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Posted by Vince F on January 01, 2003 at 09:09:38:

Hey, Walt. Are you familiar with the blue coloring
that aging dogs get where the vitrous (?) fluid gets
tinted. Both my hounds are becoming, Ol' Blue eyes
and it is making me sad since they are geting old
and their muzzles are geting white. I don't think
they will get white faced like Setters and Goldens
and they Don't slow down till they get ill which
is a joy and a hassle but they are pushing 12 & 13
and I am thinking about how much longer they might
last. many make it to 14 & 15 and the breeder of
my last male who these are related to has 4-14 1/2
yr olds who are still in good shape though having
some minor problems.

I wish I could reverse the signs of ageing but
don't know how. We eat the same things though they
get kibble also. I had to laugh last week when I
heard someone on the TV say that you Shouldn't give
them People Food !!! What is different in dog or
cat food ??? Are they supposed to eat Rocks and
Wood ?? LOL.. I get a kick out of people saying
things without thinking. My guys Always get a little
of what I eat if they show me they want it which is
All the time and as long as it doesn't cause gas or
upsets. I would cook for them if I thought I knew
Exactly what they needed but then I probably do,
Variety... I feed them kibble to make sure they
get some of everything Said to be needed. Was just
reading on the breed list about problems that some
dogs were having on a premium brand. My guys did
also and I was given it since I don't buy them,
just what reads good and they don't have Any
problems with.



Re: for Walt and Other, Aging pets

Posted by Carol on January 01, 2003 at 17:02:17:

In Reply to: for Walt and Other, Aging pets posted by Vince F on January 01, 2003 at 09:09:38:

Vince,

I had a Border Collie (Boogie) who lived to be 19 and a Beagle/Fox Terrier mix (Fritzy) who just passed this year two weeks shy of 18. When Boogie was 16 she had a stroke and the vets gave her a week to live. I wasn't ready, so I found out everything I could about alternative/holistic medicine. Through acupuncture and nutritional supplements, she lived another 3 very healthy years. Fritzy was diagnosed with severe liver disease in August of 2000 when she was 16 (must be something about being 16!) and the vets gave her a couple of months to live. Again, relying on everything I could find about treating liver disease with holistic avenues, she lived for another year and a half, most of that time feeling pretty good.

I never did before they got sick, but after their initial diagnosis' I started home cooking for them. There are a lot of books out there on how to make home made diets for dogs and cats. Check out your local health food store or sometimes the smaller "mom and pop" type pet stores will carry some great books on holistic stuff for pets. I'm convinced that feeding them home cooking, really good food, lots of fresh veggies in the food, and giving them supplements are what gave them the extra years they had with me. I just wish it could have been longer.

Things like colostrum, vitamin C, vitamin E, green foods like Kyo Green drink powder, in their food are all great immune system building things. There's so much to learn and so much info out there. Three good books to start with are

The Natural Health Bible for Dogs and Cats, by Dr. Shawn Messonnier

The Natural Dog, by Dr. Mary L. Brennan

Dr. Pitcairn's Complete Guide to Natural Health for Dogs and Cats, by Dr. Richard Pitcairn
There are also some internet lists for holistic pet care on Yahoo. Go to Yahoo and search their Groups to find one you like. There's one called HolisticDog, another called HolisticPet that are both good. Once there, you can find out about other lists from the folks on these lists.

Good luck with your hounds. I hope they're with you for a long time to come. Remember that love goes a long way in keeping a furkid healthy. Sometimes I'm convinced that at times it was pure love that kept my Boogie and Fritzy going when they were sick.

Take care,
Carol Fritzy (Angel) and Sweetie (18 yr old tuxedo cat)



Re: for Walt and Other, Aging pets

Posted by
zarin on January 01, 2003 at 17:38:47:

In Reply to: for Walt and Other, Aging pets posted by Vince F on January 01, 2003 at 09:09:38:

Hi Vince, When my Collie was 6 years old he was diagnosed with organ failure of the kidneys, pancreas and liver. They claimed it was genetic. Moon,is unique. He is part of a set of identical twins, his mother had only 2 identical pups, Shadow and Moon. Shadow died at the age of 2 1/2 years under strange circumstances and the autopsy showed general organ failure, therfore when Moon showed similar symptoms he was diagnosed with organ failure, saying it was genetic. He was given months to live.

I started him on spirulina to detox him. Liv 52 for his liver, magnesium to jump start his pancreas. He is now 9 years old and runs 5km( 3miles) every morning with me. I also give him pro-biotics and will soon be weaning him off that to start him on pre-biotics. His blood work shows his organs are functioning within normal range.

Moon also had cluding of his eyes, he had blue spots developing that have since disappeared. For this I gave him Billberry3000 for a few months and his eyes are clear now.

Hope this helps.



Re: for Walt and Other, Aging pets

Posted by
zarin on January 01, 2003 at 17:46:02:

In Reply to: for Walt and Other, Aging pets posted by Vince F on January 01, 2003 at 09:09:38:

how does one make corrections here? I saw a spelling error in my post cluding, should read clouding, but was unable to make the correction

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Re: for Walt and Other, Aging pets (Archive in monopoly.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 02, 2003 at 07:56:50:

In Reply to: for Walt and Other, Aging pets posted by Vince F on January 01, 2003 at 09:09:38:

Hi, Vince F.

Listen to Zarin and Carol.

I believe the actual diagnosis is cataracts. However the Whole Dog Journal routinely reports (from the experiences of Holistic Vets) reversing hopeless diagnoses like this.

If it were not for the power of the AMA a lot of these remedies would be available to humans too.

Namaste`

Walt



Re: for Walt and Other, Aging pets

Posted by Vince F on January 02, 2003 at 11:39:12:

In Reply to: Re: for Walt and Other, Aging pets posted by zarin on January 01, 2003 at 17:38:47:

Zarin, the blue spots sound like Blue Eye. My first
hound got it after shots and I thought it was
cataracts and asked the vet if she could be operated
on. The vet said, No and it would stay or go by
itself. They Thought it was from stress when geting
shots or something. Later a vet said it was from
an impurity in the vaccine and had been filtered
out when i brought in a rescue who had been
malnourshed anI I had waited till he had bulked up
and seemed healthy. Years later a breeder told me
she had a littler that got blue eye after shots
so an impurity wasn't the cause or it Hadn't been
removed from the shots hers got.



Re: for Walt and Other, Aging pets

Posted by Vince F on January 02, 2003 at 11:54:51:

In Reply to: Re: for Walt and Other, Aging pets posted by Carol on January 01, 2003 at 17:02:17:

I have read Pitcairn's book and have tried some
things but I never felt that they did much but then
I like to see results so don't do things in the
hope that it will help or be better. 15 seems to be
the limit for the breed no matter what owners feed
or do and some feed raw or other natural things,
even green tripe (uncleaned cow stomach).

I used cleaned tripe to finally put weight on my
super food sensitive, too lean for a lean breed,
male I have now and cayenne solved his food
sensitivities so he must have had an intestional
bug.

My last male had had a stroke at 12. He was
Super hot blodded and panted ALL year except on the
coldest days. He prefered being out and liked temps
in the teens. He probably had a heat stroke in the
summer and couldn't back up without falling and his
rear legs would slid out as he stood. I gave him
cod liver oil and pseudoephedrine since that can
help muscle weakness and he became stable. LOL...
What Really brought him back to life 2 weeks before
he went into a coma was when my female went into
heat. He bounced ran around like a puppy. I wanted
to bottle the scent..

He lived for 2 yrs after the stroke.



Re: for Walt and Other, Aging pets (Archive in monopoly.)

Posted by Vince F on January 02, 2003 at 11:57:55:

In Reply to: Re: for Walt and Other, Aging pets (Archive in monopoly.) posted by Walt Stoll on January 02, 2003 at 07:56:50:

Walt, this isn't cataracts. The fluid In the eyes
gets cloudy and reflects light. Not supposed to
affect vision. guess it is like wearing sunglases.
Just shows their age like the graying hair.



Re: for Walt and Other, Aging pets

Posted by Vince F on January 03, 2003 at 05:28:16:

In Reply to: Re: for Walt and Other, Aging pets posted by zarin on January 01, 2003 at 17:38:47:

Forgot to mention that Bilberry is a good idea. I
have it and tried it for my vision problems though
it didn't help them and might have made them worse
but my vision fluctuates often so no telling what
caused it. I was trying collodial minerals and
Every time I did my vision got blurred more.

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Re: for Walt and Other, Aging pets (Archive in monopoly.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on January 03, 2003 at 07:03:17:

In Reply to: Re: for Walt and Other, Aging pets (Archive in monopoly.) posted by Vince F on January 02, 2003 at 11:57:55:

Thanks, Vince.

New to me. I guess that is why I am not a veterinarian. My 9 year old laborador has this in one eye and her vet said it was an early cataract.

Namaste`

Walt

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Re: for Walt and Other, Aging pets

Posted by
zarin on January 03, 2003 at 17:48:27:

In Reply to: Re: for Walt and Other, Aging pets posted by Vince F on January 02, 2003 at 11:39:12:

Vince, according to the vets here, Collies are often born with a "blue" spot on their eyes. At anyrate, the billberry made it go away so I really dont know. Both Shadow and Moon had a blue spot, even as puppies.

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Re: for Walt and Other, Aging pets

Posted by
zarin on January 03, 2003 at 17:55:49:

In Reply to: Re: for Walt and Other, Aging pets posted by Vince F on January 02, 2003 at 11:54:51:

My simple logic says dogs are just domesticated wild animals. I feed my dogs fresh foods and avoid kibble. I give them stuff like liver, pancreas, tongue, pork, beef, mutton and chicken. Some of it they will eat raw and some I cook. They seem to enjoy mutton and beef raw.

For many years, while I was healing Moon of his organ failure, his diet was strictly lean breast meat of chicken. Now that his organ functions are normal, I allow him to eat anything he wants.

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