Diabetes historical posts June 1998

Diabetes-is there a natural way to cure it?

Posted by Rita on June 26, 1998 at 11:17:28:

Hello,
I have a problem that I hope you can help with. My mother has a form of diabetes. She doesn't take insulin or any other drug for it. Her sugar has been in 200s to low 300s. Some days it will be near 200 and then something happens with her body and it goes up to 300s. It seems that when she eats white flour it goes up and then after a few days of eating it, it stays at a certain number without going up or down. One doctor told her that she might have tolerance to white flour products. Is there a diet that she could do to help her keep her sugar down or is there something else you can suggest?
Thank you!


Re: Diabetes-is there a natural way to cure it?

Posted by Gerry on June 26, 1998 at 15:28:27:

In Reply to: Diabetes-is there a natural way to cure it? posted by Rita on June 26, 1998 at 11:17:28:

Rita,

Many years ago (mid-70's I believe), I read a book about a "cure" for some degrees of diabetes that involved a low fat, high roughage diet. I seem to recall the low fat aspect was very important and for diabetes was quite revolutionary at the time. I never had that problem, but was interested in the diet for a healthy heart. I can't recall the title, but I think the author was a Dr. Ruben.

Hope this helps,
Gerry


This is your Lucky Day, Rita!

Posted by Greg on June 27, 1998 at 19:13:23:

In Reply to: Diabetes-is there a natural way to cure it? posted by Rita on June 26, 1998 at 11:17:28:

THERE IS INDEED A CURE!

First of all, there are a few things to understand about diabetes.
The first one is that it is "caused" primarily by 2 things.

A. Certain "foods" have completely depleted a trace element needed
for digestion. This trace element is Chromium. Have her supplement
her meals with 200 mcg of Glucose Tolerance Factor Chromium.
The foods which triggered diabetes should be eliminated. Bringing me
to...

B. Your mother can no longer have a meaningful relationship with sugar.
You and her are going to have to eliminate almost all the sugar from her
diet. This is will be difficult, as there is more sugar in common foods
than you would think at first. I have written a few posts on
this subject,
and it would be a good idea to access the archives on this site as well,
which will give you a better overview and strategy as to what to do.

It would be very helpful to find out your mother's blood type. There
is a diet designed especially for diabetes (as in curing it)
as well as
keeping your mother healthy generally speaking.

You will find it on the Eat Right For Your Type site.

Other links of interest include this one on Artificial Sweeteners and
here on this site, >>>Leaky Gut? of which you should read
the entire thread.

Mary and I are both concerned with diabetes. I think you will find
reading the thread very helpful and informative.

As an aside, 200 as a low reading is not very good at all.
105-115 is low and what you really want is 100.

-Greg



Re: Diabetes-is there a natural way to cure it?

Posted by Walt Stoll on June 28, 1998 at 08:35:45:

In Reply to: Diabetes-is there a natural way to cure it? posted by Rita on June 26, 1998 at 11:17:28:

Dear Rita,

Listen to both Greg & Gerry! Go to the link:
Sugar vs refined Carbohydrates and read Beth Loiselle's book referenced there.

THEN, if she does THIS diet, your mother should watch her sugar very carefully since any hypoglycemic medication she might be taking will have to be rapidly reduced by her present physician. It is a lot more dangerous for her to get her sugar too low (in the short term) than it is for it to be too high (which is dangerous in the long term). So long as she is taking nothiing for it, she doesn't have to worry about the sugar getting too low.

However, I am a little surprised that her doc is not at least prescribing an oral hypoglycemic with her levels this high (I am assuming that these are fasting levels.). These are the levels associated with the most damage in the long run from uncontrolled diabetes.

ALSO, it is important to know if these values you quote are fasting specimens OR taken exactly 2 hours after a measured carbohydrate meal (the most accurate way).

Chromium is the present darling of people looking beyond just taking hypoglycemic agents or injectable insulin. That is because it was the first one found to be directly related to diabetes--about 30 years ago. However, it is but one of about 50 nutrients needed for the Krebs Cycle that trigger diabetic changes in their absence (see link above). You will be hearing about others as the years roll on. If you wait for the conventional medical powers that be to learn about them.................

Walt



Two More Ideas for Speculation

Posted by Mary Jackson on June 28, 1998 at 12:03:34:

In Reply to: Re: Diabetes-is there a natural way to cure it? posted by Walt Stoll on June 28, 1998 at 08:35:45:

Hi Walt and Everyone,

I hadn't posted under this topic, because I'm still trying to formulate ideas and sometimes my brain doesn't cooperate at all. I mentioned an overacid condition and diabetes before. It's one of those cases where I don't know which came first, the chicken or egg. They say diabetes causes overacidity, but overacidity could aggravate diabetes. I don't have a real good take on comparing the etiologies of the various types of diabetes (there seem to be many variations) but here are a couple of things to think about.

#1 High-protein diets. I mentioned the pH problem (my daughter has acidic urine and saliva) to Jerry Knox (has a website which I think is lifeknox.com) and he mentioned high protein diets. I don't understand the whole process, but it's something to do with urea and calcium in the urine. Calcium starts being used up and the pH starts going more acidic. I'm not quite sure how candida albicans fits in with a disturbed pH picture, but candida has acid wastes from what I understand. Potassium may start to go out with the mineral picture also. Potassium broths have been used as diabetes therapy. In folk medicine, plants that have alkaloids have been used to treat diabetes. In a book by Kalita a diabetic child was treated with sodium bicarbonate.
There are pH buffering products that contain a lot of different components. Squash, ginger, and other foods are very alkaline. Smoking is the most acidic thing you could do to a body. Alkalizing yourself can help diminish that problem.

#2 A weakened digestion. In order to digest proteins, digest out things like candida, etc. you need to have a pretty good little digestive furnace going. Some spices like turmeric and ginger may help here to warm up the circulation and help digest the protein, fats, etc. Enzymes can help the process. It was very interesting to me to read about some families with juvenile diabetics in our local paper last week. One 5 yr. old child got diabetes after a yeast infection. The child's mother runs an ice cream distribution service (a food which supposedly paralyzes the digestion to some extent due to the coldness). The father of one of the other diabetics is manager of a candy store. The child is praying for a cure for diabetes but not until he goes to diabetic camp! Anyone with fuel for the anti-diabetes "fire" please throw it on, a pretty good blaze needs to get going.
Mary J.


Re: Diabetes-is there a natural way to cure it?

Posted by Nancy on June 29, 1998 at 00:46:47:

In Reply to: Diabetes-is there a natural way to cure it? posted by Rita on June 26, 1998 at 11:17:28:

Rita

The book SUGAR BUSTERS! is an excellent source. Very short and readable and the best explanation of how sugar, processed flour, and potatoes affect insulin that I've ever read. It has 4 authors, 3 physicians from New Orleans and an oil man from Dallas. Restaruants with "Sugar Busters" menus abound in New Orleans and other south La. towns.

Best of luck to you and your mom!

Nancy



Re: Diabetes-is there a natural way to cure it?

Posted by bobby Patten on June 29, 1998 at 23:17:02:

In Reply to: Re: Diabetes-is there a natural way to cure it? posted by Nancy on June 29, 1998 at 00:46:47:

Get your hands on a copy of the study presented at the American Diabetes Association in mid June.
Dr. Barry Sears author of the Zone and Dr. Paul Kahl MD
the majority of patients were off meds in three weeks.
This was after follind an RD's program for 1-year.
Real radical idea lots of veggies and fruit adequate peotein and mono fat.


Sears/Kahl Study

Posted by Mary Jackson on June 30, 1998 at 11:21:26:

In Reply to: Re: Diabetes-is there a natural way to cure it? posted by bobby Patten on June 29, 1998 at 23:17:02:

Thanks Bobby,

Does anyone know of any online information about this study? I will ask the JDF's Ask the Diabetes Team about it just to bug them! They do info. on both type I and type II diabetes. Do you know what was used for protein sources? Mary J.

P.S. A book which people should look at also is The Diabetes Solution by Richard Bernstein. Julian Whitaker also has a book on diabetes.


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