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Hi,
Many board members have been asking about Centerpointe as a SR product, and some have been asking
While I cannot speak to the EternaMags ability to make you immortal, I find they do help with
For me, they are going to be used for ultra-long SR meditation sessions with Centerpointe,
Centerpointe is, in my opinion the Rolls-Royce of SR/Meditation programs. If SR is all
There are other technologies involved, but suffice to say the whatever complementary
At the higher levels of the program, you record your own affirmations for incorporation
I have already noticed changes in the way I talk to myself, and what I believe is possible.
Lightwalking,
In Reply to: Double Review Centerpointe & EternaMags posted by Gregory on April 21, 2002 at 14:27:23:
Currently, Holosync is bringing me constant overwhelm and not relaxation! (am doing AP) This is not going away so I need to get with support. I am willing to do the work to get through this because I sense it is the right path for me.
At least in the short run however, if want the benefits of daily SR I probably need to do something else.
What do you personally (Gregory) do about your 2+ sessions a day that Walt recommends? if you don't mind of course
In Reply to: Re: Double Review Centerpointe & EternaMags posted by Jan on April 21, 2002 at 15:04:10:
First Jan,
My session last between 1 and 1.5 hours at at time, so I don't feel the compulsion to do
Lightwalking,
In Reply to: 2 + sessions per day is not the Recommended Daily Allowance. posted by Gregory on April 21, 2002 at 15:14:13:
Thanks, Gregory.
"more is not better"
If YOU are getting the benefits of the relaxation, great.
As I recall, Walt's recommendation is that frequency of sessions is the ticket, rather than total time. Indeed, more is not better.
The intuitive sense of this TO ME is that the more often you do SR, the closer to zero your stress buildup stays. As for WHY this is, I'm not sure he knows why and says this is based on empirical evidence, rather than a theory.
Clearly, Centerpointe is different. In the long run this whole thing is probably nit-picking and I'm sure we will all learn something. I do know however that in the short run I am a nervous wreck!!! I understand....not to worry. Unlike many people however, I never meditated before so my only experiences of un-bracing are stuff like laughing, crying, good sex, or a hot bubble bath ! There are also some wellness variables I can tweak... and I may follow up on the Rolfing or massage idea.
In Reply to: Re: 2 + sessions per day is not the Recommended Daily Allowance. posted by Jan on April 21, 2002 at 16:26:49:
Jan, aren't we are all different...?
I don't want to start a meditation pandemonium here...I simply don't think it is a method that works equally well for all. By sharing some of my experience, I don't want to start a debate, just give an opinion.
It is not that I can't do it, but rather that I function differently. I always preferred doing something with causes of stress. That in turn demanded raising my awareness of how I live, raising my self-esteem and minimising the impact of stress by choosing to do what I really enjoy doing. What stresses me the most is being unhappy. No amount of meditation could help me get over a feeling that I disliked my job. I had to get out of it, plus, not just embark on a new one that will be just as inadequate.
This, of course, requires a whole different kind of determination than doing meditation couple of times a day. But after this major change, I found out that I can control to a large degree how much stress I expose myself to. This means different things. For example that I don't drink, and don't consume anything that makes me edgy, apart form on an odd occasion, and if I do, I just enjoy it.
Of course, stress times peak, and sometimes I need to relax. What relaxes me is to go to a place I've never been to before, walk around and just watch. Visiting a gallery or a museum is equivalent to deep relaxation for me. Drawing does the same trick for me (it shuts off completely the verbal part of the mind, as long as I do it). Otherwise I'd subscribe to the types of relaxation you mentioned. Most of my day I sit alone and study. I am in a position where I can control how much socialising I want to do, as too much of it is one trigger of stress to me (even though I love socialising, it tires me out). Identifying what my sources of stress are, and developing a personal strategy for dealing with them - plus accepting how my own mind works - has helped me.
I still think that the recommendation to meditate is a good one, with a caution that it works out differently for different people. I have friends who are meditation instructors, and they say that it certainly doesn't work for everyone. 'Know Thyself' is a good maxim to live by.
All the best
In Reply to: Re: 2 + sessions per day is not the Recommended Daily Allowance. posted by Sonja on April 21, 2002 at 17:41:57:
...in the first sentence I meant to say "doesn't work equally well for all".
In Reply to: Re: 2 + sessions per day is not the Recommended Daily Allowance. posted by Sonja on April 21, 2002 at 17:41:57:
Hi, Sonja -
In Reply to: Re: 2 + sessions per day is not the Recommended Daily Allowance. posted by Raisa on April 21, 2002 at 18:29:12:
I am glad that you did 'but in'...it makes me feel that I managed to communicate my message well.
All the best
Sonja
In Reply to: Re: 2 + sessions per day is not the Recommended Daily Allowance. posted by Sonja on April 21, 2002 at 17:41:57:
Hi, Sonja. If I can sum up the gist of what I think you are saying - "Don't overemphasize the tapes - listen to yourself! It's what happens the other 23 hours of your day...." I couldn't agree more.
Doing the tapes without the transformative effort in the rest of your life would be a sad joke...
I guess it sounded like I was complaining, but all in all, I like how it pushes me. Past experience tells me that this is good, not bad. Thing is, I resonate with their paradigm. It touches a deep chord. Now, we shall see what it can deliver if I do MY part.
Then, there is the issue outside of this discomfort will it help my 3-legged stool for me to do some straight relaxation a la stress reduction workbook, and I think it probably will.
* * *
Clearly, you've done a lot of good work on knowing yourself. This shines through.
Now think of the things that stress you and the things that relieve stress - does this not change? Don't you find that it is dynamic? No matter how comfortable and even necessary the existing arrangement of things feels today, it was once new, untried, and distinctly uncomfortable. Change is how we got wherever we are, and change is how we’ll continue the trip. I think this speaks to something you talked about before!
It's a paradox and a fine line. Know thyself, but neither always give in to thyself. (This is a biggie for me - can't say for anyone else.) Another thing. Reflexive self-beliefs tell me I can't handle ANYthing. This belief is harder to get away from than the mall and the TV set and the boss's ego. This is a self-generated lie. "You are more than you think"
The best to you. Jan
In Reply to: Re: 2 + sessions per day is not the Recommended Daily Allowance. posted by Jan on April 21, 2002 at 19:50:13:
Yepp, there is a dynamics between causes and reactions. Developing mental flexibility helps to maintain a balance between change and stability.
Oh, boy...I sound like I can't speak the normal language anymore. 'Never stop learning' sounds better :)
S.
In Reply to: Re: 2 + sessions per day is not the Recommended Daily Allowance. posted by Sonja on April 21, 2002 at 20:30:52:
At least you didn't say "I resonate with the paradigm" - sheesh did I really write that? LMAO !!
In Reply to: Double Review Centerpointe & EternaMags posted by Gregory on April 21, 2002 at 14:27:23:
Thanks, Gregory.
The most cost effective amount of time to spend with SR is 20 minutes twice a day. More helps but not as much per minute. Less reduces the benefits/minute of the time actually spent.
My note was more for those who responded than to this note.
Namaste`
Walt
In Reply to: no speaka da normal language ? posted by Jan on April 22, 2002 at 08:02:24:
LOL...I luv da normal language!
Take care
Sonja
In Reply to: Double Review Centerpointe & EternaMags posted by Gregory on April 21, 2002 at 14:27:23:
Thank you for your great post! I have never heard of the EternaMag stuff. I went to Alex's website to check it out. I am a beleiver in the use of magnets, though. I had injured my knee and it was swollen, stiff, and sore for 3 weeks. I decided to try ceramic magnets that I bought at a local hardware store for 2 bucks. I lightly wrapped my knee with a ace bandage, inserted the magnets, and went to sleep for the night. I did this for 3 nights and what a difference it made! The swelling went down, the soreness went away. In short, I solved the problem with magnets within 3 days.
You state that you use Alex's magnets in conjuction with long sessions of Centerpointe. Which ones do you use? Fingers or toes/feet? I assume you wear them when you're sleeping?
Thanks again for the excellent post.
In Reply to: Question for Gregory posted by Mary on April 22, 2002 at 23:58:03:
about Alex Chiu's Immortality Devices. I have used both, Centerpoint obviously much longer.
a problem with Centerpointe. Namely the grogginess and fatigue that often accompanies one
of these sessions. The EternaMags completely eliminate the fog and fatigue. At first I thought
it was a fluke, so I gave the 'Mags the acid test: A half hour of Dive, followed by 1 hour of
Immersion. Such a technique in the past would guarantee a "zone-out" of several hours. This
time though, zone out time was reduced to about 10 seconds or about the time it takes to return
to "full waking consciousness." Alex recommends wearing them to bed in order to accelerate
healing. I can attest to this ability of the devices. They do indeed accelerate healing.
I saw damage to skin surrounding my nails heal about 80% in one case, and new skin
(regenerated on my feet) 100% in another.
speaking of which...
you are after, then the estimate $150 price tag is going to seem a bit high, and that I agree with.
However that said, there is more than meets the ear with Centerpointe. Bill Harris incorporated
several audio technologies into Centerpointe which are effective stand-alone technologies in their own
right. There is the work of Oliver Lowery's Silent Subliminals, Dr. Alfred Tomatis' Auditory Integration Technique ,
plus all the original brainwave syncronization work like binaural beats which is the main technology utilized in products like
Kelly Howard's Brainsync.
technology Bill Harris could include that would be of value, he did. The program
is designed not only for Stress Release/Skilled Relaxation>
but also for restructuring the energy pathways of the bodymind, which in turn facilitates release of old and limiting ways of dealing with problems and issues.
into your mind. For the "so what? crowd" what this means is that gradually these affirmations
replace the self-sabotage messages that to a large extent run your life by creating your reality.
If all you are after is SR, then Centerpointe is not for you and there is certainly
nothing wrong with with that. If you are looking to make some sweeping changes along
with your SR, then at least consider Centerpointe.
Gregory
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Re: Double Review Centerpointe & EternaMags
Posted by Jan on April 21, 2002 at 15:04:10:
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2 + sessions per day is not the Recommended Daily Allowance.
Posted by Gregory on April 21, 2002 at 15:14:13:
2 sessions per day. I have recently changed my "diet" of meditation to longer sessions
using the EternaMags so I may end up doing 3 hours per day of SR/Meditation, which might
be excessive. I guess it will level out eventually to 2 hours. For the time being, 1 hour is enough, given what Centerpointe does. It is pretty
heavy duty, and in this case more is not better.
Gregory
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Posted by Jan on April 21, 2002 at 16:26:49:
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Posted by Sonja on April 21, 2002 at 17:41:57:
I discovered I am hypersensitive to noise, so I avoid busy malls and noisy places, and wear earplugs (on plane, or in a noisy place). I eat and sleep fairly regularly. If I have a problem, I try to do something about it. Prefer to bring things out in the open, than wait and see. If I cannot get rid of a problem, I just accept it. What a simple sentence. But learning this was the largest source of inner peace for me. I would always react to things I could not possibly change. Learning to accept what I cannot change has ridden me of a great deal of internal stress.
Also, I am a brooding kind of person and have a tendency to dissociate; my problem is not that I cannot let my mind go, but that it won't come back :) and this is one of the most important reasons that I don't meditate intentionally. (I do it unintentionally anyway).
Sonja
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correction
Posted by Sonja on April 21, 2002 at 17:47:48:
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Posted by Raisa on April 21, 2002 at 18:29:12:
I hope you won't mind my butting in. I just want you to know that I agree totally with your thinking. And I think that Walt has said that in so many words; i.e. that each person meditates in any way in which he/she feels comfortable and gets results. That's what I've always thought he meant by SR, anyhow. It's doing whatever it takes to keep your body/mind in one piece. It's all relative....that's the way I understand it. I personally like The Relaxation Company tapes such as "Soma", but I haven't been doing this long enough to even pretend to come close to being an expert. The things you are doing to relax are working for you, and I agree with you that that is what is the important thing. Namaste` Raisa
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Posted by Sonja on April 21, 2002 at 18:37:02:
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Posted by Sonja on April 21, 2002 at 20:30:52:
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no speaka da normal language ?
Posted by Jan on April 22, 2002 at 08:02:24:
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Re: Double Review Centerpointe & EternaMags (Archive in SR.)
Posted by Walt Stoll on April 22, 2002 at 08:26:44:
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Re: no speaka da normal language ?
Posted by Sonja on April 22, 2002 at 16:52:25:
Too much abstracting leads us out of this reality, if you know what I mean :)
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Posted by Mary on April 22, 2002 at 23:58:03:
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Posted by Gregory on April 23, 2002 at 01:21:45:
Mary,
I am using the High Gauss Rating Neodymium Magnets, fingers only. So far I am having very
The results have been very pleasing, and I look forward to evaluating the longer term effects
You may also be interested in this technology "powered" by magnets. I have actually built the unit pictured below.
Lightwalking,
In Reply to: Answers For Mary posted by Gregory on April 23, 2002 at 01:21:45:
Hi Gregory,
Thanks for the information. Did you purchase the rings from Alex? I don't remember his mentioning the high gauss rating neodymium magnets on his website.
Mary
In Reply to: Double Review Centerpointe & EternaMags posted by Gregory on April 21, 2002 at 14:27:23:
Gregory
What causes this "zone out" feeling being caused by Centerpointe??? I find it quite off putting.
When I practised TM, I too would occasionally experience this wipe out feeling. But it wasnt as intense as Centerpointe. It does appear to be getting better though but I have to practise the meditation earlyin the day. If I practise it early evening, I am shot for the rest of the night, and have to go to bed pretty soon after meditating.
You obviously have been practising centerpointe longer than I am, so why are you still experiencing this wipeout feeling????
Sensual
In Reply to: Re: Double Review Centerpointe & EternaMags posted by Sensual on May 04, 2002 at 19:57:44:
Centerpointe has 13 main levels, and each level has 3 sub levels. Starting with
When you can go through a week of Dive/Immersion without zone out AND have run the tape for the prescribed amount
good results during Centerpointe and during sleep also.
If the mangets weren't prone to rusting,
I'd be using them during my showering to as it is extremely relaxing also.
of use.
and it produces physiological changes as well as shifts in consciousness.
Gregory
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Posted by Mary on April 24, 2002 at 03:01:14:
It's late and I'm pretty tired. I'll take a closer look at the link you posted for the one you built, tomorrow.
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Posted by Sensual on May 04, 2002 at 19:57:44:
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heeeeeeeeeeeeee WIPEOUT!
Posted by Gregory on May 05, 2002 at 07:38:11:
Sensual,
If SRis like changing a flat on a car, then Centerpointe is changing all for tires, upgrading the
breaks, washing the car inside and out, and putting in a new, more powerful engine.
level 2 (Awakening 1)
You program includes affirmations. As these affirmations usually end up addressing
areas you wish to improve, in addition to each subsequent level being more powerful
than the last, zone out can still occur most readily. The payoff is that change is
occuring at an even greater rate subjectively and thus "zone out" is easily tolerated.
Zone Out is most likely caussed by temporary neural structure overload. In an
effort to compensate for
an increased information load with an inadequete processing and storage system, your
brain shuts down as much it can, and usually takes your consciousness with it.
When you "come to" your abilities (even though initially you don't notice) have been changed
to handle the increased load a little. The zone out show you that you still have a ways to go.
of time, you are ready for the next level.
Lightwalking,
Gregory
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