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I saw a show on TV last night about a man who died because of intestinal worms. I did not catch the whole thing, but the worms had burrowed through the intestine and caused a massive bacterial infection. He had blood in his stomach and throat when they did the autopsy.
The person performing the autopsy suspected worms from the symptoms and looking at the intestines. They brought in a specialist in this area who looked at the intestinal material and doubted it was worms. They took a sample and looked at it under a microscope and did some sort of culture in a dish and....it was worms!
I am totally freaked out. If they had to tear a person apart and scrape the intestines to find worms, how the hell would they find them during one stool culture? I had pin worms when I was a little girl and was never treated for them. I guess they resolved on their own, but now I seriously doubt it. I am going to put myself on several phases of a parasite cleanse. First, I am going on Dr. Natura Paranil, and then I am going to do the Old Amish Dewormer and liver flush.
I have always suspected I had worms and every doctor has just come short of laughing in my face. One doctor did a culture for tape worms, but lab tech f..ck.d the test up. The doctor admitted that, but then said, "Oh well, I know you don't have tape worms." But, that's not what I said I suspected. I said I suspected I have parasites and he translated it to tape worms.
Because of this and because of that show last night, I really doubt there are any thorough tests and figure it's just best to treat myself like I have parasites than not.
Dr. Stoll -
1. if the worms have burrowed their way out of the intestines and made it to the blood stream, could they make their way to the brain and the heart?
2. If so, would they show up on an MRI?
3. How would you know before you end up like the cadaver?
4. Do you think it is worth it to do several parasite cleansings even though there is no test confirming you have parasites?
In Reply to: Worms and Parasites posted by Freaked Out! on September 23, 2003 at 12:09:58:
Freaked Out, Don't think there's any one test that finds all parasites..Questions to ask yourself..How do you feel? Have you done any colon cleansing? What's your diet like? Keep your inside clean and healthly, then you will have one less thing to worry about..Silver Fox!
In Reply to: Worms and Parasites posted by Freaked Out! on September 23, 2003 at 12:09:58:
Hey Freaked...It reminds me when I was in Sumatra and I developed what I thought to be a cyst on my shoulder. I didn't think to much about it hoping that it would resolve on it's on. About a month went by when I noticed it getting larger. When I return to the states I had my family doctor look at it. He was stumped as I to what it was but took a biopsy and sent it off to a lab for tropical diseases somewhere around Washington,D.C. I was told that this cyst was caused by a fly that had buried it's eggs under my skin perhaps when I was asleep and I hadn't noticed it because of the zillions of other bug bites one experiences in the tropics. I can't remember the name of the fly now but I do remember the doctor giving me the option of letting the larva hatch and emerge on their own or have him cut out the whole cyst and some surrounding tissue to make sure he got them all. Well, I thought this was a no brainer, so I had him cut them out. Years later during other travels I have learn this fly is pretty common and uses animals as well as humans as a host to reproduce. Even today when I feel my scar I can just imagine those little flies emerging and taking flight from my shoulder...how freaky is that?
In Reply to: Re: Worms and Parasites posted by Buzz on September 23, 2003 at 13:22:44:
Ew, Buzz. I think I would have gone crazy! Is that the Bot fly? Ew, Ew, Ew. I already have nightmares about worms and spiders, I can't imagine how you handled it. I would have had them cut out too.
In Reply to: Re: Worms and Parasites posted by Steve on September 23, 2003 at 12:46:25:
Hi Silver,
I don't feel great, but am not sure that my problems are caused by parasites or not. I am sure it's all connected to diet and parasites though. I am going to do the colon cleanse thing with Dr. Natura along with a parasite killing thing. Then, I'm going to do the Old Amish Dewormer and liver flush protocol according to the Omega Labs website.
Right now, my diet is the Atkins, before it was mostly Whole Foods, but I would slip sometimes and eat chocolate, white rice (sushi), some white flour products and some salad dressings. I had reached a plateau with my weight at 130, so I decided I needed to get strict again. I am the one who posted earlier under My 2 Cents.
In Reply to: Re: Worms and Parasites posted by Steve on September 23, 2003 at 12:46:25:
well I for one am freaked out too.
In Reply to: Re: Worms and Parasites posted by Buzz on September 23, 2003 at 13:22:44:
do a google search for parasites and you'll come up with some gruesome stuff!
(I'm not recommending this for Freaked Out!)
~~~8>
In Reply to: Re: Worms and Parasites posted by Freaked Out! on September 23, 2003 at 13:27:24:
Yeah, I guess it is kinda freaky. I'm just wondering though what would of happen if I just let them run their cycle. As it is now I have a rather large scar. I was told they just hatch and work their way back out to the surface.
In Reply to: Worms and Parasites posted by Freaked Out! on September 23, 2003 at 12:09:58:
Freaked Out!
To answer your question about how they find them, they look in the stool culture for the dead worms and/or eggs or larvae. Of course that's a crap shoot (no pun intended) because if they don't get the exact spot of stool where the larvae and/or bodies are, then they miss them.
And the answer to question #1 would totally depend on exactly what type of worm you are talking about. It's too bad you didn't get more info from that show, because there are literally thousands of different parasites!
Do you have a reason to believe you've been infested? Have you travelled to foreign countries and/or been in an environment where you think you'd have been exposed to any parasites.
I believe that we all probably have some parasites and that they often live in our bodies without causing any problems at all.
I don't think doing a bunch of cleanses is a good idea - try one and see how you feel. They are not without risks either.
btw, I had pinworm too when I was a girl, and nearly had a nervous breakdown, but they treated my whole family! I remember the medicine turned all our poop bright red!
~~~8>
In Reply to: Re: Worms and Parasites posted by Steve on September 23, 2003 at 12:46:25:
"Keep your inside clean and healthy" - an obvious statement, dont you think she is trying to do just that. What other great suggestions can you make?
In Reply to: Re: Worms and Parasites posted by reader on September 23, 2003 at 15:04:53:
reader, Wasn't obvious to me..Sounds like she is just starting..Guess I'm not as smart as you..Silver Fox!
In Reply to: Re: Worms and Parasites posted by Buzz on September 23, 2003 at 13:52:55:
Buzz, Yeah they don't eat very much..EWWW..lol..Silver Fox!
In Reply to: Worms and Parasites posted by Freaked Out! on September 23, 2003 at 12:09:58:
I saw this show too. The lady said that this is very rare cause of death. It was so rare, that even a Dr. from Hong Kong flew in for the testing.
I don't understand why the labs can't find the eggs in stools. We perform them daily at the veterinary clinic I work at, and it's a very simple test...
In Reply to: Re: Worms and Parasites posted by Freaked Out! on September 23, 2003 at 13:32:24:
Are you trying to lose more weight at your 130? How much do you think you shoudl weigh and how tall are you?
In Reply to: Re: Worms and Parasites posted by Buzz on September 23, 2003 at 13:52:55:
How cool would that be! You'd give life to another species. LOL
In Reply to: Re: Worms and Parasites posted by labrat on September 23, 2003 at 14:09:57:
Did you nearly have a nervous breakdown because of the worms or your thoughts about having them?
In Reply to: Re: Worms and Parasites posted by Freaked Out! on September 23, 2003 at 13:32:24:
As person who has lived this nightmare I can tell you that it is very real. The going out of the country thing no longer applies. Look at who is preparing your food and working in the grocery stores. A lot of workers barely speak english.
I have fought this for years and have been very ill. No doctors believe you and are generally very condesending. I even had one break out a manual and read from it as to why I could not have parasites.
Later that week I did a liver flush and released a handful of long huge worms.
I am done trying to make people believe this. Most people will be dignosed with some disease which they feel is socially correct. But, you have that disease for some reason.
Wake up and smell the coffee enema.
In Reply to: Re: Worms and Parasites posted by R. on September 23, 2003 at 23:59:23:
Yes, I should weigh between 108 min. and 123 max. I spent most of my life at 115 and that's where I would like to be again. That's where I was my healthiest. I am 5'4" with a small frame.
In Reply to: Re: Worms and Parasites posted by Jennifer on September 23, 2003 at 22:43:35:
Yes! That was the show. I only saw the part where the expert was in the lab saying that he doubted it was worms and then took a sample and cultured it.
Did you catch what parasite it was? Did you see what actually killed the guy? Was it a bacterial infection or the worms themselves that ate through his stomach?
Do you remember what channel it was on and what the show was called? I didn't catch much of it because my husband saw me freaking out and turned the channel. He is the one who has to suffer with me waking up screaming in the middle of the night to "get the worms off of me!", so he wouldn't let me watch it.
I have really gruesome nightmares about once a month. The last one I had was about two weeks ago and I dreamt that the worms were burrowing their way out through my right hand. I could see them wiggling under the skin and it was hurting. It's so awful, I can't tell you.
As for the lab tests, only one doctor would perform one and then the lab tech screwed the test up. All the rest just say "You don't have parasites" in a very condescending way.
In Reply to: Re: Worms and Parasites posted by R. on September 24, 2003 at 00:05:10:
Both really. I am repulsed by and afraid of worms. I hate to touch them, or even look at them. Having them, even teeny tiny little ones, crawling out of my butt at night just about did me in. I remember seeing the first one on my finger and just screaming! My mom and aunt came running (nearly gave them a heart attack) to see what had happened to me. I spent the rest of the night crying in bed and unable to sleep. I could feel them the whole time. I didn't sleep for days after that. It took awhile for the medication to work. During the day, pinworms tend to stay inside your colon, but at night they come out to lay eggs...they itch and tickle, and of course, you scratch. That's how the eggs get spread around. Mom had to wash my sheets every night and keep my clothes separate from everyone else's for a couple of weeks...I got them from a sleep over at a girlfriends house. They were "going around" at school.
I am better now about worms and such. Funny thing is, my brother always had snakes for pets, and I'm not the least bit bothered by them...in fact, if you didn't have to feed them...um, rats or mice, I'd probably have one!
~~~8>
In Reply to: Re: Worms and Parasites posted by Host on September 24, 2003 at 07:42:41:
Hi Host,
What did you do to rid yourself of this besides the liver flush? Do you think that what I want to do will be beneficial? I feel it certainly can't hurt, so I am going to do both phases and take it from there.
In Reply to: Re: Worms and Parasites posted by labrat on September 23, 2003 at 14:09:57:
Hi Labrat,
Yes, I have travelled to foreign countries. Not as exotic as Buzz, but they were both third world countries. But, even without travelling, I did have pinworms or some such thing as a girl. My mother did not take me to the doctor because she couldn't afford it, so I was never, ever treated for them. I won't go into details, but I saw them squirming around.
Here is a list I found:
Here is a list of the names and descriptions
of the 12 most common parasites:
Tapeworms: taenias - fish tapeworm, beef tapeworm, and pork tapeworm. Obtained from eating raw or undercooked, infected meat. Adult worms can reach a length of more than 15 feet. Pork tapeworms can enter the brain and cause seizures. Fish tapeworms can produce over one million eggs per day. It can grow up to 33 feet in length. This worm is wide and one half to one inch long, and is usually white/gray in color.
White worms: They come in all sizes from tiny pinworms to those that look like spaghetti or angel hair pasta.
Red worms: These look just like earthworms. They exude from the colon wrapped in balls. They reach up to 6 inches in length.
Inch worms: These are thick (pencil size), black and bumpy and about 2 inches long.
Black worms: These are 1 - 12 inches in length and leave the colon wrapped in "yellow acid water" mixed together. They nest deep, impacted in the colon wall.
Pinworms: Tiny parasites that wiggle out about 3/4" long and thicker than white worms.
Hookworms: Curved about 6" long, and grayish. Infestation is as high as 50% worldwide. Hookworms grip the intestinal wall and suck blood.
"Little Fish": About 1/2" long, these are fish-type parasites with heads and tails, and they swim out of the colon in schools.
Threadworms: Cream-colored parasites as thin as a thread. They often come out by the hundreds.
"Fuzz Balls": Round parasites with fur-like growth on them. About 1/4-3/4" in diameter, yellow in color.
"Spiders": Look like a spider and are colored brown, often 1" long.
"Stickpin Worms": One inch long and a head like a pea, perfectly round. Small ones are white, adults are black.
In Reply to: Re: Worms and Parasites posted by Freaked Out! on September 24, 2003 at 13:32:39:
Thanks, FO,
I can understand your concern on the one hand, but on the other hand, I still wonder if you're not over reacting a bit. I am not trying to be condescending or anything, but you don't seem to be in distress physically in any way...and it seems you've had this feeling for a long time. Wouldn't you have seen some sort of evidence by now? I offer this with the intent of calming you down mostly. See my post to R about my experience with pinworms...the worms I had do not fit the description you found for pinworm. Mine were less than 1/2 inch and looked like threads (I also thought threadworms were the same thing as pinworms, only what they call them in the UK).
I suppose it's likely that I'm harboring some sort of stowaways by now...I spent time in Central America as a child and as an adult I eat raw beef and sushi on a regular basis.
My biggest health challenge came after IV antibiotics trashed my digestive tract. I got CRS and LGS and all the attendant troubles. Treating that with wellness, I feel better than I did before, and will continue on this path. I do feel that the raw foods I eat help me feel better, so I will continue to eat them.
I am considering doing a series of colonics soon because of a recent brush with breast cancer, and I suppose we'll find out then if any beasties come out in the water!
Perhaps that would be a good route for you to take. Find someone in your area that does colonics, and talk to them about your concerns.
I hope you don't continue to freak out, because that might be more stressful for you than parasites!
~~~8>
In Reply to: Re: Worms and Parasites posted by labrat on September 24, 2003 at 13:52:49:
Thanks, labrat. You made me feel a little better. I have been thinking about this for about 15-20 years, and it is very stressful. It hasn't been until recently that I have found the wellness that you are talking about. I have read this site extensively and am incorporating a lot of the information into my life.
I'm going to do at least the Dr. Natura thing and then I might consider colonics. But, I don't know if I could take things being inserted into my intestines by another person, or even by me. I might be able to override that if I felt it would really do me a lot of good.
I am in distress physically because I am constantly constipated. No matter what I eat or take (besides a laxative) I only go to the bathroom every other day. I think the Dr. Natura protocol will help to regulate me. I have always felt that I have a blockage in my intestines, but have never had that examined. On really bad days, I can't eat (like today especially because I started Atkins and haven't gone since Monday). I am going to have to break down and take a laxative. I have taken 100% pure Psyllium husks everyday and am drinking 4 16 oz. glasses of water per day, plus the 16 oz glass I take with the Psyllium.
I spoke to someone who said I have all the classic, "juicy" signs of hypothyroidism and am of the descent that does not process protein very well. He suggested I stop the Atkins and look into Calvin Ezrin's diet instead. He said that would probably help my digestion too.
I don't know, I am so confused. I am just going to do the colon and parasite cleanse by Natura because that will at least give me some peace of mind. I am not sure that I will stick with Atkins during this cleansing. Maybe I'll just go less meat and veggies of low carb/low glycemic index. That's still Atkins, it's just not the induction phase. We'll see.
In Reply to: Re: Worms and Parasites posted by labrat on September 24, 2003 at 13:52:49:
Labrat, Almost impossible to see any parasites when doing a colonic..Everything comes out too fast..If you want to look at the stuff, you could do a colonic at home..Not as good but gives you a look see..Silver Fox!
In Reply to: Re: Worms and Parasites posted by Freaked Out! on September 24, 2003 at 14:13:07:
Freaked Out, Don't be concerned about colonics or enemas, I and many others do them all the time..I have for 10 years..A pice of cake..I look forward to them..After you see what comes out you will know that it should not been in you..Take care of your colon and it will take care of you..Silver Fox!
In Reply to: Re: Worms and Parasites posted by Freaked Out! on September 24, 2003 at 11:17:10:
According to a relatively well known rough formula (ideal weight (in kg) = height (in cm) - 100), your weight should about 137.8 lb. So, if you are 130 lb now, you shouldn't lose any more weight.
In Reply to: Re: Worms and Parasites posted by labrat on September 24, 2003 at 13:52:49:
I am considering doing a series of colonics soon because of a recent brush with breast cancer
Have you seen my recent post with an article about various estrogens and what their proportions should be? Perhaps, makeing sure you have that right would be much more beneficial than colon cleansing. See http://askwaltstollmd.com/wwwboard/messages/193364.shtml. Walt decided to post it too and (archive it this time) - http://askwaltstollmd.com/wwwboard/messages/193517.shtml
In Reply to: Re: Worms and Parasites posted by R. on September 24, 2003 at 16:43:49:
Thanks R. for your research, but at 137.8 I am fat. I had 30.6% body fat at that weight and at my height of 150 at size 11 (which is huge for me, I have very small bones) my body fat was at 32%.
At 130, I am overweight with body fat of 27.3% I do very well at 117 and will be at the size I was for most of my adult life, which is a size 3. As it is now, you can pinch about 3" of fat on my stomach, my inner thighs and my upper arms. I had a bone density scan done when I was 135 and the doctor couldn't help but remark about how small my bones were. When I asked him how much I should weigh, he estimated 115. Those formulas are fine for average people, but when you take into account a small, light frame, it changes drastically. Besides, my bodyfat goal is 22%, which is what I was at at 117 and is the recommended bodyfat %.
In Reply to: Re: Worms and Parasites posted by R. on September 24, 2003 at 17:06:57:
Thanks, R. Yes, I did see that article.
I saw my natural doctor and he prescribed NatraGest (I think that's the name of it) which is a wild yam cream and provides progesterone to balance the estrogen...we are taking a multi faceted approach to my situation. I'm taking a cruciferous extract I've taken in the past with much success called Indole 3 Carbinol and other specific supplements. I am also in the process of reading Dr Lee's book about estrogen and cancer "What Your Doctor may not Tell you About Breast Cancer", and hope that will give me a better understanding of this and even more ideas.
I appreciate your interest. My digestion hasn't been good lately, most likely because of the added stress of this and other life changes going on right now, so that's why the colonics came to mind. There is a woman here in town that everyone speaks very highly of, so I may check that out.
~~~8>
In Reply to: Re: Worms and Parasites posted by Steve on September 24, 2003 at 15:47:59:
Thanks Silver Fox...I think I'll leave this to a professional and miss out on the "viewing", though I did hear that the woman who does this will point stuff out as it goes past in the tube...veeerryy innterrestink! (emphasis on the "stink") ;-)
~~~8>
In Reply to: Re: Worms and Parasites posted by Freaked Out! on September 24, 2003 at 14:13:07:
Your constipation is related to your diet, of course. You just need to find your best foods. In the meantime, you could follow the constipation protocol described on this site for stool withholding in children. I know doc Stoll has told other adults that it will work just fine for them, and it doesn't involve a laxative.
Are your stools okay? I mean, maybe it's normal for you to go every other day. If they're not hard, dry and or painful, I wouldn't sweat that either. If you are not feeling well because of it, then try the MO and metamucil while you work on figuring out your diet.
Hang in there and keep posting as you go. There are a lot of helpful peeps here as you are discovering.
~~~8>
In Reply to: Re: Worms and Parasites posted by labrat on September 24, 2003 at 21:18:33:
I think that wild yam cream has a different action. The main point of the doc in the article was that there are 3 types of estrogens, and there's gotta be a certain balance among them. It's not one estrogen. Progesteron is a different thing. I think that at least testing these 3 types is a very good idea.
Could you describe your success with Indole 3 Carbinol?
I personally have done colonics and can't say I've benefitted from them. That is not to say that you won't, though. If you think that your recent digestion problems have been caused by stress, wouldn't it be better to handle that instead of looking for a method that is more removed from the root cause? Although, maybe that is where the "other life changes" come in.
In Reply to: Re: Worms and Parasites posted by Steve on September 24, 2003 at 15:56:14:
It's really supposed to come out by itself, not because of an enema.
In Reply to: Re: Worms and Parasites posted by Freaked Out! on September 24, 2003 at 17:34:56:
Ok. Do you do any strength building exercises? They'd help you achieve a better fat % and possibly increases your bone mass.
In Reply to: Re: Worms and Parasites posted by labrat on September 23, 2003 at 14:09:57:
Thanks, Labrat.
It always makes me smile at how upset people get about parasites they can see. Nine out of ten of the cells in a "human being" are NOT human at all but are parasites (bacteria, fungi, spirochetes, etc.) Without them human life would be impossible. There are good parasites and bad ones. When we are functioning efficiently the good parasites are working synergistically with our human cells and that keeps the bad (disease causing) parasites from setting up housekeeping.
Even our human cells are not totally human! The mitochondria (the little energy organelles inside each cell, without which life itself would be impossible, are not human but parasites that evolved to live synergistically inside our cells. They have their own genetics and DNA that is totally separate from our human genome.
We think of ourselves as human beings when, in reality, we are just walking committees of vastly disparate cells working together and "hopefully" being directed by our human intention.
Just because we cannot see all this going on is no reason to be prejudiced against those we CAN see!
Hope this helps.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Worms and Parasites (The invisible world inside us.) Archive in parasites. posted by Walt Stoll on September 25, 2003 at 06:06:20:
That is significant from a metaphysical and spiritual standpoint.
What is the "glue" that holds the cells together? The "hopeful" force exerting itself?
It has long been maintained that we as humans are nothing less than spirity beings wrapped in a jacket of flesh, with a morphogenic field or template (the etheric body for you purists) holding the whole thing together.
I am surprised to hear this view coming from a doctor, whom it must be said, on whole, see the body, and indeed their patients, as a collection of organs.
I wonder what it would be like if doctors worked at the etheric level -actually attempted to effect change at the spirit/flesh interface. How much quicker we might all become self-actualized. How much easier we might all understand ourselves and our various reasons for being.
In Reply to: Re: Worms and Parasites posted by R. on September 25, 2003 at 00:16:40:
I will look into the estrogen thing further. I know they tested a few different factors, but honestly, there is so much to take in, I'm just trying to keep up with my new supplement regimen and learning why as I go!
Indole-3-Carbinol got me back to normal pap smears just in time to avoid a rather invasive "leep" procedure to remove the abnormalities. I had been having abnormal paps on and off for years, and getting more invasive stuff done each time to try to diagnose it. I'd had at least 3 colposcopies and one laser surgery, and my doc at the time started saying I should have this leep procedure. I'd found out by then that my test results (mild dysplasia), would never lead directly to cervical cancer, so I refused to have the end of my cervix removed. The doc had a fit and I realized I wouldnt' be able to stay with her. I went to a doctor who works with natural medicine (he really does practice "complementary" medicine) and he put me on the I3C and my paps have been normal ever since. I was only on it a short time. This time around, I'll be on it long term.
The stresses at this time are unavoidable, but as most of them are, temporary, so I just need to wait it out and try to keep up my SR.
My life is always urging me to keep up my wellness!!
~~~8>
In Reply to: Re: Worms and Parasites posted by Freaked Out! on September 24, 2003 at 17:34:56:
I feel your pain, FO. I too am fine boned, and it's difficult for people to see that we're NOT obsessing about thinness, just that we're really truly healthier that way!!
~~~8>
In Reply to: Re: Worms and Parasites posted by labrat on September 24, 2003 at 21:22:58:
labrat, When I had it done, waste comes out through a clear tube which keep the stink down but it was too fast for me to see anything..Also if you are eating right it helps too..Silver Fox!
In Reply to: Re: Worms and Parasites posted by R. on September 25, 2003 at 00:20:47:
R, You are right, but most of us didn't practice good health in our youth and have lot's of stored toxins..For me it was too many Big Mac's..As you get older your system needs help..I feel better ( maybe just in my head ) and don't want to leave it to chance..Silver Fox!
In Reply to: Re: Worms and Parasites posted by Steve on September 25, 2003 at 09:48:06:
I don't believe there are toxins accumulated in your colon during your "bad times" that can be removed by an enema. I am sure what you remove is recent stuff (especially, if you do it regularly). Essentially, you are using a crutch. But whatever gets you high... LOL
In Reply to: Re: Worms and Parasites posted by R. on September 25, 2003 at 12:38:50:
R, Right again..But I have done a liver flush and a colon cleanse..You would not beleive what came out of me..It wasn't pertty..And to work on the stored toxins I plan on geting a Infar Red Sauna soon..I do it all..lol..Silver Fox!
In Reply to: Re: Worms and Parasites (The invisible world inside us.) Archive in parasites. posted by flesh jacket on September 25, 2003 at 07:02:53:
And, thus, why we all love Dr. Stoll so much. Thanks, Dr. Stoll!
In Reply to: Re: Worms and Parasites posted by Steve on September 25, 2003 at 12:53:31:
You would not beleive what came out of me..It wasn't pertty.
That's not a good defense. Regular fecal matter isn't pretty either. Neither is freshly chewed up food. That doesn't mean you've gotta dedicate your life to an all-out fight with toxins. It's easy to misinterpret things. For instance, when I saw a black man for the first time, I thought his skin was dirty. But is it really dirtier than that of a white man?
Things tend to work well automatically.
In Reply to: Re: Worms and Parasites posted by R. on September 25, 2003 at 14:59:20:
R, Can't agree..The stones I passed and the mocus lining never come out automatically..We have become a toxic dump site and we need to help in the detox..Environmental toxins are everywhere..No place on earth not polluted..Air, water, fish, plants and wildlife..This was not the case 100 years ago..I am not a Doctor but I can read and try products and programs..Then decide, does this work for me, do I feel better? I don't know how old you are and what state of health your in but I know at 61 I feel and look healthier than I did at 21, 31, 41..So it works for me..And I will never stop searching to improve my health..I have people I know laugh at me but I take no meds..How many 61 year old guys do you know that don't take any drugs? I don't know any..I'm pain free and intend to stay that way..I will get off my soapbox now..Silver Fox!
In Reply to: Re: Worms and Parasites posted by Steve on September 25, 2003 at 15:54:54:
S.F, How often do you have a colonic? & can you see & feel a difference right away?
In Reply to: Re: Worms and Parasites (The invisible world inside us.) Archive in parasites. posted by Freaked Out! on September 25, 2003 at 14:45:43:
I think you misunderstand.
I did not say Walt Stoll takes this approach. I said he expresses this view.
In his own words he says he attempts to find as many alternative approaches as he can to combine with his conventional medicine approach.
I am thinking about a paradigm that does away with conventional medicine altogether in lieu of working at the etheric level.
As a conventional doctor, Walt Stoll works at the gross level. That is where his core training is. That is where his "medical reality" lay.
On level up would be working at the etheric level which fundamentally is at an energetic level where the changes that are going to become physical or gross are already occurring. When Walt Stoll gets to them, they have already been translated into their gross equivalents. So he worked at the very lowest level.
I am not sure why this garners him your love, but it is a fairly well known phenomena of patients loving their doctors.
In Reply to: Re: Worms and Parasites (The invisible world inside us.) Archive in parasites. posted by flesh jacket on September 26, 2003 at 07:24:41:
Actually, Walt works at a higher level than you give him credit for. I have spoken to him personally and know from which level he works and it IS from an etheric level. But, when you're dealing with people who mostly work from a lower level...you have to start somewhere.
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