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Toenail Fungus

Posted by
Valerie Langan on March 12, 1999 at 11:02:18:

Does the vinegar treatment only work in topical fungus, or will it also work in fungus that has imbedded itself in the toenail? I have tried Lamisil, but it did not help my fungus. Thanks for your reply.



Re: Toenail Fungus

Posted by another sufferer on March 12, 1999 at 15:25:35:

In Reply to: Toenail Fungus posted by Valerie Langan on March 12, 1999 at 11:02:18:

I'm not sure what you mean by a topical fungus, but the fungus of your toenail is embedded and underneath the nail bed. I've been using the vinegar method for about 4 months now. I've not missed one application! (2 drops of vinegar,
morning and night, at the growing base of the nail, where the nail comes out of the skin, not the free edge toward the end of the toe.)
I'm so pleased, because I have a pink, smooth, flat nail coming in at the bottom half of my nail now. You might not see any visable signs for several months, because the nail growth begins underneath the skin before it comes out to show itself on the nail bed. If you give up, you are right back where you started. I don't use the eyedropper method to apply the vinegar as suggested, but it's been working all the same. I have poured vinegar into a vitamin bottle that I keep beneath my bathroom sink. I dip in a Q-tip, then apply liberally to the base of my toenails. The vinegar dries very quickly, so once you apply it, it seems to have dried in 60 seconds or less. Dr. Stoll said that it would be alright to dust with a powder if we like, and it wouldn't interfere with the vinegar's acidic properties. I will shake a travel-sized baby powder container filled with scented bath powder over my toes to counteract that vinegary smell. Good luck & don't give up after a couple weeks or a month. It will be well worth the wait and effort, because I'm looking forward to baring my toes for the first summer in almost 10 years!



Re: I forgot to mention...

Posted by another sufferer on March 12, 1999 at 15:47:12:

In Reply to: Re: Toenail Fungus posted by another sufferer on March 12, 1999 at 15:25:35:

I've read just about every post on this board about toenail fungus to make sure I'm doing the treatment correctly. So
to reiterate what Dr. Stoll and so many others have posted,
remember that the fungus that is on your toenail at this moment is NOT going to go away. All the yellowish, hard and thickened nail will have to be grown off the toe. Applying vinegar will not make this fungus-infested toenail return to
a smooth flat nail again. You will be treating your new growth of the nail from its inception as it grows out of the base of the nail. So like I said, don't expect your nail to
to gradually throw off the characteristics of the fungus. You will have to be patient and wait for the new nail to start showing at the growing base of your toenail.

For an analogy, it's just like your hair. If you've permed, bleached and in general, abused your hair, it will look dull, lifeless and have no shine. No matter how many products promise to repair split ends (Hah, it doesn't happen!) or to restore shine (it's usually just a silicone coating that is a cosmetic oil which doesn't restore the natural oils), the only surefire way to have naturally healthy hair again is to trim off the old damaged, distressed hair with regular haircuts until your hair has
grown out to new healthy virgin hair.

If you think the routine of applying the vinegar is tedious, you're right. You're thinking, "But if I have to go through this process, it will take me 6 months to a year to see the final results." Well, let me paraphrase
one of my favorite Ann Landers letters:

A man was in his late 30's and contemplating going to law school. He wrote Ann Landers for her advice. He told her that he'd always had a life-long dream to become a lawyer, but when he figured up how long it was going to take him to go through college, then through law school and an internship, he lamented that he'd be 47 years old. Ann Landers' reply was a simple question: "How old will you be if you DON'T follow your dream to go to law school?"



Re: I forgot to mention...

Posted by
Valerie on March 13, 1999 at 10:10:09:

In Reply to: Re: I forgot to mention... posted by another sufferer on March 12, 1999 at 15:47:12:

Thanks for your comments. I'm going to head out to the store to buy a bottle of vinegar in a little while. I did put some on my toe yesterday, but not sure it was the right kind of vinegar since the label had come off the bottle, so I'm going to make sure I get the right stuff today. The powder is a good idea too, I thought I'd just have to smell weird for awhile! Good luck to you, I hope this finally helps you get rid of your fungus.



Re: I forgot to mention... (Landers Quote!)

Posted by Walt Stoll on March 13, 1999 at 11:22:24:

In Reply to: Re: I forgot to mention... posted by another sufferer on March 12, 1999 at 15:47:12:

Thanks, another sufferer, for your Landers quote. It is SO true!

Listen to Valorie. Since I could not add anything to what she has said I won't try.

Let us know how you do. I know what will happen but you don't yet.

Walt



Re: I forgot to mention...

Posted by
jipsee on March 28, 1999 at 02:01:37:

In Reply to: Re: I forgot to mention... posted by another sufferer on March 12, 1999 at 15:47:12:

I found all these messages by doing a search and missed some of the important information regarding the vinegar. I read Dr Stoll's info on the fungus but don't know what the highest percentage level of acidity is available to us. I have a bottle of 5% distilled White vinegar and a balsamic vinegar that says nothing about being distilled but it is 6%. Any answers? I'd appreciate the info...thanxs



Re: I forgot to mention... (Balsamic is "too good" for your toe.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on March 29, 1999 at 08:36:48:

In Reply to: Re: I forgot to mention... posted by jipsee on March 28, 1999 at 02:01:37:

Hi, jipsee.

Do not use the Balsamic 6%. It is of too high quality to waste on toenails. Besides, it has not been distilled and has lots of healthy goodies in it that would not help your toe.

Use 4% oR 5% distilled vinegar.

Walt



Re:(Balsamic is "too good" for your toe.)

Posted by
JL on April 17, 1999 at 20:02:00:

In Reply to: Re: I forgot to mention... (Balsamic is "too good" for your toe.) posted by Walt Stoll on March 29, 1999 at 08:36:48:

I wonder if anyone can answer this question. Would wearing nail polish hinder the vinegar process any? If so, would an occasional "cover up" for certain events be ok if it's removed right after?
(Glad to run across this info, before I spent a fortune I don't have right now for a commercial product! Thanks all!)



Re:(Balsamic is "too good" for your toe.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on April 18, 1999 at 13:14:22:

In Reply to: Re:(Balsamic is "too good" for your toe.) posted by JL on April 17, 1999 at 20:02:00:

Hi, JL.

Your note reminds me of how far we have to go to make the informaiton on this BB easily available to participants.

We have discussed this question on several occasions. You might find stuff about it, AND lots more stuff you have not yet thought to ask, on the link below.

The stuff about nail polish is that nail polish does not "breathe". SO, the nail under polish tends to be a lot more moist than nail without polish. Fungus LOVES moisture.

Walt



Re:(Balsamic is "too good" for your toe.)

Posted by
JL on April 19, 1999 at 14:39:16:

In Reply to: Re:(Balsamic is "too good" for your toe.) posted by Walt Stoll on April 18, 1999 at 13:14:22:

Hi Walt,
Thanks for the info - I sort of figured nail polish wasn't a good idea, but I had to ask. That link doesn't work, btw, I get an error message.
(I can't believe this is going to take a whole 6 months!!)
-JL-



Re:(Balsamic is "too good" for your toe.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on April 20, 1999 at 11:46:20:

In Reply to: Re:(Balsamic is "too good" for your toe.) posted by JL on April 19, 1999 at 14:39:16:

JL,

It might take a year or more--completely depending on how fast your toenail grows. See the other notes about this today.

ALL treatments for dead tissue, like a nail is, work the same & take the same length of time to be sure of success.

Try the link again.

I must have screwed up somehow.

Walt



Re: Toenail Fungus

Posted by
Ms. Lea Bittner-Eddy on June 01, 1999 at 04:20:14:

In Reply to: Re: Toenail Fungus posted by another sufferer on March 12, 1999 at 15:25:35:

Just a quick query. I live in England and am having difficulty locating regular white vinegar. However, I am able to get a hold of 5% concentration acetic acid. Will that do? And does the 5% refer to concentration?

Thank in advance for the advice. Looking forward to trying it!



Re: Toenail Fungus (Those honest Brits!)

Posted by Walt Stoll on June 02, 1999 at 13:19:56:

In Reply to: Re: Toenail Fungus posted by Ms. Lea Bittner-Eddy on June 01, 1999 at 04:20:14:

Hi, England!

Seems the Brits are just more honest about what is in the bottle. In this country they call it vinegar when ALL it is is acetic acid. In this country, it comes in 4% & 5%. Either one will work.

Let us know how you do.

Walt



Re: Toenail Fungus

Posted by
too-shy on June 13, 1999 at 01:50:53:

In Reply to: Re: Toenail Fungus posted by another sufferer on March 12, 1999 at 15:25:35:

Hey, I am so glad that I ran across this... I found this URL. from a history button on my comp. I guess one of my bros. was looking.. but this problem always feels like.. well like we are the only ones suffering..
Ever since I can remember I've been ashamed to walk bare-footed.. I love to swim and never go because I'm afraid people will notice my toe nails...
Thank you for your vinegar idea.. it gave me hope that I will have normal nails again someday... :) thank you!



READ IF PLANNING ON GOING TO PODIATRIST!!!!!!!!

Posted by RL on June 26, 1999 at 21:35:33:

In Reply to: Toenail Fungus posted by Valerie Langan on March 12, 1999 at 11:02:18:

I have been to a podiatrist for treatment of toenail fungus. I assure you the treatment is not cheap. The medicine (Which is sporonox 100mg capsules) cost me about 160.00 U.S. Dollars per refill. Each refill contained only 14 pills which I was directed to take two a day for one week. Then stop taking it for three weeks.Then resume treatment again on the fourth week. I was to do this for a total of three months (total of 42 pills). So treatment alone took 10 weeks to complete. About six months from the time I started treatment and $540.00 later I started noticing a difference. The treatment killed most of the fungus but I still have some left. I wish I had my computer then. Now I am going to try the low cost treatment to see if it works. Besides the podiatrist said that I should apply some type of anti-fungal solution on my toenails to keep it from reoccuring. One more thing, the treatment may affect your liver so you have to get a blood analysis before and after treatment to make sure everything is fine. Thus adding to the cost which I didn't include above.



Re: Toenail Fungus help

Posted by
Lindy on November 01, 1999 at 00:28:39:

In Reply to: Re: Toenail Fungus posted by too-shy on June 13, 1999 at 01:50:53:

I have been using the vinegar treatment for well over 4 months and my nails seem to be getting worse. I apply both morning and night every single night and haven't seen a change. How long does a new nail take to develop in the bed? I am hoping that soon I will see a new nail begin to appear.



Re: Toenail Fungus help (Archive under toe.)

Posted by Walt Stoll on November 02, 1999 at 06:11:05:

In Reply to: Re: Toenail Fungus help posted by Lindy on November 01, 1999 at 00:28:39:

Hi, Lindy.

This is unusual but not unheard of. There are only 2 possible causes I know of:

1. Your diagnosis is not fungus. There are several nail conditions tht look a lot like fungus. The only way I know of to definitely make the fungus diagnosis is by sending a piece of nail to the laboratory for pathological and cultural analysis. Was that done?
2. Less common, but still possible at this timing, is that your nails grow VERY slowly. It is not rare that one might take a year to fully grow out a toenail. If you are one of those, it would not be surprising for you not to see any new nail in 4 months. If you ever saw a nail that had been ripped out at the root, you would see that about half of the total nail is hidden beneath the skin.

If laboratory evaluation says that this IS fungus, I would give it at least another several months to see normal nail growing out.

Let us know what you find out.

Walt



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