetin EC50=9-15 ug/ml IC50=116-124 uM IC50=32-35 uM IC50=4.6 uM
Tobacco
Antiinflammatory (11 uM) IC~97=1,000 uM 20 mg/kg 20-150 mg/kg 200 mg/kg ipr rat ED 1-10 ug/ear IC50=0.1-5 uM IC50=21 uM IC50=31 uM
Analgesic 100 IU 3 x day 2 mg/kg ipr mus
Anesthetic 200-400 4,000 orl cat 6,000 orl rat
Antiradicular 1/3 quercetin 1/4 quercetin 10 uM 30 mM 7 x quercetin 9 x quercetin EC50=2 ul/l EC50=9-15 ug/ml IC50=116-124 uM IC50=32-35 uM IC50=4.6 uM
Given that I would think ginger would have to be eaten and make its way through the body, it would take much longer to work since tobacco is placed on the body at the place it is needed most and given that it takes about 20 seconds for it to kill pain, it would be working for someone long before gingers' pain killers and antiinflammatories ever get to the area and given that ginger has to be eaten, how much of it could a person eat. As you see the Antiradicals and the Antiinflammatories are pretty equal. I saw my wife walk in one evening crying from hurting in her hip and leg and walk out the next morning as if she had had nothing wrong with her the day before.

TOBACCO IS NOT THE EVIL BEAST THE MEDICAL PROFESSION HAS MADE IT OUT TO BE.



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Re: SR and neuropathy

Posted by Angela [8242.4625] on June 28, 2008 at 14:09:53:

In Reply to: Re: SR and neuropathy posted by Charles [140.2996] on June 27, 2008 at 10:59:16:

Charles, what form of it would be best to use - chewing tobacco in the can - fresh - etc.? How do you apply it? Do you soak it in water first? Any other pointers? Does using it this way stink like cigarettes and cigars do? Can it cause skin damage? Is there an organic form of it? How thick do you put it on? Do you grind it up into a paste first?
Thanks

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Re: SR and neuropathy

Posted by Charles [140.2996] on June 29, 2008 at 07:54:47:

In Reply to: Re: SR and neuropathy posted by Angela [8242.4625] on June 28, 2008 at 14:09:53:

Angela, I use SCOTCH SNUFF, it is finely ground tobacco and it mixes into a poultice very easily. You mix it with hot water and you always want to keep it above body temperature unless you are clotting blood flow. I take the tobacco off every 2-3 minutes and reheat it in a microwave, depending on how much you make up, for 20-30 seconds. Scotch snuff has its' on distinct smell, :).

Can it cause skin damage. Yeah, if you mix it with boiling water and put it on your arm like I did, but actually and this is one reason I wonder if tobacco actually cause cancer is because it has chemicals that are in a group called tannins and tannins were used to tan hides into leather and the ones on tobacco can actually make our skin tougher and stronger and it will actually do that to the meat under our skin, I have seen it do it, and it protects us as no bacteria can penetrate the area. I have NEVER seen tobacco do anything to healthy tissue but it sure will eat up dead or damaged tissue and actually that is good for us as fungus kills our skin and eats on it will it is killing more.

No organic, just regular off the shelf. :) This stuff is potent. If people in olden times had known what tobacco could do, there WOULDN'T have been a medical profession.

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Angela

Posted by Charles [140.2996] on June 29, 2008 at 21:37:38:

In Reply to: Re: SR and neuropathy posted by Charles [140.2996] on June 29, 2008 at 07:54:47:

You like onions?

They have the most powerful biological activities against staph infections that I have ever seen.


This is the reason tobacco has such powerful healing powers.

http://pathmicro.med.sc.edu/mayer/antigens2000.htm

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