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Eating Meat Is Worse Than Driving a Truck ... for the Climate

Posted by ukchris [10820.4773] on August 06, 2008 at 12:30:28:

"While there are daily references in the media to the diversion of corn to fuel-making, there's hardly ever a mention of the fact that feeding our livestock uses 50 percent to 60 percent of the American corn crop. Here are the calculations used by the US Agriculture Department's Economic Research Service for how much corn animals must be fed to produce a pound of meat for retail sale: seven pounds of corn equals one pound of beef; six-and-a-half pounds of corn equals one pound of pork; two and six-tenths pounds of corn equals one pound of chicken. (Meat industry estimates are lower but generally refer to the amount of corn necessary to make the live animal gain a pound, not the amount necessary to get a pound of food in the meat case.) Corn is a dietary staple in parts of the world like Mexico, but not here in the United States, where the answer to "What's for dinner?" is supposed to be "beef." Talk about feeding SUVs or people is deceptive, since it masks the intermediate step of feeding animals a whole lot of corn to get one steak dinner.

Even more hidden from public view is the role of animal feeding in global warming. The shocking fact is that production of beef, pork and poultry is a bigger part of the climate problem than the cars and trucks we drive, indeed of the whole transportation sector. In our fantasies -- and ads -- we see contented cows eating grass, but the fact is all but a lucky few spend much of their lives in dismal feedlots where grass does not grow, getting fat on corn and other unspeakable byproducts. Internationally, two-thirds of the earth's available agricultural land is used to raise animals and their feed crops, primarily corn and soybeans, and the trend is accelerating as people in Latin America and Asia increasingly demand an Americanized diet rich in meat. The need to grow more animal feed and more animals has been devastating rainforests and areas like Brazil's Cerrado region, the world's most biologically diverse savannah, long before the demand for biofuels began escalating.

Vegetarians have long understood this issue, but asking the American public to eat less meat is still a radical idea, politically untouchable. Yet the meat industry is a giant source of greenhouse gases, of which carbon dioxide is only one, and not the most dangerous one. All those steer feedlots and factory buildings crammed with pigs and chickens produce immense amounts of animal wastes that give off methane. On an equivalent basis to carbon dioxide, methane is twenty-three times more potent as a greenhouse gas. When you add in the production of fertilizer and other aspects of animal farming (including land use changes, feed transport, etc.) livestock farming is responsible for nearly one-fifth of human-induced greenhouse gas emissions, more than the transportation sector, according to a 2006 report by the Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations.

None of which excuses knocking down trees in a rain forest to grow fuel crops or burning dirty coal to make a supposedly cleaner, biofuel substitute. People around the world for whom corn and other grains are a food staple -- not an ingredient or animal feed -- need help to avoid starvation, regardless of the reason, be it biofuel production, drought, flood or war. Someone like Al Gore needs to have the courage to stand up and exhort Americans to eat less meat so that others do not go hungry."



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Re: Eating Meat Is Worse Than Driving a Truck ... for the Climate

Posted by labrat [1119.4789] on August 06, 2008 at 13:35:37:

In Reply to: Eating Meat Is Worse Than Driving a Truck ... for the Climate posted by ukchris [10820.4773] on August 06, 2008 at 12:30:28:

Nobody ever talks about the huge amounts of methane given off by vegetarians who eat tons of beans!!

I think it's a conspiracy...

~~~8>


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Re: Eating Meat Is Worse Than Driving a Truck ... for the Climate

Posted by ukchris [10820.4773] on August 06, 2008 at 13:49:39:

In Reply to: Re: Eating Meat Is Worse Than Driving a Truck ... for the Climate posted by labrat [1119.4789] on August 06, 2008 at 13:35:37:

"Nobody ever talks about the huge amounts of methane given off by vegetarians who eat tons of beans!!"

That's just a joke I assume?

Conspiracy... on what basis?


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Re: Eating Meat Is Worse Than Driving a Truck ... for the Climate

Posted by ANN [1003.2765] on August 06, 2008 at 15:41:06:

In Reply to: Re: Eating Meat Is Worse Than Driving a Truck ... for the Climate posted by labrat [1119.4789] on August 06, 2008 at 13:35:37:

my family uses lots of soymilk, soy protein powder, tofu, and soy hot dogs. None of us have experienced gas problems from them.


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Why Beans Are The Best of all Proteins

Posted by ANN [1003.2765] on August 06, 2008 at 16:20:06:

In Reply to: Eating Meat Is Worse Than Driving a Truck ... for the Climate posted by ukchris [10820.4773] on August 06, 2008 at 12:30:28:

This is from Bottom Line Natural Health News Newsletter
From past reading, I don't believe they are a vegetarian organization:


Why Beans Are the Best of All Proteins


Getting enough protein is increasingly challenging, as our usual sources are becoming more difficult to, well, swallow. Most chicken and red meat comes from a mere handful of suppliers who raise their livestock in terrible conditions, feeding them antibiotics and questionable diets. Plus there's lots of evidence indicating that a meat-rich diet is too high in saturated fat. And many types of fish are contaminated with mercury, PCBs or other toxins. What's a person to do? Quite simply, eat more of the humble, cheap and tasty bean.

COUNTING THE BENEFITS OF BEANS

I called nutritionist Suzanne Havala Hobbs, DrPH, MS, RD, from the School of Public Health, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, to discuss the matter. Dr. Hobbs is definitely enthusiastic about beans, calling them "almost a wonder food." Other than the well-known digestive issue (more on that in a minute), she tells me there is really nothing negative she can say about beans. They rarely cause allergies and are full of nutrition including protein. Some of the most popular beans in this country are red kidney beans, pinto beans, black beans, navy beans, garbanzo beans, lima beans, and, in the South, black-eyed peas.

You may remember hearing that to complete the amino acid profile and make their protein usable by the body, it was necessary to combine beans with other foods, notably rice, at the same meal. Not true, says Dr. Hobbs. We now know that the body handles this by taking from all the foods you eat over the course of a day, making beans on their own an excellent source of protein. Even vegetarians and others who eat little or no meat or fish can get sufficient protein from about five servings a day, she says -- noting this isn't as much as it sounds like, about 2.5 cups. Beans are also an amazing source of soluble fiber, terrific for helping to maintain healthy cholesterol and blood sugar levels, says Dr. Hobbs. The usual daily recommended intake of dietary fiber is from 20 to 35 grams. That's a lot of salad and other vegetables, but just one cup of pinto beans, for example, contains a robust 14 grams of fiber, more than half of what you should eat each day.

GETTING AROUND THE "BEAN PROBLEM..."

As to that digestive issue, yes, it is possible to eat beans regularly without getting gas. Here is the secret -- start slow, with a few spoonfuls a day, and build up gradually over a few weeks. Because many people don't get enough dietary fiber, they may have a "vigorous response" when they load up their plate with beans, since they are so high in fiber. In addition, starting slow allows the gut to more gradually build up the bacteria in the intestinal flora that help with digestion of raffinose, a sugar that is found in beans and is another contributor to the "bean problem." Some people swear that taking a Beano tablet, or another product containing the digestive enzyme alpha-d-galactosidase, before the meal, takes care of the problem, but others find it no use at all. By starting slow, you should be able to completely avert the issue of to Beano or not.

HOW TO PREPARE BEANS

People often wonder if canned beans are an acceptable substitute for bagged dried beans that require four to eight hours of soaking. Dr. Hobbs responds that it is really an issue of convenience. Most foods are more nutritious eaten as close as possible to their natural state. But she says that the nutritional differences in canned and dried beans are marginal and if you prefer to reach for a can rather than prepare ahead, you can rest easy. Do give canned beans a thorough rinse in a colander before you use them -- it gets rid of excess sodium. Also, soak dried beans overnight (some varieties, including soy, may require longer soaking periods, up to 24 hours) and be sure to change the water several times -- this washes away and breaks down gas-causing particles in addition to cleaning the beans and removing any impurities such as tiny pebbles that make their way into the bag. Cooked beans will keep about six months in the freezer and for up to five days in the refrigerator.

For people who enjoy cooking -- or for that matter eating -- beans are the basis of a seemingly endless variety of dishes, limited only by your imagination or selection of cookbooks. To make a south-of-the-border dinner, Dr. Hobbs mashes pinto beans or uses whole black beans and adds them to rice, avocado slices, mashed sweet potatoes and salsa and puts them in taco shells. For Cuban Black Beans and Rice, she says to sauté onions, celery and bell peppers, add four cans of black beans, a bay leaf, cumin, oregano and lemon juice and cook for half an hour on top of the stove. Tuscans, whom other Italians call "bean eaters," make a hearty winter soup with white cannellini beans that simmer stovetop in chicken broth along with numerous vegetables. A colorful summer cold dish is made up of just black beans, chopped red peppers, corn, onions (optional) and cilantro stirred together with a light vinaigrette. Beans are excellent in any kind of rice and in salads -- try navy beans sautéed with garlic and olive oil, finished off with lemon zest and placed on top of a pile of uncooked arugula. For even more ideas, Dr. Hobbs suggests visiting ethnic markets to learn more about the variety of beans used by different cultures and the many interesting ways they are prepared around the world.


Source(s):

Suzanne Havala Hobbs, DrPH, MS, RD, the School of Public Health, University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.



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Re: Eating Meat Is Worse Than Driving a Truck ... for the Climate

Posted by ukchris [10820.4773] on August 06, 2008 at 18:27:13:

In Reply to: Re: Eating Meat Is Worse Than Driving a Truck ... for the Climate posted by ANN [1003.2765] on August 06, 2008 at 15:41:06:

Yeah, me neither ANN. Urban myth perhaps?


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Re: Why Beans Are The Best of all Proteins

Posted by ukchris [10820.4773] on August 06, 2008 at 18:28:19:

In Reply to: Why Beans Are The Best of all Proteins posted by ANN [1003.2765] on August 06, 2008 at 16:20:06:

Thanks ANN,

Beans are a good choice of protein! I had two bean burgers tonight with cous cous :-)


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Re: Eating Meat Is Worse Than Driving a Truck ... for the Climate

Posted by PhillyLady [1262.4757] on August 06, 2008 at 18:35:21:

In Reply to: Re: Eating Meat Is Worse Than Driving a Truck ... for the Climate posted by labrat [1119.4789] on August 06, 2008 at 13:35:37:

Yeah, that's it, blame the vegetarian. There once was a time when it was the dog who took the blame for all escaped winds and gases.

I think it's "anti-Vegites" and their anti-Vegitism.


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Re: Eating Meat Is Worse Than Driving a Truck ... for the Climate

Posted by Charles [448.2996] on August 07, 2008 at 06:56:28:

In Reply to: Re: Eating Meat Is Worse Than Driving a Truck ... for the Climate posted by PhillyLady [1262.4757] on August 06, 2008 at 18:35:21:

Hate to tell you but Labrat is correct, beans cause gas.


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Re: Eating Meat Is Worse Than Driving a Truck ... for the Climate

Posted by Walt Stoll [93.3349] on August 07, 2008 at 07:24:11:

In Reply to: Eating Meat Is Worse Than Driving a Truck ... for the Climate posted by ukchris [10820.4773] on August 06, 2008 at 12:30:28:

Amen, UK!

Walt


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Re: Why Beans Are The Best of all Proteins -- Archive.

Posted by Walt Stoll [93.3349] on August 07, 2008 at 07:26:59:

In Reply to: Why Beans Are The Best of all Proteins posted by ANN [1003.2765] on August 06, 2008 at 16:20:06:

Thanks, Ann.

Walt


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Re: Eating Meat Is Worse Than Driving a Truck ... for the Climate

Posted by Lurch [2616.4558] on August 07, 2008 at 07:47:00:

In Reply to: Re: Eating Meat Is Worse Than Driving a Truck ... for the Climate posted by Charles [448.2996] on August 07, 2008 at 06:56:28:

They do, and they are not recommended for blood type O, the most common of all blood type.

Also, they are not recommended for Ayurveda Vata dosha types. I'm both of these and have basically quit eating legumes as of about 4 months ago. I used to eat them daily, back in the 80s.

With my malabsorption issues I don't think it would be wise for me to eat beans, with all of their fiber. I get plenty of fiber in vegetables, nuts, etc. I do like beans but I want to feed my body the best I can.




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Re: Eating Meat Is Worse Than Driving a Truck ... for the Climate

Posted by ukchris [1490.2514] on August 07, 2008 at 07:47:11:

In Reply to: Re: Eating Meat Is Worse Than Driving a Truck ... for the Climate posted by Charles [448.2996] on August 07, 2008 at 06:56:28:

Are the beans in a vegetarian's diet comparable to the cows, chickens, pigs, sheep etc. that a meat eater consumes? This is just silly, I took it as a joke.


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Maybe so

Posted by Lurch [2616.4558] on August 07, 2008 at 07:51:10:

In Reply to: Eating Meat Is Worse Than Driving a Truck ... for the Climate posted by ukchris [10820.4773] on August 06, 2008 at 12:30:28:

but for my own personal body and health, I feel that meat helps me.

I hope the planet will be OK. Good for anyone that seems to have the ability to do well on a vegan diet. I tried it a few times and was unsuccessful. I have more going for me when I eat animal proteins 2-3x daily.




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Re: Maybe so

Posted by labrat [1119.4789] on August 07, 2008 at 08:10:50:

In Reply to: Maybe so posted by Lurch [2616.4558] on August 07, 2008 at 07:51:10:

Ditto Lurch -

Still, it seems we could use all that gas to power something! ;-)

~~~8>


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Re: Why Beans Are The Best of all Proteins

Posted by VF [4572.1399] on August 07, 2008 at 08:13:08:

In Reply to: Why Beans Are The Best of all Proteins posted by ANN [1003.2765] on August 06, 2008 at 16:20:06:

I don't remember eating beans when younger, except maybe garbanzo's once in a while. The dish with pasta and big red beans, reminded me of bugs. I ate a ton of peas, and they are legumes, but don't think they cause gas. I rarely had gas when eating them or anything, and I think I only get it when a food is bad. I think maybe a digestive enzyme may be lacking with gas production, not allowing complete digestion. I have an E friend (luckily) who says he has a lot of gas from many foods. I think he has many digestive peoblems, since he claims he eats like a horse, and the transit time increadbly fast, and doesn't sound like the foods are well digested.


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Re: Eating Meat Is Worse Than Driving a Truck ... for the Climate

Posted by Sue [2694.3308] on August 07, 2008 at 08:44:50:

In Reply to: Re: Eating Meat Is Worse Than Driving a Truck ... for the Climate posted by ukchris [10820.4773] on August 06, 2008 at 18:27:13:

the article talks about how eating beans regularly allows you to build up the enzymes to digest them, so, for people who eat beans only occasionally, probably, they DO get gas-like the people who eat barbeque beans with their beef every so often.


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Re: Maybe so

Posted by lmd [11129.1399] on August 07, 2008 at 11:15:56:

In Reply to: Maybe so posted by Lurch [2616.4558] on August 07, 2008 at 07:51:10:

And my farm animals are out in the sunshine and green fields, with more trees and plant material that the balance is not global warming. Meat is essential to many of us. Yes, just today we "did" a lamb. And those duck eggs taste so good, just have to search around to find them.


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Re: Eating Meat Is Worse Than Driving a Truck ... for the Climate

Posted by Charles [448.2996] on August 07, 2008 at 18:58:09:

In Reply to: Re: Eating Meat Is Worse Than Driving a Truck ... for the Climate posted by ukchris [1490.2514] on August 07, 2008 at 07:47:11:

I would think those animals you named would be on this planet whether we ate them or not and I would say most people don't mingle with those animals enough to notice the gas they give off but most people do mingle with other humans.


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Re: Eating Meat Is Worse Than Driving a Truck ... for the Climate

Posted by Charles [448.2996] on August 07, 2008 at 18:59:33:

In Reply to: Re: Eating Meat Is Worse Than Driving a Truck ... for the Climate posted by Lurch [2616.4558] on August 07, 2008 at 07:47:00:

Pinto beans don't seem to give me nearly as much gas as white beans do.


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Re: Why Beans Are The Best of all Proteins

Posted by ANN [1003.2765] on August 08, 2008 at 05:08:26:

In Reply to: Re: Why Beans Are The Best of all Proteins posted by VF [4572.1399] on August 07, 2008 at 08:13:08:

I had a bad gas attack once from eating a lot of sauteed onion. It was so bad it felt like a heart attack. I was afraid to eat onions for months after that. Cooked onions are one of my favorite foods (I hate raw onions), so I've added them back. Of course, seeing the bean article, about building up level of enzymes to handle beans, the problems for some people may be that they don't eat beans often enough to handle them well. That might've been the problem for me with the onion that time-I seldom get time to cook up a bunch of onion, so, when I did that time, I ate a huge amount, after not having had any for a long time. That could be the answer with a lot of different foods that people don't eat regularly.


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Re: Eating Meat Is Worse Than Driving a Truck ... for the Climate

Posted by ANN [1003.2765] on August 08, 2008 at 05:16:51:

In Reply to: Re: Eating Meat Is Worse Than Driving a Truck ... for the Climate posted by Charles [448.2996] on August 07, 2008 at 18:58:09:

I'd guess they exist in the NUMBERS they do because of ranching-man breeds them to make money. Natural herds would have changes in size due to disease and predators. Chicken farms have tens of thousands of chickens- in Nature, that many wouldn't survive- there'd be too much competition for food and predators would find them too easy to catch.
Texas raises cattle and has stats on how much grazing land is needed per cow. They bring in hay in Winter and move the cows to feed lots to fatten them. Natural herds would lose members to starvation and eventually settle at a much smaller number than currently exists.
If you read the bean article, they talk about building up digestive enzymes to handle beans by repeated eating of them. You may get gas from beans because you eat them rarely-if they were part of your everyday diet, you'd stop getting the gas thing. My mom served canned beans a couple of times a year,so our bodies didn't get a chance to adjust to them.



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Re: Eating Meat Is Worse Than Driving a Truck ... for the Climate

Posted by ANN [1003.2765] on August 08, 2008 at 05:19:35:

In Reply to: Re: Eating Meat Is Worse Than Driving a Truck ... for the Climate posted by Lurch [2616.4558] on August 07, 2008 at 07:47:00:

you might do better with bean soup (or pea or lentil soup). The extra cooking makes them more digestible than beans still in a solid shape. This is true of meat, too- boiling it soft will make it more digestible than a broiled steak or baked roast, for people with digestion problems.


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Re: Eating Meat Is Worse Than Driving a Truck ... for the Climate

Posted by Charles [448.2996] on August 08, 2008 at 06:14:30:

In Reply to: Re: Eating Meat Is Worse Than Driving a Truck ... for the Climate posted by ANN [1003.2765] on August 08, 2008 at 05:16:51:

I think you believe too much, I have known people who have eaten white beans for years and they still have terrible gas.


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Re: Eating Meat Is Worse Than Driving a Truck ... for the Climate

Posted by ANN [1003.2765] on August 10, 2008 at 17:53:35:

In Reply to: Re: Eating Meat Is Worse Than Driving a Truck ... for the Climate posted by Charles [448.2996] on August 08, 2008 at 06:14:30:

I'm not talking eating beans annually, but daily.

What I believe is the bodies of myself, my family, and friends, not some theoretical essay.




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Re: Eating Meat Is Worse Than Driving a Truck ... for the Climate

Posted by Voice of Reason [9585.4] on August 15, 2008 at 16:04:30:

In Reply to: Eating Meat Is Worse Than Driving a Truck ... for the Climate posted by ukchris [10820.4773] on August 06, 2008 at 12:30:28:

Here is another take on the subject.

Vegetarians are Animals


By Bob Long

I notice someone running advertisements saying that as livestock are greenhouse emitters, we should all become vegetarians.

But this business about blaming livestock for greenhouse gas emissions is nonsense. It’s true that livestock do emit CO2 and/or methane (CH4) - but that’s only part of the story. From where does the carbon come that comprises that CO2 or CH4? From the food that the livestock eat. That is plants, which extract CO2 from the atmosphere. So animals don’t generate carbon products - they simply recycle them. In short, livestock are already carbon neutral. Likewise, so are humans (as far as our eating, burping and farting goes) - we eat either carbon neutral animals, or plants.

In fact if the vegetarians claim livestock are bad with respect to greenhouse gas emissions, then becoming vegetarian makes themselves no better than those animals, because livestock are vegetarians, too!




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Re: Maybe so

Posted by Aston [31.5029] on August 20, 2008 at 21:26:43:

In Reply to: Maybe so posted by Lurch [2616.4558] on August 07, 2008 at 07:51:10:

Same for me :)

And I was a vegetarian for ten years & boy did I age! But now back on meat (8 years) I look & feel much better. As blood group O I know I need it.


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