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I found this article in the L.A. Times today. Thought some of you might be interested. Let's see if I can do the link.
Naya
In Reply to: CFIDS article - new research posted by Naya [3095.14] on April 21, 2006 at 19:27:48:
Hi Naya,
Strange that when one is on a mission to prove one connection, they tend to ignore other causes..
It could be that there is some genetic suceptibility to CFIDS, but that could also mean that some people are less likely to contract Lyme Disease, Hepatitis or some
other hidden infection, which may be the cause of the aches and pains. LGS could also be a cause.
There has to be thorough testing before a doc can simply shrug and diagnose CFIDS?
see link below..
In Reply to: Re: CFIDS article - new research posted by Ron [1013.2318] on April 21, 2006 at 21:41:05:
Hi Ron. I have been suffering from CFIDS for over fourteen years and this is the first study that makes any sense to me. Looking at my family history and personality types, it all jibes.
I have been tested for everything under the sun by the best in the field on both coasts. I have tried every treatment available and nothing. So, for me this study is a new window to me which actually does not surprise me at all. My history since childhood matches what is described in the article, also.
Walt's right about one thing. SR could be a definite help if this study proves fruitful. And that's my take after fourteen years.
Naya
In Reply to: Re: CFIDS article - new research posted by Naya [3095.14] on April 21, 2006 at 21:50:28:
Hi Naya,
Does this mean that it isn't a virus?
dd
In Reply to: Re: CFIDS article - new research posted by dd [1593.26] on April 21, 2006 at 22:31:08:
Hi dd! I honestly don't know if it means that. This is all that I found. I plan to do further research on this and contact the National CFIDS Association. Who knows if this is legitimate or not, but it does raise some interesting questions.
BTW, I'm just as upset as you are about the things you posted. I just don't have the energy to post all that, but I'm glad you did. Nice to know there are others out there who feel as strongly as I do.
You mean, you haven't heard me yelling at the TV when the news comes on? I'm a raving lunatic at this point. I drive my bf crazy.
I'm glad you're doing better. Your plans sound really tempting. I wass thinking similar things myself - if I could only move my ass!!!
Naya
In Reply to: CFIDS article - new research posted by Naya [3095.14] on April 21, 2006 at 19:27:48:
Thanks, Naya.
Typical alllopathic thinking type of research: trying to force the complex causes through the eye of the allopathic needle!
Walt
In Reply to: CFIDS article - new research posted by Naya [3095.14] on April 21, 2006 at 19:27:48:
I agree with Walt - this is WAY off-base and typical allopathic thinking. Genes play a very small part in most conditions, and then usually only come into play as weaknesses triggered by environmental conditions.
More common is a tendency to ACQUIRE the physiological status of the mother by a child in utero. In the case of CFS, this would amount to a mother with weak/burned out adrenal glands - which is the basis of CFS that allopathic doctors have yet to see.
I just counseled a lady (now 66) who has had CFS for several years. It all made sense when she told me her history. She's had hypoglycemia since early childhood, probably acquired from her mother at birth - hypoglycemia is nearly always associated with weak adrenals. At 49, she had a total hysterectomy, the worst thing possible for someone with already weak adrenals, i.e., all sex hormones were lost from the ovaries, and her already weak adrenals could not support her with enough back-up hormones. The result was an adrenal crash where she now has virtually no stress or sex hormone output. All of her symptoms, including those of "diagnosed" CFS are those of burned out adrenal glands and an endocrine system in chaos.
The very same thing happened to me, but mine was the result of a total hysterectomy followed by the adrenal crash brought on by withdrawal from tranquilizers.
When you add insult to injury like this, and then add in bad diets and the other chemical/psychological stresses of life, you have a disaster in the making. Very little has to do with genes - but they sure do make for a good scapegoat. When will the MD's ever learn???
In Reply to: Re: CFIDS article - new research posted by Walt Stoll [93.1889] on April 22, 2006 at 07:42:03:
Well, Walt, I see your point, but I thought this was an interesting way to look at it along with the rest of what we know. It fits me to a T. Also, in light of the constant inability to handle stress, I can see how SR would be a big help here.
Naya
In Reply to: Re: CFIDS article - new research posted by kc [594.74] on April 22, 2006 at 12:38:20:
Hi kc. I do agree with most of what you are saying. I, too, got sick following a hysterectomy, but have always been incredibly stressed. I also have adrenal insufficiency. So, I completely agree with you there. As for my mother, she was in the Army during WWII and was exposed to mustard gas for a prolonged period while pregnant with me. She became violently ill and had to be discharged. I can't believe this had no effect on me.
I was a projectile vomiter after being born and had trouble eating for years. Later, I developed a decades-long eating disorder. So you have to wonder.
Many factors plus more I haven't mentioned.
I just was intrigued by the possiblility of there beign some truth to the study. I know there are many other factors. On to SR!!! It may not only be the genes, but a predidisposition due to circumstances as well. Environment plus a little genetics???
Naya
In Reply to: Re: CFIDS article - new research posted by Naya [3095.14] on April 22, 2006 at 17:53:17:
Hi Naya. Well, I think you proved my point with your mother's history. The gene factor is the predisposition, but by far the problems are more environmentally related.
If I could depart from Walt's indisputable wisdom for a bit, I do not think SR/3LS is the only thing that should be done in cases of adrenal insufficiency. I was in adrenal burnout from the tranquillizer withdrawal for four years with some symptom improvement but little change in my sodium/potassium level (the main indicator of adrenal problems). After starting a mineral balancing program six months ago, I've had dramatic improvement. I am now out of adrenal burnout, though still adrenal insufficient. Other minerals are coming into balance too. I could not recommend this program more - it will not only help, but you can see the progress on the reports.
Re your comment below on the benzos - I think you may have missed part of my point. Given your history as a child, you were probably already adrenal insufficient per acquisition from your mother in utero, and you may or may not have had obvious symptoms. I would suggest that later in life, the benzos and any other significant stresses then threw you into adrenal burnout, the result of which was the CFS, fibro, allergies, etc.
To give a very simplified picture, while benzos are tranquilizing you, your body is trying to compensate for this unnatural situation by "building up" your alertness, i.e., the body is trying to maintain homeostasis so that if a perceived danger comes along, you will have the "fight or flight" ability to overcome the tranquilization. When you remove the drug, that overcompensation takes over and you are thrown into fight or flight overdrive, with panic attacks/anxiety and a thousand other benzo withdrawal symptoms. Since the adrenal glands are the seat of these reactions, you quickly go into adrenal burnout. The effects differ somewhat with each person, depending probably on the areas that were already weak in the body, but they are still far-reaching since there are GABA receptors all over the body.
In my case, my NA/K was dangerously low, I lost 15% of my weight in a short time, developed food allergies, candida, dysbiosis, insomnia, rashes, anxiety and depression, IBS symptoms, just to name a FEW things. Luckily, I stopped short of CFS or fibro, but know other people who have had terrible problems with both. It is not uncommon, as may be your case, to be already so weakened and toxic that you would not connect increasing symptomology with the times you stopped taking benzos.
I hope this helps. When we keep adding these insults to injuries over the course of years, it usually becomes a blur as to what has really been happening at the roots.
In Reply to: Re: CFIDS article - new research posted by kc [594.74] on April 22, 2006 at 12:38:20:
Thanks, KC.
In MY opinion, the "MDs will learn" when as much money can be made educating the patient as "treating" him. The word "doctor" MEANS teacher, after all.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: CFIDS article - new research posted by Naya [3095.14] on April 22, 2006 at 17:42:47:
Thanks, Naya.
I understand your position. I just had to put it in perspective; which I see you have already done. ALL true advances of knowledge are worth while.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: CFIDS article - new research posted by Naya [3095.14] on April 22, 2006 at 17:53:17:
Hi Naya,
You sounded so interested in the article, but I do agree that it seems misguided. Especially did you notice the part where they concluded they needed to find a drug to remedy it? Ugh.
Read Chapter 6 of our book, causes of illness!!! I think you will understand the causes from that.
Best wishes,
Jan
In Reply to: Re: CFIDS article - new research posted by Happygal [2062.2032] on April 23, 2006 at 07:44:56:
Hi Jan. I was very interested because I thought there might be a missing link that they had discovered. The problem, as you say, is what the solution is. If it's a drug, I would be VERY disappointed and not go for it at all.
I haven't gotten to Chapter 6 yet, but I'll skip ahead and read it as soon as I can.
Thanks!
Naya
In Reply to: Re: CFIDS article - new research posted by kc [594.74] on April 23, 2006 at 06:39:04:
Thanks for your input, kc, but there are many things in my personal history that I'd rather not discuss here. There were several episodes in my life which brought on extreme anxiety, depression and panic attacks long before I had even heard of benzos.
So while I agree with part of your assessment, there is much more to the story predating any use of benzos.
Would you mind telling me which program you followed? You may have told me, but I am so exhausted I may have missed it. I am currently treating the adrenal insufficiency, but find that it has made no difference at all. This is the third time I am trying this. It works at first and then just stops working, as had been the case for many other treatments I have tried over the last fourteen years.
Thanks again for your concern.
Naya
In Reply to: Re: CFIDS article - new research posted by Naya [120.14] on April 23, 2006 at 18:08:21:
Hi Naya. I am certainly not asking you to divulge your history, just am suggesting you were already adrenal insufficient early in life (which may have been EITHER the cause or result of the anxiety, etc.) and THEN benzo withdrawals caused you to eventually go into extreme adrenal exhaustion, i.e. CFS, fibro, etc. Already having been symptomatic early on, you probably did not connect the benzos to having made you even worse.
As far as treating it, read the articles on adrenals on www.drlwilson.com and www.arltma.com. If you are even more into it, read Larry Wilson's book Nutritional Balancing Through Hair Mineral Analysis. The book is somewhat technical, but would better help you understand how to interpret hair analysis results in terms of your condition.
The advantage of tracking your progress (mainly your calcium, magnesium, sodium and potassium levels) with hair analysis is that you can see exactly where you stand with each test, i.e., the degree of adrenal insufficiency, hypoglycemia, thyroid insufficiency, etc. All are tied to low adrenals. I have been in adrenal exhaustion for the last 5 years since benzo withdrawal and in six months have had dramatic improvement following Wilson's program. Still have a ways to go, but none of this happens overnight!
I hope you seriously consider it - it is certainly the best thing I have done in regaining my health. All the best to you.
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