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Hiya,
My boyfriend has terrible varicose veins. They can't be removed because of a wine mark on his legs(?) At least that was what they told him YEARS ago..perhaps technology has changed that now. He takes blood thinners because of the veins and a thrombosis he had YEARS ago. He also has the support hose that goes up to his knee and is fitted for him by a medical equipment type place. Anyway, he gets these venous ulcers on his lower leg by his ankles and they cause him severe pain. The support hose don't help...the zinc ointment that the doctor gave him doesnt help and the pressure bandage doesnt help.
A search on this site came up with 3 results. Deep vein thrombosis (which had no info about venous ulcers), cliff's papers (which also had no info about venous ulcers, and something under Hulda Clark's zapper that had info about microcurrent therapy that Dr Stoll posted. A search on the net came up with this:
http://www.woundcare.org/newsvol4n1/ar1.htm
They used monochromatic infrared energy (MIRE) device supplied by Anodyne Therapeutics, Denver, CO
When I searched for Anodyne Therapeutics, I came up with nothing. I thought maybe we could purchase the device.
Anyway, does anyone out there have experience with MIRE therapy or know of a device which is the same as the one used in the study? Or does anyone know of a better way to heal venous ulcers?
Thanks,
Barbara
In Reply to: Venous Ulcers and light therapy posted by BarbaraN on March 25, 2002 at 09:19:42:
Is microcurrent therapy the same as electric accupuncture? We have one guy here who advertises electric acupuncture. I'm wondering if its the same thing?
In Reply to: Venous Ulcers and light therapy posted by BarbaraN on March 25, 2002 at 09:19:42:
Hi, BarbaraN.
I have heard of 640 angstrom soft laser treatments working as well.
How are his health habits?
The skin "stain" they are talking about should not present a barrier to surgery. Veins this bad have to be removed.
Have they tried an Unna Boot?
Could the AMA be making it difficult for Anodyne to be known? This is their favorite way to suppress any treatment that does not feed the monopoly (require a medical license to use it)
Perhaps you can track them down in the internet info about varicose ulcers.
Let us know what you learn.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: PS... posted by BarbaraN on March 25, 2002 at 09:43:46:
No, BarbaraN.
VERY different.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Venous Ulcers and light therapy (Archive.) posted by Walt Stoll on March 26, 2002 at 09:19:25:
I think they tried the Unna Boot the first summer I was here and it was put on by the dermatologist. I looked up Unna Boot on the net and what they describe there is similiar to what the dermatologist did. But since then, the "family doctor" has been treating him and not sending him to the dermatologist.
His health habits are ok..not great but not really bad either. He's tall and slender (like most dutch people) He eats healthy, rides his bike to work everyday and is a light to moderate drinker. He drinks on the weekends. Ohhh he does drink ALOT of coffee.
He said that his wine spots are actually little blood vessels and that's why they told him they can't take the veins out? Yeah, he was trying to explain it to me in English and his english isn't that great! Perhaps that makes sense to you? The part about his wine spots being little blood vessels?
I did a search for that company who's product they used in the study of infrared light but found absolutely nothing.
I'm wondering where we could find the 640 angstrom soft laser treatments here in Holland. What type of specialty would use that? Any ideas?
I did a search for the microcurrent therapy and could only come up with The Alpha-Stim 100 (which you say in the archives that YOU wouldn't use for pain) and also electric acupuncture. But you say that electric acupuncture is also not what you were referring to. Guess I'll keep searching.
Do you have any experience with hyalofill or hyaff? I found out that both can be found here in Holland and that they use a thin ribbon of hyaluronic acid to speed and promote healing.
Thanks for your help!
In Reply to: Re: Venous Ulcers and light therapy (Archive.) posted by BarbaraN on March 26, 2002 at 10:51:31:
Hi, BarbaraN.
The wine spots easily could be the "little blood vessels" IF he has always had them. These would be typical "birth marks" and STILL would not be a reason for not having the surgery.
IF, however, these are iron stains from his venous problem, they are permanent and would make any surgery hard to heal (skin only). HOWEVER, without correcting the varicosities, this would only get worse.
All of the answers you gave me about him are ideal for healing his genetic varicosities IF he has them surgically removed.
Have you done a search for microcurrents on this 'site? I know I archived a lot of information about it a year or so ago. The 640 angstrom soft laser is a Russian development and I do not know more about it than that.
I have no experience with the stuff you listed last.
Hope this helps. Sorry I could not be of more help.
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Venous Ulcers and light therapy (Archive.) posted by Walt Stoll on March 27, 2002 at 09:06:13:
Yeah his birth marks (wine spots) are from birth. He said that he was told that if they took out his veins that something "takes over" and it could be the small vessels in his birth marks that "take over" which could result in his birth marks swelling causing his legs to swell. Does this make sense to you?? haha Like I said, when it comes to medical stuff..his english isn't very good.
Yeah I searched first for microcurrent on this site and found a discussion where you recommended it to a woman. She in turn did a search and came up with Alpha Sim 100 and some other type of machine that a chiropractor had. You said NEITHER was what you were referring too. When I do a search for microcurrents on the net...I only come up with the electric acupuncture and the alpha sim thingy.
Those bandages I mentioned with the hydroulonic acid are like 95 euros for a pack of 5!!!!!!!!! But they are covered by the insurance here so he's going to ask his "family doctor" for a prescription. But you know how doctors are :) I don't think he's going to like the fact that Pieter came up with this himself.
Thanks for your quick response and continued help.
In Reply to: Re: Venous Ulcers and light therapy (Archive.) posted by BarbaraN on March 27, 2002 at 12:40:51:
Thanks, BarbaraN.
MY answer to your first question is NO! IF Pieter HAS come up with something the docs did not already know, AND their egos are more important to them than his welfare, he needs different docs!
I looked everywhere in my archives and could not find the microcurrent information either. It may have been lost in the several problems we have had with the ISP that was hacked.
Fortunately I have felt that this information was SO critical that I have it stored on MY hard drive. I am going to repost it (just for you) and archive it again for posterity.
Namaste`
Walt
In Reply to: Re: Venous Ulcers and light therapy (Archive.) posted by Walt Stoll on March 28, 2002 at 10:07:14:
Thanks for reposting the infomation. Gonna go read it now.
Just did a search for removing varicose veins so I could see if I could figure out what Pieter was talking about with 'taking over' This is what I found:
"Large varicose veins are treated by surgically removing or
chemically treating the "bad" veins. This forces the blood to flow through the remaining healthy veins."
"The solution causes the vein to close up or collapse and become scar tissue that is eventually absorbed by the body. The work of carrying the blood is shifted to other healthy blood vessels nearby."
Maybe the doctors are concerned that the work of carrying the blood will be shifted to the vessels in the birth mark?
Seems like there should be a way around this eh?
By the way, switching doctors isn't very easy here. There is a shortage of family doctors in Holland and those who are in practice are full. They go out on strike regularly to emphasize their plight. There's also such a shortage of specialists that a friend of ours has to go to ITALY for bypass surgery! The waiting list for that here is 8 months but the insurace will pay for the procedure in Italy which he can have as soon as next month.
Thanks again for all your help and input.
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