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FDA Approves Meat & Milk from Most Cloned Animals

Posted by Matt [1690.3780] on January 15, 2008 at 12:47:15:


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Re: FDA Approves Meat & Milk from Most Cloned Animals

Posted by lissa [708.8] on January 15, 2008 at 12:51:07:

In Reply to: FDA Approves Meat & Milk from Most Cloned Animals posted by Matt [1690.3780] on January 15, 2008 at 12:47:15:

Thanks Matt.

Cloning can be very profitable for breeders. I don't particularly think it's harmful, manipulation of genes can be a risky business, but cloning I don't think is a big deal.

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Re: FDA Approves Meat & Milk from Most Cloned Animals

Posted by Ron [5412.1575] on January 15, 2008 at 13:10:29:

In Reply to: FDA Approves Meat & Milk from Most Cloned Animals posted by Matt [1690.3780] on January 15, 2008 at 12:47:15:

Hi Matt,

From your article:

"It is highly unlikely actual clones will be used in food production. A cloned cow costs $15,000 to $20,000 to create. More likely, experts said, the offspring of cloned animals will be used. Experts also say it will be three to five years before consumers see milk and meat from their offspring."
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Would that not depend on whether cloned animals are able to reproduce and maintain their "new genetic
qualities"?

It would be nice if Cloned Cow's milk could be genetically different enough that Lactose Intolerance could be a thing of the past...



Re: FDA Approves Meat & Milk from Most Cloned Animals

Posted by lissa [708.8] on January 15, 2008 at 13:50:12:

In Reply to: Re: FDA Approves Meat & Milk from Most Cloned Animals posted by Ron [5412.1575] on January 15, 2008 at 13:10:29:

Would that not depend on whether cloned animals are able to reproduce and maintain their "new genetic
qualities"?

No Ron, they'll lower the standards for the cloned offspring.

duh. what kind of silly question is that?



Re: FDA Approves Meat & Milk from Most Cloned Animals

Posted by ukchris [10820.4385] on January 15, 2008 at 13:54:40:

In Reply to: FDA Approves Meat & Milk from Most Cloned Animals posted by Matt [1690.3780] on January 15, 2008 at 12:47:15:

All of this makes me feel uneasy. It is all to do with maximising profits and lowering costs, whatever the potential risks involved. The consumer loses once again.




Re: FDA Approves Meat & Milk from Most Cloned Animals

Posted by lissa [708.8] on January 15, 2008 at 14:16:26:

In Reply to: Re: FDA Approves Meat & Milk from Most Cloned Animals posted by ukchris [10820.4385] on January 15, 2008 at 13:54:40:

True. Unless the "consumer" is a farmer, then they may lose or win, depends.

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Re: FDA Approves Meat & Milk from Most Cloned Animals

Posted by lissa [708.8] on January 15, 2008 at 16:37:37:

In Reply to: Re: FDA Approves Meat & Milk from Most Cloned Animals posted by Ron [5412.1575] on January 15, 2008 at 13:10:29:

If you breed a black angus to a black angus you will probably turn up with a black angus.

They aren't going to breed them to poor quality cows you know.


But whether the calf passes all the criteria you just have to wait 'til they are butchered to find out. But surely you can guess based on their prior history.



Re: FDA Approves Meat & Milk from Most Cloned Animals

Posted by Ron [5412.1575] on January 15, 2008 at 22:23:00:

In Reply to: Re: FDA Approves Meat & Milk from Most Cloned Animals posted by lissa [708.8] on January 15, 2008 at 16:37:37:

Hi Lissa,

Hopefully they don't develop something that has a susceptibilty to a weird disease that wipes out the herd sometime in the future, or develops human diseases that can infect outside their species.


What do you get when you cross a cloned cow with a Mexican Bull?

.......... Something that has no trouble getting across the border.



Re: FDA Approves Meat & Milk from Most Cloned Animals

Posted by Ron [5412.1575] on January 15, 2008 at 22:25:06:

In Reply to: Re: FDA Approves Meat & Milk from Most Cloned Animals posted by lissa [708.8] on January 15, 2008 at 13:50:12:

Hi Lissa,

It would not surpise me if they lowered standards...
Look what happens when too few students pass a State Test



Re: FDA Approves Meat & Milk from Most Cloned Animals

Posted by Ron [5412.1575] on January 15, 2008 at 22:27:24:

In Reply to: FDA Approves Meat & Milk from Most Cloned Animals posted by Matt [1690.3780] on January 15, 2008 at 12:47:15:

Hi Matt,

As long as it is advertised on the package, so we can vote with our wallet.. I will say lets give it a try.



Re: FDA Approves Meat & Milk from Most Cloned Animals

Posted by lissa [708.8] on January 15, 2008 at 23:12:45:

In Reply to: Re: FDA Approves Meat & Milk from Most Cloned Animals posted by Ron [5412.1575] on January 15, 2008 at 22:23:00:

Hopefully they don't develop something that has a susceptibilty to a weird disease that wipes out the herd sometime in the future, or develops human diseases that can infect outside their species

Not likely to happen with cloning, it's no different than regular breeding except with a duplicate of an animal that is probably already breeding.




Re: FDA Approves Meat & Milk from Most Cloned Animals

Posted by Ron [5412.1575] on January 15, 2008 at 23:17:30:

In Reply to: Re: FDA Approves Meat & Milk from Most Cloned Animals posted by lissa [708.8] on January 15, 2008 at 23:12:45:

Hi Lissa,

Maybe they could breed cattle that do not carry any infectious E-Coli so that the manure can safely be used to feed other animals such as chickens..

If they were crossed with Camel genes they might only need water once a week.. ;-)

My mouth is watering already!



Re: FDA Approves Meat & Milk from Most Cloned Animals

Posted by lissa [708.8] on January 15, 2008 at 23:24:18:

In Reply to: Re: FDA Approves Meat & Milk from Most Cloned Animals posted by Ron [5412.1575] on January 15, 2008 at 23:17:30:

Maybe they could, but the goal of cloning is to breed GOOD MEAT.

If they start messing around with their gene structure to make them resistant to E. Coli, or need less water, then I'll worry.



Re: FDA Approves Meat & Milk from Most Cloned Animals

Posted by lissa [708.8] on January 15, 2008 at 23:44:03:

In Reply to: Re: FDA Approves Meat & Milk from Most Cloned Animals posted by Ron [5412.1575] on January 15, 2008 at 22:25:06:

They don't lower standards when too few students pass tests...they just lie and cheat.



Re: FDA Approves Meat & Milk from Most Cloned Animals

Posted by Ron [5412.1575] on January 16, 2008 at 00:39:28:

In Reply to: Re: FDA Approves Meat & Milk from Most Cloned Animals posted by lissa [708.8] on January 15, 2008 at 23:24:18:

Hi Lissa,

What if one of the "improvements" was done so that cattle would no longer need to be fed hormones?
Would that be a death-dealing blow to those Organic Farmers?

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Re: FDA Approves Meat & Milk from Most Cloned Animals

Posted by Ron [5412.1575] on January 16, 2008 at 00:40:08:

In Reply to: Re: FDA Approves Meat & Milk from Most Cloned Animals posted by lissa [708.8] on January 15, 2008 at 23:44:03:

Hi Lissa,

Not the case in NY State

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Re: FDA Approves Meat & Milk from Most Cloned Animals

Posted by Ron [5412.1575] on January 16, 2008 at 00:43:15:

In Reply to: Re: FDA Approves Meat & Milk from Most Cloned Animals posted by lissa [708.8] on January 15, 2008 at 23:44:03:

Hi Lissa,

Not the case in NY State two years ago.

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FDA Approves Meat & Milk from Most Cloned Animals Archive.

Posted by Walt Stoll [93.1903] on January 16, 2008 at 09:01:09:

In Reply to: FDA Approves Meat & Milk from Most Cloned Animals posted by Matt [1690.3780] on January 15, 2008 at 12:47:15:

Thanks, Matt.

In MY opinion, this stuff is safe. However, the lobbyists ALWAYS get the congress (and thereby the FDA) to OK stuff long before it is SURELY safe. It will take at least 30 years before we know. WHAT IS THE RUSH!??????????????????..OF COURSE IT IS MONEY! What company could make money if they had to wait 30 years to cash in? SO, they experiement on the public where they can get literally millions of unwitting volunteers, free.

When something is finally proven to be dangerous, the companies hide the proof until years have slipped by and then the PTB give them a slap on the wrist for (making billions more money) hiding the information. This has been going on for many years! In the meantime, so long as this system is continued (the FDA officials appointed by the elected government)-- foxes appointed to guard the henhouse -- this travesty will continue.

The only solution I know is to stop eating those things known to be "frankensteined" and raise your own produce.

Anything that the government refuses to allow to be labled has to be suspicious!

Walt



Re: FDA Approves Meat & Milk from Most Cloned Animals Archive.

Posted by ukchris [10820.4385] on January 16, 2008 at 09:22:23:

In Reply to: FDA Approves Meat & Milk from Most Cloned Animals Archive. posted by Walt Stoll [93.1903] on January 16, 2008 at 09:01:09:

Hi Walt,

Would even 30 years be enough? Granted I'm not up on cloning and genetic engineering, but what if using this science results in unforeseen consequences in terms of 3rd, 4th, 5th generations and further? Maybe we don't know everything!? I worry that we've gone too far with GM now, so that any problems are irreversible. The risk, however small, of endangering life itself, outweighs any economic benefits.



Re: FDA Approves Meat & Milk from Most Cloned Animals Archive.

Posted by Walt Stoll [93.1903] on January 17, 2008 at 07:28:42:

In Reply to: Re: FDA Approves Meat & Milk from Most Cloned Animals Archive. posted by ukchris [10820.4385] on January 16, 2008 at 09:22:23:

Thanks, UK.

It is gratifying to hear from someone who sees the possible long term problems. Too bad the heavily lobbied government does its best to keep this understanding from the public.

Walt

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Re: FDA Approves Meat & Milk from Most Cloned Animals Archive.

Posted by Matt [1690.3780] on January 17, 2008 at 08:55:14:

In Reply to: FDA Approves Meat & Milk from Most Cloned Animals Archive. posted by Walt Stoll [93.1903] on January 16, 2008 at 09:01:09:

Hopefully companies will emerge that not only offer organic milk and other products, but products that are labeled "clone-free", or something to that extent. I would definitely buy such products.

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Re: FDA Approves Meat & Milk from Most Cloned Animals

Posted by Matt [1690.3780] on January 17, 2008 at 08:57:19:

In Reply to: Re: FDA Approves Meat & Milk from Most Cloned Animals posted by Ron [5412.1575] on January 15, 2008 at 22:27:24:

I just wonder if, with the economy the way it is, enough people will have the financial security to be able to have a choice between this cloned stuff and the "pure" stuff.

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Re: FDA Approves Meat & Milk from Most Cloned Animals Archive.

Posted by lissa [1263.8] on January 18, 2008 at 13:15:39:

In Reply to: Re: FDA Approves Meat & Milk from Most Cloned Animals Archive. posted by ukchris [10820.4385] on January 16, 2008 at 09:22:23:

Well, I am totally unimpressed with any government agency, be it the USDA or the FDA.

But Capatilism is good Communism is bad.

Or Communism is good Capitalism is bad.

So what is Communism/Capitalism all rolled up into one?

U.S.A. I think.

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