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Still having SEVERE facial pain and teeth pain

Posted by Isabelle on July 30, 2001 at 07:53:19:

Dr. Stoll, Dr. Kim, Helping You, or anyone who can help. I entered my first message on 7/10 and received some good advice and suggestions - which I have been following. But, I am not the tiniest bit better. The pain in my face and teeth is getting worse. I feel like the muscles in my cheeks and jaws are shrinking or something. They feel really tight when I try to talk or smile or open my mouth to eat. The pain in my teeth is almost unbearable. I feel sure you are right, Dr. Stoll, that this is probably bracing. But, the SR techniques don't seem to be helping. Shouldn't I be a little bit better since starting two weeks ago??? There is a good holistic practitioner about three hours from my home. The problem is, I am so tapped out on money because I have tried EVERYTHING in the past 13 months to get rid of this pain, that I have been putting off making an appointment. I realize now that he should have been my first choice. Does anyone have any other suggestions?? I have tried the following: Acupuncture, kinesiology, all of the conventional treatments and medications you can think of (Tegretol, Neurontin, Xanax, Valium, + more), neurologists (4 different ones), dentists (3 different ones), sinus doctors (2 different ones), chiropractors (3 different ones), upper cervical manipulations, massage, etc. I am at my wits end. I am afraid I am going to have to quit my job after working 28 years toward retirement. I am only 46. I don't want to have to live in pain for the rest of my life. Thanks everyone for any further suggestions. I really appreciate it.



Re: Still having SEVERE facial pain and teeth pain

Posted by Vince F on July 30, 2001 at 10:28:06:

In Reply to: Still having SEVERE facial pain and teeth pain posted by Isabelle on July 30, 2001 at 07:53:19:

Any idea what might be going on, like do you think you grind
your teeth while you sleep or has TMJ been rulled out ??
Trying to figure the cause usually helps me find a simple
solution to problems because then I go looking for the the
solution and it is usually pretty simple. When I had
stabing pains in my eyes, ears, and jaw it seemed food
related by when it would start and how long it would last
since I had some stomach or intestional sensations though
they were minor they happened at the same time. Because it
could last 2-3-4 days and a headache was involved. I was on
a bland diet for because of many food sensitivities I
thought I should try something different and oat meal was
the answer and in 15 min the pains left. I ate it often
for a short while but that was all that was needed to solve
That problem.

VF



Thanks for responding Vince

Posted by Isabelle on July 30, 2001 at 11:05:14:

In Reply to: Re: Still having SEVERE facial pain and teeth pain posted by Vince F on July 30, 2001 at 10:28:06:

I would eat oatmeal for every meal for the rest of my life if I could get rid of this pain. I am going to try it - believe me!!! I do grind my teeth at night sometimes. I have been diagnosed both yes and no with whether I have TMJ or not. I paid $330 for the mouth splint. It did not help one bit, as a matter of fact, I think it made things worse. I really don't think it is a food allergy thing causing the pain, because the pain is practically constant -day and night. It is a dull throbbing pain in my two front teeth and three on the left side. They feel like they are all five abscessed. The tightness and pain in my cheeks and jaws is more of a soreness type of pain. But, I don't have any other symptoms to mention, other than occasional headaches. I do have ulcers from previous years of anti-inflammatories for a back problem, but I can keep them under control with diet - and staying away from anti-inflammatories. Thanks for your help though. I will be having oatmeal for dinner tonight!!! If you have any other suggestions, I am open to anything!!! Thanks!



Re: Thanks for responding Vince

Posted by Vince F on July 30, 2001 at 14:38:34:

In Reply to: Thanks for responding Vince posted by Isabelle on July 30, 2001 at 11:05:14:

since you say you Do sometimes grind your teeth I would look
at and work on that. I did it for a time when Very stressed.

You say your teeth feel abcessed. Are They ?? Warm salt
water or with cayenne pepper could relieve it even if they
are just sore from grinding them. Cayenne is even said to
Help ulcers or IBS but you may not think so. I use it for
Everything and it helps most and cures things Really fast
or has no effect except for an initial burning. I just had
back, rib, and stomach strains and applying it as a plaster
to the areas especially and ver sore stomach at my ribs and
the strain/pain went away in 15 min.

Try everything and anything that makes sense I took calming
herbs and L-arganine that are all said to lower BP because
mine ran high and they lowered it and I didn't have to take
them that long and my BP is still down. It felt like my
stomach was in spasm since everything I ate or drank caused
a bloating and brought the pains back so I tried the calming
herbs with little effect so read about all the ones I have
and Cat's Claw was said to do something like I was looking
for and taking it before eating I didn't get the bloating or
pains that even affected my shoulder when things went off.
The problem just had to be relieved long enough for me to
heal and it went fast once I found the help. I Love quick
fixes.

VF



Re: Thanks for responding Vince

Posted by Vince F on July 30, 2001 at 14:39:12:

In Reply to: Thanks for responding Vince posted by Isabelle on July 30, 2001 at 11:05:14:

since you say you Do sometimes grind your teeth I would look
at and work on that. I did it for a time when Very stressed.

You say your teeth feel abcessed. Are They ?? Warm salt
water or with cayenne pepper could relieve it even if they
are just sore from grinding them. Cayenne is even said to
Help ulcers or IBS but you may not think so. I use it for
Everything and it helps most and cures things Really fast
or has no effect except for an initial burning. I just had
back, rib, and stomach strains and applying it as a plaster
to the areas especially and ver sore stomach at my ribs and
the strain/pain went away in 15 min.

Try everything and anything that makes sense I took calming
herbs and L-arganine that are all said to lower BP because
mine ran high and they lowered it and I didn't have to take
them that long and my BP is still down. It felt like my
stomach was in spasm since everything I ate or drank caused
a bloating and brought the pains back so I tried the calming
herbs with little effect so read about all the ones I have
and Cat's Claw was said to do something like I was looking
for and taking it before eating I didn't get the bloating or
pains that even affected my shoulder when things went off.
The problem just had to be relieved long enough for me to
heal and it went fast once I found the help. I Love quick
fixes.

VF

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Re: Thanks for responding Vince

Posted by Vince F on July 30, 2001 at 14:45:26:

In Reply to: Thanks for responding Vince posted by Isabelle on July 30, 2001 at 11:05:14:

Just thinking that Cranial Nerves could be involved in your
pains. If I remember right they are in the head and affect
things in the face and or head. What I think was hppening
with me was that food sensitivities caused from a chem
exposure I had were making my brain swell and pressing on
the nerves causing the pains. An acid condition can make
blood pool in the brain. I had pressure in my spine and head
and the O Meal either affected the acid or my intestines.
The pains I had were like someone sticking an old fashioned
ladies hat pin in my ears, eyes, and jaw.

VF

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Re: Still having SEVERE facial pain and teeth pain

Posted by Raisa on July 30, 2001 at 17:01:19:

In Reply to: Still having SEVERE facial pain and teeth pain posted by Isabelle on July 30, 2001 at 07:53:19:

Hi, Isabella - Another suggestion -- have you tried changing your pillow, either to a firmer one, or none at all? Do you notice that your pain is worse upon awakening and gets better during the day? or is it just a constant dull aching night and day. Did you say it is helped by aspirin or tylenol, etc.? Sure wish I could help you. I used to get terrible ear and tooth aches as a child, and I remember the helpless feeling one has with a constant ache!!
Raisa



Re: Still having SEVERE facial pain and teeth pain (Archive in bracing.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on July 31, 2001 at 07:54:17:

In Reply to: Still having SEVERE facial pain and teeth pain posted by Isabelle on July 30, 2001 at 07:53:19:

Isabelle,

Resolving bracing problems with SR takes at least 3 MONTHS to help and 6-12 months to resolve a problem (once you have proven effective SR with biofeedback)--NOT 3 weeks.

You can get results in a few weeks with the massage series described in the bracing archives and for a year or so with Rolfing.

If you have read the bracing archives I would have hoped you would already know the above.

Walt

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Hi Raisa

Posted by Isabelle on July 31, 2001 at 08:01:53:

In Reply to: Re: Still having SEVERE facial pain and teeth pain posted by Raisa on July 30, 2001 at 17:01:19:

Yes I have tried changing pillows, and doing without one. It doesn't seem to make a difference. The pain is constantly with me. The only time the pain is the tiniest bit less is (occasionally) the very first thing in the morning when I wake up. But as soon as I am up and moving around, talking, etc. the pain worsens immediately. I have a hard time eating, talking, smiling, etc. because when the bottom teeth touch the top ones, it feels like the nerves are right on the edge of those top teeth. I have a hard time concentrating at work, or trying to read, etc. (I love to read!) because of the pain. I cry at the drop of a hat, and am not much fun to be around. I am trying all of the suggestions I can find on the BB. I am doing SR (even on my lunch hour at work), eating oatmeal (as per Vince's suggestion). I really want to get better. I am eating properly, drinking lots of water, taking some supplements, exercising, and most importantly SR. Advil does help a little (temporarily), tylenol or aspirin does nothing. I can only take Advil like once a week. I have really bad ulcers from previous years of anti-inflammatories for a bad back. So pain relievers are pretty much "off limits" for me. Thanks for your concern. I appreciate any suggestions!



Hi Vince

Posted by Isabelle on July 31, 2001 at 08:12:42:

In Reply to: Re: Thanks for responding Vince posted by Vince F on July 30, 2001 at 14:38:34:

Thanks for your suggestions. I bought some Cat's Claw yesterday. I have been using some cayenne, but I think I will try to add a little more. I have heard lots of good things about cayenne too, especially from SHAPE's articles. The teeth are definitely not abcessed. I have been to 3 dentists amd had LOTS of x-rays. None of these teeth even have any fillings. As a matter of fact, I am going to the dentist today for a check-up. He is going to try to clean them if I can stand for him to touch them!!! I am afraid to try the L-arganine, because my blood pressure is always very low. Thanks for your suggestions - you are nice to try to help! Say a prayer for me please!



Re: Hi Raisa

Posted by Raisa on July 31, 2001 at 10:17:29:

In Reply to: Hi Raisa posted by Isabelle on July 31, 2001 at 08:01:53:

Hi, Isabella - Sure hope that the SR will help you. It must be difficult to do that when you are in so much pain - to try not to think about the pain while you are doing it!
A challenge! I keep trying SR and have cds. I have learned to relax at night when I wake up and can't stop thinking, which has helped me very much.
Have you been to an orthodontist to see if your teeth are misaligned? If you feel less pain when you wake up, it doesn't sound as if you grind your teeth while you sleep.
I know you said you have seen lots of dentists and also other kinds of doctors. Did they absolutely rule out trigeminal neuralgia? Raisa



Re: Hi Vince

Posted by Vince F on July 31, 2001 at 14:00:48:

In Reply to: Hi Vince posted by Isabelle on July 31, 2001 at 08:12:42:

Isabelle,

Think positive and believe there is help for you but you
Just hadn't found it yet.

I used to have sensitive teeth when younger and any dental
work made them hurt for 6mo after. It wasn't that severe but
really annoying.

VF

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Hi Raisa - RE. Trigeminal Neuralgia

Posted by Isabelle on July 31, 2001 at 14:29:48:

In Reply to: Re: Hi Raisa posted by Raisa on July 31, 2001 at 10:17:29:

I have been diagnosed with Trigeminal Neuralgia by one doctor I went to. He prescribed some medications for it, but they did no good whatsoever. Other doctors have diagnosed TMJ, nerve damage in my cervical spine, sinus pressure on the facial nerves, etc., but so far, none of them have been able to relieve the pain. My dentist (and 2 others) say that my teeth are fine. Thanks for your concern! I will keep trying the SR. Say a little prayer for me please.



Re: Still having SEVERE facial pain and teeth pain

Posted by Sally on July 31, 2001 at 15:17:39:

In Reply to: Still having SEVERE facial pain and teeth pain posted by Isabelle on July 30, 2001 at 07:53:19:

Isabella, so sorry about your condition, I know exactly what you are going through. I actually brought it upon myself when I decided to try taking some Ghinko Biloba. Whatever the herb does about sending more blood flow to your head...it made every nerve in my teeth exquisitely sensitive. By the next morning it had worn off and I said, "never again". I don't know if you are on any medications or herbs containing ghinko. Or are you taking or doing anything with the same action as ghinko? Is there something topical you could apply to your gums from the dentist. I know the anti-inflammatories are terrible on the stomach, would a codeine or darvocet type quiet those nerves? I hope you find some relief somehow.



Re: Still having SEVERE facial pain and teeth pain

Posted by Sonja on July 31, 2001 at 17:01:26:

In Reply to: Still having SEVERE facial pain and teeth pain posted by Isabelle on July 30, 2001 at 07:53:19:

Dear Isabelle,
I am not sure if I can help much, apart from sending my sympathy and voicing an opinion...

To me it seems a little unlikely that such severe pain should be due to bracing only. But I am not the one to say, you would know better, as you are probably aware of the bracing-degree that you might have.

I have once had a serious pain in my jaw, which was progressing for about a month. At first I thought it was anything from an eye or brain tumor. It started on the side, by the ear, but it spread to the entire left side of the face, and was worst in the jaw area. I waited until I could not bear it any more and went to see my dentist, crying silently from pain all during the journey and the examination. It turned out that I had an inflammation in a root nerve, and while the procedure of removing the nerve was very painful, it took the pain away.
The reason was my dentist had mounted a bridge (of false teeth) a month previous to the pain. The teeth were not the right size and kept pressuring and annoying the other teeth. I was simply stricken by a case of bad fit (of less than a milimeter).

Another case I came to think of: a long time ago, a fried of mine was diagnosed with trigeminal neuralgia, and had to be hospitalised and put on heavy drugs in order to manage the pain. All kinds of specialists and dentists checked her. Eventually the dentist nr. 3 or so said: "We can try to remove some of the back teeth and see."
She was repulsed and shocked and answered: "How about sawing my head off?" Sorry if this sounds terrible, but this is exactly what she said, having been in such pain for weeks. In the end she let him go ahead, because she did not know what else to do.
After taking out a second tooth, the pain subsided. Apparently, one of the three roots was extremely long, and was putting a pressure on the nerves in her jaw. She never found out why this did not occur before or if roots can still grow in adults, but the pain did not return.

Maybe this is just the two stories that are similar to a point, but will not solve your problem. Unfortunately I can't tell, but my intuition was to let you know.

I really hope that you'll find out of it and recover

Best wishes

Sonja



Re: Hi Raisa - RE. Trigeminal Neuralgia

Posted by Raisa on July 31, 2001 at 17:21:40:

In Reply to: Hi Raisa - RE. Trigeminal Neuralgia posted by Isabelle on July 31, 2001 at 14:29:48:

Hi, Isabelle - Forgive me please if I am repeating what others have said, but have you seen a chiropractor for this after you were told it could be a problem with your cervical spine? I just can't believe that nothing can be done (in between doing SR and Rolfing). Raisa



Re: Hi Raisa - RE. Trigeminal Neuralgia

Posted by Isabelle on August 01, 2001 at 07:57:02:

In Reply to: Re: Hi Raisa - RE. Trigeminal Neuralgia posted by Raisa on July 31, 2001 at 17:21:40:

Hi Raisa - Yes, I am seeing a new upper cervical chiropractor now. It has only been three adjustments, but so far I haven't noticed much improvement. I have to give him time to help me I guess, but a "quick fix" sure would be nice (ha-ha). Thanks again!

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Re: Hi Raisa - RE. Trigeminal Neuralgia

Posted by Isabelle on August 01, 2001 at 07:58:01:

In Reply to: Re: Hi Raisa - RE. Trigeminal Neuralgia posted by Raisa on July 31, 2001 at 17:21:40:

Hi Raisa - Yes, I am seeing a new upper cervical chiropractor now. It has only been three adjustments, but so far I haven't noticed much improvement. I have to give him time to help me I guess, but a "quick fix" sure would be nice (ha-ha). Thanks again!



Hi Sonja

Posted by Isabelle on August 01, 2001 at 08:16:21:

In Reply to: Re: Still having SEVERE facial pain and teeth pain posted by Sonja on July 31, 2001 at 17:01:26:

Thank you very much for your concern and suggestions. I have been to several dentists and they all agree that there is absolutely nothing wrong with the teeth or see nothing abnormal at the roots. They have x-rayed me until I glow in the dark, including the panaromic x-ray, which is supposed to detect any abnormalities in the nerves, swellings, growths, etc. I have had two teeth removed on the left side, but that did not help. At first they thought those two teeth were cracked in the root, but in hindsight, I don't think there was anything wrong with those two teeth at all. A couple of doctors have diagnosed me with Trigiminal Neuralgia, and have tried several medications used for this: Neurontin, Tegretol, Corbitrol, etc., but they did not help at all. I went yesterday for a teeth cleaning (that was fun!!!), and I have to go back in two weeks to repair a cracked filling on the right side, so I am going to ask him about the possibility of the long root pressing on the nerve. That sounds possible to me. I also find it had to believe that "bracing" could cause pain this severe. I really am not aware that I am "bracing" that much. I occasionally wake up with my teeth clinched, so I guess I am anaware of it. Thanks again for your concern. There are some nice people on this BB.



Hi Sally

Posted by Isabelle on August 01, 2001 at 08:31:39:

In Reply to: Re: Still having SEVERE facial pain and teeth pain posted by Sally on July 31, 2001 at 15:17:39:

I take some herbal supplements. I don't take Ghinko Biloba specifically, but I am going to check the "multiples" that I take. It could be in one of those, I guess!! Thanks for the tip - I will be checking for that ASAP! My dentist prescribed a "numbing" prescription for me once, but that was a big mistake. I rubbed in on the area, and it felt like I was holding ice on those teeth. It lasted a good long while too. I thought I would die!!! You know how if feels when you eat ice cream or something? -- that initial "freeze" -- that was what it was like, but it lasted A LONG TIME!!! So I haven't tried that anymore! I am allergic to codeine, but I haven't tried darvacet. I was afraid of upsetting my ulcer! I don't think I could handle an inflammed ulcer right now. Thank you for your help. I am going to check my "multiples" as soon as I get home. If the Ghinko is the cause of this, I will owe you BIG TIME!!!! Thanks again!



Re: Hi Raisa - RE. Trigeminal Neuralgia

Posted by Raisa on August 01, 2001 at 09:01:48:

In Reply to: Re: Hi Raisa - RE. Trigeminal Neuralgia posted by Isabelle on August 01, 2001 at 07:58:01:

Hi, Isabelle - If you find that your chiropractor isn't helping you, be sure to try another one (are there many in your area of West Virginia?). I went to quite a few years ago (also in WV) and finally found one who helped me a lot with spinal problems from a fall. I also knew a person whose father was cured of a terrible neck pain by a chiropractor when no one else could help. Now they are much more popular,so I'm sure you could find one with many good references.
Also, did anyone mention the trampoline? It has been known to help many ailments because it works on the lymphatic system. Maybe a gym would have one you could try. Raisa



Re: Hi Raisa - RE. Trigeminal Neuralgia

Posted by Isabelle on August 01, 2001 at 09:49:48:

In Reply to: Re: Hi Raisa - RE. Trigeminal Neuralgia posted by Raisa on August 01, 2001 at 09:01:48:

Hi Raisa - I believe in chiropractors too. This one I am going to now has a great reputation. I checked him out very well before investing the money. With all of the doctors, tests, etc. I have had lately, money is really tight. And believe it or not, I have one of those mini-trampolines in my basement. I had heard about it being good for the lymphatic system and bought it at a yard sale a few years ago. Guess who will be bouncing on that thing tonight to see if it helps????? I will let you know if it does! Thanks for you help!



Well, here's hoping!!! nmi

Posted by Sally on August 01, 2001 at 10:34:00:

In Reply to: Hi Sally posted by Isabelle on August 01, 2001 at 08:31:39:

nmi

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Re: Hi Raisa - RE. Trigeminal Neuralgia

Posted by Raisa on August 01, 2001 at 11:54:02:

In Reply to: Re: Hi Raisa - RE. Trigeminal Neuralgia posted by Isabelle on August 01, 2001 at 09:49:48:

Hi again, Isabelle - Sounds as if you are tackling your problem from all sides!! Please be sure to keep posting.
Good luck!! Raisa

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Re: Hi Sonja (Archive in bracing.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on August 02, 2001 at 10:24:39:

In Reply to: Hi Sonja posted by Isabelle on August 01, 2001 at 08:16:21:

Isabelle,

Until it is brought, forcibly, to their attention people who are bracing rarely are aware of it. I am a personal example.

I would classify your current symptoms as an attempt, on the part of your bodymind, to "forcibly" bring this TO your attention.

A massage specialist or a Certified Rolfer could tell.

Walt



Dr. Stoll

Posted by Isabelle on August 02, 2001 at 11:21:58:

In Reply to: Re: Hi Sonja (Archive in bracing.) posted by Walt Stoll on August 02, 2001 at 10:24:39:

Thanks Dr. Stoll: I have an appointment with a massage therapist this weekend. I am hoping he can help too! I don't think there is a Rolf therapist in WV. There is one in Kentucky about 3 hours away. That's not too bad. If the massage doesn't help, I am going to try Rolf. Thanks again for your help!!!

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