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Great lecture on eating real food vs. following latest science/diet fad!!!

Posted by ukchris [5129.4561] on May 07, 2008 at 22:22:09:

Really great video (link below)! Please watch and comment. It is long but 100% worth it!!

P.S this is nothing to do with vegetarianism! He eats meat.

Review of last book, In Defense of Food: An Eater's Manifesto:

"Food. There's plenty of it around, and we all love to eat it. So why should anyone need to defend it?

Because most of what we're consuming today is not food, and how we're consuming it -- in the car, in front of the TV, and increasingly alone -- is not really eating. Instead of food, we're consuming "edible foodlike substances" -- no longer the products of nature but of food science. Many of them come packaged with health claims that should be our first clue they are anything but healthy. In the so-called Western diet, food has been replaced by nutrients, and common sense by confusion. The result is what Michael Pollan calls the American paradox: The more we worry about nutrition, the less healthy we seem to become.

But if real food -- the sort of food our great grandmothers would recognize as food -- stands in need of defense, from whom does it need defending? From the food industry on one side and nutritional science on the other. Both stand to gain much from widespread confusion about what to eat, a question that for most of human history people have been able to answer without expert help. Yet the professionalization of eating has failed to make Americans healthier. Thirty years of official nutritional advice has only made us sicker and fatter while ruining countless numbers of meals.

Pollan proposes a new (and very old) answer to the question of what we should eat that comes down to seven simple but liberating words: Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants. By urging us to once again eat food, he challenges the prevailing nutrient-by-nutrient approach -- what he calls nutritionism -- and proposes an alternative way of eating that is informed by the traditions and ecology of real, well-grown, unprocessed food. Our personal health, he argues, cannot be divorced from the health of the food chains of which we are part.

In Defense of Food shows us how, despite the daunting dietary landscape Americans confront in the modern supermarket, we can escape the Western diet and, by doing so, most of the chronic diseases that diet causes. We can relearn which foods are healthy, develop simple ways to moderate our appetites, and return eating to its proper context -- out of the car and back to the table. Michael Pollan's bracing and eloquent manifesto shows us how we can start making thoughtful food choices that will enrich our lives, enlarge our sense of what it means to be healthy, and bring pleasure back to eating.

Pollan's last book, The Omnivore's Dilemma, launched a national conversation about the American way of eating; now In Defense of Food shows us how to change it, one meal at a time."



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Re: Great lecture on eating real food vs. following latest science/diet fad!!!

Posted by CAC [4646.4558] on May 07, 2008 at 22:35:43:

In Reply to: Great lecture on eating real food vs. following latest science/diet fad!!! posted by ukchris [5129.4561] on May 07, 2008 at 22:22:09:

Very interesting. Thanks for posting.

I watched a History Channel documentary on sugar and I found it interesting that corn syrup is used as a sugar substitute in alarming proportions here in the States, and that most other countries do not. Would explain a lot about obesity and diabetes, I think.


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Re: Great lecture on eating real food vs. following latest science/diet fad!!!

Posted by dd [11114.4518] on May 07, 2008 at 22:42:00:

In Reply to: Great lecture on eating real food vs. following latest science/diet fad!!! posted by ukchris [5129.4561] on May 07, 2008 at 22:22:09:

Chris,

Excellent post!!! I saw this and it is fabulous. Right up my alley and is
so much about what I have been saying in regards to science not yet
knowing the full truth (which we have yet to discover) about foods,
islotates of all kinds, etc..I like what he says about Science can't be our
guide yet, in regards to a healthy diet, since they don't have the full
picture at this point. Love this vid. Thanks!

dd


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Re: Great lecture on eating real food vs. following latest science/diet fad!!!

Posted by ukchris [5129.4561] on May 07, 2008 at 22:42:21:

In Reply to: Re: Great lecture on eating real food vs. following latest science/diet fad!!! posted by CAC [4646.4558] on May 07, 2008 at 22:35:43:

Thanks CAC. He touches on the causes of of obesity and diabetes, and mentions corn syrup specifically.

Did you see the video? Take an hour whenever you have spare time, you won't regret it. I am going to check his books out.


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Re: Great lecture on eating real food vs. following latest science/diet fad!!!

Posted by ukchris [5129.4561] on May 07, 2008 at 22:52:36:

In Reply to: Re: Great lecture on eating real food vs. following latest science/diet fad!!! posted by dd [11114.4518] on May 07, 2008 at 22:42:00:

Thanks dd. This is good material. Builds on what I've learnt here.


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Re: Great lecture on eating real food vs. following latest science/diet fad!!!

Posted by dd [11114.4518] on May 08, 2008 at 00:12:13:

In Reply to: Re: Great lecture on eating real food vs. following latest science/diet fad!!! posted by ukchris [5129.4561] on May 07, 2008 at 22:52:36:

Yeah, definitely does. Just listening to him brings it all home. It is
really common sense, and how far we have gotten away from it.
And, of course, it brings home for me, the whole issue I have with
isolates, vitamins. Let's see...it took 30 years to see lowfat diets were
killing people, because of various facets of what lowfat diets
introduced into the picture. Hmm...well, maybe within about 5 years
we might be seeing damage that is clearly from isolate vitamins,
especially cheap forms from the pharma companies. I would place a
huge wager on that one.

dd


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Re: Great lecture on eating real food vs. following latest science/diet fad!!!

Posted by Vince F [4572.4274] on May 08, 2008 at 02:29:16:

In Reply to: Great lecture on eating real food vs. following latest science/diet fad!!! posted by ukchris [5129.4561] on May 07, 2008 at 22:22:09:

the mice that entered my house because of the demolition next door would eat Twinkies, or anything else that isn't rancid. They're avoiding the poison I put down, that got stale.

I am always amazed that people Don't have the instincts to eat what they need. Anyone who would eat margarine or artificial sweeteners, were eating junk food, just like the people they criticize, BUT they thought they were eating healthy. To take vitamins Thinking it was good to, when there wasn't a need, because foods were lacking, because the soils are supposed to be depleted, seems a bit funny, Especially if the vitamins didn't change anything. It's a good thing that animals aren't as smart as we are, or they might have become extinct.((

I don't worry about what I eat, and eat what I want to. I only started taking supplements after my injury, when I found out they helped me function, and Not if they didn't, and not that often or long, but I have an excuse, I have memory problems, so if something doesn't Show a result, I will forget to take it, and What if they do something harmful, which they are starting to say. I'm a little concerned about ones I took that didn't do anything, but I took them trying to see if they would.

I was always told, I used too much salt, ate too much red meat, not enough fish or veggies, but that worked for me, and maybe if I didn't eat or take what I did, I would have had problems, not getting what I needed. I Only eat fish when I want to, which isn't often and think it is INSANE to eat a lot, with all the mercury, PCB's, and other chemicals in them. I'll eat them when I want to and Not Trying to be healthy, Even if they say they take the mercury and toxins out of the oils. That sounds wacky, and probably makes the oil worse than before, or lacking what it should have.

I don't like salads, and think they are a waste of time and effort. If I do eat any, it has to be the dark green parts. When I heard that has the most nutrients, I laughed. Do we Really need to be Told what is good? Good thing that horses don't need to be told to eat grass, and avoid meat. I wonder how they knew??)) Instincts??


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Great lecture on eating real food vs. following latest science/diet fad! Archive

Posted by Walt Stoll [93.3349] on May 08, 2008 at 07:08:07:

In Reply to: Great lecture on eating real food vs. following latest science/diet fad!!! posted by ukchris [5129.4561] on May 07, 2008 at 22:22:09:

Thanks, UK,

Sounds like a good refernce.

Walt


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You have to read the book!

Posted by Renee [2161.2842] on May 08, 2008 at 08:26:27:

In Reply to: Great lecture on eating real food vs. following latest science/diet fad!!! posted by ukchris [5129.4561] on May 07, 2008 at 22:22:09:

I had wanted to post this a while back because I read the book "In Defense of Food". It was such an interesting read that I went through it in a day. It is definitely something that people on this board would get something out of, although most people already know a lot of it. It melds perfectly with Dr. Stoll's wisdom. It has helped me get specific about some dietary changes, and it's premise is really so simple.
I hope some of you guys pick it up and read the whole book.

Renee

Renee


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Re: Great lecture on eating real food vs. following latest science/diet fad!!!

Posted by lissa [11732.4525] on May 08, 2008 at 09:03:38:

In Reply to: Re: Great lecture on eating real food vs. following latest science/diet fad!!! posted by Vince F [4572.4274] on May 08, 2008 at 02:29:16:

LOL! Vince.

If mice will eat sugar we should too!


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Posted by lissa [11732.4525] on May 08, 2008 at 09:17:48:

In Reply to: Great lecture on eating real food vs. following latest science/diet fad!!! posted by ukchris [5129.4561] on May 07, 2008 at 22:22:09:

Well after I buy the gas I need I don't have money for real food, what should I do?


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Re: Great lecture on eating real food vs. following latest science/diet fad!!!

Posted by Vince F [4572.4274] on May 08, 2008 at 09:30:30:

In Reply to: Re: Great lecture on eating real food vs. following latest science/diet fad!!! posted by lissa [11732.4525] on May 08, 2008 at 09:03:38:

when I heard about the study that let infants choose what they ate, and at the end of a week they had eaten a balanced diet with no help. I figured, unless people were scared by a carrot or some other food, that we know what we need.

My sister Won't eat fish, and I think it is from being made to take cod liver oil as a kid. Thanks to her, I never had to endure the straight stuff. She made such a fuss about taking the Super Sweet vit A & D pills that are all I was given, that dad wrapped a stick of gum around them, to try to get her to take them. They were SO sweet, and tasting like candy, that I would take the gum off to save it for later, and Chew the pills.

My dad used to buy the 10qt containers of ice cream from the dairy, so we always had ice cream and Both types of cones in the house. I like ice cream, but didn't eat it every day like dad did. I'm more like my grandfather and eat it exclusively when I want it. One summer about 10 yrs ago, I just about lived on Butter Pecan. Maybe I ate it because I liked the tub like containers the brand I like came in, but I have 2-6' stacks of them. I was trying to get the 10qt ones, but it was cheaper when on sale at the food store. I ate little else all summer, and haven't had any since. Maybe I needed the omega 3's in the pecans, but I could have eaten just them, since I like them a lot.

I will eat some foods for short periods, and then won't touch them for ages. Spinach and brussles sprouts are 2 that come to mind. There must be a need when I eat them. I am not crazy about them, but don't dislike them, but when I want them, I Want them, and other times I can do without.


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Re: Great lecture on eating real food vs. following latest science/diet fad!!!

Posted by lissa [11732.4525] on May 08, 2008 at 09:39:48:

In Reply to: Re: Great lecture on eating real food vs. following latest science/diet fad!!! posted by Vince F [4572.4274] on May 08, 2008 at 09:30:30:

I think our bodies will tell us what we need, and what's good for us, but I don't think they will always tell us what is poison or bad for us.

I think babies like to put things in their mouth and they'll put a toxin in their mouth just as soon as they'd put something good in their mouth.

I think grain-fed animals like sugar. It doesn't mean it's good for them.

I don't worry too much about what I eat, I eat fairly well, but people can have a poor diet for a number of reasons.

1. habit
2. economics.


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Posted by lissa [11732.4525] on May 08, 2008 at 10:11:13:

In Reply to: Great lecture on eating real food vs. following latest science/diet fad!!! posted by ukchris [5129.4561] on May 07, 2008 at 22:22:09:

I think any educated person already knows this stuff, but it all boils down to choices, even though there are some who don't have a lot of choices because the government is stealing their money left and right.


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Re: Great lecture on eating real food vs. following latest science/diet fad! Arc

Posted by ukchris [5129.4561] on May 08, 2008 at 10:17:27:

In Reply to: Great lecture on eating real food vs. following latest science/diet fad! Archive posted by Walt Stoll [93.3349] on May 08, 2008 at 07:08:07:

You're welcome Walt. Take some time out and watch it if you can. It's really enjoyable, he has a great style and sense of humour.


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Re: You have to read the book!

Posted by ukchris [5129.4561] on May 08, 2008 at 10:22:57:

In Reply to: You have to read the book! posted by Renee [2161.2842] on May 08, 2008 at 08:26:27:

Thanks Renee. I can imagine his books being very readable because he has such an engaging style. Great teacher!

Will be buying the book for sure. Does he have any specific guidance on taking supplements? He is against isolating vitamins and minerals from food, so I assume he is an opponent. This is something dd has convinced me about, although I always had concerns. I believe only real food can offer the correct balance and synthesis of nutrients, to which we are so finely atuned.


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Re: Great lecture on eating real food vs. following latest science/diet fad!!!

Posted by ukchris [5129.4561] on May 08, 2008 at 10:30:46:

In Reply to: Re: Great lecture on eating real food vs. following latest science/diet fad!!! posted by dd [11114.4518] on May 08, 2008 at 00:12:13:

Yes, I think that seems quite possible! Sure, conventionally grown food offers less nutrition than our ancestors enjoyed in the past. However, we are fortunate today, food is comparatively (still) extremely cheap and we have such a varied range of options from all over the world (although sourcing locally is of course more eco-friendly and sensible!) Also, organic food is now much more widely available. So, I guess we have to make some decisions about what we want from life, and whether we trust what nature offers to provide it.


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Re: Great lecture on eating real food vs. following latest science/diet fad!!!

Posted by ukchris [5129.4561] on May 08, 2008 at 10:38:12:

In Reply to: Re: Great lecture on eating real food vs. following latest science/diet fad!!! posted by Vince F [4572.4274] on May 08, 2008 at 02:29:16:

Vince, you are quite the rebel. It is clear in my other post about being a psychopath, the vast majority of people have a herd-like mentality. They are totally incapable of critical thinking and avoid taking responsibility for their actions. They are easily convinced by somebody assuming a position of authority, and tend towards convention - whatever anybody else is doing. It is a very small minority of people who defy this insanity. I have only met a few on this forum, but I'd definitely include you in that category. I form good friendships with people like this, you know who you are! ;-)


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Posted by lissa [11732.4525] on May 08, 2008 at 10:39:41:

In Reply to: Re: Great lecture on eating real food vs. following latest science/diet fad!!! posted by ukchris [5129.4561] on May 08, 2008 at 10:38:12:

They are easily convinced by somebody assuming a position of authority

That sounds just like YOU to me.


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Re: Great lecture on eating real food vs. following latest science/diet fad!!!

Posted by lissa [11732.4525] on May 08, 2008 at 10:42:51:

In Reply to: Re: Great lecture on eating real food vs. following latest science/diet fad!!! posted by lissa [11732.4525] on May 08, 2008 at 10:39:41:

That commercial you showed me yesterday defied common sense.

You know full well socialized medicine isn't free.


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Re: You have to read the book!

Posted by dd [11114.4518] on May 08, 2008 at 12:03:58:

In Reply to: Re: You have to read the book! posted by ukchris [5129.4561] on May 08, 2008 at 10:22:57:

Just a note...I just got back from the dentist today, and they were
checking this problem spot. Since I have stopped taking vitamins,
my gum tissues are healthier. How do you like that? So, food and
cod liver oil does the trick. This is after taking vitamins, coQ10,
vitamin c, calcium/mag, and on and on......only after stopping ALL of
that, except for cl oil, only then do my tissues really heal up.
Amazing. Further proof to me that supps might be harming us and
causing problems we might not understand.

I think I will buy this guys books as well.


dd


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Re: Great lecture on eating real food vs. following latest science/diet fad!!!

Posted by dd [11114.4518] on May 08, 2008 at 12:20:44:

In Reply to: Re: Great lecture on eating real food vs. following latest science/diet fad!!! posted by ukchris [5129.4561] on May 08, 2008 at 10:38:12:

"It is a very small minority of people who defy this insanity."

Amen to that!! Can you just imagine if it were just the opposite?
Where the majority was capable? What a different world we would live
in. Makes you really wonder about whether it is a flaw in the design,
or just a bunch of cowards that live in fear. Or is it laziness in
looking at oneself..selfishness? Or, are people really just psycho? The
latter makes the most sense!! Sums it up nicely. LOL!

dd


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Posted by Vince F [4572.4274] on May 08, 2008 at 12:21:47:

In Reply to: Re: Great lecture on eating real food vs. following latest science/diet fad!!! posted by lissa [11732.4525] on May 08, 2008 at 09:39:48:

I wonder if a food made an infant sick, would they know to avoid it the next time, or if that has to be learned, like touching something hot?

I like and eat sweets, and when I want them food would make me feel ill, just like sweets will if I want food. Just the thought of the wrong one makes me start to feel ill, probably thinking about how it will make me feel.

I findd the way I react to water is interesting. Can't Stand the stuff unless it is hot and humid and I'm working in the sun. I can tell before hand, and make sure I have water to drink, like having the right tools and materials I will need. Any drink with sugar in it would just stick in my mouth. Must be the amount of saliva I have at the time, just before, that tells me what I will need.

Talking about saliva. Recently someone mentioned that Some say, we shouldn't drink any liquids when eating. That's OK if the food has enough moisture. If dry, I think we would gag.


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Re: Great lecture on eating real food vs. following latest science/diet fad!!!

Posted by lissa [11732.4525] on May 08, 2008 at 12:22:34:

In Reply to: Re: Great lecture on eating real food vs. following latest science/diet fad!!! posted by dd [11114.4518] on May 08, 2008 at 12:20:44:

Yeah. I would put chris in that category, he believes a lot of things that are mere speculation, so do you.

But he's not quite as cocky as you are.


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Re: Great lecture on eating real food vs. following latest science/diet fad!!!

Posted by dd [11114.4518] on May 08, 2008 at 12:24:04:

In Reply to: Re: Great lecture on eating real food vs. following latest science/diet fad!!! posted by ukchris [5129.4561] on May 08, 2008 at 10:30:46:

Absolutely. And, as well, like he said in the vid, there are young
people returning to farming. I know a lot of folks that grow their own
food now. I would like to do the same. Shoot, if Richard Heinberg can
grow his own food and set up his home as he did, and still have a
major career and tour etc...then no one has any excuse!! It is just a
different approach to life and what you do with your time.
I'm still on the hunt for that property!!

dd


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Re: You have to read the book!

Posted by Renee [2161.2842] on May 08, 2008 at 12:28:11:

In Reply to: Re: You have to read the book! posted by ukchris [5129.4561] on May 08, 2008 at 10:22:57:

Hi,

I can't remember him saying anything about supplements at all. He does go into GREAT detail about Omega 3's, which really taught me a lot. I thought they naturally occured only in fish!! He said he doesn't think there is any "magic bullet" to health, but if he was going to pick one thing that was the most important for so many reasons, it would be Omega 3's. He explains why we don't get enough in our food supply, and why most people each too much of the wrong fats.

Enjoy!

Renee


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Re: Great lecture on eating real food vs. following latest science/diet fad!!!

Posted by lissa [11732.4525] on May 08, 2008 at 12:37:06:

In Reply to: Re: Great lecture on eating real food vs. following latest science/diet fad!!! posted by Vince F [4572.4274] on May 08, 2008 at 12:21:47:

I don't like sweets too much, but obviously people and animals will eat things just because they taste good, sugar and twinkies don't have a lot of nutitional value, but they are made of things that would have value if they weren't processed.

I'm not sure sugar cane is good even before the processing but horses like it. I don't think a piece of sugar would affect a horse the same way it would a mouse. they are a lot bigger. I don't think a piece of sugar would kill me, but a LOT of it wouldn't be the best thing to do.

I think assuming someone isn't capable of critical thinking because they have an opinion that doesn't mesh with the "consensus" is a little arrogant.


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Re: You have to read the book!

Posted by ukchris [5129.4561] on May 08, 2008 at 12:43:24:

In Reply to: Re: You have to read the book! posted by dd [11114.4518] on May 08, 2008 at 12:03:58:

Yes, and you have mentioned that you actually feel a lot better too.

Save the money, put it towards real, unadulterated food. This is the 100% Whole Food Diet, no exceptions.

I think isolating vitamins and calling it nutrition, is a bit like extracting a piece af a car engine, and expecting it to offer transportation!


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Re: You have to read the book!

Posted by dd [11114.4518] on May 08, 2008 at 12:53:25:

In Reply to: Re: You have to read the book! posted by ukchris [5129.4561] on May 08, 2008 at 12:43:24:

lol..... Obviously there has been some benefit from taking vitamins.
They have saved peoples lives when having a huge deficit, so I would
take them if I had a problem and needed that jump start, but taking
them as "precautionary" measures so they are in your system all the
time instead of eating enough good foods? I think that is a
problem. And, if people were like me at all, which I am sure they are,
they would not always cook and rely on the vitamins to get them
through a busy schedule. But, you know what, now that i have the
routine down, it isn't bad at all. It just takes more prep ahead of
time. I was eating a whole foods diet the whole time, AND vitamins.
But, I definitely KNOW that there is a much bigger benefit from the
food alone.





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Posted by Vince F [4572.4274] on May 08, 2008 at 12:55:03:

In Reply to: Re: Great lecture on eating real food vs. following latest science/diet fad!!! posted by ukchris [5129.4561] on May 08, 2008 at 10:38:12:

my dad was a health nut, and did everything they said to. My mom did a lot, but not as much. I remember seeing half a banana out, after they said to eat them for the potassium. I never asked why my mom only ate half. I used to like and eat them, but not after they started making me feel bloated, unless baked in a pie. Maybe it was me, or maybe the banannas. One day my mom asked if I ate any, and I told her they bloated me. One time in a food store, over the PA system, a voice said, potatoes have 2X the potassium. I laughed, because I Love potatoes. Also with my excessive and probably need for salt, and potassium and sodium are said to be needed in balance, and the kidneys are said to regulate both, I doubt I was lacking potassium, even when I was using enough salt for 20 people just to function in the heat, Right when the warnings about salt started. I asked my Dr, and he just said to use it. My Need was SO Extreme, to just remember where I was, and taking it, I could work harder than ever, with sweat pouring off me. I needed to find out Why I needed so much, and looks like my kidneys weren't doing what they should, probably damaged from chemicals I was exposed to.

My dad listened to the warnings, and told me I was Nuts to use any, though he looked like I felt when I didn't take a lot. 3 mo later had a massive heart attack, and a Lack of salt could have caused it.That's when in CCU he told me, all the Right things he did were Wrong. I think, all the Wrong things he did for Himself were Wrong, and only He really knew.

Not long before dad had his heart attack, he had gone to a store in the next state 10mi away, by himself. They were testing BP there, and he was told his was 220/110. They asked if he was driving, and being a suburban area, he had to have been unless with someone. He didn't like driving on highways at high speeds, so That had to stress him, and maybe someone cut him out or something, or Maybe the tech read it Wrong. He went straight to a Dr on his way home, who put him on BP meds. I Asked what reading the Dr got, and he said he Didn't ask. I would have wanted to know with a 220/110 reading that got me there. He said it Must have been high, since the Dr put him on meds. All I have read about BP meds, I'd be afraid to take them. One Dr on line says he doesn't give them till BP is above 180/110, which is called Lethal Hypertension. He sayd there are too many bad side effects to do anything different. I think it is funny to test BP when a person is Completely relaxed. How often during a day is a person That relaxed? Just moving can make it spike up, being around people, and many other things. A friend on meds tells me, you shouldn't even have your legs crossed when testing, or sit slouched. Yikes!!

Now they are saying, No Matter what a Salt Sensitive person does, they are More Likely to have Heart Problems, even if they Don't use a lot of salt.


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Posted by ukchris [5129.4561] on May 08, 2008 at 13:23:07:

In Reply to: Re: Great lecture on eating real food vs. following latest science/diet fad!!! posted by dd [11114.4518] on May 08, 2008 at 12:20:44:

Possibly all of the above. A mixture of greed and fear. Greed for what someone else has and fear of anyone obtaining what we already have. There is a lot of bitterness too. We are generally unhappy, society is constantly telling us that we are failures; people are transfixed to televisions parading superstars with immense riches, beauty and talent; advertisements are hypnotising us into believing that we aren't smart enough, beautiful enough, cool enough, trendy enough, rich enough etc. We need someone to blame for all of this pent-up frustration - a politician (or political opponent), a convenient enemy - an immigrant or other minority group. Frustration can turn easily to anger. It doesn't take much for a President to come along and declare that occupants of a Middle Eastern country are an enemy (the axis of evil), for it to be so, and to celebrate their deaths because as each one falls, we're all a little safer. We take care to ignore the coincidence of oil in these countries, and ignore the glaringly obvious corruptions and indefensible - yet strategically understandable, meddling of administrations both past and present.

Two of the greatest possessions and achievements of civilisation are liberty and privacy. We are willing to forego both, because we've been sold the idea that we're all in immediate danger.

Some people could be defined "psycho", in terms of their tolerance of abuse, and hatred and bitterness towards others. There is a lot of laziness around too. It really doesn't take much integrity and effort to achieve an educated and rational viewpoint on the major issues facing us today. But it is far easier to be spoon-fed by the corporate-owned Mainstream Media. I don't fear terrorism, I fear tyranny.


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Re: You have to read the book!

Posted by ukchris [5129.4561] on May 08, 2008 at 13:58:51:

In Reply to: Re: You have to read the book! posted by dd [11114.4518] on May 08, 2008 at 12:53:25:

"Obviously there has been some benefit from taking vitamins. They have saved peoples lives when having a huge deficit, so I would take them if I had a problem and needed that jump start, but taking them as "precautionary" measures so they are in your system all the time instead of eating enough good foods?"

I agree. To continue the car part analogy, if your engine has a broken/missing component, makes sense to try to fix it/replace it. If not, then just keep it oiled and feed it with the right fuel. We don't understand the human body well enough to be meddling beyond that.


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Re: You have to read the book!

Posted by dd [11114.4518] on May 08, 2008 at 14:18:54:

In Reply to: Re: You have to read the book! posted by ukchris [5129.4561] on May 08, 2008 at 13:58:51:

Yeah, you would think that after many blunders, like killing hundreds
of thousands of people with lowfat diets, that "they" might pause
before spouting the next cutting edge miracle that doesn't take into
consideration that we are fooling around with people's health
everytime we get on a new kick, allowing ourselves to become ever
more "orthorexic". At least the phase is going back towards food and
less pills. Thank goodness..some sanity.

dd


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Re: You have to read the book!

Posted by Vince F [4572.4274] on May 08, 2008 at 14:23:36:

In Reply to: Re: You have to read the book! posted by dd [11114.4518] on May 08, 2008 at 12:53:25:

I think there is a Lot they don't know about how the body works. Walt didn't know that we could store a bunch of B-12, and I recently learned that the body can recycle it.

I wonder if we can store other things that they don't know about yet, and maybe components that can be assembled when needed. I think I must store things that are in things I eat rarely, but a lot of when I do, and that might cause the rare craving, when stores get low.

I'm gona keep listening to my body. It's So enjoyable eating what I crave, and taking something that shows a benefit, and not worrying about what I don't know, unless it causes a problem.



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Re: You have to read the book!

Posted by dd [11114.4518] on May 08, 2008 at 16:00:50:

In Reply to: Re: You have to read the book! posted by Vince F [4572.4274] on May 08, 2008 at 14:23:36:

Hey Vince,

Where did you learn about the body recycling b-12? I haven't seen
that before.

"I'm gona keep listening to my body. It's So enjoyable eating what I
crave, and taking something that shows a benefit, and not worrying
about what I don't know, unless it causes a problem."

The guy in the vid talks about that. That we have lost our enjoyment
of eating. We are becoming "orthorexics." Great term. And like you
are saying, he thinks it is very important to get back to that type of
existance, and that science is not reliable enough yet in regards to
studies on food and nutrients to allow them to guide us. You have
the right idea, Vince!!

dd





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Re: Great lecture on eating real food vs. following latest science/diet fad!!!

Posted by dd [11114.4518] on May 08, 2008 at 16:09:22:

In Reply to: Re: Great lecture on eating real food vs. following latest science/diet fad!!! posted by ukchris [5129.4561] on May 08, 2008 at 13:23:07:

Good post, Chris. I have to wonder though, why? I mean, why are the
majority of folks geared this way? Of course, lol, that gets back to
creation and/or evolution, which we best keep for the ot bb I
suppose.

What a sad statement that people have not evolved enough to own
their ownselves, regardless. God...lol...how many centuries should it
take?? It surely pisses me off a great deal of the time. I saw so
much of this junk when i got in the car accident, with my insurance
company. And the people that work there, having the capapbility to
screw people over, without shame. No conscience, period. Stepford
people. And I would ask them, "how can you do this job, lie
constantly knowing that people are getting screwed, and live with
yourself?" Answer? "I am just doing what I am told to do. I am just
doing my job." I won't go into what i felt like doing to them. Two
years of that crap. OMG> It was enough to cause insanity.
But, it opened my eyes to the truth. People are sheepies. Most of
them. And they don't do the right thing on their own.

dd


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Re: Great lecture on eating real food vs. following latest science/diet fad!!!

Posted by lissa [11732.4525] on May 08, 2008 at 16:12:36:

In Reply to: Re: Great lecture on eating real food vs. following latest science/diet fad!!! posted by ukchris [5129.4561] on May 08, 2008 at 13:23:07:

We are generally unhappy, society is constantly telling us that we are failures; people are transfixed to televisions parading superstars with immense riches, beauty and talent; advertisements are hypnotising us into believing that we aren't smart enough, beautiful enough, cool enough, trendy enough, rich enough etc. We need someone to blame for all of this pent-up frustration - a politician (or political opponent), a convenient enemy - an immigrant or other minority group. Frustration can turn easily to anger.

Only foolish people have self-esteem low enough to give a rat's behind what society says about how we should be.


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Re: You have to read the book!

Posted by Sally [6687.4426] on May 08, 2008 at 18:52:46:

In Reply to: Re: You have to read the book! posted by Vince F [4572.4274] on May 08, 2008 at 14:23:36:

I think Dr. Oz talked about the stomach having it's own blood supply and getting needed nutrients for its own use.


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