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Hi,
Anyone who has experience using these approaches to SR, can you please give me your opinion of one over the other? I have been meditating for SR, and have had my meditation verified using EEG. I reach the alpha 8-12 cps range while meditating and have developed a sense for what reaching alpha feels like in my body.
However, I find that there are days when I have too much of the monkey mind to focus : ), and I think that using a tape like Centerpointe might help me on those days. Given the $150 price tag, though, I don't want to just try it on a whim.
Thanks in advance,
Daisy
In Reply to: Request for opinions: Centerpointe vs. Meditation for SR posted by Daisy on April 17, 2002 at 18:13:49:
I think you may be comparing apples and oranges.
I have used Light & Sound Machines for about 20 years now. They are good for
Centerpointe is actually a different sort of beast altogether. While Centerpoint will certainly
I've used a number of systems and I still find Centerpoint to be the best for my needs.
Lightwalking,
In Reply to: Request for opinions: Centerpointe vs. Meditation for SR posted by Daisy on April 17, 2002 at 18:13:49:
Given the $150 price tag, though, I don't want to just try it on a whim.
You could try a cheaper CD first...like Brain Sync, then if you find that helps you can move on to the centerpoint CD which I hear is the grandaddy of all the meditation CDs. I do great with Brain Sync and also ones by Jeffrey Thompson. Good luck!
In Reply to: Centerpointe vs. Meditation for SR - My Opinion posted by Gregory on April 17, 2002 at 19:50:57:
Gregory,
In Reply to: Re: Centerpointe vs. Meditation for SR - My Opinion posted by Charity on April 17, 2002 at 20:39:36:
You aren't doing yourself any favors by "not remembering." The wounds are still there, festering,
In Reply to: Swept Under The Rug Of The Mind. posted by Gregory on April 17, 2002 at 22:17:27:
I would "walk" around with a broken leg if I didnt like the receptionist! ;-)
In Reply to: Request for opinions: Centerpointe vs. Meditation for SR posted by Daisy on April 17, 2002 at 18:13:49:
Don't let the other posts scare you away. Yes, listening to the Centerpointe CD does in some miraculously weird way stretch you -- both pyschically and emotionally. But for me, it's not been traumatic at all. And I've had some pretty awful things happen in my life. It's been kind of bittersweet journey with a touch of melancholy -- but always underscored with a contmentment and happiness I have never felt before in my life.
Has that been worth the $150 pricetag? You bet, and I'm about to go to the second, more expensive level.
In Reply to: Swept Under The Rug Of The Mind. posted by Gregory on April 17, 2002 at 22:17:27:
Thanks.
In Reply to: Re: Centerpointe vs. Meditation for SR - My Opinion posted by Charity on April 17, 2002 at 20:39:36:
I've spent the past 2.5 years going to a therapist dealing with all of the things in my life I chose to avoid facing. Instead, I kind of put them underneath the carpet and figured out of sight, out of mind.:-( Wrong, even though my conscious mind (spl?)wasn't aware of them, my subconscious was at all of those things did havik on my bodymind. All it could do was fester, fester, and manifest to a real large problem I could no longer deal with by myself.
I was at the point of getting out of this world all together in order to escape the scary things which I went through as a young child, teenager,young adult, and present adult aspects of my life. Imagine to need to pay someone to help me deal with issues I could've dealt with years ago instead of Avoiding them. Yep, I was the queen of avoidance and excuses. Dealing better with not avoiding some things but still have designation as queen of excuses.:-(
I've got my tapes and will be using them twice a day in order to heal myself mentally, as well as physically. Looking forward to eventually being DC'd by my therapist. Listen to Walt, and others on the board. Why suffer needlessly as myself when you can nip it in the bud right now?????
In Reply to: I understand I guess if I want to get better I will go through with it. posted by Charity on April 18, 2002 at 09:16:43:
Hi Charity,
In Reply to: Centerpointe vs. Meditation for SR - My Opinion posted by Gregory on April 17, 2002 at 19:50:57:
I'm impressed with your posting (HTML) effects.....
In Reply to: to Charity - I understand I guess if I want to get better I will go through with it. posted by Kim on April 19, 2002 at 01:57:33:
Kim, yes I hve been to counseling I still could not remember. But I firmly believe it had something to do with the first five years I spent more time in the hospital than out. What I do remember is I came out of that first five years with a hatred for doctors and hospitals. I learned from my family that I spent those years in the hospital. It took me many years to overcome that hatred, my dad when he took me in at 10 he could look at me and tell I had a lot of hatred and a broken spirit so he named me Charity. I have learned to live up to the name,people say I am the most loving and giving person they know. I am glad I have learned to live with my childhood. The biggest thing my dad told me was what he did for me I had to reproduce in myself and learn to give to others and help them I would like to believe I am accomplishing that.
In Reply to: Re: to Charity - I understand I guess if I want to get better I will go through with it. posted by Charity on April 19, 2002 at 09:32:02:
Hi Charity,
In Reply to: Re: to Charity - I understand I guess if I want to get better I will go through with it. posted by Kim on April 19, 2002 at 13:28:03:
Somebody that understands.(SIGH RELIEF) I have put it behind me and I always try to help somebody else in need If I am able. My dad always told me that If I Let my heart go out to somebody else in need my problems wont bother me as much I have learned this is true. As I got involved helping other people my past(my past which was my biggest problem) just seemed to fade away. I have no problem with it. I am just a little leery about bringing everything to the surface Because I was determined I never wanted to feel those feelings again,(Hate is one powerful emotion It destroys things and the people you are closest to)
Charity
In Reply to: Re: to Charity - I understand I guess if I want to get better I will go through with it. posted by Charity on April 19, 2002 at 18:10:22:
You have learned one of the most important lessons there is in life to learn! Bitterness, anger, hate not only destroys your health but your mind. Its like taking poison for the soul. Your dad had a lot of wisdom when he gave you your name! Have you tried the Brainsync free download for SR. I don't think Centerpointe is for you right now.
In Reply to: Re: to Charity - I understand I guess if I want to get better I will go through with it. posted by kim on April 19, 2002 at 18:52:51:
Kim what is Brainsync free download for SR and where can I go to get it.
Charity
In Reply to: Re: to Charity - I understand I guess if I want to get better I will go through with it. posted by Charity on April 19, 2002 at 19:16:57:
I found it thanks.
In Reply to: I understand I guess if I want to get better I will go through with it. posted by Charity on April 18, 2002 at 09:16:43:
I went through an excruiating dental surgery when I was in the 2nd grade, after getting
Even during my Light Walk the anger and suspicion
The memory of that torture is still there. I have been working on releasing it since
Lightwalking,
In Reply to: Thanks, but No Thanks? posted by Gregory on April 19, 2002 at 21:51:17:
I am so sorry for your most horrible experience that you went through. I cant imagine a much worse experience. One of my living nightmares would be to be tortured, which is probably what happened to me in a past life somewhere, sometime.
You touched me with your story, as most of your posts do. Thanks, Greg.
In Reply to: Thanks, but No Thanks? posted by Gregory on April 19, 2002 at 21:51:17:
Gregory,
In Reply to: Gregory posted by Charity on April 19, 2002 at 23:45:21:
WITL,
In Reply to: Gregory posted by Charity on April 19, 2002 at 23:45:21:
Charity
Ever thought of dealing with these emotional problems via EFT. Emotional Freedom Technique. The experiences I have had have been quite therapeutic. I have too relived past traumatic experiences with EFT. They replayed though like watching an old movie in my mind. I cant remember if I had much emotion whilst undergoing the flashback or not, but it was powerful in that it happened spontaneously as my body released the held onto memory.
Sensual
In Reply to: Thanks, but No Thanks? posted by Gregory on April 19, 2002 at 21:51:17:
Where was your mother during the surgery? Could they have given you anesthesia safely? Why would they be so barbaric - incompetence is no excuse. Well, perhaps if they had anesthesized you, they could have killed you by not knowing how much to give! I can understand your hatred of doctors having been put through this at such a young age when children are so trusting! Raisa
In Reply to: Re: Thanks, but No Thanks? posted by Raisa on April 20, 2002 at 08:24:33:
I'm a big believer in home treatment. For me it is very unnerving to have to go to the hospital for any reason,
I have need of heavy-duty meditation, something to release this weight on my psyche,
Graywalking,
In Reply to: Re: Thanks, but No Thanks? posted by Gregory on April 20, 2002 at 15:09:35:
I feel the same way about Doctors and Hospitals. Just talking to you and Kim about this, I went to bed last night not knowing how it was going to effect me, while I was sleeping I kept waking up feeling like there was something wrapped around my throat and was chocking me and it would cut off my breathing I would wake up gasping for air I have not done this in a long time. I am sure it is just stress I have to go back and start calling on God to help me in all this, he is the one who pulled me through the first time.
In Reply to: Re: Thanks, but No Thanks? posted by Charity on April 20, 2002 at 16:39:44:
This has happened to me as well, especially at times of great stress and worry. Along with God's help, you can start on SR sessions as well.
In Reply to: Re: Thanks, but No Thanks? posted by Gregory on April 20, 2002 at 15:09:35:
The fact that you remember an event that happened when you were two years old proves beyond a doubt that it was very traumatic! That was actually inhumane! I can't imagine any operation which would require that the patient be entirely awake and alert. Well, now it's in the past and you are dealing with it - your mom must feel very bad that she allowed them to do this. As you said, we moms rely on our sons for computer help and many, many other things. But, when it comes down to it, we would die for you. And to think that something that traumatic happened would be devastating even though it was beyone our control.
In Reply to: Re: Thanks, but No Thanks? posted by Raisa on April 20, 2002 at 18:06:48:
My mother had no choice. At least none that I could see. Too much blood had been lost,
Remembering,
In Reply to: Um Raisa, I was not 2. I was in 2nd Grade...and... posted by Gregory on April 20, 2002 at 18:41:48:
Sorry!!! So you were about seven? I do realize that your mom had no choice!!! The doctors must have thought that you would have no memory of the whole incident,including the pain, since you were in shock. Little did they know.....
In Reply to: Re: Gregory posted by Sensual on April 20, 2002 at 05:20:42:
Interesting all the various means of releasing that there are....
Somehow I can't get beyond the idea that one must truly emotionally connect with an old hurt in order to release it. The idea that you can tap it away or affirm it away doesn't seem quite persuasive, somehow. (let's just say I am in awe of those who feel that it is!)
SR may allow you to become more conscious so that your widened consciousness is now strong enough to assimilate those hurts, but the KEY is still the conscious connection.
Also, the issue may be sort of a red herring. It is said that what hurts about pain is that you can't handle "it." With a lot of childhood pain, your little nervous system was not strong enough to handle it - back then. Once you CAN handle it as an adult (and as adults, we can become strong enough that we can - by SR or other means) then the sting and the overwhelming nature of it all, is lifted.
In Reply to: Re: Thanks, but No Thanks?--Charity posted by B.B. on April 20, 2002 at 17:58:50:
B.B. You are right I gave myself a stern talking to today, I told myself I am above and beyond all that and to quite fearing what God had already taken care of. And I should be past all these feelings. And I have already been doing the SR since Janurary so I am already ahead. Thanks for listening while I told somebody else. I needed to tell somebody to make it official,have you ever had to do that?
Charity
In Reply to: Re: releasing posted by Jan on April 20, 2002 at 20:17:32:
You may be able to get over the memory but I think the hardest to overcome is The scars they leave us with today for instance when a child is verbally abused they are belittled all the time or told they are not good enough or sexually abused etc... They sive with those feeling for years sometime for the rest of thier lives. That is the sad part.
In Reply to: Re: Thanks, but No Thanks?--Charity posted by Charity on April 20, 2002 at 21:07:46:
So glad you've already started SR, as you said you're already ahead. Yes, I've had to do the same. Lately, it appears more than usual.
Just returned from work and have a lot of cleaning to do in the room prior to me being able to go to sleep. Unfortunately, I did an SR session too close to the time I normally go to bed and will be up for a while afterwards as well. The time kind of snuck up on me.:-( You ever felt fresh as a daisy at 12:30 at night?
Thank you and GOD BLESS you as well.:-)
In Reply to: Re: Thanks, but No Thanks? posted by Charity on April 20, 2002 at 16:39:44:
Thanks, Charity, et al.
MY life was saved by heroic surgery for a week long ruptured appendix in 1944 (My family doctor, up until that time, had missed the diagnosis for a week.)--topical sulfanilimide had just become available to the general public. The surgeons gave me 1/10,000 chance of survival. My surgical wound was left open and they sprinkled the sulfa powder inside my abdominal cavity several times a day for 2 weeks and finally sent me home to die. SO, I owe my life to allopathic medicine.
I am an MD so, my training was in a hospital.
I still feel the same way the rest of you do about going to a hospital--for anything other than an acute trauma--I would sooner die.
Namaste` to us all.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: releasing posted by Jan on April 20, 2002 at 20:17:32:
Hi, Jan & Charity.
Please forgive me for jumping in here but.......
Your discussion gives me another opportunity to remind everyone of the magic of Rolfing and HellerWork.
Memories like this are stored in our structural muscle and especially fascial tissue. They are almost impossible to relieve behaviorally but pretty simple to release physically if the person is trained to do so.
Hope this helps.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: releasing posted by Jan on April 20, 2002 at 20:17:32:
With EFT, you do go through an emotional recall of the past afflicting memory. Thats part of how it works at releasing. It has become one of the most popular forms of releasing being currently used by spiritual healers and even psychologists.
My first healer last year introduced me to it. A psychologist, recommended it to me as well. Its one of the booming techniques being used in the healing industry.This is due to its success rate and also its simplicity. Its success with phobias and traumas is phenomenal. It works with the meridians of the body.
There is tons of info. on the net about EFT. You can download it for free and trial it yourself. I did, and got good results. Unfortunately, I have a lot of self sabotage issues to deal with and didnt persevere like I should have. Probably cos it was working. Be careful though, it is very confrontational work with EFT. Have a look on the net and see what you think.
In Reply to: Re: releasing posted by Sensual To Jan on April 21, 2002 at 22:52:07:
So many have recommended this EFT - tapping ?!?! OK when you say meridians, now it is making a bit more sense! I want to look at this now. Thanks.
In Reply to: Re: releasing (Archive in HellerWork.) posted by Walt Stoll on April 21, 2002 at 09:09:26:
Please forgive me for jumping in here but.......
Please do! It is on my mind lately.
By the way when you use the word BRACING I know *exactly* what that is, so vividly - although most of the time one is not aware of it. I got the direct experience during a course of primal therapy, oddly enough. It has been quite a few years since I did any kind of releasing work and I really only did one thing formally, the primal therapy. My experience with it was mixed as I found the more I opened up emotionally, the tenser my body armor became (i.e. the more I became conscious of it), and the more my mind raced. I soon felt like I was walking around with a steel musculature all over and a runaway mind.
That was so unpleasant it could not go on. After months of having no means to get beyond it I said this is for the Birds!!! and quit. After all that work and I end up in such an impasse. I'd been warned by my therapist against using Rolfing to move through this because it could bring things up "out of sequence" - not necessarily what you were most ready to work on right then, and was warned you could end up going crazy. (...Have you ever known anyone rolfed going crazy ?)
I 'spose it is a good thing to be conservative... but then this could have been a lot of hooey. There is often quite a bit of competition between different modalities and their "turfs"! It seems at least one person had a LOT of trouble with it, though. This person was in quite a bit of trouble, already.... Course some rolfers are better than others, I'm sure, and different things work for different people. Some people took to primal like ducks to water. (shrug!)
In Reply to: Re: releasing (Archive in HellerWork.) posted by Jan on April 22, 2002 at 09:08:41:
Are there some negative effects to Rolfing?
Also is primal therapy that you speak of the same as Rolfing.?
Thanks
Sensual
In Reply to: Re: releasing (Archive in HellerWork.) posted by Sensual to Jan on April 22, 2002 at 11:18:44:
Are there some negative effects to Rolfing?
I don't know much about it - beyond the opinion of certain primal therapists, and one person's negative experience. (Plus the positive comments here.)
Also is primal therapy that you speak of the same as Rolfing.?
No. While not knowing that much about Rolfing, I feel safe to say that Rolfing (and Hellerwork which is a refinement of Rolfing, apparently) works with the structure of the body; primal therapy works with the emotions and mental life (and the body secondarily). They are quite different in method even though the goals are similar - to free up the bodymind.
You can go here to read about the theory of primal therapy on the website of its originator. (I did the real mccoy, not one of the many knock-offs)
The theory is near perfect, but the successful application of it can be quite elusive. The context is too negative. How can you want what you don't want? Pain is what you DON'T want. In this sense, Rolfing or Hellerwork seem more positive, as the goal is a healthy well functioning bodymind. If pains are liberated in the process, well that's just what happens.
The best way to do primal therapy IMO is to learn the mechanisms and the theory - then walk away and forget about the whole thing. :-)
Hmmm... Maybe some other time I'll try and put my finger on what is still bothering me about this... else it becomes too long now.
I guess it's that the primal theory insists that unless you consciously connect with all those old pains, they remain in there festering in the "primal pool" distorting and messing up your consciousness, until relived and felt in all their intensity. It insists that meditation and spiritual practice are coverup and evasion to the extent they don't result in feeling that old stuff. I DON'T think it's that simple.
In Reply to: Re: releasing (Archive in HellerWork.) posted by Jan on April 22, 2002 at 09:08:41:
Thanks, Jan.
In MY opinion your therpist is a DoDo. She should not try to talk about stuff she is not knowledgable about.
Most Rolfers and HellerWorkers are Clinical Psychologists BEFORE their training in releasing stuff through the body like this.
I would be interested in seing ANY research indicating psychological damage from either one of these wonderful techniques.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: releasing (Archive in HellerWork.) posted by Jan to Sensual on April 23, 2002 at 06:59:13:
Thanks for your input, Jan.
I have decided to seek out a qualified Rolfer. To try and release past traumatic incidents from my childhood that I "know" I am holding onto in my body and in my psyche. Letting go of the past is the advice I get given all the time without being told the hows of it. It sure is easier to say than it is to actually do it, especially for me. I hurt easily and hold onto things cos of the pain caused is deep, or I am deeply affected by it.
Will update you later on how the rolfing goes. I am a little anxious about it. I have heard that it can be quite painful, and I am a baby when it comes to pain, as I guess it is similar to a deep tissue massage. Ouch! ;-)
Sensual
In Reply to: Re: releasing (Archive in HellerWork.) posted by Sensual To Jan on April 24, 2002 at 22:05:04:
Remember, Sensual.
Resistance is what causes pain with massage and with Rolfing.
If, as soon as you can feel ANY discomfort, you give into the pressure, any pain will instantly disappear.
Your Rolfer knows that bodywork is a "dance" with the Rolfer and the Rolfee partners doing the dancing.
Talk to your Rolfer!
Let us know of your experience.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: releasing (Archive in HellerWork.) posted by Walt Stoll on April 25, 2002 at 09:12:28:
Hi Walt
I just got back from a different kind of "dancing". My Salsa dancing class. Its such great fun dancing and one way to get me to exercise too. Has to be fun or I am not in it! Not good, I know, ;-) I am working on my self discipline.
I will be looking in the yellow pages to find a Rolfer who can do the "dance" for me. I am sure it will help some current issues I have at the moment. My body has definitely held onto stress. I feel it so obvious even in my breathing, which tends to be strained and I "know" this is from anxiety and unresolved issues expressing themselves through my body.
Wish me luck!
Sensual
In Reply to: Re: releasing (Archive in HellerWork.) posted by Sensual To Walt on April 25, 2002 at 09:44:00:
Thanks, Sensual.
Luck!
It really would help make each session more effective if you would read up on it first.
Walt
Hello Daisy,
getting to a certain brainwave level (i.e. theta @ 7.82 hz) for example, but one ends up
bored stiff while there. Even the machines with "programs" that shifted the tones or varied
them in some way grew dull. As a form of relaxation Skilled or not it left a lot to be desired, and I had always thought that
is why it took place while you were sleeping: because the dreams were the entertainment...
relax you very deeply, it is also going to start the process of restructuring your body's
energy system and in doing so, churn up past and hidden mental, emotional and psychic trauma
for the purpose of releasing it. This isn't always a smooth ride, and the literature tells you
this. If spiritual/[advanced technologies in addition to
a superior meditative state.
Gregory
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Posted by BarbaraN on April 17, 2002 at 19:52:34:
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Posted by Charity on April 17, 2002 at 20:39:36:
That is scary I went through some pretty bad things as a child I don't want to remember what I remember is bad enough I know I have blocked some things that was so traumatic I would be scared to bring it back to the surface.
I have blocked the first five years from my mind because I didn't want to remember.
Charity
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Swept Under The Rug Of The Mind.
Posted by Gregory on April 17, 2002 at 22:17:27:
Charity,
poisoning and degrading your mental and emotional health. Releasing is just that. The memories are bought to the surface and released. You don't re-live them,
and you don't wallow in them. Would you "walk around" with a broken leg because
you don't like the receptionist at the hospital?
Lightwalking,
Gregory
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Posted by Taurus on April 18, 2002 at 01:12:33:
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Posted by jody on April 18, 2002 at 07:17:33:
I've been doing Centerpointe for four months now and I'm hooked big time. Before that I did Brain Sync and Gateway -- neither of which i liked after a couple of weeks. And before that I did TM. Now I combine TM with centerpointe.
Good luck
Jody
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I understand I guess if I want to get better I will go through with it.
Posted by Charity on April 18, 2002 at 09:16:43:
Charity
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Re: Centerpointe vs. Meditation for SR - My Opinion--Charity
Posted by B.B. on April 18, 2002 at 22:55:49:
Charity
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to Charity - I understand I guess if I want to get better I will go through with it.
Posted by Kim on April 19, 2002 at 01:57:33:
Your memories must be very painful. I can understand why you don't want to do Centerpointe. I don't know if it's such a good idea to release them in that manner for you.
Have you tried counceling or therapy? The great thing about that avenue is when you remember those
bad memories, you have someone there with you. Your
life is greatly affected by those memories whether you
remember them or not. I hope someday you will be
able to face them so you can be whole.
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Posted by Imagine that :O) on April 19, 2002 at 02:08:19:
You seem to be a colorful character.....You have added
a different flavor to the BB. You certainly keep
everybody on their toes!
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Posted by Charity on April 19, 2002 at 09:32:02:
Charity
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Posted by Kim on April 19, 2002 at 13:28:03:
I think thats beautiful that your dad called you Charity
because he saw that need! You have turned your hatred and hurt into something positive. That's healing in itself!
Take Care!
Kim
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Posted by Charity on April 19, 2002 at 18:10:22:
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Posted by kim on April 19, 2002 at 18:52:51:
thanks for sharing Charity!
Kim
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Posted by Charity on April 19, 2002 at 19:16:57:
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I found it!!! Thanks.
Posted by Charity on April 19, 2002 at 19:42:16:
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Thanks, but No Thanks?
Posted by Gregory on April 19, 2002 at 21:51:17:
Charity,
hit by a car. The surgery lasted almost half a day and surgeons performed without
administering anesthesia to me. I failed to pass out, and screamed until I had no voice
left. The Hospital administrators were as incompetent as the surgeons and put me into
the psych ward because they were short of beds. My mother stayed with me all night to make
sure the idiots who came around to administer the powerful anit-depressants drugs didn't
accidentally give me a dose. When I finally recovered enough to leave the hosital,
it was with the deepest and most implaccable hatred for doctors and hospitals.
has not abated.
it happened, and much progress has been made. Centerpointe release is all about releasing
it in a way that isn't harmful or painful. There is nothing to "go through" that is some way
is going to force you to "re-live" the memory. If I have not made that clear, my appologies.
Centerpointe has help me to release this particular memory or at the very least the more
painful aspects of it. Just thought you should know.
Gregory
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Posted by Empathetic on April 19, 2002 at 22:22:10:
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Gregory
Posted by Charity on April 19, 2002 at 23:45:21:
Thanks for the understanding. Sorry for taking so long to get to your posting. I had to take our pickup into a town 45 mins away to get tires on it. My problem is I don't know if that is all that my mind is hiding but I don't think I really want to find out. During that time other tings happend too. So who knows what is all behind it. I have come to peace with the next five years Of my life (What I remember of it.) which was a tough thing for me. I got to see my daughter in the premie unit in Dallas Texas, they had a tube in her mouth and she was crying and screaming and not a sound was coming out, I left the hospital that day crying myself. I don't know if that was like some of the things that I went through or not. She was only in there for six weeks thank God. And I understand what you are saying, I will have the memory but mabe an echo of the feelings I had at the time. It will be like a shadow of what I went through am I correct?
Charity
Charity
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Yes, A shadow, if even that...
Posted by Gregory on April 20, 2002 at 03:44:33:
the load lightens. that is all you are aware of...
Gregory
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Posted by Sensual on April 20, 2002 at 05:20:42:
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Posted by Raisa on April 20, 2002 at 08:24:33:
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Posted by Gregory on April 20, 2002 at 15:09:35:
Raisa,
My mother was by my side until she got in the way of the surgeons. They did not give me
anesthesia, I was told, because it would "interfere" with their work.
even to visit someone else.
that is why I choose Centerpointe.
Gregory
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Posted by Charity on April 20, 2002 at 16:39:44:
Charity
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Posted by B.B. on April 20, 2002 at 17:58:50:
Hi, Charity
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Re: Thanks, but No Thanks?
Posted by Raisa on April 20, 2002 at 18:06:48:
Namaste`
Raisa
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Um Raisa, I was not 2. I was in 2nd Grade...and...
Posted by Gregory on April 20, 2002 at 18:41:48:
and I was in shock. She probably was too. I remember her hair turned white almost overnight.
Almost everything is crystal clear like it happened yesterday. The clarity can't be
real though. Shock means your body has been flooded with endorphines. Recollection should
be hazy under those circumstances. The pain wasn't though. That was plenty clear enough.
Gregory
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Re: Um Raisa, I was not 2. I was in 2nd Grade...and...
Posted by Raisa on April 20, 2002 at 18:59:47:
The fact that you are still getting over it shows what effect childhood events have on us. Can you imagine what horrible vague memories the Afghani babies will have who survive? And children who survive childhood abuse? That's where SR comes in to play. Namaste`
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Re: releasing
Posted by Jan on April 20, 2002 at 20:17:32:
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Re: Thanks, but No Thanks?--Charity
Posted by Charity on April 20, 2002 at 21:07:46:
Well thanks for listening and GOD BLESS
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Re: releasing
Posted by Charity on April 20, 2002 at 21:16:21:
Charity
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Re: Thanks, but No Thanks?--Charity
Posted by B.B. on April 21, 2002 at 00:48:19:
Hi, Charity
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Re: Thanks, but No Thanks? (Archive in philosophy.)
Posted by Walt Stoll on April 21, 2002 at 08:27:08:
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Re: releasing (Archive in HellerWork.)
Posted by Walt Stoll on April 21, 2002 at 09:09:26:
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Re: releasing
Posted by Sensual To Jan on April 21, 2002 at 22:52:07:
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Re: releasing
Posted by Jan to Sensual on April 22, 2002 at 08:08:10:
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Re: releasing (Archive in HellerWork.)
Posted by Jan on April 22, 2002 at 09:08:41:
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Re: releasing (Archive in HellerWork.)
Posted by Sensual to Jan on April 22, 2002 at 11:18:44:
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Re: releasing (Archive in HellerWork.)
Posted by Jan to Sensual on April 23, 2002 at 06:59:13:
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Re: releasing (Archive in HellerWork.)
Posted by Walt Stoll on April 23, 2002 at 09:45:28:
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Re: releasing (Archive in HellerWork.)
Posted by Sensual To Jan on April 24, 2002 at 22:05:04:
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Re: releasing (Archive in HellerWork.)
Posted by Walt Stoll on April 25, 2002 at 09:12:28:
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Re: releasing (Archive in HellerWork.)
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Re: releasing (Archive in HellerWork.)
Posted by Walt Stoll on April 26, 2002 at 17:02:49:
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