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Can vitamins be Bad for Your Health ??

Posted by Vince F [173.9] on October 05, 2004 at 09:51:06:

What does everyone make of the report, that some vitamins can cause digestive cancers ? They just listed Vit A, C, E, and beta carotine. BC, is said to Double lung cancer in smokers. Iron is said to increase the rate of Alsheimers and Parkinson's.

I can see taking something if you Need it to function better or it does something positive, that you want, but how can we be sure, if we Don't feel a benefit ? Can we go by Any study, that may fit Everyone else but US ?

I can't see taking anything, unless I feel a benefit. I would forget anyway.



Re: Can vitamins be Bad for Your Health ??

Posted by ANN [1003.516] on October 05, 2004 at 18:56:37:

In Reply to: Can vitamins be Bad for Your Health ?? posted by Vince F [173.9] on October 05, 2004 at 09:51:06:

read Dr Stoll's CODEX post 13 or 14 below yours about this issue.
Separate from that, mega doses of vitamins can give your liver extra work and some vitamins need to be taken in conjunction with others, but, given the very unbalanced diets many Americans eat and the possible depletion of the soil our crops are grown in, some vitamins are probably a good idea. For specific health issues that concern you, post, and I'm sure people will tell you what's good for that problem.



Re: Can vitamins be Bad for Your Health ??

Posted by Vince F [173.9] on October 05, 2004 at 19:20:07:

In Reply to: Re: Can vitamins be Bad for Your Health ?? posted by ANN [1003.516] on October 05, 2004 at 18:56:37:

couldn't find Walt's post.

Everytime I have looked up nutrition, I found things I would have never imagined, that made my diet seem fine. Even though I never gave it much thought, and just went by cravings. Learning that Vit C was in things I would have Never thought of, like peas and liver, I figured I didn't need to worry, and make sure I ate or consumed things that Everyone knows have items in them. I had been a little concerned about C, since I smoke and the oj commercials, make you think, that Only It has C in it.

I guess I will get replies, that only Food based vits are healthy or safe. I'll just eat the food, unless some suppliment gives me a result or benefit, I can feel. I Can't see doing anything else. I Don't believe it would take ME 6 mo to feel a result. Maybe I'm Sensitive.. Since Nothing is supposed to help in minutes, like I have experienced, and I don't take the item when I stop feeling the improvement, except as a test, to see if it helps something else, or wondering, if I needed it before, maybe I still need some. But that could be weeks or months later. Then we are told that Other items are needed when taking something, and what will They learn next month or year? I read that Even Glucosamine Shouldn't be taken for a long time. since Other items are needed with it and it will Take them from Other parts of the body. I took it, when it was needed, but don't take it now. Maybe MSM is the Other item needed, since That is what made the Glucos. work, within an hr.



Re: Can vitamins be Bad for Your Health ??

Posted by D [6.1442] on October 05, 2004 at 19:38:48:

In Reply to: Re: Can vitamins be Bad for Your Health ?? posted by Vince F [173.9] on October 05, 2004 at 19:20:07:

Hey Vince,

Go to day post for Oct. 3rd. You should find it there.

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Posted by ANN [1003.516] on October 05, 2004 at 20:09:52:

In Reply to: Re: Can vitamins be Bad for Your Health ?? posted by Vince F [173.9] on October 05, 2004 at 19:20:07:

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Re: Can vitamins be Bad for Your Health ?? (Archive in monopoly.)

Posted by Walt Stoll [9.8] on October 06, 2004 at 08:05:07:

In Reply to: Can vitamins be Bad for Your Health ?? posted by Vince F [173.9] on October 05, 2004 at 09:51:06:

Hi, Vince.

Beware of disinformation by the monopoly! You will find that most docs are taking these and understand, at least subconsciously, about the disinformation campaign the AMA/pharmaceutical Complex has been waging for more than 100 years now. Any negative research is given wide exposure (even though all scientists know that unless it can be replicated it means nothing) while any positive research is buried or refused publication by a committee of "peers".

Walt



Re: Can vitamins be Bad for Your Health ?? (Archive in monopoly.)

Posted by Vince F [173.9] on October 07, 2004 at 00:00:37:

In Reply to: Re: Can vitamins be Bad for Your Health ?? (Archive in monopoly.) posted by Walt Stoll [9.8] on October 06, 2004 at 08:05:07:

Walt, I am curious of information, that Could be Disinformation, so think about both, and try to sort out the truth. My feeling is that it is better to take Nothing unless it shows a benefit and Not make me wonder what damage it might do. When i had to take benadryl plus pseudoephedrine daily to be able to breathe normally, I was concerned about dangers or damage, mainly to my liver, since the combo Didn't make me feel like the pseudo alone did, with some minor sensations in my chest. The Nature's Bounty MSM that I was trying for my knees, made me need Nothing after a very short time, and releaved my symptoms and worry, and as much as the MSM's have done and fixed problems, I still won't take them unless needed. No reason to and what if they caused some kind of problem with long term use?

Saw a piece on the news about Viozz, and a local Dr took it for back pains when he was given them by a salesman and the Dr had a heart atatck. Then they had a girl who had an attack while taking Fen Fen. I have friends who try all the latest Drugs and think I am foolish for not trying to get them when I have those problems. I do some searching, Just out of curiosity, and find warnings, which I am criticized for mentioning. Two friend I can't communicate with anymore, Because, they think I am wrong, and I can't sit by and watch or hear someone is taking something I feel is dangerous, without saying something. I Couldn't with my mother. I also can't listen to people say that salt and aspirins are to be avoided completely, without telling them what I have learned.



Re: Can vitamins be Bad for Your Health ?? (Archive in monopoly.)

Posted by steve [135.4] on October 07, 2004 at 09:04:10:

In Reply to: Re: Can vitamins be Bad for Your Health ?? (Archive in monopoly.) posted by Vince F [173.9] on October 07, 2004 at 00:00:37:

Vince,

The unknowen about supplements is they don't always show an improvement when first taken and must be given enough time to work..Also how do you know if you are getting the correct dosage..We should be able to get all we need from food and water but we know that does happen..So what and how much do you need to add? If you wait too long there could be damage that can't be repaired..Don't you think it's better to be safe than sorry? A little insurance can't hurt..

Silver Fox!



Re: Can vitamins be Bad for Your Health ?? (Archive in monopoly.)

Posted by Walt Stoll [9.8] on October 07, 2004 at 11:29:53:

In Reply to: Re: Can vitamins be Bad for Your Health ?? (Archive in monopoly.) posted by Vince F [173.9] on October 07, 2004 at 00:00:37:

Thanks, Vince.

Listen to Steve. Supplements are not in the same ball park with drugs.

Walt



Re: Can vitamins be Bad for Your Health ?? (Archive in monopoly.)

Posted by Vince F [173.9] on October 07, 2004 at 12:58:46:

In Reply to: Re: Can vitamins be Bad for Your Health ?? (Archive in monopoly.) posted by steve [135.4] on October 07, 2004 at 09:04:10:

haveing had many suppliments show results in minutes, Those I can be sure were needed and helped. Even glucosamine that I took for week, Didn't do a thing till I added MSM, and Then in less than an hr, I was feeling relief. Next time, not thinking the glucosamine had been part of it, since I stoped taking it the day before, I just took the MSM the next time, 4 mo later, and it did Nothing, till I remembered, and then, in less than an hr, I was geting relief. Being down to 2 caps and months going by with no pain. I didn't want to spend 20$ for the glcos, if I wasn't going to need it again, since it was geting longer and longer, between the need. 8 mo, the last time, I opened a cap and just took a few grains. That Worked, with the MSM.

Zinc used to help me a lot till I found a brand of MSM that made it not necessary. I bought all sizes, once I found that it worked, to save money and for convience, trying to find the optimum does. I read here, that the max does is 50mg, and then that it was 200. Then you read that copper is needed with it, so what is the right does and what else besides copper will be found to be needed. I tried copper and didn't see any difference. Maybe I didn't need it, since Maybe I was Just not absorbing zinc from foods, storing it Or utilizing it normally, since when I took zinc I HAD to take it within 20min of what I was doing for it to stop or delay pains from starting, and give me Much more endurance, before they started, or I'd be taking it to relieve the pains, though it wouldn't get rid of them completely, And I could be hurting SO bad, I might not be able to even remember to take it for a day or 2, till the pains lessened, and I could remember.

IF the recent studies are true, then Taking supps OR some of them are Dangerous. So Taking them Might cause problems like cancers. So taking them Isn't safe and you Will be sorry. I Think I'd rather have a problem from Omission, than Comission, thinking I was doing something helpful, and doing something harmful.

Since I Seem to be Very sensitive to My needs, I'll go with what Helps, and avoid what does Nothing. Never failed me yet. I think I was wise to go with Glucosamine & MSM as opposed to Vioxx/Celebrex. Friends taking them are Stll taking them, while I had to take what I did 4X and found a cure. I didn't like the problems that I had read about with the others, and I Don't even like what I read about taking Glucosamine long term. SO IF It IS dangerous, I don't have to worry. Haven't had to take it in 2 yrs. I didn't BUY that it would take 6mo to help anyway. I Wouldn't take something THAT long, Hoping for help. To me that is rediculous, since Cod oil helped a related knee problem in 15 min. so I would look for something that I am Sure helped. In 60 Mo, I wouldn't know if a suppliment helped Or the part healed on it's own,like the body can sometimes do.



Re: Can vitamins be Bad for Your Health ?? (Archive in monopoly.)

Posted by Vince F [173.9] on October 07, 2004 at 13:32:04:

In Reply to: Re: Can vitamins be Bad for Your Health ?? (Archive in monopoly.) posted by Walt Stoll [9.8] on October 07, 2004 at 11:29:53:

Walt, I'm me and Steve is Steve. No way I believe that puting coffee up my butt is healthy or does anything, but then I don't buy the 10' long tubes of fecal matter are siting in all of us or 10-20lbs of it, Unless constipated, so I wouldn't believe other things.

Not sure that supps aren't drugs. Too much of some can damage the liver and become toxic, and no telling what others can do. Maybe they ALL need to be taken and not individuals, though a multi never did or does what individuals have done for me. Just like when I Needed to take salt. No amount on food, did what taking it straight did, and a Lot less.

I don't think I will believe anything but my body, and how it reacts and if I get a reaction. I'm like that with other things also, like religions. Tell me you have the answers, and I say, Prove it.. If you can't, I Ain't buying it. Tell me it Can't be proved and to have Faith. I'll have faith in what makes sense to me, not in someones book or story. I've been the same way with going to war in Iraq. They EXperts said, Believe US, looks like we got sold a bill of goods on That one, and Many are dieing and suffering and it is costing a fortune, and what damage has been done, that we will reap the problems later ?



Re: Can vitamins be Bad for Your Health ?? (Archive in monopoly.)

Posted by steve [135.4] on October 07, 2004 at 15:11:51:

In Reply to: Re: Can vitamins be Bad for Your Health ?? (Archive in monopoly.) posted by Vince F [173.9] on October 07, 2004 at 12:58:46:

Vince,

Did you know you shouldn't take Cooper and Zinc at the same time..Take Zinc in the morning and Cooper at night..

Maybe that's why it didn't work for you..

Silver Fox!



Re: Can vitamins be Bad for Your Health ?? (Archive in monopoly.)

Posted by steve [135.4] on October 07, 2004 at 15:34:04:

In Reply to: Re: Can vitamins be Bad for Your Health ?? (Archive in monopoly.) posted by Vince F [173.9] on October 07, 2004 at 13:32:04:

Vince,

Your right, not many will do coffee enemas and I don't think Walt is asking you to do that..I don't think he does them either..Each of us must make our own choices regarding health..I think you said that you smoke, well if you do then nothing else you do or don't do will help you..Smoking will kill you and you will have poor health until it does..Sorry to be so blunt but that's the way it is..

I do enemas and colonics to detox..I also do lots more, eat as much raw food as I can..Exercise everyday possible..All to keep free of toxins, the source of all disease..That's my choice and guess what, it works..No pain ( not even when I get up in the morning ), lots of energy and I don't get sick..

So how's your health?

Silver Fox! 62 and counting..



Re: Can vitamins be Bad for Your Health ?? (Archive in monopoly.)

Posted by Vince F [173.9] on October 07, 2004 at 15:39:21:

In Reply to: Re: Can vitamins be Bad for Your Health ?? (Archive in monopoly.) posted by steve [135.4] on October 07, 2004 at 15:11:51:

Yea, I knew that. Zinc will block the absorption of copper in the intestional walls.

I used to have to take zinc often to relieve pains and not feel the cold. Then I tried it when walking my hounds, Not just for the pains I would get from the walking, but NOT to feel the cold, since it was rare that I felt up to walking them and the cold didn't bother them one bit, so I would take the zinc Right before the walks and could be out for an hr with temps in the teens and the wind blowing and I wouldn't realize it was cold till I opened the door to the house, and felt the heat. Taking the zinc 30 min before going out, it didn't help with pains or the cold. That is how fast it was broken down or metabolized, or stoped doing what it did. It Did delay the problems, once I started doing what it helped so can't explain that.



Re: Can vitamins be Bad for Your Health ?? (Archive in monopoly.)

Posted by steve [135.4] on October 07, 2004 at 15:46:06:

In Reply to: Re: Can vitamins be Bad for Your Health ?? (Archive in monopoly.) posted by Vince F [173.9] on October 07, 2004 at 15:39:21:

Vince,

Feeling cold or heat is related to circulation..Rutin is worth a try..

Silver Fox!

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Re: Can vitamins be Bad for Your Health ?? (Archive in monopoly.)

Posted by Vince F [173.9] on October 07, 2004 at 16:06:45:

In Reply to: Re: Can vitamins be Bad for Your Health ?? (Archive in monopoly.) posted by steve [135.4] on October 07, 2004 at 15:34:04:

so what is the copper supposed to do ?

My health is great except that the brain damage still limits my function a bit and balance and cordination, aren't what they used to be. B-1 gets me moving when I can'r get started, but Only when I really want to do something, and doesn't do a thing at other times.

60 and doing great considering that I have to do everything myself, and managed 4 Afghan hounds that all needed work to get them to be all they could be, with a variety of problems that no one else could solve, even vets. Had 2 sick parents to deal with who were Very stubborn and only listened to Dr's who made their conditions worse and probably brought on many of them, by going by the book. I still try to do all car and house repairs and help friends with theirs, and had 3 family houses to sell and get rid of or keep items, even with what was considered perminant CNS, and brain damage, plus liver, kidney, and lung problems from a chemical exposure, that caused every kind of mental, physical, and visual problem that I had to solve myself and even fore Dr's to do tests that "I" thought would give me answers and even fight with Dr's at Penn who Misdiagnosed me and delayed me maybe geting a complete cure, since there is a 12 mo window, but "I" couldn't figure it out for 18mo, and Then try to get Dr's to do what I wanted and thought would help.

I have been offered 4 adult hounds, 2 rescues and 2 retired show dogs but am hesitating since I want to fix this house and sell it and build a house in the country where I could have more than 4, and having them might slow me down and distract me from geting things done, but then my mental limits make all that really hard since I want to do major work on this place and build a reinforced, concrete dome home with a greenhouse, garage, stable, and kennel with runs, under the roof and the house isn't your average one and engineering and design need someone spealized, and the co that makes the inflated form is in Tx, and then picing a safe place to build it is a puzzle, and I'd want to do some of the work myself, since I don't feel like trying to explain and pay the price of many of the details, I know others won't understand or not do right.

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