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From pre-text to pro-text

Posted by Jim H. [11741.5140] on September 23, 2008 at 12:06:28:

I'm still learning, Walt, and I think that's one of the things you pride
yourself on, right? It is a good thing to keep oneself open to acquire
new knowledge. And I don't mean just innovations or facts, but also
being open to new ways of being, new attitudes, even new paradigms
(as they say in Gnuage-Speak). Our outlook tends to ossify as we
age, and our hard earned wisdom becomes a little prideful maybe,
and perhaps even seems complete.

From the lofty perspective of age, the foibles of youth are plain to
see, and advice all too easy to give, though hardly ever wanted. No
generation arrives educated of life's experiences, but instead needs,
even demands, to live and learn, which I find I am still doing.

For instance, it is so easy to judge the young and their newfangled
gadgets from the perspective of the good old days when we didn't
need "all that stuff". Cell phones are a perfect example. I was the
last person I knew to get an answer phone, and I held that distinction
with cell phones too. When I finally succumbed, I told myself it was
only because it is so dangerous to be in the desert where getting lost
or disabled could be fatal. The functions that accompanied the basic
conversation feature on a cell phone never interested me, and if I am
completely honest, which I tend to be when it suits my pride, I will
admit that I couldn't figure out or remember how to navigate the
buttons to do anything beyond make a call or answer the darned
thing anyway. Lack of motivation.

So it came to be that I began to notice all the youngsters hunched
over their cell phones, thumbing away on their devices in malls and
restaurants everywhere. I looked over at one of my nieces during a a
very dramatic point in a movie theater recently, to find her texting
away in the slight glow of her phone. We hear stories about kids
texting in class, maybe even communicating test answers, an
advantage we never had. If texting is more important to them than a
movie in a dark theater, imagine what our young are absorbing in
the classroom! What sort of brain power and personal
communication skills are the younger generations developing, I
wondered.

You have to understand how backwards I am, Walt. I was shocked
back in the 80's, to discover there were no more cassette tapes in the
music stores; and what the heck were all these tiny records they
called CD's?! With that confessed, I can go on with what I have to tell
you.

With all our new communication devices, I have not been able to
overcome the age old problem of, "Why don't the kids ever call?" My
beautiful daughter, who has made it her mission to be sure my
grandson knows who I am, is still not as accessible as I would like.
Her phone is most often on answer machine mode, and she is very
busy during the day (and evening)...or at least not answering. Does
she screen my calls? I don't know.  However, she will answer a text
message.  I swore I'd never text, but guess what, if you want to
communicate with someone from a previous generation, this is the
way to make sure your message gets through, and you will probably
get an answer sooner than a callback.  The wisdom here is
something about being in Rome...

So I did the unthinkable, I got an iPhone, a frivolous non-essential
which I would never own if it were not that Sharon sort of badgering
me into it with reasoning that was not so reasonable, but she wore
me down. Turns out this phone is the best toy I've ever had, and
easy enough for a techno-moron like me. The camera in it is better
than the first few generations of digital cameras I bought (and also
good from the family glue point of view...instant images to relatives).
Besides phone, camera, wireless emailer and Internet browser, it is a
PDA, and data/info resource, an iPod (and iTune downloader and
Podcast player), a GPS system, a gateway to YouTube, and if I want,
which I don't...a game player. I'm not promoting or bragging here. I
get no toaster. But I do get access to my daughter and eventually my
grandson. I can see him texting Grandpa one day, except texting will
be way old fashioned by then.

So I changed my attitude, Walt. This phone is a marvelous invention,
and it will continue to be useful as I age.  I will wander around with
it in my pocket, and if I ever forget who I am or where I am, I can just
pull it out...or eventually stumble upon it when I give up and shove
my hands in my pockets.  Then all I have to do is randomly touch
icons until I find my address (from the contacts page), enter it into
the GPS, and I can find my way home.  Sometimes I worry, though,
that Sharon might disable my GPS function on purpose. (insert grin
here)




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Re: From pre-text to pro-text

Posted by Jan DeCourtney, CMT (Happygal) [716.4789] on September 23, 2008 at 12:24:05:

In Reply to: From pre-text to pro-text posted by Jim H. [11741.5140] on September 23, 2008 at 12:06:28:

Hi Jim,

You are ahead of me. I do have a digital camera now, but no fancy phone gizmos -- yet. ;o)

Best wishes,
Jan


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Re: From pre-text to pro-text

Posted by Ron [3468.2287] on September 23, 2008 at 14:14:35:

In Reply to: Re: From pre-text to pro-text posted by Jan DeCourtney, CMT (Happygal) [716.4789] on September 23, 2008 at 12:24:05:

Hi Jan,

We do have a few things in common!!
I stll have my Audio cassette recorder and
have found lots of older music on cassette at stores like Goodwill, Value Village, and Salvation Army..
Don't laugh... those stores are the last of the
places where you can still buy good cheap items that
are MADE IN THE USA...
Unfortunately, the people who made them are either
retired, unemployed or Dead...

One day, sooner or later all my stuff will likely end up back at those stores for collectors to enjoy...
maybe in the distant future a Museum Curator will decide to excavate those store locations for new/old exhibits...

Why is it that all MY old stuff is junk until it is
on the shelf of some shop, where it is miraculously transformed into an antique that I can not afford?

I sure wish that my Mother did not throw out all my 50s
and 60s comic books after I moved out...
Thankfully, I kept my Playboys for the controversial articles they contained!....
Hmmmmmm?...
Now, where did I put my glasses?


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Re: From pre-text to pro-text

Posted by Okay [11797.4426] on September 23, 2008 at 17:00:18:

In Reply to: From pre-text to pro-text posted by Jim H. [11741.5140] on September 23, 2008 at 12:06:28:

On your recommendation, I'm getting an Iphone. I don't have an Ipod but I like YouTube and my Go-phone has accumulated too many useless minutes.


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Re: From pre-text to pro-text

Posted by Jim H. [11741.5140] on September 24, 2008 at 07:30:54:

In Reply to: Re: From pre-text to pro-text posted by Okay [11797.4426] on September 23, 2008 at 17:00:18:

Remember, I put a disclaimer in my post, and what you call a
recommendation wasn't even a suggestion by me that anybody
should buy one. I'm even circumspect about giving movies a good
review. My opinions are sometimes considered to be way out in left
field watching dandelions grow.

Still, even after all this backpedaling, I can say I hope you enjoy it.





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Re: From pre-text to pro-text

Posted by Walt Stoll [93.4968] on September 24, 2008 at 08:03:12:

In Reply to: From pre-text to pro-text posted by Jim H. [11741.5140] on September 23, 2008 at 12:06:28:

Thanks, Jim, (OK, Jan & Ron).

I get it. I finally threw out all my "Beta" tapes last month (my last recorder/player) stopped working years ago). My wife has kept up with the picture phone thing so I did not have to do it. I have become a "gadgetophobe" when I used to be a "gadgetophile".

Since I no longer have an income I find it saves me a lot of money.

Walt



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Re: From pre-text to pro-text

Posted by Okay [11797.4426] on September 24, 2008 at 08:20:04:

In Reply to: Re: From pre-text to pro-text posted by Jim H. [11741.5140] on September 24, 2008 at 07:30:54:

The only basis is that you are over 50 and can "work it":) (I love dandelions;)


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Re: From pre-text to pro-text

Posted by Bill [8783.5025] on September 24, 2008 at 08:24:13:

In Reply to: Re: From pre-text to pro-text posted by Walt Stoll [93.4968] on September 24, 2008 at 08:03:12:

I am going to buy you a cheap headset with microphone you can plug into the front of your computer, and install Skype (free) on your PC so we can talk long distance for free, plus you can see me on your screen since I have a webcam now :)

Bill


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Re: From pre-text to pro-text

Posted by Jim H. [11741.5140] on September 24, 2008 at 08:36:59:

In Reply to: Re: From pre-text to pro-text posted by Okay [11797.4426] on September 24, 2008 at 08:20:04:

Good reason. You can get support from an Apple Store.


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Re: From pre-text to pro-text

Posted by Jim Hare [11741.5140] on September 24, 2008 at 08:41:20:

In Reply to: Re: From pre-text to pro-text posted by Bill [8783.5025] on September 24, 2008 at 08:24:13:

That is a great capability. My Mac has all that built in, but it doesn't
help with my daughter, because she doesn't have that ability on her's
yet, and she doesn't have her computer with her when I want to talk
anyway.


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Re: From pre-text to pro-text

Posted by Jan DeCourtney, CMT (Happygal) [716.4789] on September 24, 2008 at 08:58:30:

In Reply to: Re: From pre-text to pro-text posted by Bill [8783.5025] on September 24, 2008 at 08:24:13:

Hi Walt and Bill,

That is so cool. I have a friend in Ireland with a webcam and we use skype to talk, it's almost as good as having a visit in person.

Best wishes,
Jan



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Re: From pre-text to pro-text

Posted by Steve [523.5143] on September 24, 2008 at 09:06:41:

In Reply to: From pre-text to pro-text posted by Jim H. [11741.5140] on September 23, 2008 at 12:06:28:

Jim,

I have a " Blueberry " Are you impressed? I can email you by using my thumbs. Very slow, when I used to just return a call. I miss the personal touch of talking to that person. But time marches on and we all must make changes or get left behind.

Silver Fox!


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Re: From pre-text to pro-text

Posted by ANN [1003.2765] on September 24, 2008 at 09:14:42:

In Reply to: From pre-text to pro-text posted by Jim H. [11741.5140] on September 23, 2008 at 12:06:28:

about 8 years ago, when we didn't have a PC (we now have 5) my SIL was always complaining-"it you only had the internet, we could e-mail all the time."

So a friend gave us her old computer when she upgraded (it was given to her by her lawyer BIL when HE upgraded). Well, there's no such thing as a free computer. The floppy drive didn't work, so we went to the flea market to look for one. The computer guy there told my husband about a computer swap meet in the city every Saturday. Yes, we got a floppy drive for $5 and the computer was working fine. We made the rounds of stores that sold programs and bought lots of clearance stuff-education and game stuff for the kids, war and flight stuff for my husband. He started going to the swap meet every Saturday. At the end of the day, many sellers gave him boxes of keyboards and other parts for free, just to not have to haul them home. We bought another barn (I'M NOT KIDDING!!!) for all the stuff he brought home. He learned to build computers and kept upgrading ours everytime the kids wanted some program that was beyond our capacity. Wish all his parts were free, but he bought lots of monitors and hard drives and cd-rom drives and in front of me are two unused Lixux 7.1 and 7.2 and a zillion other dustcatchers. We're talking thousands of dollars, not even counting is ove of ebay.

As for my SIL, she emailed a couple times when we first got the first computer hooked up to the internet, but we're lucky to hear from her twice a year when I e-mail to ask if the packages I sent arrive. We're also on her forward list when she's sending cute pictures out to everyone she knows.

My kids have packed up the computers that were in their rooms and have gotten into board games and books.
YES!!!!


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Re: From pre-text to pro-text

Posted by Jim H. [11741.5140] on September 24, 2008 at 09:36:38:

In Reply to: Re: From pre-text to pro-text posted by Steve [523.5143] on September 24, 2008 at 09:06:41:

I don't know if I'm impressed or not. Does the text and email function
have spell check? Something mine has that I am very graitefull for. :)


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Re: From pre-text to pro-text

Posted by Jim H. [11741.5140] on September 24, 2008 at 10:00:05:

In Reply to: Re: From pre-text to pro-text posted by ANN [1003.2765] on September 24, 2008 at 09:14:42:

Thanks for that familiar and humorous scenario, Ann. I think many of
us share mixed emotions about technology. What we thought was
going to be increased quality communication has turned out, in many
cases, to be serial forwarding of cutesy jokes, basically turning joke
telling sessions around the water cooler into a worldwide event.

Who'da thunk.


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Re: From pre-text to pro-text

Posted by ANN [1003.2765] on September 24, 2008 at 12:55:22:

In Reply to: Re: From pre-text to pro-text posted by Jim H. [11741.5140] on September 24, 2008 at 10:00:05:

Larry the Cable Guy, about his first computer," I might as well have bought a $2300 deck of playing cards."


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Re: From pre-text to pro-text

Posted by Jim H. [11741.5140] on September 24, 2008 at 14:02:57:

In Reply to: Re: From pre-text to pro-text posted by ANN [1003.2765] on September 24, 2008 at 12:55:22:

LOL

Check this out:

http://www.workinghumor.com/quotes/computers.shtml




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Re: From pre-text to pro-text

Posted by Steve [5592.3394] on September 25, 2008 at 10:37:35:

In Reply to: Re: From pre-text to pro-text posted by Jim H. [11741.5140] on September 24, 2008 at 09:36:38:

Yes, I can email with the best of them. But since its so hard to use the key board I keep my replies short.

Yes! No! I don't know!

No spell check..Rats..

Silver Fox!


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Re: From pre-text to pro-text

Posted by ANN [2694.3308] on September 25, 2008 at 11:53:08:

In Reply to: Re: From pre-text to pro-text posted by Jim H. [11741.5140] on September 24, 2008 at 14:02:57:

thanks, those were funny.

If you haven't read the book, Dave Barry in Cyberspace, check it out- it's one of his best.


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Re: From pre-text to pro-text

Posted by Matylda [10652.4388] on October 12, 2008 at 14:03:50:

In Reply to: Re: From pre-text to pro-text posted by Okay [11797.4426] on September 23, 2008 at 17:00:18:

Hi,

I don't own even a cellphone or a credit card. Never had, never will. I have my freedom.It is enough my hubby calls me from a store asking question about shopping. I don't know what to do with a cellphone, too small for me anyway.
I didn't want a computer too, but one day my son come from Colorado to visit me, opened suitcase, took out a laptop Toshiba and instaled it. Left me with booklet, not too much help from him.
After few years we had an accident with laptop making us to believe it is broke. We bought desktop, we like very much, it is very fast said a computer man we use sometimes, fastes he knows.
Older Toshiba is still good, but colecting dust. Last month my son brough 2 years old Toshiba laptop due to upgrating his. Yes, I got a web camera (son brough) to talk with my grandchildren. Hub got laptop from work and uses a work's cellphone too, besides his own. In short time we are the owners of stuff we were not interested in. I have to admitt that now I have to have a computer, that all.

Matylda


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Re: From pre-text to pro-text

Posted by Okay [11797.4426] on October 12, 2008 at 18:43:31:

In Reply to: Re: From pre-text to pro-text posted by Matylda [10652.4388] on October 12, 2008 at 14:03:50:

I don't want to be too much of a snob about all technology. Some elderly people don't even want an answering machine. I think that's counter-productive. The Iphone goes with you, which I like.

You may have your freedom but are you sure you aren't losing opportunities? I'm still researching.


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Re: From pre-text to pro-text

Posted by OKay [11797.4426] on October 12, 2008 at 18:44:32:

In Reply to: Re: From pre-text to pro-text posted by Matylda [10652.4388] on October 12, 2008 at 14:03:50:

and don't you love your webcam????? Wish I had it much sooner than I did.


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Re: From pre-text to pro-text

Posted by Matylda [10652.4388] on October 23, 2008 at 10:12:56:

In Reply to: Re: From pre-text to pro-text posted by Okay [11797.4426] on October 12, 2008 at 18:43:31:

I don't feel I am loosing a thing.
Not realy, I am loosing an oportunity to read a book on the bus, for cells ringing, people loudly talking on them all the time. I miss an average manners of respecting others a little in public places.

Take care

Matylda




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Re: From pre-text to pro-text

Posted by So true [11797.4426] on October 23, 2008 at 10:29:07:

In Reply to: Re: From pre-text to pro-text posted by Matylda [10652.4388] on October 23, 2008 at 10:12:56:

I definitely agree with all those negatives but I think cell phones have saved lives and then again have probably cost lives (driving while using). Maybe some great statistician could tell us the score:)


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