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hey doc, i like your site. my question is this, i have ibs, maybe colitis, i feel inflamation, but haven;t had a colonoscopy yet. i had seen a holistic guy, got my magnesium checked,and it was on low side of normal. i bracen constantly from stress,and i am doing sr. the holistic doc doesnt do mag injections,and the supplements dont seem so help. i am taking solgars chelated mag with the albion approval.it's mag glycinate. i'm always on the constipated side from bracing and spasms. now, ever doc i call to see for mag injections all want me to pay like 300 bucks for a consult. i just want the injections.
what should i do, and how much do the mag injections cost(so i don't get ripped off).
also have you heard of an aloe product called a.m.p, it is the healing molecule of aloe that has had great results for all digestive problems
In Reply to: dr stoll posted by mike on June 25, 2002 at 11:34:23:
Hi Mike,
I start my magnesium IVs next week, at a price of $500 for the series of 6.
I found an MD willing to do it by taking the magnesium information out of the archives and putting it into a very formal and nicely worded letter and faxed it to several doctors (one at a time) who I thought might be willing to do it. I finally got a positive response with the fourth doctor I approached.
Also don't forget the option of doing the rolfing sessions or the six deep tissue massages in two weeks. I've just had my third massage of six and with each one, I feel better!!
Best wishes,
Happygal Jan
In Reply to: dr stoll posted by mike on June 25, 2002 at 11:34:23:
Hi, Mike.
Listen to happygal.
I do not think that magnesium would be the highest thing on MY list for you but SR certainly would be. Before I would go to IV magnesium, I would try large doses of magnesium glycinate for a couple of weeks to see what THAT would do. Probiotics would come about next and things like the aloe and L-glutamine about next.
Let us know how you do.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: dr stoll posted by Walt Stoll on June 26, 2002 at 08:37:13:
Doc, what would you consider a high dose of magnesium glycinate? I'm about finished with my third bottle of KAL brand, taking 6 tablets (1200mg) daily. It hasn't done a thing for me, in terms of muscle relaxation or improving my chronic muscle pain & tension. I'm combining it with SR, daily walking and stretching, twice-monthly professional trigger point and trouble spot massage and chiropractic, self-massage, and I've had 3 rolfing treatments so far with 3 more scheduled for July.
Nutmeg
In Reply to: Re: dr stoll posted by Happygal on June 26, 2002 at 00:36:29:
Hi Mike,
Two other things really helped me with my muscle tension.
The first is stretching. I stretch at least 20 minutes a day. Stretching is always done slowly, more so at the beginning. When you're just starting, only do a few muscles very slowly. Add other muscles later after the first ones become more relaxed. Stretching should never hurt, but I've found the key to success here is to really feel the stretch in the muscles -- pay attention to your body rather than doing it by rote. If there is pain, you're trying to stretch too much or going too fast.
After a year and a half of daily practice, I was stretching out my whole body in 20 minutes and the practice became just maintenance. This is a lifetime practice for me!
The second thing that really helps is rebounding. If I tighten up due to a stressful day, 10 minutes helps loosen up and relaxes them.
Good luck!
Happygal
In Reply to: Re: dr stoll---speaking of mag glycinate... posted by Nutmeg on June 26, 2002 at 23:12:56:
Hi Nutmeg,
A few questions:
Are you practicing SR twice a day? Have you had it checked with biofeedback to be sure you're reaching alpha? How long have you been practicing it?
Have you eliminated caffeine, sugar, and all other stimulants from your diet?
What's going on in your life?
For me, it took correct practice of SR to get maximum benefits from it. Second, I found that doing the Perfect Whole Foods Diet added quite a bit of relaxation to my body. Third, I've seen over and over again (in my own life and with clients) how eliminating major stressors (including unresolved past emotional issues) can restore ease and relaxation to a life.
Not one of these things worked for me, but the synchronistic combination of all. Keep looking!
Best wishes,
Happygal
In Reply to: Re: dr stoll---speaking of mag glycinate... posted by Happygal on June 27, 2002 at 10:32:32:
Hi Walt,
I'm really interested in understanding more about how 90% of stress is chemical, etc. and only 10% is psychosocial.
You mentioned in my coaching session that the source of this information was Norm Shealy.
Could you direct me to a book or other information by him where I could read some of the details? I think I'm not grasping this completely yet because I don't have enough information. I really want to "get it." Thanks.
Namaste`
Happygal Jan
In Reply to: Re: dr stoll---speaking of getting out of FOF posted by Happygal for Walt on June 27, 2002 at 11:04:10:
Hi, happygal.
Norm discusses this in many of his books.
Your librarian could get you a list of all his books and you can choose one of the early ones to read.
this is also described in Dr Pelletier's classic, "Mind as Healer, Mind as Slayer" also available through your library.
Let us know what you learn.
De Selye, was the first to describe this concept.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: dr stoll---speaking of mag glycinate... posted by Nutmeg on June 26, 2002 at 23:12:56:
Hi, Nutmeg.
Sounds to me as though you are one of those who are going to need some IVs.
In addition, just off the top of my head, 1200 milligrams of magnesium glycinate is about 300 milligrams of elemental magnesium--- not NEARLY enough for a therapeutic trial.
Also, listen to happygal. How did you ceretify your SR?
Walt
In Reply to: Re: dr stoll---speaking of mag glycinate... posted by Walt Stoll on June 27, 2002 at 16:45:04:
If the glycinate really provides that little of elemental magnesium, then I would have to take 24 of these Kal tablets to get the recommended 1200 mg daily. I don't want to do that because there is so much crap (cellulose, stearic acid, magnesium stearate) in them.
I know you don't recommend magnesium citrate because it's not supposed to be absorbable, but why do people on this board often suggest Natural Calm or one of the other brands you mix with hot water and drink? So, is there a pure source of absorbable magnesium out there? Any other brands or formulas you can recommend?
In Reply to: Re: dr stoll---speaking of mag glycinate... posted by Happygal on June 27, 2002 at 10:32:32:
Thanks for your reply & questions.
I have not certified my SR, but I typically reach the relaxation response that's outlined on this website (in the glossary, maybe?) I truly don't know how to certify it, and I have not found any description of that, to date, in the archives. Been meaning to ask that question on this board. We have a sleep lab here, but I don't think they would be affordable for a non-insurable visit to measure brain wave activity. There is no listing in the yellow pages for biofeedback. Where else should I look? I can't really buy a biofeedback machine.
I started SR in September '01 and did it regularly, usually twice a day until January. Then I stopped it for about 2 months (family emergency, since resolved) and restarted it. I do SR twice a day, almost every day, for at least 20 minutes, and I follow the recommendations about timing.
I haven't consumed sugar, wheat, caffeine, or alcohol for 2-5 years. As I mentioned in my other post, I combine SR with daily walking and stretching, twice-monthly professional trigger point and trouble spot massage and
chiropractic, self-massage, and I've had 3 rolfing treatments so far with 3 more scheduled for July. The rolfer says these next sessions (#4, 5, & 6) will get at the core of the body and some of the emotional issues related to pain and old injuries. My diet is constantly being revised, but it's essentially a liberal whole foods diet, with lots of raw and living foods. No junk food and I juice a lot of vegetables, in addition to eating them raw and cooked.
My life is going pretty well, although there is always a lot going on. I try to minimize all types of stress, including chemical and physical. Probably the hardest thing for me is finding enough time in the day to accomplish everything that needs to be done, including food preparation and all the health-related tasks. As I've been healing, I've gotten a bit more energy and can accomplish things faster, so that helps.
Thanks for your concern and help. I'd love to hear any suggestions you might have. Glad to hear you have hit on the right combination for you and have experienced some great benefits.
Nutmeg
In Reply to: Re: dr stoll posted by Happygal on June 27, 2002 at 09:34:21:
Thanks, Happygal.
Namaste`
Walt
In Reply to: Re: dr stoll---speaking of mag glycinate... posted by Nutmeg on June 27, 2002 at 20:49:36:
Hi,Nutmeg.
Guess you are going to have to look in your unabridged dictionary for the periodic table and see how much magnesium each kind of magnesium salt has in it.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: dr stoll---speaking of mag glycinate..for Happygal. posted by Nutmeg on June 27, 2002 at 21:11:57:
Hi Nutmeg,
I have some suggestions for you which I'll put in another post.
First I'm also interested in knowing, what things you do make you and your muscles tighter, and what things you do make you and them more relaxed? I'm not just talking about the practices, but about paying attention to your body all day long.
In other words, what things help, and what things hinder?
Regards, Happyal
In Reply to: Re: dr stoll---speaking of mag glycinate... posted by Walt Stoll on June 28, 2002 at 07:13:22:
I also purchased the KAL Magnesium Glycinate 400. After reading both of your posts, I called the toll-free number on the package label and asked them how much elemental magnesium was in the product. They said 400 mgs. of elemental magnesium.
Regards, Happygal
In Reply to: Re: dr stoll---speaking of mag glycinate..for Happygal. posted by Happygal on June 28, 2002 at 09:38:22:
Hmmm, I'll try to answer what I think you're getting at.
Some types of muscle tension are unavoidable, like the way carrying a load of laundry or heavy grocery bag pulls my shoulder muscles & makes my neck hurt, or the way an uncomfortable chair (in a waiting room, for example) pitches me at the wrong angle and makes my low back and neck hurt. I try to minimize those with body mechanics and lightening loads, and stretching or self-massage afterwards, but there's only so much I can do with that.
Other things like digging in the garden, using my binoculars for extended periods, and sitting in one place for a long time I have to weigh the consequences (immediate pain or pain the next day) and make a conscious decision on whether I will do them or not.
I do pay close attention to my body most of the time, but when I am worked up about something, in a hurry, or concentrating on what I am doing, it is easy to slip into the habit of clenching something. Even when I settle down to do my SR, I sometimes realize that I'm holding my shoulders up a little or tensing my neck and not totally relaxing. Usually when I notice this I consciously release it and it feels much better. Sometimes I have to do some clench and release work or isometric exercises to get it to relax. I have a lot of trouble spots, and I'm sure this is how they have developed over the years. You could make one of those trigger point charts right on my body. I even discovered that I was clenching my lower digestive tract and bladder, and that was contributing to constipation and an irritable bladder. That is much better now that I'm conscious of how I was bracing.
Most of the damage I think I do to myself takes place while I sleep. Most nights now I can at least sleep for 4 hours or so before I wake up from something hurting (used to be 1 hour or less), but a lot of times I get up in the morning still stiff and sore (fibromyalgia). Probably I'm missing the most restorative phase of the sleep cycle. I have been able to train myself to self-protect my body while I sleep, so I don't often roll into funny positions, like sleeping on my stomach or having my neck cocked forward at a funny angle. I normally sleep on my side and use a pillow that holds my neck at a straight angle and put a pillow between my knees to ease the pressure on my hips, but I still wake up in more pain than when I went to bed. I guess I roll my shoulders in/forward a lot, sitting or sleeping, and that causes a lot of pulling in my upper back.
Is this what you meant? I value your opinion & expertise, so please let me know what else you might need to know!
Nutmeg
In Reply to: Re: dr stoll---speaking of mag glycinate... posted by Happygal - for Nutmeg and Walt on June 28, 2002 at 11:17:05:
Thanks, Happygal.
If this is true, the pill must be humoungus. I would bet that the person you spoke to misunderstood--or just did not care what you were asking. Look at the size of your 1000 milligram vitramin C tablet. This pill would have to be about 50% larger than that for there to be 400 milligrams of elemental magnesium in it.
Did you get the name of the person who told you that?
I would call back and make sure you did not get that person.
This cannot be right.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: dr stoll---speaking of mag glycinate... posted by Walt Stoll on July 01, 2002 at 06:35:07:
Okay Walt,
Healing is such an adventure.
How about this one:
Douglas Labs, Amino-Mag 200. Contains Magnesium Glycinate. When extra magnesium is needed, our Amino-Mag 200™ is an excellent choice. It supplies 200 mg. of elemental magnesium per tablet as a unique, patented amino acid chelate. This special glycinate/lysinate combination can be absorbed intact, providing high bioavailability of magnesium. Plus, it's exceptionally well-tolerated and without G.I. side-effects.
Will this one do? Five per day, right?
Happygal
In Reply to: Re: dr stoll---speaking of mag glycinate... posted by Happygal on July 07, 2002 at 15:24:30:
Right, Happygal.
Kudos to this company for actually putting this information on the lable.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: dr stoll---speaking of mag glycinate... (Archive.) posted by Walt Stoll on July 08, 2002 at 11:29:27:
If so, what brand or formula do you take? There must be some good ones out there that don't require you to swallow a boatload of crappy excipients along with the good stuff.
Thanks,
Nutmeg
In Reply to: Re: dr stoll, do you take magnesium?---speaking of mag glycinate... posted by Nutmeg on July 08, 2002 at 20:19:09:
I'm not Dr. Stoll but I'll answer.:)
For supplementation, magnesium has to always be paired with a transporter molecule such as an amino acid. (Magnesium rarely exists in nature unpaired anyway. It always combines with something.)
I think that "glycinate" is the glycine molecule. Glycine is the most abundant amino acid in the body.
So you need not be concerned with the transporter molecule. There will always be one. (There is debate over which type of transporter molecule does the best job of transporting the magnesium [glycinate? orotate? etc] but that's another issue.)
If OTHER things are listed on the label and you determine that they are not nutrients, then they (if any) would be the excipients or fillers.
(If any chemists are out there and want to explain this better please do.)
In Reply to: Re: dr stoll, do you take magnesium?---speaking of mag glycinate... posted by Jan on July 08, 2002 at 21:24:43:
Thanks, Jan. I understand that the magnesium has to be bound with something. It's the OTHER stuff on the label that I try to avoid. I'm just a purist looking for a magnesium supplement that is pure product (magnesium compound), without all the excipient binders, fillers, flowing agents, and glossy tablet coatings (magnesium stearate, croscarmellose sodium, cellulose, and the like) that have no nutritional value. Many people believe these excipients are actually harmful and can clog up livers and accumulate in body tissues.
Nutmeg
In Reply to: Re: dr stoll, do you take magnesium?---speaking of mag glycinate... posted by Nutmeg on July 08, 2002 at 22:51:03:
Oh, ok, :) I misread you then. I try to avoid that other stuff too. The less of it the better. Preferably zero.
I used to think that capsules are always better than tablets since with capsules, you avoid all the junk that goes into making a solid tablet (tableting materials, plus high heat and pressure). Then, I saw certain companies making claims that (their) tablets are better than almost any capsules, since capsules require flowing agents and fillers....
Argh. I guess that any unique marketing claim is up for grabs... The truth of the matter on this is probably "it depends."
Also, I read that apparently US federal law permits any of up to 25 chemicals to be present in any consumer product without any mention of it on the label. I don't know if this is as bad as it sounds. But I think I'll post a separate question about this.
In Reply to: Re: dr stoll, do you take magnesium?---speaking of mag glycinate... posted by Nutmeg on July 08, 2002 at 20:19:09:
Hi, Mutmeg.
I get MY magnesium from a whole foods diet AND the amount in Metagenics Multigenics Intensive care supplement (250 milligrams of magnesium glycinate/citrate).
Hope this helps.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: dr stoll, do you take magnesium?---speaking of mag glycinate... posted by Nutmeg on July 08, 2002 at 20:19:09:
Sorry, Nutmeg.
I forgot to answer this.
I learned, years ago, to only take supplemnts from manufacturers that put on the lable that none of these (inactive ingredients) were in their products. This is one reason I use Metagenics products.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: dr stoll, do you take magnesium?---speaking of mag glycinate... posted by Walt Stoll on July 09, 2002 at 09:50:49:
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In Reply to: Re: dr stoll, do you take magnesium?---speaking of mag glycinate... posted by Walt Stoll on July 09, 2002 at 09:53:09:
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