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Another NHS Testimony

Posted by ukchris [10820.8189] on September 28, 2009 at 10:43:08:

This time dentistry...

Time line:

10pm last night - took swig from a glass bottle, was knocked by someone gesticulating, and front tooth filling from a childhood accident was knocked out

8am: called dentist, booked appointment

This afternoon my filling was repaired, and the cost was less than equivalent of $100.

Thanks again, NHS.

:)

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Re: Another NHS Testimony

Posted by Fork in the Road [358.8192] on September 28, 2009 at 12:41:23:

In Reply to: Another NHS Testimony posted by ukchris [10820.8189] on September 28, 2009 at 10:43:08:

Good for you.

Here, dental care is NOT included in any plan of Obama care.

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Re: Another NHS Testimony

Posted by ukchris [10820.8189] on September 28, 2009 at 12:43:06:

In Reply to: Re: Another NHS Testimony posted by Fork in the Road [358.8192] on September 28, 2009 at 12:41:23:

Yeah, it's not available in Canada either. Perhaps it should be.

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Re: Another NHS Testimony

Posted by Jan DeCourtney, CMT (Happygal) [7244.8178] on September 28, 2009 at 13:36:38:

In Reply to: Re: Another NHS Testimony posted by ukchris [10820.8189] on September 28, 2009 at 12:43:06:

Hi,

I would personally like to see both dental care and eye care included in the health plan.

Best wishes,
Jan

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Re: Another NHS Testimony

Posted by Hope [9735.8198] on September 28, 2009 at 15:26:11:

In Reply to: Re: Another NHS Testimony posted by Jan DeCourtney, CMT (Happygal) [7244.8178] on September 28, 2009 at 13:36:38:

Yes dental for sure. Very few people seem to realize how important proper dental care is. It is amazing to see this in children and in animals :(

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Re: Another NHS Testimony -- Thanks Hope. -- Archive.

Posted by Walt Stoll [93.7902] on September 28, 2009 at 15:40:42:

In Reply to: Re: Another NHS Testimony posted by Hope [9735.8198] on September 28, 2009 at 15:26:11:

Hope.

Within the past 10 years it has been proven that dental and gum health is KEY to general health. However, you can just hear the Republicans having a fit if it was included in any health plan. Of course, since they are still living in the 19th century....

The vicious right has publically stated that they want to keep things like they were 100+ ago while the democrats are trying to get to the 21st century before it gets to us.

Walt

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Re: Another NHS Testimony -- Thanks Hope. -- Archive.

Posted by Hope [9735.8198] on September 28, 2009 at 15:59:15:

In Reply to: Re: Another NHS Testimony -- Thanks Hope. -- Archive. posted by Walt Stoll [93.7902] on September 28, 2009 at 15:40:42:

It breaks my heart the level of utter selfishness in this country. I simply do not understand why anyone would want to prevent our citizens from being healthy, happy, and with less worry. Better yet, I do not understand how ANYONE could support the insurance companies. They would screw any of us at any moment....

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Re: Another NHS Testimony

Posted by AD [12211.7737] on September 28, 2009 at 18:51:34:

In Reply to: Another NHS Testimony posted by ukchris [10820.8189] on September 28, 2009 at 10:43:08:

With the free market operating here in the US, a front tooth filling replacement would probably cost much less at one's regular dentist than $100. And with our EXCELLENT dentists here, the situation probably wouldn't have arisen in the first place as it's almost unheard of a filling to come out.

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Re: Another NHS Testimony

Posted by ukchris [10820.8189] on September 28, 2009 at 19:25:16:

In Reply to: Re: Another NHS Testimony posted by AD [12211.7737] on September 28, 2009 at 18:51:34:

I've spoken to three different dentists who said front filling are notorious for coming out. I was meant to have it replaced anyway when I was older (since teeth grow through childhood to adulthood), but they advised against it unless/until it was necessary. The time came.

The filling did actually cost less than $100, but I paid extra for priority treatment. I could also have gone to a dentist training school for free, but I'd prefer an expert if I can afford it.

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Re: Another NHS Testimony -- Thanks Hope. -- Archive.

Posted by Fork in the Road [358.8192] on September 29, 2009 at 08:25:56:

In Reply to: Re: Another NHS Testimony -- Thanks Hope. -- Archive. posted by Walt Stoll [93.7902] on September 28, 2009 at 15:40:42:

Walt,

For some reason when someone says they are against this government option plan, the best argument supporters of it can come up with is if you are against it, you must be against all health care reform and want to keep the current system. That's like saying if you are against the death penalty then you must be against all forms of combating crime and punishing criminals. The supporters of the government option do not understand that eventually there will be no option. The government option will compete with the private sector. The private sector has to run their business for a profit to stay in business. The government can run their business for a loss indefinitely until their competitor goes broke and out of business. So, where is the option then? The whole system is not so bad that it has to be totally scrapped and replaced with a system that has failed everywhere in the world, just tweaked. Fix the issues of cost and accessibility, as well as tort reform, and a major part of the problem of health care will be solved.



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Re: Another NHS Testimony -- Thanks Hope. -- Archive.

Posted by craig [8177.8024] on September 29, 2009 at 09:14:55:

In Reply to: Re: Another NHS Testimony -- Thanks Hope. -- Archive. posted by Fork in the Road [358.8192] on September 29, 2009 at 08:25:56:

Are you guys aware how Obamacare is going to be paid for? $500 Billon right off the top of Medicare. Are you seniors ready for that?

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Re: Another NHS Testimony -- Thanks Hope. -- Archive.

Posted by craig [8177.8024] on September 29, 2009 at 09:17:37:

In Reply to: Re: Another NHS Testimony -- Thanks Hope. -- Archive. posted by Hope [9735.8198] on September 28, 2009 at 15:59:15:

"our citizens".....how do you feel bout the proposal to cover "illegals"? That's exactly what a group of Dems is demanding.
Just wondering.

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PRICE CONTROLS

Posted by samm [1003.2765] on September 29, 2009 at 10:08:08:

In Reply to: Re: Another NHS Testimony -- Thanks Hope. -- Archive. posted by Hope [9735.8198] on September 28, 2009 at 15:59:15:

I'm in favor of price controls so that the uninsured are not charged a huge amount more than the insured for identical hospital, lab, and doctors visits. If providers are willing to accept a certain amount for a service when you have blue cross, medicaid, or medicare, they should not charge more for that service when you have no insurance.
I buy an A1C test kit at Wal-mart for less than $10 and get results for my kids that are comparable to those hospital lab tests that range from $40 to $125, depending on which hospital.
I support logic. If we have a huge amount of waste, fraus and abuse in Medicare (and I believe we do-Obama is right about that), then let the government show how they can fix that. Let's have a one year push to FIX Medcare (and perhaps all the other gov't health programs -Medicaid, Fed Employees, VA). Make the existing gov't system work efficiently and honestly. Cpme back and show the public this mass of money that's been saved in the last year. Come back and tell us what you, the gov't has learned about running a health care system better than ever in the past-give us a reason to believe that the new system will be run without all the dishonesty and waste of the o;d system.
If a huge amount of saving can be had off of Medicare, it doesn't require waiting until any new bill is passed- DO IT NOW. Hey, dear gov't, impress us all with the money you save and watch your approval ratings shoot up? It would be a great way to gain supporters.

Of course, whether doctors make people healthy, happy, and having less worry, is a totally different subject for debate. I've been reading articles in science magazines lately questioning the value of early detection tests, for example, two large points are lack of greater longevity and the stress of large numbers of false positives.



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Re: PRICE CONTROLS

Posted by AT [11797.4426] on September 29, 2009 at 10:45:16:

In Reply to: PRICE CONTROLS posted by samm [1003.2765] on September 29, 2009 at 10:08:08:

False positives seem rather worthless as any kind of reliable test so why use them?

Perhaps the motivating force behind the completion of the H.C. bill is with regard to those who may be losing their life because of the deprivation of treatment. Waiting for proof could cost lives, not that I'm not sure any administration has ever made that their main concern.


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Re: PRICE CONTROLS

Posted by samm [1003.2765] on September 29, 2009 at 11:26:11:

In Reply to: Re: PRICE CONTROLS posted by AT [11797.4426] on September 29, 2009 at 10:45:16:

Whatever time it takes to pass a bill, it takes. Meanwhile, 9 months have gone by-how much has been saved in the improved management of Medicare or any other federal program in those 9 months? If billions of dollars are being wasted (and they probably is) those are dollars that could be used for sick and hungry people, so let's do it- the two issues can be worked separately, as no legislation is required to police waste, fraud, and abuse in existing programs.

Do you think passing the bill tomorrow would save any lives in the next year? No bill is promising instant implementation.
Have you looked at the number of deaths caused by medical errors vs. the deaths claimed to be caused by lack of insurance?

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Re: Another NHS Testimony -- Thanks Hope. -- Archive.

Posted by Hope [9735.8198] on September 29, 2009 at 11:42:21:

In Reply to: Re: Another NHS Testimony -- Thanks Hope. -- Archive. posted by craig [8177.8024] on September 29, 2009 at 09:17:37:

http://factcheck.org/



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Re: PRICE CONTROLS

Posted by Hope [9735.8198] on September 29, 2009 at 11:47:51:

In Reply to: PRICE CONTROLS posted by samm [1003.2765] on September 29, 2009 at 10:08:08:

Do the Wars in Iraq and Afghanistan upset you?

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Re: PRICE CONTROLS

Posted by AT [11797.4426] on September 29, 2009 at 12:33:35:

In Reply to: Re: PRICE CONTROLS posted by samm [1003.2765] on September 29, 2009 at 11:26:11:

It would definitely LOOK more sincere if the fraud was investigated immediately. I've thought a lot about that sort of thing since 60 MINUTES used to spot it in other ventures. Tracking down false "clinics" or padded fees must be too difficult or expensive but it would probably pay for itself in the long run. How many people can figure out the bazaar coding configurations....I know you've pointed that out also. I still want to know why they pay a big portion of those motorized carts!!!

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Re: PRICE CONTROLS

Posted by AT [11797.4426] on September 29, 2009 at 12:35:39:

In Reply to: Re: PRICE CONTROLS posted by samm [1003.2765] on September 29, 2009 at 11:26:11:

And another note: a friend was given some medical equipment through medicare. She unfortunately died soon afterward and the brand new stuff sits in her house and has probably been thrown out.

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Re: Another NHS Testimony -- Thanks Hope. -- Archive.

Posted by Walt Stoll [93.7902] on September 29, 2009 at 12:57:46:

In Reply to: Re: Another NHS Testimony -- Thanks Hope. -- Archive. posted by Fork in the Road [358.8192] on September 29, 2009 at 08:25:56:

Thanks, Fork.

What is your take about Medicare?

Walt

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Re: Another NHS Testimony -- Thanks Hope. -- Archive.

Posted by Walt Stoll [93.7902] on September 29, 2009 at 13:05:34:

In Reply to: Re: Another NHS Testimony -- Thanks Hope. -- Archive. posted by craig [8177.8024] on September 29, 2009 at 09:17:37:

Craig,

It is apparent that you do not work in the trenches of the primary care medical system! Do you not understand that all these indigent and illegal people are already being treated on the rest of our dimes. The medical system CANNOT turn away anyone who needs treatment no matter what their status. This will cointinue to be the same no matter what program is, or is not , passed.

Walt

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Re: PRICE CONTROLS

Posted by samm [1003.2765] on September 29, 2009 at 15:32:14:

In Reply to: Re: PRICE CONTROLS posted by Hope [9735.8198] on September 29, 2009 at 11:47:51:

national defense is a legitimate function of of the federal government (unlike most things they do). Whether these wars are necessary to our national defense is another question.
The Dems have been in charge for 8 months now. They haven't brought our soldiers home from either place. I hear they plan to leave Iraq. Are they bringing the soldiers fighting in Iraq home? Last I heard, no- they are sending them to Afghanistan (for the most part).
Does a Dem-controlled Senate, House of Representatives, and White House believe war in that part of the world is necessary to our national defense? I guess they must- they are still funding it.
Maybe part of it is that they are keeping soldiers in that part of the world for a future faceoff with Iran.

Do I think war is a good idea? No. Do I believe that both Bush and Obama and their advisors were/are privy to information about the situation that I don't have? Yes.
And that's as it should be-strategic info doesn't belong in the newspaper and news magazines that I read.

Do those wars upset me? no. I've given that worry to my elected representatives.
Do I worry that I may wind up riddled with cancer and destitute? no. If that problem happens 10 or 20 years down the road, I'd have the problems PLUS 10 or 20 years of worry, and the stress would increase the chances of my becoming sick.Likewise if it happens 3 weeks from now. Chronic worry is maladaptive.

So, there's my answer to your tangent- now, back to health care-why not use price controls to make health care affordable? Why not spend this time, while waiting to see which of competing health care bills and their hundreds of amendments get passed, fixing the system we already have in place- if taxpayer money is being wasted in the existing programs through waste, fraud, and abuse (and I think we both know it is) why not start saving now, regardless of what happens to the health care bills?-one is not dependent upon the other.



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Re: PRICE CONTROLS

Posted by samm [1003.2765] on September 29, 2009 at 15:43:34:

In Reply to: Re: PRICE CONTROLS posted by AT [11797.4426] on September 29, 2009 at 12:33:35:

agree- those motorized 'scooters' -one old guy told me his cost $7800!! They have two batteries, each costing several hundred dollars. I've seen old people using these things- no seatbelt, no basket for groceries or other things they might want to carry-they seem SO much less secure than a wheelchair. I would think a basic motorized wheelchair with basket would be a lot more practical, but I wuld also consider a normal wheelchair with no motor for the patient whose problems are in the lower body.

My MIL was 86 when she was riding her bicycle across a busy street and a pickup making a left turn hit her. She had the right of way. She refused an ambulance, a policeman gave her a ride home and she walked across the street and into her yard. Later her friends talked her into seeing a doctor- turned out her hip was broken. In the hospital, there was a bar above her bed and she was constantly strengthening her arms with it-kept her busy, engaged, and worked on her strength. Seemed like a good idea to me. When the hospital moved to a new uilding, they didn't have those bars over the beds. I think that was a real loss.
If a person has strength in their arms, they should be encouraged to use it, and a manual wheelchair is one way to do that. I think it benefits the patients' health as well as the taxpayers' pocketbook.

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Re: PRICE CONTROLS

Posted by samm [1003.2765] on September 29, 2009 at 15:51:51:

In Reply to: Re: PRICE CONTROLS posted by AT [11797.4426] on September 29, 2009 at 12:35:39:

hope they donated it to a charity or thrift store-thrift stores are how my family affords things from a video game machine to books and sweatshirts.

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Re: Another NHS Testimony -- Thanks Hope. -- Archive.

Posted by samm [1003.2765] on September 29, 2009 at 15:54:00:

In Reply to: Re: Another NHS Testimony -- Thanks Hope. -- Archive. posted by Walt Stoll [93.7902] on September 29, 2009 at 13:05:34:

so, they don't turn away the uninsured. So what's the problem?

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Re: Another NHS Testimony -- Thanks Hope. -- Archive.

Posted by samm [1003.2765] on September 29, 2009 at 15:58:30:

In Reply to: Re: Another NHS Testimony -- Thanks Hope. -- Archive. posted by craig [8177.8024] on September 29, 2009 at 09:17:37:

besides citizens and illegals, we have lots of legal immigrants in this country who are not citizens. My in-laws were both immigrants. One took citizenship, one did not. She lived here over 60 years with a green card, paid taxes, and received Medicare the 3 times between age 65 and 90 that she was willing to see a doctor.

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Re: PRICE CONTROLS

Posted by Hope [9735.8198] on September 29, 2009 at 16:16:23:

In Reply to: Re: PRICE CONTROLS posted by samm [1003.2765] on September 29, 2009 at 15:32:14:

Whoa. I think you had the tangent ;)

I was simply just trying to figure out why there was never any complaining on your side about the wasted money spent on war. Seems to me that you would have been more upset about money wasted to kill people than money wasted to heal people.

Just doesn't make sense to me.

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Posted by AT [11797.4426] on September 29, 2009 at 16:43:43:

In Reply to: Re: PRICE CONTROLS posted by samm [1003.2765] on September 29, 2009 at 15:43:34:

Your family has a strong independent attitude and I think it's great. But your husband got those genes, right?
My good friend needed a cart and made sure she paid for it herself. Have we lost that form of pride?


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Posted by Walt Stoll [93.7902] on September 29, 2009 at 16:47:36:

In Reply to: Re: Another NHS Testimony -- Thanks Hope. -- Archive. posted by samm [1003.2765] on September 29, 2009 at 15:54:00:

samm,

The problem is that the radical right is making a big deal about the Obama plan "covering" these people when they ALWAYS WILL BE COVERED ONE WAY OR ANOTHER for humanitarian reasons--since it is the only moral thing to do.

Walt

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Re: PRICE CONTROLS

Posted by samm [1003.2765] on September 29, 2009 at 16:49:25:

In Reply to: Re: PRICE CONTROLS posted by Hope [9735.8198] on September 29, 2009 at 16:16:23:

why would I complain about a non-health political issue here? This is a health board.

"money wasted to heal people."

um, no- the money wasted isn't healing anyone, it's just making greedy people rich.

and you still aren't addressing the issues raised about the health care sstem and ways to help it.



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Posted by samm [1003.2765] on September 29, 2009 at 16:57:46:

In Reply to: Re: Another NHS Testimony -- Thanks Hope. -- Archive. posted by Walt Stoll [93.7902] on September 29, 2009 at 16:47:36:

I totally agree in helping the poor for humanitarian reasons. If we are already DOING that, isn't it the Dems who are making a big deal about this by claiming we need to do something different?

The proposed new system has referred to MANDATORY screening and MANDATORY preventative care (to me, this means vaccines). I berlieve mammograms are harmful. I believe that vaccines are harmful. I've got no problem with providing them to poor people if they serve some placebo effect, but I don't care to have unhealthy things imposed upon myself and my family.

I also don't want to pay MORE for conventional medicine by being REQUIRED to buy health insurance. I am not wealthy. I want to continue to have money to pay for organic food, supplements, chiropractors, NDs and home birth midwives. The requirement for healthy people with alternative lifestyles to buy insurance will drain dollars away from the alternative health markety and hand it over to conventional medical providers, who seem to be less competent with each new generation of them.


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Posted by Charles [448.8156] on September 29, 2009 at 18:32:58:

In Reply to: Re: Another NHS Testimony -- Thanks Hope. -- Archive. posted by craig [8177.8024] on September 29, 2009 at 09:17:37:

I wonder how many illegal immigrants were turned away from ERs when Bush was president.

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Re: Another NHS Testimony -- Thanks Hope. -- Archive.

Posted by Charles [448.8156] on September 29, 2009 at 18:34:05:

In Reply to: Re: Another NHS Testimony -- Thanks Hope. -- Archive. posted by Walt Stoll [93.7902] on September 29, 2009 at 13:05:34:

He doesn't have a brain.

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Re: PRICE CONTROLS

Posted by Hope [9735.8198] on September 29, 2009 at 20:26:44:

In Reply to: Re: PRICE CONTROLS posted by samm [1003.2765] on September 29, 2009 at 16:49:25:

I am not attacking "you" nor am I debating "you". I am just trying to find out the reasoning behind your opinions. Remember, you replied to me first.

Also, War is a health issue. Just ask our soldiers and their families. Not to mention many people in this country who care. People seem to think that mental health isn't just as important as physical.

I would rather waste money healing people than waste it killng people. Unfortunately because of Iraq we have to waste it on both.

And I did address what I felt I needed to. Hence my posts :)

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Re: Another NHS Testimony -- Thanks Hope. -- Archive.

Posted by Medicare for all [8478.8055] on September 29, 2009 at 22:39:16:

In Reply to: Re: Another NHS Testimony -- Thanks Hope. -- Archive. posted by Fork in the Road [358.8192] on September 29, 2009 at 08:25:56:

I guess that's why republicans worked so hard to fix the issues of cost and accessibility when they were in power.

Insurance companies don't do anything, except take as much of your money as they can get away with. Why care about them being able to compete when it comes to our health?

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Posted by samm [1003.2765] on September 30, 2009 at 09:01:59:

In Reply to: Re: PRICE CONTROLS posted by Hope [9735.8198] on September 29, 2009 at 20:26:44:

no, we don't have to 'waste' money on healing people-the waste is money that doesn't help heal, so we want to cut out that particular bunch of expenditures-fraudulent billing of Medicare patients, for example, or duplication of services, unnecessary tests, or excessive medications that are doing patients more harm than good.

Whether money is being wasted on the wars (I notice you're only mentioning Iraq, perhaps given the Dems support of war in Afghanistan, though they're stull spending oney on Iraq) is a separate issue. Whether we get the most 'bang for our buck' in killing people, I haven't seen an analysis of-I expect WW2 was more economically efficient in the 'price per kill' but, then- everything's gone up-darned that inflation!

As for our soldiers and their families- we currently have a volunteer military-the soldiers enlisted, just like my father, uncles, husband, SIL, ad BILs did. It's an emplyment choice. All jobs have stresses-many physical laborers risking injury daily would consider a two hour commute in city traffic and an office job more stressful than what they've chosen to do.
When I lived in a city, one retired military man there was shot and killed in his job working in a convenience store. People get killed in my husband's current civilian career-he's had some close calls himself. That's the nature of work. My 5 uncles all survived WW2 and all became accountants. Four died early of heart attacks. The thinnest one died early of pancreatic cancer (we think it was all the saccarhin in his coffee). So, sedentary work and coffee breaks kill, too.
Life and work have stresses and dangers-so be it.


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Posted by samm [1003.2765] on September 30, 2009 at 09:08:11:

In Reply to: Re: PRICE CONTROLS posted by AT [11797.4426] on September 29, 2009 at 16:43:43:

my MIL actually had a wheelchair- she bought it herself out of a mail order catalogue after the broken hip-I think it cost about $200. The woman LOVED to shop-her house looked like a thrift store, with all she had brought home from those shops. After the broken hip, she gave up her bicycle and would push her wheelchair into town and fill it up with her purchases. If she tired, she could put her bags on the sidewalk and sit down in her chair for a rest. before continuing her walk pushing home her chair full of bags .
BTW, Medeicare was reimbursed for that particular set of expenses- hip operation to put in a pin, stay in rehab, by the car insurance company of the guy who hit her.

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Posted by AT [11797.4426] on September 30, 2009 at 09:26:13:

In Reply to: Re: PRICE CONTROLS posted by samm [1003.2765] on September 30, 2009 at 09:08:11:

Right there is why she living so long; a zest for life and activity.
I have a friend who works in auto insurance. This is another area of fraud but this time the consumer, not the agency. A lot of people collect for years after an accident and it's questionable whether it is really necessary.
I've often thought of how much of our income is spent on various insurances. It's major.

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Posted by samm [1003.2765] on September 30, 2009 at 09:36:48:

In Reply to: Re: PRICE CONTROLS posted by AT [11797.4426] on September 30, 2009 at 09:26:13:

I've always had the impression that whiplash was a dodge. After a car accident, I was sore all over with pain in the ribs increasing a few hours after the accident. A day later, I lay down in the bathtub to soak my aching body. When I tried to sit up, I couldn't. I guess I usually lead with my neck and shoulders getting up, but I couldn't make that work. I had to pull myself up completely with my hands and arms. I'm pretty sure I had whiplash at that point.
I didn't see a doctor, didn't get a neck brace, I just avoided lying down in the bathtub for the next few weeks.
The pains, stiffness and swelling all resolved themselves, as I went about doing most of my usual tasks (I didn't use my chain saw or axe during that whole period ,though-I felt my reaction time was too off for safety).

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Posted by AT [11797.4426] on September 30, 2009 at 09:45:17:

In Reply to: Re: PRICE CONTROLS posted by samm [1003.2765] on September 30, 2009 at 09:36:48:

You are an honest person who doesn't "use" the system.
My friend has a neighbor who has been on disability for twenty years but he has no trouble pulling his camper to the lake for the summer. I guess "those" muscles are still in good shape.
Some people are "allergic" to work. Is that a medical problem?
I wonder if there are steps in place to remove people from disability. I'm sure some injuries "resolve" as yours did.

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Posted by samm [1003.2765] on September 30, 2009 at 10:27:14:

In Reply to: Re: PRICE CONTROLS posted by AT [11797.4426] on September 30, 2009 at 09:45:17:

I know a guy in Massachusetts on disability. He was a computer programmer who claims repetitive strain injury of his wrist(s). He gets $1200 a month just for rent assistance plus a lot of other stuff. I find that ridiculous. I think a sane system would have him teaching computer skills to someone-school kids, prisoners, the unemployed,immigrants, old people- whatever, but not wasting his knowledge. He's 57, I think. Computer programmers back then often didn't get degrees, since there was demand for their skills, they could go right to work. I think many years of working in the field should be considered an equivalent to having a degree for the purpose of teaching, and , of course, some of the people one could teach, you don't need a degree to teach.

Guess this kind of thing is part of Mass.'s budget problems.



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Posted by Hope [9735.8198] on September 30, 2009 at 10:44:45:

In Reply to: Re: PRICE CONTROLS posted by samm [1003.2765] on September 30, 2009 at 09:01:59:

Of course we do not have to and nobody wants them to. I am just making an observation that no one on the right ever really complained when we went into a war without merit and wasted so much money generations will have to pay for. Now that made many people rich including the people in charge when we wrongly invaded another country.

Despite the stereotype...most Democrats are not anti-war or anti-military. We believe in diplomacy rather than warmongering. But when war is necessary, it is necessary. It should be approached with caution and with a very detailed plan of action and it should NEVER be based on a lie.

Yes our military is voluntary. Every man and most of the women in my family as well as my husband volunteered to go into it. They have seen every war in our history. However, voluntary or not, it does not say use me for personal gain. To send troops into a war based on a lie is wrong no matter how you slice it. War is a defensive act and the war in Iraq is not defensive.

I will say one more thing to you. These men and women give you the freedoms that you have today. They sacrifice their families, their well-being, and their lives. Their jobs are nothing like any of ours.

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Re: PRICE CONTROLS

Posted by AT [11797.4426] on September 30, 2009 at 11:16:23:

In Reply to: Re: PRICE CONTROLS posted by samm [1003.2765] on September 30, 2009 at 10:27:14:

Yes, the guy I mentioned could probably do something else but if it isn't the chosen career, (and I use that loosely) he is off the hook for doing anything to support himself.
Why aren't we running this country, samm? Too bad real thinkers aren't utilized in making decisions! Hmmm, which lobby would buy us off?

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Re: PRICE CONTROLS

Posted by samm [1003.2765] on October 01, 2009 at 10:20:39:

In Reply to: Re: PRICE CONTROLS posted by AT [11797.4426] on September 30, 2009 at 11:16:23:

probably because we aren't power hungry. It takes a certain kind of personality to want to run things and, often, an apeal to voters' greed, sloth, and baser instincts.

Whatever happened to,

"ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country"

I think JFK would be horrified at what his party has turned into.

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Re: PRICE CONTROLS

Posted by samm [1003.2765] on October 01, 2009 at 10:40:03:

In Reply to: Re: PRICE CONTROLS posted by Hope [9735.8198] on September 30, 2009 at 10:44:45:

my family's only been enlisting since the war of 1812.
I grew up in the military and have been a military wife (we celebrated my husband aging out of recall last year by giving away all his leather combat boots-he always hated having to use leather.
Men join the military for a lot of reasons, patriotism being just part of it. May men seek excitement and are into risk taing. Same reason for our town's wonderful volunteer firemen and ambulance crew-they not only want to be helpful, but want some excitement in their lives.
Is the construction guy high atop bridge girders or skyscrapers any different? I don't think so. Lastest figures are that only 3 out of every 10 people from 18-24 qualify for military service due to health and othert issues. I don't think that diminishes the ones who don't join the military, whether qualified and anti-war or unqualified- most find some way to serve the needs of society, are as important as soldiers, and go through their own stresses and dangers.

But as for complaining about our politicians' actions-you aren't complaining about the way Obama and a Dem congress has handled the wars or gay marriage or gays in the military. Should I assume you are content with these things as they stand?
I don't, in fact, make that assumption. You'll probably vote for them in 2010 and 2012, no matter how many promises go unkept.

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Re: Another NHS Testimony

Posted by CT [13099.8028] on October 02, 2009 at 05:03:08:

In Reply to: Another NHS Testimony posted by ukchris [10820.8189] on September 28, 2009 at 10:43:08:

I think that's a lot of money for a filling. I assume it was private work - boy they sure can charge! How long did it take? No more than 15 minutes work I bet!

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Re: Another NHS Testimony

Posted by ukchris [10820.8189] on October 02, 2009 at 06:04:25:

In Reply to: Re: Another NHS Testimony posted by CT [13099.8028] on October 02, 2009 at 05:03:08:

As I mentioned in another reply, I *chose* to pay extra for an emergency appointment. It took 30 mins and they did a great job.

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