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update on my vertigo

Posted by dd [11114.4570] on July 10, 2008 at 12:41:45:

I had a chiropractor and massage appointment yesterday, with two
practitioners that my acupuncturist referred. I learned a great deal.

Of course, my injuries are still there, but have begun to finally shift,
and in a major way. A few weeks ago my back began to adjust itself,
in major ways, opening up the back of my neck, my left shoulder, my
lower back, etc...the chiropracter only did one manual adjustment to
my neck, which did not relieve the vertigo, but was a huge
adjustement. She told me that with all the adjusting going on, that
my body was in shock. Some of the patterns go back to when I was
7 years old, from playing violin. Those being in my left arm and
shoulder, affecting the entire structure of my body, including my
cranials. I have one area that is quite swollen up at the base of my
left side of my neck, and she said that it was from all of the opening
of my upper and mid back, and well as my shoulder, but that the
neck had not been able to move itself as well. She believed this is
what is causing my vertigo. She did not rule out that hormones were
also part of it, but in my case, she said that the amount of adjusting
and release was really intense, and very old patterns were finally
disolving.

I went from the adjusment into a massage, which was with a woman
that I can only describe as a true healer, or facilitator. This woman
had the sweetest and most loving heart. She was working on me,
telling me what I already knew, which was how uneven my body is
muscularly, from playing, but she said that my muscles were
responsive. This has not been the case, for many years since the
accident. Everything was going well and then she got into the left
shoulder, upper arm, and into my left wrist, which still has a huge
ganglion cyst from the accident, which is what brought me to this bb
many years ago. She got into the front of my upper left arm, and
whammo. I went into severe vertigo. She stopped, and it subsided.
My left side of my neck began to feel really strange, and the
shoulder and wrist all began to feel very lit up. All of a sudden I
started shaking on the table and went ice cold. At first she thought I
was having a blood sugar drop, but she put her hands on my head in
a very particular way, and the entire thing stopped. In a nano
second, it stopped. I just sat there and said, what is going on? I was
scared at this point. She said I was having a really severe trauma
release and said that I needed to continue with it, so she let go of my
head and boom. It started again and for about 15 minutes I lay there
shaking and teeth chattering and my body almost in some type of
spasm. Then it stopped. She didn't massage me any further, but we
talked, and she told me that I was healing. All of this that is going
on with me is about release and deep stuff finally surfacing after all
these years. All of my emotional stuff had latched onto my injuries.
And and I am sure my emotional stuff helped to worsen the injuries
that I suffered. It was very frightening to go through that and I was
so exhausted last night. This morning I awoke to guess what..my
period. Late, but it arrived. So...when I awoke, I stretched and my
lower back adjusted in two places and then my cranials and my atlas
moved. The vertigo feeling lessened greatly.

I am into this for the long haul. This isn't easy, and I am really teary
as I write this. It is really hard to trust enough to really heal after a
tough life with people that didn't help me along. But, it is happening,
finally. SR is a huge part of this. Diet too, but SR is so important.
I had to write out my diet for the chiropractor. She was impressed.
Thanks to you Walt, for teaching me to understand.

I told the massage therapist about my feelings and knowledge as a
young child that I knew we could move our energy and heal
ourselves, from anything, if we could just be that free and evolved.
She told me of a man she knew that was the same way, since
childhood and had the opportunity to put it to the test. He had been
hit by a drunk driver, a long term alcoholic, and his leg was not
healing and was to amputated. He knew he could heal himself. He
discovered that what was in his way was his lack of forgiveness and
love for the man that harmed him. So, he went to the man and
forgave him, in person. Not only did the guy heal his leg, but the
alcoholic stopped drinking now dedicates his life to teaching the
youth about forgiveness, love and sobriety. How do you like that?
Two healings with the injured doing the forgiving.

I just think this whole process is remarkable. I was given the name
and number to the man that healed his leg. I want to meet up with
him if he is willing.

Just wanted to give you the update.

dd


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Re: update on my vertigo

Posted by ANN [1003.2765] on July 10, 2008 at 15:30:19:

In Reply to: update on my vertigo posted by dd [11114.4570] on July 10, 2008 at 12:41:45:

glad to hear you've found some good people to work with and that hands on the head experience is interesting.

When my husband had unexplained dizziness, the doctor gave him dramamine. It wasn't helpful, but lead us to get him those pressure point motion sickness bands for the wrist. When you mentioned the positioning of the hands on the head, it made me think it would be useful to develop headbands that impact those pressure points-not as a long term treatment, I understand ultimately, you've got stuff that needs releasing, but as sort of first aid when an attack hits and you have to be able to get around or drive or something.

part of my husband's problem included blood pressure and blood sugars that dropped too much, so I'd add some Real Salt to one of his soy protein and honey shakes and it would get him back steady on his feet in just a few minutes (treating symptoms, not causes, I know).


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Re: update on my vertigo

Posted by k. [80.56] on July 10, 2008 at 16:44:41:

In Reply to: update on my vertigo posted by dd [11114.4570] on July 10, 2008 at 12:41:45:


Hi dd,

I'm glad to hear that you got some answers yesterday. It sounds like the acupuncture really has been working to help your body heal and realign, that's great news! And to have the confirmation and aide of the chiro and massage therapist is very reassuring.

I know this will sound crazy, but again our experiences find a parallel. I was so surprised to hear your experience with the massage therapist because it is very similar to several experiences I have had with my injured foot and nobody could understand or appreciate my reaction. The first time I did an exercise to stretch the plantar on the bottom of my foot to try and alleviate plantar fasciitis. It involved pulling the foot forward. Well I did it but then for the next few days I experienced chills, shaking, and discomfort so I stayed off my foot for a few weeks. It finally subsided and I went about my business. Then my physical therapist pulled my foot forward and the same thing happened again. Chills, shaking, and discomfort.

Well it just so happens that I have a large ganglion cyst in my foot/ankle and I did think that maybe my reaction had something to do with it. But now after hearing that you had similar experiences when your massager encountered your cyst, I am even more curious. Also, I was reading about ganglion cysts and on an acupuncturist's website it said that massage is one of the few methods that actually has an effect on them. Anyway, it's something to think about, but the bottom line is that it sounds like you're are making good progress on your path toward healing:)

~
k.


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Re: update on my vertigo

Posted by dd [11114.4570] on July 10, 2008 at 20:31:23:

In Reply to: Re: update on my vertigo posted by ANN [1003.2765] on July 10, 2008 at 15:30:19:

Hi ANN,

yes, the laying of hands on my head like that, and having the
symptoms completely halt, was nothing short of unreal. It was like I
was a totally different person while she had her hands on my head.
She knew how to stop the energetic flow in its' steps. Really
amazing. I have an acupuncture appointment tomorrow and that is
right on the top of my list of questions for him. LOL..maybe you
have come up with an idea for a new product! It was clear though
that it was going to happen nonetheless, when she removed her
hands. It was just like pausing the movie!

Sometimes treating the symptoms is ok, if you eventually desire to
find the cause, before things spiral out of control.

dd


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Re: update on my vertigo

Posted by dd [11114.4570] on July 10, 2008 at 20:47:22:

In Reply to: Re: update on my vertigo posted by k. [80.56] on July 10, 2008 at 16:44:41:

Hey there,

Yeah, you weren't crazy at all. That was trauma for sure. Great that
you are releasing it already. Not years later like me. Good for you.
It is really great when your practitioners know what is going on
though. It is very reassuring as you go through it. I would imagine
you were a bit frightened, or at least somewhat taken aback? The
feeling is unnerving.

I don't know if your cyst is "the" reason for your trauma release, or if
it is just where your trauma rested, or if the ganglion does store
immense traumas. Perhaps they do. But, I had a visual trauma
release on my first acupuncture appointment. No shaking and wasn't
cold until AFTER my eyes stopped going from side to side. Then,
boom, the same cold and unsettled feeling, but not nearly as scary.
Yesterday was really tough, like what you went through. The
shaking is very strange. Lots of energy whirling about and leaving
your body all at once. Amazing, isn't it? It is remarkable. Today,
most of the day I felt like I had a hangover. Tonight, my mind is
much clearer. I am going to start making a chart over the weeks to
see if some of this is my new hormonal flux as well.

You are right. The acupuncture has served me well. It is opening up
my body for sure. I like the acupuncture the best of the three
treatments, although the massage is always a nice feeling of release.
I am shy on adjustments for myself, because of my connective tissue
disorder. I used to crack my toes in grade school. Jeez..it was the
rage. Everyone was doing it. But mine turned into jelly toes. LOL,
one day they just wouldn't crack anymore and the would just bend
like gumby. I didn't know what the heck had happened, but now I do.
I can pull them all the way forward, and all the way back, and there is
almost zero resistance. UGH...... So, I am going to do the adjustments
with reservation, especially since the acupuncture is helping the
adjustments along. But, I will go in and get them when I am stuck
and can't move.

Anyway, I am glad you are healing too and how cool we are going
through these releases at the same time. I am sure more will come
for me. Have yours resolved themselves? Or are you still shaky? I
feel shaky today a bit, and she said to not be surprised if more come
this week. I am glad to be able to talk (write) with another person
that gets what I am going through. What an amazing experience.
Even though this process is hard down here, I am gaining immense
respect for our journeys. You know what I mean?

dd


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Re: update on my vertigo

Posted by k. [80.56] on July 11, 2008 at 02:48:27:

In Reply to: Re: update on my vertigo posted by dd [11114.4570] on July 10, 2008 at 20:47:22:


Hey dd,

Yes, I definitely was frightened and taken aback, but as you said, it is so reassuring to hear that someone else has gone through it and knows what it is. My podiatrist thought my cyst was a result of the trauma to my foot from the fall.

Anyway, I haven't had an episode like that lately (chills and shaking). However, if I carry or push something too heavy, I immediately feel pain in my foot and my body starts to get cold; and if I don't back off right away, it will happen.

Like you I just adore the acupuncture. My first episode was a mixture of good and bad. After a while I relaxed and thought it was a piece of cake. But then, I started having a bad asthma attack, and then a panic attack because I had the asthma attack. My acupuncturist explained that it was common for asthma and panic attacks to kick in the first time. But the worst was the dizziness and nausea the week following that first appointment. I knew I could not function like that, and thank God he was able to treat it the next week. He made it disappear. Also, I read that sometimes people get that dizziness after the first acupuncture treatment.

After listening to your description, it sounds like you really had a mind body reaction, as you say your eyes went side to side. That's a reflection of something defininitely going on with your brain alright. Very interesting. Reminds me of neurolinguistic programming and rapid eye movement stuff and EMF.

It's good that you will continue with the adjustments as it doesn't sound safe not to have any resistance. Gumby toes....how cute they are. :)

Anyway, I can see why you might be tired today, yesterday sounded very draining. But if you're clearer tonight than it's already working it's magic.
The following two days after my acupuncture treatments I usually feel extremely tired, perhaps it's similar to your pattern yesterday. Healing has it's various stages - the body works and the body rests - the bodymind is definitely fascinating.

It sounds like you are prepared that you might have to endure more episodes to clear all the stuff out. I truly admire your bravery and willingness to do whatever you have to do, to be the best person you can be. The charting sounds like a good plan and it is important not to discount the peri-men. I am very glad to be able to share our experiences.

talk to ya later,
k.

p.s. right now I must look like such a kook. I am wearing my Q-Link pendant, which is supposed to be implanted with technology that balances out one's bioelectric field. I am wearing my magnetic ankle bracelet, chanting, and dreaming of my next acupuncture appointment with Ed. Whatever did this foot injury do to me. :) :) :)


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Re: update on my vertigo -- Archive in monooly. HOLISTIC!

Posted by Walt Stoll [93.3349] on July 11, 2008 at 07:50:04:

In Reply to: update on my vertigo posted by dd [11114.4570] on July 10, 2008 at 12:41:45:

Thanks, dd.

A beautiful description about how these things can develop into affecting our entire bodies!

This is one of the main things I am angry with the AMA about. Just for economic, monopolistic purposes, the AMA denied any education about this structural reality in the medical education system for 100 years. They still, covertly, deny this to their patients, for the most part. The chiropractors had to sue them in court for 10 years and finally get a huge judgement against them. I had to get all my structural education post graduately. This is one reason why I am so grateful to ChironDave for contributing to our BB.

Walt


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Re: update on my vertigo

Posted by Charles [140.2996] on July 11, 2008 at 08:34:18:

In Reply to: update on my vertigo posted by dd [11114.4570] on July 10, 2008 at 12:41:45:

I don't know what Dr. Stoll would say about this but my wife had a ganglion cyst on her wrist and one day we were fooling around, not having sex, and I grabbed her by the wrist right on the cyst and it burst. It swells up sometimes but she said it never gets as big as it was when I burst it but it then goes back down.

I wonder what he think would happen if you pricked it and let the fluid out.

You might want to try my tobacco on it, it would get the swelling you have down and it will get rid of inflammation also.


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Re: update on my vertigo -- Archive in monooly. HOLISTIC!

Posted by Jan DeCourtney, CMT (Happygal) [876.4633] on July 11, 2008 at 10:43:39:

In Reply to: Re: update on my vertigo -- Archive in monooly. HOLISTIC! posted by Walt Stoll [93.3349] on July 11, 2008 at 07:50:04:

I'm really glad Chiron Dave is here, too.

Best wishes,
Jan


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Re: update on my vertigo

Posted by dd [11114.4570] on July 11, 2008 at 15:44:03:

In Reply to: Re: update on my vertigo posted by k. [80.56] on July 11, 2008 at 02:48:27:

ah k!@! I bet you look adorable with all your new chant attire! Do
you feel anything from the pendant or ankle bracelet? My
grandfather wore a wrist bracelet. He loved it. Believed it really
helped him a lot.

I just got back from Yurgen's. It was great and my vertigo is
definitely much better, but still there. He said that my back has
opened up so much since he last saw me and was actually shocked a
bit. He says, "you do mean business, don't you!" He said that it is
really hard on the system, although good. He worked a bit manually
on my lower back with stretching of the lower spine and then set the
needles and then followed with the quantum touch. When he worked
my lower spine, all the pressure in my head stopped. He told me
that that part of my back was equally responsible for this vertigo.
The lower back did not shift, but needs to. It is another spot that
was injured from the car accident. It is all working itself out now. I
am so happy to see the movement, after all this effort. It DOES pay
off eventually. Needless to say, I feel happier too. As well, he did
treat me hormonally, and said that he knew that I was definitely
going into menopause. That has been clear to him since the
beginning.

I took your advice, and even told Yurgen what you did to get back to
back appointments. He smiled, and gave me four cards with four
appointments. Thanks, k! It worked.

To more improvements and discharges!

xo
dd





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Re: update on my vertigo -- Archive in monooly. HOLISTIC!

Posted by dd [11114.4570] on July 11, 2008 at 19:16:03:

In Reply to: Re: update on my vertigo -- Archive in monooly. HOLISTIC! posted by Walt Stoll [93.3349] on July 11, 2008 at 07:50:04:

Thanks Walt. Yeah, I remember that fight between my ex and my
brother (chiro and MD) before my brother woke up to the truth. My
ex-husband used to tell me the stories about the struggles that the
profession had to just be taken seriously. Things have come a long
way when you think about it. If you want to look at it in a positive
light, the public sure has gotten more of the picture since almost
everyone I run into has a holistic practitioner of some sort these
days. People ARE starting to at least plant their new seed, thanks to
folks like you that are out there educating others.
It must have been maddening for you even just 20 years back. But
you know what? You can't control it and it is their journey, their lack
of awakening. You don't have to be angry about it anymore. You
have moved on and more of us are moving on than ever before and
taking responsibility for changing ourselves. It might seem like
small numbers, but the numbers are climbing. One day, somewhere
and somehow, the transformation will be finished.

Thanks Walt.

dd





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Re: update on my vertigo

Posted by k. [80.56] on July 11, 2008 at 23:58:14:

In Reply to: Re: update on my vertigo posted by dd [11114.4570] on July 11, 2008 at 15:44:03:


Awh shucks dd, I do look pretty cute if I do say so myself. Both my orthopedist and physical therapist saw my magnetic ankle bracelet this week and both really liked it. Ortho said he'd heard about people having it and they both were really excited about it.
If my foot is particularly hurting or uncomfortable and I put the bracelet on, I feel relief right away. The pain subsides, the swelling goes down and there is an overall better feeling. I think the circulation to the area is increased. So I wear it all the time except to sleep.

As for the pendant, I feel a calmness but also my digestive processes are highly activated, if you know what I mean. Various and sundry noises, some nausea, and most of all, I woke up looking thinner. Thought it was my imagination, but my mother's housekeeper was shocked and said how quickly I lost weight. Anyway, that's that for now...

So glad your body is making that much progress, it's incredible. I bet you are thrilled. Your body is really healing itself and you give me hope. It sounds like between Yurgen and the chiro and the massager, you're gonna be fixed up in no time. Yurgen sounds so good, you get three therapies - hands on, acup, and quantum - for the price of one, not bad at all! And I am glad my suggestion worked for the appointments.

And a very happy discharges to you too. :)

xo
k.


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Re: update on my vertigo -- Archive in monooly. HOLISTIC!

Posted by k. [80.56] on July 12, 2008 at 00:41:49:

In Reply to: Re: update on my vertigo -- Archive in monooly. HOLISTIC! posted by Walt Stoll [93.3349] on July 11, 2008 at 07:50:04:


I agree Walt about ChironDave. He is very knowledgeable, helpful, and professional. I really appreciate his presence (as well as yours and many others).


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Re: update on my vertigo

Posted by Walt Stoll [93.3349] on July 12, 2008 at 06:45:00:

In Reply to: Re: update on my vertigo posted by Charles [140.2996] on July 11, 2008 at 08:34:18:

Charles,

What have you learned about what I posted in the archives about the mechanism of production of the ganglion "cyst"?

Walt


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Re: update on my vertigo -- Archive in monooly. HOLISTIC!

Posted by Walt Stoll [93.3349] on July 12, 2008 at 07:04:46:

In Reply to: Re: update on my vertigo -- Archive in monooly. HOLISTIC! posted by dd [11114.4570] on July 11, 2008 at 19:16:03:

Thanks, dd.

I appreciate your support.

Walt


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Re: update on my vertigo

Posted by Charles [140.2996] on July 12, 2008 at 14:37:05:

In Reply to: Re: update on my vertigo posted by Walt Stoll [93.3349] on July 12, 2008 at 06:45:00:

Dr. Stoll, I haven't read anything about it, I just knew my wife had one and we were playing around I grabbed her right on the cyst and it burst. Her doctor had told her it was just filled with fluid.


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Posted by Charles [140.2996] on July 12, 2008 at 15:06:47:

In Reply to: Re: update on my vertigo posted by Charles [140.2996] on July 12, 2008 at 14:37:05:

Dr. Stoll, I looked but I really couldn't find much about a ganglion cyst.


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Re: update on my vertigo

Posted by Charles [140.2996] on July 12, 2008 at 15:12:37:

In Reply to: update on my vertigo posted by dd [11114.4570] on July 10, 2008 at 12:41:45:

Double D, this is where I think you should use tobacco to get the swelling to go down but it may work on the ganglion cyst as well. It would seem you probably have inflammation as well. It may seem crazy to you but this stuff will do things people can hardly believe.

"I have one area that is quite swollen up at the base of my
left side of my neck, and she said that it was from all of the opening
of my upper and mid back, and well as my shoulder, but that the
neck had not been able to move itself as well. She believed this is
what is causing my vertigo."




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Re: update on my vertigo

Posted by dd [11114.4570] on July 12, 2008 at 18:43:24:

In Reply to: Re: update on my vertigo posted by Charles [140.2996] on July 11, 2008 at 08:34:18:

Hi Charles,

I have seen a specialist that works with musicians and had an MRI on
the wrist. The wrist was broken, and sheath of the tendon torn,
hence, the ganglion cyst. I went to see the specialist because kaiser
wanted to go in and just take it out, but I know that isn't always a
great thing to do, and isn't a cure a great deal of the time. The fluid
is synovial fluid. I did not feel good about the surgery, even though
the surgeon I met with said it was a piece of cake. I looked at her
and knew in my heart she was wrong. I got my test result and went
to the specialist, and he said no way for surgery. The cyst was
wrapped around a main vein in my wrist, up into my hand. In would
include micro surgery in cutting and repairing that vein. And, the
cyst is wrapped around all the fine motor nerves for the hand. Being
a violinist, he was not willing unless I began to experience a lack of
blood to the hand, which has not happened. The cyst goes up and
down in size and is not solid, although he said that it could solidify
and they often do. Anyway, finding the tear would be ideal, but he
was not sure where the fluid was coming from. Anyway, it isn't that
they cyst is inflamed, but that is a sac. The muscles and tendons
around it are in a long time pattern though and that has to change. I
personally won't be going after the cyst unless it presents further
problems. My goal is to unleash the bracing pattern that caused the
cyst.


dd


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Posted by dd [11114.4570] on July 12, 2008 at 18:47:49:

In Reply to: Re: update on my vertigo posted by k. [80.56] on July 11, 2008 at 23:58:14:

Makes me think about what I felt like when I came out of the MRI. I
felt really peaceful. It really centered me. I asked them when I came
out if other people mentioned feeling different and indeed they do.
There is something to it. Apparently, the magnetic pull in Cali is
almost at zero and that isn't supposed to be very healthy, or so I have
read several times.

Your instincts guide you!!

dd


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Re: update on my vertigo

Posted by Helena [7972.1544] on July 12, 2008 at 19:07:33:

In Reply to: update on my vertigo posted by dd [11114.4570] on July 10, 2008 at 12:41:45:

This gets even more interesting DD. Twice I've had the going freezing cold then violent shaking reaction you had, once after a cranial-osteopathic treatment and once after a cranio-sacral treatment, both times it happened about an hour after the treatments though so I was at home and very frightened. My husband thought I'd gone into shock but neither therapist was too concerned when I told them and simply told me to take Arnica tablets next time it happened. One of them was a brilliant therapist and could sort out all sorts of strange sensations by placing her hands on my head. She moved to a different country unfortunately and I haven't found anyone else like her since.

Almost the reverse once happened too, on a day when I had a chiropractor's appointment already booked I was feeling dreadfully anxious verging on fear, sitting at work unable to do anything and shaking like a leaf for absolutely no reason. The chiro adjusted my mid shoulder area and immediately my body relaxed and I felt normal again. I think that must have been vagus nerve involvement.

When you got vertigo as the massage therapist was treating your upper left arm I wonder if it was caused by the scm muscle on that side. That can certainly cause vertigo and nausea and the same chiro used ultrasound on my right scm once when it was in spasm, to stop those sensations. I'm just trying to work out the physical connections here.

Sometimes now I can get into a deep enough state of relaxation to feel a particular muscle in my neck relax, but only in my neck and not often enough!

There was something else I was going to say but my mind has gone blank! I'll be back when I remember, meanwhile best of luck with this.





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Re: update on my vertigo

Posted by dd [11114.4570] on July 12, 2008 at 19:26:41:

In Reply to: Re: update on my vertigo posted by Helena [7972.1544] on July 12, 2008 at 19:07:33:

Hi Helena,

I just looked up scm muscle, and those are the muscles on the neck.
Are you saying they connect to the front of the arm?

The scm muscles on my neck are over developed, although have
atrophied some since stopping playing. They are what we use to
hold our instruments, along with our head weight. This is really
interesting to me, because I had been massaging that muscle
vigorously in the weeks right before the onset of this vertigo and
prior to the movement of my back, shoulder and neck! And, there is
another muscle I found, very deep to the side of the main neck artery
(not close at all), and under the scm. I am not sure what it is called.
Very deep and very hard thin muscle, which felt so good when I
massaged it. It is REALLY tight. Obviously, all of this is connected.

You were experiencing trauma release at home. Scary, isn't it? It
feels so out of control. I have to look up vagus nerve too. It is really
good to discuss all this with others that have been through similar
situations. It gives me a feeling that everything will be fine.

Let me know what you were thinking when you remember.

dd





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Re: update on my vertigo

Posted by Charles [140.2996] on July 12, 2008 at 20:03:14:

In Reply to: Re: update on my vertigo posted by dd [11114.4570] on July 12, 2008 at 19:26:41:

I don't know what is causing your shaking uncontrolably but the same thing happens to me when cold air hits me when I don't have anything on my head.


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Posted by Charles [140.2996] on July 12, 2008 at 20:05:51:

In Reply to: Re: update on my vertigo posted by dd [11114.4570] on July 12, 2008 at 18:43:24:

Double D, there is no telling what our body can do when it is really stimulated.


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Re: update on my vertigo

Posted by k. [80.56] on July 12, 2008 at 22:54:03:

In Reply to: Re: update on my vertigo posted by dd [11114.4570] on July 12, 2008 at 18:47:49:


There are supposed to be certain places like Sedona Arizona and somewhere in Hawaii, where the electromagnetic forces within the earth are very strong and it generates a really peaceful feeling. Consequentially, people gravitate to the area (pardon the pun). It would be nice to experience, and maybe even cheaper than those dang MRI's. :) But that's good that you could turn an MRI into a positive experience. For the clostrophobic, of which there are many, it's hell. :)

k.


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Re: update on my vertigo

Posted by Walt Stoll [93.3349] on July 13, 2008 at 07:15:48:

In Reply to: Re: update on my vertigo posted by Charles [140.2996] on July 12, 2008 at 15:06:47:

Sorry, Charles, Mea Culpa. I thought I had archived this.

A ganglion cyst is not really a true cyst. It is only a bulging of the tissue from leakage of a small tear in the tendon sheath in the area. The tear is the pathology. Look up the anatomy of the tendons which all have a sheath around them that secretes a lubricating fluid to help the tendon move frictionlessly. Then let us know what you have learned towards what you are asking.

Hope this helps.

Walt


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Re: update on my vertigo

Posted by Charles [140.2996] on July 13, 2008 at 09:52:28:

In Reply to: Re: update on my vertigo posted by Walt Stoll [93.3349] on July 13, 2008 at 07:15:48:

Dr. Stoll, I know tobacco has chemicals that make up tannins and tannins can strengthen our body tissue, I've seen it. I would also say they can strengthen our blood vessels because of this.
Anticapillary-Fragility 20-100 mg orl man

"Tannins are astringent, bitter plant polyphenols that either bind and precipitate or shrink proteins. The astringency from the tannins is what causes the dry and puckery feeling in the mouth following the consumption of red wine, strong tea, or an unripened fruit.[1] The term tannin refers to the use of tannins in tanning animal hides into leather; however, the term is widely applied to any large polyphenolic compound containing sufficient hydroxyls and other suitable groups (such as carboxyls) to form strong complexes with proteins and other macromolecules."

Who's to say they can't seal this leakage up or help the body do it?

I think DD needs to do something as what I read says the fluid will calcisify, which is what my wifes' did but hers' is quite small.

Aspiration. If the ganglion causes a great deal of pain or severely limits activities, the fluid may be drained from it. This procedure is called "aspiration." The area around the ganglion cyst is numbed and the cyst is punctured with a needle so that the fluid drains away.

I've seen tobacco make a womans' body eject hair from a pilonidal cyst that looked like a hernia. I have pictures of it if you would like to seem them. She said it looked like a large scab but when she pulled it off, it was a large clump of hairs. This womans' cyst was getting much better, going down in size yet she let people talk her into having surgery and she has had it burst open on her three times. The body can do AMAZING things when it is stimulated.


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Re: update on my vertigo

Posted by Helena [3953.1544] on July 13, 2008 at 14:18:52:

In Reply to: Re: update on my vertigo posted by dd [11114.4570] on July 12, 2008 at 19:26:41:

Hi dd,

You're braver than I am - I'm nervous of massaging those muscles around the neck and throat, but once had a trigger point massage and the therapist pulled the scms out and rolled them between her fingers!

I thought of the scm because that has certainly caused some of my dizziness and nausea and is often mentioned in connection with dizziness if it has trigger points, but looking at charts no it doesn't connect to the arm. I have found though that if the fascia is disturbed anywhere around my upper arms and shoulders I can become dizzy. I'm going to add some links I have which may help explain the problems caused by tight muscles in this area and may show the other one you found.

I'm not sure how to add several links so you'll probably have to cut and paste - sorry!

http://www.round-earth.com/HeadPainIntro.html
This page mentions violin playing as causing problems in the digastric muscles, but I'd guess the scm and scalenes would also suffer as well as others round the shoulder.

http://www.round-earth.com/SCM.html

http://www.round-earth.com/ShoulderPainIntro.html
This shows muscles of the shoulder girdle

http://www.pressurepointer.com/pain_reference_chart.htmIf you click on the muscles you'll see where they are, where they refer pain and what else they can cause

http://www.amtamassage.org/journal/fall02_journal/scalenes.html
Click on link at end of article for the scalenes. I have Clair Davies' book and while difficult to follow his self-treatment protocol, it is very interesting and has explained a lot of things to me. If he's to be believed I have problems in just about every muscle in my body :(((

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/articlerender.fcgi?artid=1769463

It's really good for me too to read other people's experiences with this. I hope we all find a permanent solution soon.




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Re: update on my vertigo

Posted by dd [11114.4570] on July 13, 2008 at 14:59:10:

In Reply to: Re: update on my vertigo posted by Helena [3953.1544] on July 13, 2008 at 14:18:52:

Hi Helena,

I haven't yet looked at your links, but wanted to tell you what I
experienced this morning.

My shoulder that opened up is really nagging at me and wants to
close back up. I am fighting to keep it open. I massage the neck, and
all the arm muscles, as well as I can, each day. I am not frightened
of it because it has to happen, or else I will stay closed down. I am
looking at this as a transition to my freedom.

This morning I could feel the beginnings of the vertigo, very mild,
but there. So, I turned into the vertigo instead of away from it, and
met it on the edge, where I would go into it if I rolled any further to
the left. I just stayed there and went into the energy of it with my
eyes closed for a few minutes and then I could feel the energy
connected to it. Definitely my shoulder and upper arm. So, I very
slowly did stretches in various ways until I could allow the energy in
the arm to leave the arm. The vertigo left me. The arm is really sore.

I think energetically, this whole thing is teaching me a great deal
about the way we run away from the problem, out of fear, which is
understandable, instead of meeting with the problem, face to face.
Energetically speaking. I'm going to keep up with this throughout
the day. I can also feel my shoulder not happy as I am typing this. I
have come to understand that being on the computer is NOT good
for my issues.

I just looked closely at your links. Thanks. I will read through those
in spurts today. I have no idea what those muscles are that you
speak of in regards to the violinist issues. Thanks for the heads up!!

dd


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Re: update on my vertigo

Posted by dd [11114.4570] on July 13, 2008 at 15:08:00:

In Reply to: Re: update on my vertigo posted by Charles [140.2996] on July 13, 2008 at 09:52:28:

The problem with aspiration is that it does not address the cause.
And since my cyst gets bigger and smaller, obviously the tear is still
there, hence, aspiration will not stop the fluid from refilling the sac.

Believe me Charles, all of this has been looked at over the years.
This isn't new for me and I have looked at all the options that they
know of. I could have surgery and repair the tear, if they can find it,
and that would be the best approach, IMO, of everything they have
offered.

I have NO idea what tabacco would do. But, I do have doubts that it
would heal up the tear, and to be honest, even though there might be
healing properties from tobacco, I would rather try other healing
techniques first. Tobacco is used as a pesticide. I am not
comfortable with that.

dd


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Meant to say nicotine is used as a pesticide. NMI

Posted by dd [11114.4570] on July 13, 2008 at 15:09:42:

In Reply to: Re: update on my vertigo posted by dd [11114.4570] on July 13, 2008 at 15:08:00:

NMI


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Re: update on my vertigo

Posted by Charles [140.2996] on July 13, 2008 at 16:35:07:

In Reply to: Re: update on my vertigo posted by dd [11114.4570] on July 13, 2008 at 15:08:00:

Double D, do you ever eat apples?

A herbicide is used to kill unwanted plants. Selective herbicides kill specific targets while leaving the desired crop relatively unharmed. Some of these act by interfering with the growth of the weed and are often based on plant hormones. Herbicides used to clear waste ground are nonselective and kill all plant material with which they come into contact. Some plants produce natural herbicides, such as the genus Juglans (walnuts). They are applied in total vegetation control (TVC) programs for maintenance of highways and railroads. Smaller quantities are used in forestry, pasture systems, and management of areas set aside as wildlife habitat.

Herbicides are widely used in agriculture and in landscape turf management. In the U.S., they account for about 70% of all agricultural pesticide use.[1]

Here is what is in an apple.
Herbicide IC100-2,000 uM

I don't know if you have ever seen this list, it comes from a usda website. Most of these are things tobacco has been used to treat. If tobacco wasn't antiseptic, people couldn't keep it in their mouth.

TOBACCO (Nicotiana Tabacum)

ACTIVITIES

Acaricide, Anodyne, Anorectic, Anticonvulsant, Antidote, Antispamodic, Cathartic, Stimulant, Convulsant, Depressant, Discutient, Diuretic, Emetic, Expectorant, Febrifuge, Fumitory, Hemostat, Hypertensive, Hypotensive, Intoxicant, Larvicide, Laxative, Molluscicide, Narcotic, Parasiticide, Piscicide, Poison, Psychdelic, Purgative, Respirostimulant, Edative, Sialogogue, Vermifuge.

INDICATIONS

Ague, Angina, Asthma, Backache, Bile, Bite, Bleeding, Boil, Bruise, Cancer, Cancer colon, Cancer nose, Carcinoma, Caries, Catarrh, Childbirth, Cholecocystosis, Cirrhosis, Debility, Dermatosis, Diarrhea, Dropsy, Dysentery, Earache, Epistaxis, Fever, Flu, Gastrosis, Headache, Headcold, Hernia, Lethargy, Lice, Lumbago, Malaria, Mange, Menorrhagia, Nausea, Neuralgia, Ophthalmia, Pain, Paralysis, Paraste, Pediculosis, Polyp, Rheumatism, Rhinosis, Scabies, Scirrhus, Scrofula, Snakebite, Sore, Spasm, Sting, Stomachache, Swelling, Syncope, Tetanus, Toothache, Tuberculosis, Tumor, Ulcer, Vertigo, Wart, Worm, Wound.

:)



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Re: update on my vertigo

Posted by Charles [140.2996] on July 13, 2008 at 16:59:30:

In Reply to: Re: update on my vertigo posted by Charles [140.2996] on July 13, 2008 at 16:35:07:

Are you taking anything for your vertigo?

Chemicals with Antivertigo Activity

ATROPINE
HYOSCYAMINE
NIACIN
PYRIDOXINE
SCOPOLAMINE 500 ug/3-days/transdermal

I don't think nicotine is the bad boy in tobacco, I think it is Oxalic Acid.

Yeah, nicotine has been used as pesticides and herbicides but it has its' own antidote. The medical profession doesn't tell people that.

NICOTINE Leaf 20,000 - 40,000 ppm
Addictive; Analgesic 2 mg/kg ipr mus; Anorectic; ANS-Paralytic; ANS-Stimulant; Antiestrogenic; Antifeedant; Antifumitory; Cardiovascular 0.25 mg/kg ivn dog; Cholinergic; Dopaminigenic; Ectoparasiticide; Epinephrininergic; Herbicide IC57=5 mM; Hyperglycemic; Insecticide IC100=1,000 ppm; Nematistat; Neurotoxic; Pesticide; Serotoninergic; Tranquilizer

NICOTINIC-ACID Leaf:
Antichilblain 50 mg/3x/day; AntiCrohn's; Antidote (pesticides); Antischizophrenic; Antithyrotoxic; Choleretic; Hypocholesterolemic 1-6 g/man/day; Hypoglycemic; Insulinase-Inhibitor; Insulinotonic; Lipolytic

OXALIC-ACID Leaf:
Acaricide; Antiseptic; CNS-Paralytic; Fatal; Hemostatic; Irritant; Pesticide; Renotoxic; Varroacide

Unfortunately peppers, bananas, cashews, cabbage, beets, oats and others have more oxalic acid in them than tobacco. :)


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Re: update on my vertigo

Posted by Charles [140.2996] on July 13, 2008 at 17:13:56:

In Reply to: Re: update on my vertigo posted by Charles [140.2996] on July 13, 2008 at 16:59:30:

I would tell you to eat more pepper it is one of the plants higher in niacin but dang, it has oxalic acid in it. :)

JPWY


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Re: update on my vertigo

Posted by VF [4572.4274] on July 13, 2008 at 17:19:49:

In Reply to: Re: update on my vertigo posted by Charles [140.2996] on July 13, 2008 at 17:13:56:

as much as green leafy veggies??


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Re: update on my vertigo

Posted by Charles [140.2996] on July 13, 2008 at 18:10:34:

In Reply to: Re: update on my vertigo posted by VF [4572.4274] on July 13, 2008 at 17:19:49:

MORE! Tobacco is NOT even in the top 40 so it would be easier to take the pure stuff out of these plants because they have more of it.

Plants Containing OXALIC ACID
Ordered by quantity

Species Part Quantity Reference
Chenopodium album L. -- Lambsquarter Plant 300,000 ppm DUKE1992A
Fagopyrum esculentum MOENCH. -- Buckwheat Leaf 111,000 ppm DUKE1992A
Averrhoa carambola L. -- Carambola, Star Fruit Fruit 50,000-95,800 ppm JFM
Piper nigrum L. -- Black Pepper, Pepper, White Pepper Fruit 34,000 ppm DUKE1992A
Portulaca oleracea L. -- Purslane, Verdolaga Plant 16,790 ppm DUKE1992A
Papaver somniferum L. -- Opium Poppy, Poppyseed Poppy Seed 16,200 ppm DUKE1992A
Byrsonima crassifolia HBK. -- Nance Bark 0-27,300 ppm JFM
Rheum rhabarbarum L. -- Rhubarb Pt 13,360 ppm DUKE1992A
Leaf 11,000 ppm DUKE1992A
Camellia sinensis (L.) KUNTZE -- Tea Leaf 10,000 ppm DUKE1992A
Lactuca virosa L. -- Bitter Lettuce Latex Exudate 10,000 ppm DUKE1992A
Spinacia oleracea L. -- Spinach Leaf 6,580 ppm DUKE1992A
Murraya sp -- None Fruit 5,240 ppm DUKE1992A
Musa x paradisiaca L. -- Banana, Plantain Fruit 5,240 ppm DUKE1992A
Theobroma cacao L. -- Cacao Seed 5,000 ppm DUKE1992A
Zingiber officinale ROSCOE -- Ginger Rhizome 5,000 ppm DUKE1992A
Prunus dulcis (MILLER) D. A. WEBB -- Almond Seed 4,073 ppm DUKE1992A
Anacardium occidentale L. -- Cashew Seed 3,184 ppm DUKE1992A
Rumex acetosa L. -- Garden Sorrel Leaf 3,000 ppm DUKE1992A
Tamarindus indica L. -- Indian Tamarind, Kilytree, Tamarind Leaf 1,960 ppm DUKE1992A
Colocasia esculenta (L.) SCHOTT -- Taro Root 1,334 ppm DUKE1992A
Brassica juncea (L.) CZERNJ. & COSSON -- Mustard Greens Leaf 1,287 ppm DUKE1992A
Capsicum annuum L. -- Bell Pepper, Cherry Pepper, Cone Pepper, Green Pepper, Paprika, Sweet Pepper Fruit 1,171 ppm DUKE1992A
Ipomoea batatas (L.) LAM -- Sweet Potato Root 1,000 ppm DUKE1992A
Glycine max (L.) MERR. -- Soybean Seed 770 ppm DUKE1992A
Physalis ixocarpa BROT. -- Tomatillo Fruit 536 ppm DUKE1992A
Moringa oleifera LAM. -- Ben Nut, Benzolive Tree, Drumstick Tree, Horseradish Tree, Jacinto (Sp.), Moringa, West Indian Ben Fruit 0-1,010 ppm EB34:278
Leaf 0-1,010 ppm EB34:278
Beta vulgaris subsp. subsp. vulgaris -- Beet, Beetroot, Garden Beet, Sugar Beet Root 404 ppm DUKE1992A
Avena sativa L. -- Oats Plant 400 ppm DUKE1992A
Cucurbita pepo L. -- Pumpkin Juice 400 ppm DUKE1992A
Brassica oleracea var. capitata l. var. capitata L. -- Cabbage, Red Cabbage, White Cabbage Leaf 350 ppm DUKE1992A
Sechium edule (JACQ.) SW. -- Chayote Fruit 340 ppm DUKE1992A
Trichosanthes anguina L. -- Snakegourd Fruit 340 ppm DUKE1992A
Phaseolus vulgaris subsp. var. vulgaris -- Black Bean, Dwarf Bean, Field Bean, Flageolet Bean, French Bean, Garden Bean, Green Bean, Haricot, Haricot Bean, Haricot Vert, Kidney Bean, Navy Bean, Pop Bean, Popping Bean, Snap Bean, String Bean, Wax Bean Fruit 312 ppm DUKE1992A
Mangifera indica L. -- Mango Fruit 300 ppm DUKE1992A
Solanum melongena L. -- Aubergine, Eggplant Fruit 291 ppm DUKE1992A
Vigna mungo (L.) HEPPER -- Black Gram Seed 278 ppm DUKE1992A
Lycopersicon esculentum MILLER -- Tomato Fruit 263 ppm DUKE1992A
Lens culinaris MEDIK. -- Lentil Seed 212 ppm DUKE1992A
Pastinaca sativa L. -- Parsnip Root 205 ppm DUKE1992A
Ribes nigrum L. -- Black Currant Fruit 200 ppm DUKE1992A
Manihot esculenta CRANTZ -- Cassava, Tapioca, Yuca

Isn't it funny how the medical profession forgets certain things? :)




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Re: update on my vertigo

Posted by Walt Stoll [93.3349] on July 14, 2008 at 06:34:24:

In Reply to: Re: update on my vertigo posted by Charles [140.2996] on July 13, 2008 at 09:52:28:

Thanks, Charles.

I do not know if you realize it but I have been watching your notes about the healing powers of tobacco. I have no personal experience with it and have been learning from the results others have obtained by following your recommendations. I still am witholding judgement.

Walt


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Re: update on my vertigo

Posted by Charles [140.2996] on July 14, 2008 at 07:48:45:

In Reply to: Re: update on my vertigo posted by Walt Stoll [93.3349] on July 14, 2008 at 06:34:24:

It's hard for people to believe that this substance that we have used for recreation can have the healing powers it does. Think about how much money it would cost the medical profession if people would use it to treat infections because I know it can immunize people whose genes are receptive to antigens. This may not be a lifetime immunization though, a person might need to be exposed periodically to keep the immunization. There are doctors who now believe stimualting the immune system is the best way to treat people.

Cancer
Cancer immunotherapy attempts to stimulate the immune system to reject and destroy tumors. BCG immunotherapy for early stage (non-invasive) bladder cancer utilizes instillation of attenuated live bacteria into the bladder, and is effective in preventing recurrence in up to two thirds of cases. Topical immunotherapy utilizes an immune enhancement cream (imiquimod) which is an interferon producer causing the patients own killer T cells to destroy warts, actinic keratoses, basal cell cancer, squamous cell cancer, cutaneous lymphoma, and superficial malignant melanoma. Injection immunotherapy uses mumps, candida or trichophytin antigen injections to treat warts (HPV induced tumors).

I know chemo or radiation is not for me. As fast as tobacco can make our body kill staph and strep makes me wonder if it wouldn't be able to handle HIV. When I bought my first computer and found Dr. Duke's site, there were only 3 chemicals in tobacco listed as immunostimulants, now they show 6.

Common sense tells me that if some people can use smokeless tobacco for 85-90 years, something is not right with what the medical profession is saying. It may be the type of tobacco or the type of curing. I think anyone who uses it that long should have oral cancer if it truely is the cause.

If people really want to know about tobacco, they should look up the patents on the chemicals in tobacco, especially nicotinic acid, 514/356. The US Patent Office has 2 separate listings for nicotinic acid. There used to be a listing for nicotine, 424/266 but they did away with it, I think after I filed a lawsuit against the AMA saying they were not telling the American people the truth about tobacco, heart attacks and strokes. Perhaps if you find the time sometime, you might want to look at the link below. Just scroll down to what you want to look at, click go and when the next screen comes up, scroll down until you find nicotiana tabacum and hit details. He lists a LOT of plants and there are a lot that have more chemicals but I don't know of any other plants' chemicals that have the ability to enter our body other than through the mouth, tobaccos' can from any place on our body. To me that is very important. If you would like to see the pictures of womans' pilonidal cyst and the hairs that came out, just let me know and I will send them to Bill. You can't tell they are hairs, it looks like a big black scab but in her e-mail she plainly says they are a glob of hairs.



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Re: update on my vertigo

Posted by Helena [2146.1544] on July 14, 2008 at 09:42:29:

In Reply to: Re: update on my vertigo posted by dd [11114.4570] on July 13, 2008 at 14:59:10:

Working into the vertigo is something I haven't tried except for when I had caloric tests (warm then cold water in the ear to see if the eyes spin and in which direction). I'll try to work into it next time it happens like that but I seldom get any dizziness when lying down now, although I used to often before I had my neck adjusted. When I wake up I always spend a while doing a body scan and trying to relax any tight muscles and it's been then that I've been able to shift tension and unwind a particular area - but isn't it crazy to wake up in an non-relaxed state!

Using computers too much is definitely not good and I'm careful to keep my 'mouse' arm and shoulder relaxed properly and not twist my other shoulder. I also find the correct chair for the pc is important to keep the pelvis aligned with the spine. I was working at a pc all day when this started and I know now that it made it so much worse.

Yesterday I didn't feel too good so decided to do some gardening. I knelt on a mat, then as I pulled the weeds I slowly stretched out and worked my back and neck as if I was doing the cat pose in Yoga. I took about half an hour and it stretched and relaxed my entire spine and I felt so much better and still do today. It's also a good way of exercising in the fresh air without eliciting comments from family and anyone else who can see ;)


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Posted by dd [11114.4570] on July 14, 2008 at 14:08:29:

In Reply to: Re: update on my vertigo posted by Helena [2146.1544] on July 14, 2008 at 09:42:29:

Hi Helena,

Thanks again for the links. I just got through reading the Clair
Davies article and bookmarked the others for later. That is a great
article. I would have to say that this speaks to my frustrations with
the dentists I have seen, and docs, and even the holistic people that
just couldn't put all this stuff together. And it seems so SIMPLE,
doesn't it? Common sense. Like her describing how the jaw
"somehow" adjusted itself after massaging the ball of tension on her
neck. But, why isn't this stuff more integrated into mainstream? It
doesn't seem that complicated.

Anyway, thanks!

I have had the most amazing few days. I worked a great deal on my
left arm and shoulder yesterday and the day before. LOL..my arm
looks like someone has beaten me. I am also working on my mid
back and stretching my legs a LOT. My vertigo seems to be gone. I
can feel a bit of strangeness still, associated with the left side of my
head, but this morning all of it became clear, what has happened.
My entire structure is realigning. In the middle of the night I turned
over and my entire structure, which has had a torqued feeling for
years, adjusted in several locations, releasing the torque. It was
AMAZING!!!! After all these years. My cranials shifted this morning
again, so did my neck, and my left knee adjusted itself when I
stretched this morning. God....finally. It is all unleashing itself.

When I got out of bed, I could feel that my head and upper body was
centered further back, over my hips, and my mid back was much
freer than it has been since the car accident. My whole structure is
finding its' center. It has been a LONG time since I have felt that
true centeredness. I thought that my back had arthritis from all of
this stuff, slightly, but what I am finding is that the discs are mobile.
They were just being held prisoner. The pelvis being aligned with
the spine has been gone for me for a LONG time. Sitting on horrible
chairs, not having a choice in the matter at work, and having the
head forward on the instrument..well, after many years of that and a
car accident, it just was gone. But it is BACK! I am so happy.

Needless to say, my mood is so different. I am so much lighter and
happier. So, the vertigo was a symptom of everything shifting. Not
hormonal after all. This is huge for me. It has taken me years!

Your description of working in the garden made me laugh. The part
about not having to field family comments. So true. :-) Have fun!

dd


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Re: update on my vertigo

Posted by k. [80.56] on July 15, 2008 at 03:05:38:

In Reply to: Re: update on my vertigo posted by dd [11114.4570] on July 14, 2008 at 14:08:29:


dd, in reading about your realignment it made me wonder if you have ever done yoga? That and qi gong might really be helpful too.

k.


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Posted by dd [11114.4570] on July 15, 2008 at 16:12:24:

In Reply to: Re: update on my vertigo posted by k. [80.56] on July 15, 2008 at 03:05:38:

Hi k,

I have been told many times that yoga would help. And Yurgen told
me that he wanted me to do yoga as well, but only after my system
had calmed down and released muscularly. My muscular pattern is
pretty intense. Today I got even more release in my shoulders and
upper back. This is truly amazing what is happening. More and
more every day. I can even sit and do SR more easily, even with my
tendons not functioning, which means I am finding true balance.
This is exciting for me. Have you decided what you will do?

You know, you should call Yurgen and talk with him and ask him
what he thinks, whether or not he can help you. Or email him. He
might be able to give you some really good advice on your next step.
I say that because so far, he has been on the money with me, even
though it took time.
??

dd


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Re: update on my vertigo

Posted by Helena [8112.1544] on July 15, 2008 at 23:11:16:

In Reply to: Re: update on my vertigo posted by dd [11114.4570] on July 14, 2008 at 14:08:29:

Hi dd,

I love Clair Davies' book, it explains so many things which so many 'specialists' have misunderstood in my case.

It's fantastic that your body is realigning itself in this way and I understand so well the torqued feeling you mention. What was the catalyst? Was it the bodywork you had, or your own work, or an accumulation of SR? I've tried for so long to sort my body out, because I know it's possible to heal oneself, but it's only recently that things have started to shift very slowly.

I must say that I noticed a huge change a short while after starting thyroid hormones 6 years ago. Suddenly my body began to feel much more stable. My thyroid tests had all been normal for years but I was diagnosed on symptoms and the fact that I'd had mononucleosis and chicken pox as an adult, both of which can apparently affect the HPA axis. After a while I was also prescribed Cortef for my adrenals, which didn't seem to make much difference for the 3 years I took it, but then things went haywire when I started to lower it last year. I finally stopped it 3 months ago and am having some ups and downs, but in between things are definitely slowly altering. So I guess there is a hormonal element in my case, but I'm determined to sort this out as naturally as possibly now.

It's great to know that you think the vertigo you had was a symptom of things shifting - I had many a useless conversation with a neurologist along those lines when this started!

Best of luck!



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Re: update on my vertigo

Posted by k. [80.56] on July 16, 2008 at 00:11:34:

In Reply to: Re: update on my vertigo posted by dd [11114.4570] on July 15, 2008 at 16:12:24:


Hi dd,

First off, I am so glad to hear about your progress today. That is wonderful news, keep up the great work! It makes sense what you were told about the yoga, because there are a lot of stretches and things and you do want the cement on your new foundation to harden first. :)

To answer your question I haven't made a definitive decision yet, because being uninsured is causing a problem. I have referrals for a podiatrist and an orthopedist, but have not made any appointments. I do have another acupuncture appointment for Thursday and I am keeping that. After hearing you talk, perhaps the 6 acupuncture sessions I've had just haven't been enough time to heal me. I am dying to talk to Yurgen, thanks, that's a really good idea and I have been thinking about it, so I guess I will give him a call. It's so reassuring that you're having such success with him.

Anyway, I just spent 20 minutes looking for Yurgen's number and can't find it. Would you mind posting it again, I'd really appreciate it? Normally I'm pretty organized, but I am staying with a relative and I still have lots of stuff at home as well. And my schedule is insane, for example, last week I went to physical therapy twice, and had an appointment with my existing orthopedist. Today I had an appointment to be tortured at the obgyn, Thursday I go for a consult about having my wisdom tooth removed and then from there go to see my acupuncturist, Friday I have an appointment with my internist, and finally next week I start back up with physical therapy again. Yikes.

~
k.




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Re: update on my vertigo

Posted by dd [11114.4570] on July 16, 2008 at 18:14:02:

In Reply to: Re: update on my vertigo posted by k. [80.56] on July 16, 2008 at 00:11:34:

Hey k,

See my post to you on the one up above..questions for dd from you.


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