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my life...it's over there...could I have it back please?

Posted by Eric on July 10, 2002 at 17:43:55:

Dear newbies, oldbies and Walt:

This message is probably going to be long, so thanks in advance for anyone that makes it through it. I realize that the simple answer to this whole post could be: follow the wellness plan, however I feel like we all need at least one good whining post to explain what's wrong and get it out of our system, and part of my problem is looking at the wellness plan I feel like I'm there, maybe not completely, but surely I'm not far enough away to feel this bad?!

I feel like my body and brain have turned against me and each month brings a new symptom without taking away any old ones. I am, as the cliche goes, sick and tired of being sick and tired.

Before I begin though, I'd like to give a little bit of history. I'm 23 years old. I was born 3 months premature (induced labor due to acute toxemia. Drs thought my mother was going to die: since then she has had multiple miscarriages) and was extraordinarily sickly as a child: horrible allergies, pneumonia every year, strep multiple times a year, ear infections etc. Of course being treated allopathically meant that quite literally I was probably on antibiotics 6 months out of the year for at least my first 12 years of life. I also had an extraordinarily severe tussle with Epstein-Barr when I was 14 that left me near incapacitated for about 2 months.

I also , up until I left for college 4 yearas ago and became a mostly vegetarian, had a horrible diet. (I guess it is the standard american diet, but in retrospect it makes me shudder) candy, soda, and processed foods were about 100% of my food intake.

So that's a little bit of history to put things into perspective. Currently I eat an almost 100% organic diet with very little sugar. It is mostly vegan with some exceptions for cheese or fresh fish. I meditate often, although not always daily. I walk at least 3 miles a day, and often bike 5-10 miles. I try to fast one day a week. I'm not perfect, I do occasionally have alcohol (although I am bordering on abstaining from that entirely again), occasionally smoke a cigarette, and recently - due to extreme fatigue- have begun to have small amounts of caffeine (green tea usually) as well.

Over the past 9 months (although some of my symptoms have been around for as long as 4 years, it has only been since about November since I got really serious about fighting this) I have shifted from a mostly vegetarian with junk/processed food diet to a mostly vegan almost all organic and whole food diet. I have seen naturopaths, heomeopaths, TCM practitioners and allopathic physicians to no avail. I went on a strict anti-candida diet for 2 months and have done a 7 day juice fast. I've spent all my paychecks on various supplements and cleansers and fresh vegetable juices. Some syptoms go away for periods at a time and then reappear equally as mysteriously. I can honestly say that as of today, I feel just as bad as I ever did, and although I know the healing process has its ups and downs I can't help feel like I'm moving in cicles instead of spirals.

It doesn't help that due to my age, most people in my peer group seem to subsist solely on beer, cigarettes, pizza and fast food, have virtually no active spiritual life or contemplative time, and most seem to be happy and healthy. While I, who am certianly not at 100% with all this, but 8 million times closer than them struggle to keep my head above the water (okay: turn self pity mode off now)

So I guess on to the symptoms. I'll spare lengthy dissertations on each of them since they mostly speak for themselves and I'm sure most of you are familiar with them and how hellish they can make you feel. I will try to include how long I've been dealing with them though.

Depression: 4 years (low grade-extremely constant-like chinese water torture)

Fatigue: (on and off for the past year- currently sleeping 10-12 hours a day and physically exhausted most of the time- was not a problem when I first switched to a better diet but has recently become a problem again)

Anxiety/Panic Attacks (off and on for over a year)

Impotence/Low Libido (about a year- has improved recently but not to the point I would like)

Horrible Immune System (my whole life? I still get a cold/sore throat at least once a month)

Bladder/Prostate pain (the latest in my list of serious ailments. Appeared about 6 months ago. Pain, at times severe, in my bladder/prostate area with no known (allopathic) cause. Goes away for weeks at a time, comes back for months a time--also frequent urination.)

Rash/Hives: I often will get small rashes that appear in various places for a week or so and then clear up, or sometimes an itchy hive that lasts for a few hours. Also have had problems with reocurring molluscum that has mostly been cleared up with comfrey. Over the past 6 months-year I have also noticed quite a few more moles on me.

Penile sensistivity: this is an odd complaint that doesn't seem to fit in with all the other (rather common I think in the realms of chronic dis-ease) complaints. Over the past year I have had to switch from boxers, to boxer-briefs, to tight briefs because any rubbing of my penis against cloth hurt increasingly bad. Lotions/comfrey don't seem to help, and it doesn't seem to be a dry/chapped/chafed skin issue. I have no idea about this one but simply manage it the best I can. Sounds silly but its really uncomfortable all the time!

Anal Itching/Frequent (4-5x/day) bowel movements/ chunks of food/white specks in stool: (leaky gut syndrome?)

So where do I go and what do I do? I don't make enough money to continue to see natural healers that my insurance doesn't cover or spend $200/motnh on supplements that aren't working. I already spend half my paycheck on food simply because I eat organic whole foods. Should I think that once I have somehow achieved the mythical state of perfection with diet/exercise/relaxation that all these problems will clear themselves up? Do I bow down to societal (and parental in my case) pressure and let the allopathic doctors load me up with prozac, penicillin, viagra, and whatever other poisonous uppers and downers that want to give me to try to make me feel normal again? Am I missing the forest for the trees and forgetting some important step?

I try to look at this whole thing as an opportunity for personal/spiritual growth. And it has certainly catapaulted me towards a more quiet/more simple/more natural/more spiritual life much quicker than I think I would have otherwise. (It is easier for me to make time for meditation when I view it as something that might clear up health problems than simply something that might be spiritually beneficial to me) But for real, I'm done with it! I'm only 23, I'd like to go back to fully living my life. I'd like to remember what its like to be fully happy in the moment instead of having nagging black clouds surrounding me at all times. (4 years of this depression shit-sometimes it even boggles my mind) I'd prefer to not deal with panic attacks that leave me so tense my entire body aches for days afterwards and I can't sleep can't eat and am sure that this is the time I've gone completely crazy. I'd like to be able to sleep 7 or 8 hours and wake up refreshed and I'd definitely like to have a healthy libido again and not be dealing with impotence and intense crotch pain (both internally and externally)

someone give me my life back please! I'm tired of this ($*@#!

love and light,
eric



Re: my life...it's over there...could I have it back please?

Posted by Eric on July 10, 2002 at 17:57:10:

In Reply to: my life...it's over there...could I have it back please? posted by Eric on July 10, 2002 at 17:43:55:

ps:

obviously, I feel like my constant use of antibiotics for the first 12-14 years of my life set up a situation where these problems could now be being caused by candida/leaky gut syndrome/etc. However, I feel the regimen I am on now (I also have taken acidopholous daily for 6 months) should be helping out somewhat. While I know I shouldn't think of a healthy diet as deprivation, Iget sucked into that thought pattern sometimes, and it would be a lot easier to rationalize to myself my avoidance of bread, cookies, pizza, etc if I was actually noticing improvement.

also, I would be overjoyed if I could eliminate even one of these problems, however I don't think that's the way it generally works.



Re: my life...it's over there...could I have it back please?

Posted by Naya on July 10, 2002 at 18:30:22:

In Reply to: my life...it's over there...could I have it back please? posted by Eric on July 10, 2002 at 17:43:55:

Hi! Your post sounds like the story of my life for most of the last ten years. I can truly empathize. It sounds to me like you may still have very active candida infestation and may need to some serious anti-candida treatment to get rid of it. I know I only started to get some relief when I did this and followed a really strict anticandida diet. No carbs , no fruits, lived on very high protein and non-starchy veggies. I know Walt won't recommend it ,but you may want to try a prrescription antifungal such as Diflucan for a while to jumpstart your campaign. Ffirst, though, i would do a stool test to check your candida levels and to see what other possible pathogens you may be harboring in your gut. Check out the home page in order to reference articles on candida, LGS,etc., if you haven't already done so.
I know it feels like you're cursed, but you've got to pursue this almost "obsessively" in order to win even a couple of steps. I'm sure others will answer your post with more suggestions. Good luck to you. I wish you all the best on your road to recovery. BTW, you're not doing that badly if you can exercise as much as you do. I can only walk three of four blocks at a time. No kidding!

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Re: my life...it's over there...could I have it back please?

Posted by Dan on July 10, 2002 at 18:58:03:

In Reply to: my life...it's over there...could I have it back please? posted by Eric on July 10, 2002 at 17:43:55:

Hi Eric - My spiritual perspective is Christian so you can evaluate my comments with that in mind.

I believe I've suffered from at least 2 of your ailments, at one time or another, and can attest to the discomfort, anxiety, and sense of depression you mention.

Naya is much better qualified than I am to discuss the merits of diet, so for the most part, I would defer to her. My only comment might relate to the intensity of focus on diet, because one of your observations proves a point. Some of your drinking and smoking friends appear to be in perfect health.

When you are at your age, you can do a lot of things to your body with seeming impunity, you may not pay a price until many years later after the cummulative effects take hold.

But as mentioned, there is some point involved there. At your age, you should be relatively free from care, it can always intrude on your life at a later date.

Having some happiness and joy in the moment, is usually accomplished by not fretting or focusing on the moments that have yet to arrive.

In this, you come to understand that "happiness", in any event, is only transitory. This is obvious from the fact that virtually everyone experiences a range of emotions.

My Christian perspective on this is to encourage you to seek joy, that is eternal. To me, the belief that my eternal welfare is established, creates joy and brings more moments of happiness into my daily life.

You have had to overcome a lot from your childhood and much of what you are presently doing should keep you on a good course. If you can, intensify your exercise. This will bring on a fatigue that will lead to restful sleep.

If you can, take things a little less seriously. You are young and must allow yourself the enthusiasm of youth. While I'd be loathe to advise you to drink and smoke, maybe you need to find other ways to get raucous with your buddies.

In short, live a little more and fret less. "Sufficient unto the day is its own evil".

Remember, never break into jail. I will pray for your mental and physical welfare. Turn the music up!

God bless,

Dan



Re: my life...it's over there...could I have it back please?not t o naysay but..

Posted by
Gregory on July 10, 2002 at 19:43:15:

In Reply to: Re: my life...it's over there...could I have it back please? posted by Dan on July 10, 2002 at 18:58:03:

Dan,

Eric doesn't seem to be ABLE to enjoy life at all with all these various ailments.
I believe his complaint is the very lack OF enjoyment.

"...If you can, take things a little less seriously. You are young and must allow
yourself the enthusiasm of youth..."

This is a cruel thing to say Dan. It is difficult NOT to take seriously
the kind of healthh problems Eric mentions. Collectively and individually they keep
him from "seeking joy"

".... At your age, you should be relatively free from care, it can always intrude on your life at a later date.

Having some happiness and joy in the moment, is usually accomplished by not fretting or focusing on the moments that have yet to arrive..."

At 23, and even before, "care has intruded" and it is unlikely that
Eric has had much time or substantial relief from these ailments. This is not a case
of simple fretting over a pimple or constipation, but several consistent and serious
longterm ailments and conditions.

With all the good and substantial advice you have given, I am somewhat surprised that you
would give this "sweep it under the rug" kind of advice, Christian perspective not withstanding.



Lightwalking,
Gregory




Re: my life...it's over there...could I have it back please?

Posted by Rick on July 10, 2002 at 19:46:46:

In Reply to: my life...it's over there...could I have it back please? posted by Eric on July 10, 2002 at 17:43:55:

Hi Eric - Email me at (alternative.health@verizon.net) and I'll send you a Candida/Leaky Gut Questionnaire to answer and I'll give you my suggestions on how to get your life back! * Rick *

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Re: my life...it's over there...could I have it back please?

Posted by Barb on July 10, 2002 at 20:18:29:

In Reply to: my life...it's over there...could I have it back please? posted by Eric on July 10, 2002 at 17:43:55:

Hi Eric,
Thanks for coming on the BB and sharing. It would be very discouraging to be 23 and going through this. Its discouraging at any age. Espcially since you have tried everything to gain your health back. I know you mentioned that you have been to the natural Drs. What kind of tests did they give you? Did you happen to take a siliva test? I realise the expense of all the testings and supplements. I hope you can hang in there. Good luck!!!!!

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Re: my life...it's over there...could I have it back please?

Posted by Vince F on July 10, 2002 at 20:19:05:

In Reply to: my life...it's over there...could I have it back please? posted by Eric on July 10, 2002 at 17:43:55:

you say that you changed you diet 4 years ago and have had
your problems for 4 years. I would look into that diet.
Maybe it isn't right for you.

How much stress are you under ?

VF

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Re: my life...it's over there...could I have it back please?

Posted by FW on July 10, 2002 at 20:47:04:

In Reply to: Re: my life...it's over there...could I have it back please? posted by Eric on July 10, 2002 at 17:57:10:

Unfortunately, I suspect you're going to have to be extremely strict on a wellness plan for a long time, maybe a year or two. It's taken me two years to get well (and I'm still not 100 percent - if I cheat a little I can still pay for it, just not as bad as I used to, and I also get over a setback more quickly than I used to).

Have you been checked for heavy metals? I know, more tests, more money, but if you've got very many dental amalgams and have high mercury levels, you may have to have them removed and go through a mercury detox before you can get over candida, etc. That was the case with me. I had tested normal for mercury using the standard hair analysis. A complementary doc (a D.O.) used muscle testing and a urinalysis test to determine that my heavy metal load was too high. I started to get better quickly after having the amalgams removed, though my fatigue did get worse. I still get some fatigue, but oddly, getting up early (around 5am), and going to bed early, has helped a lot.

Hope this is of some help.



Re: my life...it's over there...could I have it back please?

Posted by LatinaInWPB on July 10, 2002 at 20:56:20:

In Reply to: Re: my life...it's over there...could I have it back please? posted by Eric on July 10, 2002 at 17:57:10:

I also deeply sympathize with you, especially because of your youth. I'm 49 and mostly thanks to stress (I'm the single Mom of 2 teens!) I lost my health two years ago and like you cannot say allopathic medicine has done much for me.

Until recently (I'm going through a period of "rebelion"), I'd either stopped or avoided a lot of my favorite foods and probably should "ditch" others but refuse to on account of the fact that my life is already drab and still stressful. At least you can eat organic foods, I can't afford them nor seeing a natural practitioner. I saw a naturopath last year for 4 months (couldn't afford more) and made some progress. Afterwards I continued to apply what I learned there on my own. Fortunately for me, nutrition/health have been my passion for many years (hope to eventually become a professional) so now I just keep searching for the right combination of "things" that will finally return me to my former self.

I fervently believe in our bodies' amazing capacity for healing even when conditions are not 100% ideal. I believe that if we strengthen our immune and excretory systems, and remove most things that interfere with healing, our bodies will do the rest. So keep the faith, with each day you are getting closer to the new healthy you, all that's probably needed is to more clisely "tune up" your regime to your personal bio-chemistry. And remember, years of wrongful treatment of our bodies, whether by ignorance or whatever, cannot be erased in a short time and you say you only got "really serious" back in November...

As I read your post, a number of questions came to my mind and I'm wondering if you wouldn't mind answering them as this could help others besides me to analyze why you may not be having the results you expect. Here they are: 1) How long did you see each of the natural practitioners you mention and what therapies did you follow with each? 2) Very specifically, which nutritional supplements have you taken (give length of time for each)? 3) Which ones are you taking now (specify brand please)?. 4) What's your blood type? (Only Type A's do really well on vegetarian diets...) 5) Is the bulk of your diet raw or cooked? 6) Do you eat a lot of grains? Which ones? 7) Do you consume unfermented soy products regularly (ie. soy milk, tofu, etc.) 8) Do you take or have taken recently any digestive enzymes with your meals? 9) What's your approximate daily (plain) water intake? 10) Do you spend a lot of hours indoors with the windows closed on a daily basis or do you try to go out in the sun regularly? 10) Mention what type of exercise you practice and how often.

I too had to follow an anti-candida/alkalizing diet (together with chinese herb therapy, colon/liver detox, etc.) but I was on it for 3 months even though my case was rather mild. Since you were on antibiotics on/off for years, you probably needed to stick with it longer and follow up with anticandida herbs besides the acidophilus, better yet, you should take the combination that works best for your blood type like I did after I was "on my own".

Best wishes.



to FW: my life...it's over there...could I have it back please?

Posted by Barb on July 10, 2002 at 22:25:53:

In Reply to: Re: my life...it's over there...could I have it back please? posted by FW on July 10, 2002 at 20:47:04:

Great suggestion FW. I have read many posts of people that got much better after having their fillings removed. Infact one man had severe CF. After having his fillings removed he had postive results almost immediately.

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Re: my life...it's over there...could I have it back please?not t o naysay but..

Posted by Dan on July 10, 2002 at 23:08:04:

In Reply to: Re: my life...it's over there...could I have it back please?not t o naysay but.. posted by Gregory on July 10, 2002 at 19:43:15:

Thank you for auditing my opinions, unfortunately, I can't reciprocate.



thinking along the same lines...

Posted by gigi on July 10, 2002 at 23:09:56:

In Reply to: Re: my life...it's over there...could I have it back please? posted by LatinaInWPB on July 10, 2002 at 20:56:20:

my first thought in reading your message, Eric, was that there could very well be a connnection between the vegan diet and many of your problems. If you are a blood type O, a vegan diet will make you sick. Vegans eat no flesh food at all, not even fish, right? So what makes up most of your diet? If it's grains and beans, you're getting a lot of lectins that are causing trouble in your intestines -- extreme trouble, if you're a type O.

Of course you've probably been checked for food allergies, but even when the allergy test comes up negative, people can be sensitive to certain foods. Wheat and corn are likely culprits, with the whole-grain forms the most aggravating.

So please give us a bit more info, we want to help!

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Re: my life...it's over there...could I have it back please? Gainsaying

Posted by
Gregory on July 11, 2002 at 00:21:33:

In Reply to: Re: my life...it's over there...could I have it back please?not t o naysay but.. posted by Dan on July 10, 2002 at 23:08:04:

They're opinions? My bad. I thought you were giving advice.


Lightwalking,
Gregory



Re: my life...it's over there...could I have it back please?

Posted by
Cheezi on July 11, 2002 at 00:34:10:

In Reply to: my life...it's over there...could I have it back please? posted by Eric on July 10, 2002 at 17:43:55:

Hang in there, Eric. You're too young to just give up now. You had a rough start, but you can make it better. My friend, Laurie, has the intestinal problems that you mentioned, along with the Depression issue. I've been able to guide her in a better direction as far as nutrition and both issues are gone now. Now we're working on the long-run; she's allergic to almost every antibiotic on the market. Erithromycin put her into anaphelactic shock the last time she tried to take it. Building her immune system will take some time, but I know she'll do it. Same with you. Hang in there and shoot me an e-mail now and then. Let me know how you're doing and I'll send you some support.

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Re: my life...it's over there...could I have it back please?

Posted by
Eric on July 11, 2002 at 01:26:52:

In Reply to: my life...it's over there...could I have it back please? posted by Eric on July 10, 2002 at 17:43:55:

Thanks to everyone that wrote back!

As far as more information goes, I can offer the following.

Regarding diet: Mostly vegan in my case means that I eat cheese
at least once a week and fish (usually tuna or salmon) about once
a week to once every two weeks (my blood type is A+) I don't think
that lack of flesh foods is the problem as the two months that I
spent on a really strict candida diet (no yeast/no fruit/no starch/etc)
I was eating quite a bit of free range chicken and pork simply
because I felt like for me-at this time-being on a super strict anti-
candida diet that is also vegan would leave me wasted away (I
have always been small/skinny and have interestingly enough
been at 125 lbs and 5'10" for about 5 years now--definitely small,
but it seems that my body likes that weight as even if I am eating
alot, or even after I fasted for a week I don't budge away from that
mark by more than a pound or two) I try to eat some raw
vegetables everyday and at least a few totally raw meals a week.

Re: exercise - like I said my exercise varies between simply
walking about 3 or 4 miles a day (I have a dog) to trying to bike
back and forth from work every day (which is 16 miles roundtrip - a
trip i was making at least 3x/week until about a month ago when
the fatigue came back really really bad)

Re: supplements I'm currently taking lomatium 2x a day (incase
things can be related to epstein barr - the last brainstorm of my
naturopath) and chinese ginsing 2x a day. I take tyrosine in the
mornings and 4g of vitamin C and a vitamin E supplement daily.
Also acidopholous and spirulina and a multivitamin and
sometimes sea vegetables. Over the past year I have tried lots of
anti-yeast products (candex, caprylic acid, gse), I've tried 5 HTP
and Sam-E as well as all manners of vitamin supplementation and
EFA oils (borage oil, flax oil, fish oil)

I've had a hair analysis but it came back fairly normal: a few
vitamins a little high (probably from supplements), no acute metal
posioning or anything

I saw a naturopath for about 6 months who basically put me on the
anti candida diet and also had me on an herb mixture for prostate
and urinary tract health

Saw an acupuncturist twice a week for about a month and a half --
nbladder/prostate pain disappeared at the beginning of the
treatments but slowly came back until towards the end of the
treatments i was feeling just as bad again and didn't feel like I
could afford the two treatments a week when they seemed to not
be helping anymore. Saw a homeopath which quite honestly I feel
didn't do anything. saw allopathic phsyicians quite a few times,
although each time I had to basically pick a symptom to focus on
and couldn't even think about them being interrelated. Was
prescribed antibiotics twice for bladder pain even though all
infection tests came back negative (take this, it will clear out
whatever is there) and I was prescribed tofranil (A tri-cyclic anti-
depressant right?) for fatigue/depression. None of the
prescriptions ever got filled.

3 other symptoms I neglected to mention (you know it's time to get
better when you can't even remember what is wrong with you) are:

a severe craving for something.....I just get this severe body-based
craving for something so bad I can even feel it in my teeth but it
isn't really relieved by anything: I kind-of feel like I want alcohol,
candy, or lots of water when I have it although experiments have
shown none of those things quite make it go away. So my guess is
that it is carbohydrate craving which makes sense from a candida
standpoint????

I've always been an extremely good communicator but over the
past year I have noticed that as I type I often type homonyms, or I
will leave out all the vowels in an entire sentence, or leave out
words....this definitely is much worse on days where I'm feeling
super spacey, but it's kinda scary to have your brain start skipping
tracks

Last summer I was living in a non-airconditioned house and ended
up with a skin fungal infection covering about 40% of my body
which also would make sense from a candida standpoint.....finally
went away with a couple weeks of diflucan (the tea tree oil and
pau d'arco tea just wasn't cutting it there)

I feel like I could do anything if I knew I would be totally better at
the end of it. I realize that the best people probably have to offer
me is the avice to hang in there, stick it out, and probably go on a
really strict anti-candida diet and meaure time in months not
weeks. But that is of course, easier said than done. And the diet
I've been on for the last 6 months, while certianly not strictly anti-
candida is almost zero sugar so with that and the acidopholous
shouldn't I be seeing some improvements?

And if an organic banana is going to set me back because of the
sugar in it, why isn't the guy down the hall who drinks a 6 pack of
mountain dew a day rolling around on the floor in agony. (end
rhetorical whining)

thanks again for reading my book ;)



Re: my life...it's over there...could I have it back please? Gainsaying

Posted by Eric on July 11, 2002 at 01:36:07:

In Reply to: Re: my life...it's over there...could I have it back please? Gainsaying posted by Gregory on July 11, 2002 at 00:21:33:

Thanks Gregory, that is indeed the case. Telling someone battling
depression to cheer up just doesn't work. I get what you are saying
Dan, but trust me, I as much as anyone hate having to be
obsessed over whether I ate yeast in my meal today, but it seems
everyone that got better seemed to say they had to be obsessive
about it for awhile....for quite a few years now I have tried to ignore
my problems and just go out and have a good time and was even
fairly successful at times, but things have just gotten worse and
worse to the point that there's no option of ignoring them at this
point........



Re: my life...it's over there...could I have it back please?

Posted by ray on July 11, 2002 at 02:45:16:

In Reply to: Re: my life...it's over there...could I have it back please? posted by Dan on July 10, 2002 at 18:58:03:

not sure I am understanding this correctly DAN?? He's only 23 so his complaints are trivial? Gees, this boy has suffered alot. Nevermind that I was only TWENTY-TWO went I started suffering my digestive syptoms, and have EVER since, possibly because every pracitioner thought that I was too young to take my complaints seriously? The guy is here for help not hindrance. Of course, perhaps I misinterprated your post? (nevermind my spelling)

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Getting your life back - This Looks Like A Job For (ta da) DR. STOLL!

Posted by
Gregory on July 11, 2002 at 02:58:06:

In Reply to: Re: my life...it's over there...could I have it back please? Gainsaying posted by Eric on July 11, 2002 at 01:36:07:

Until he arrives on the scene to save the day, I thought I might make one GLARING observation,

Which is that maybe you need to be obsessive about one condition at a time. It seems that
with multiple ailments, the "messy room" syndrome takes over and it is difficult to see the
progress that IS being made as it gets lost in the general non-progress of the big picture.

The "hang in there's" and "eat this that and the other's" are well meaning, and may actually
be very good advice -but keep your eye on both the micro and the macro. Also, and I guess
this seems obvious (but I haven't seen anyone mention it yet), make sure that the diet or
treatment for one ailment is contraindicated or detrimental to another ailment. Vegitarian is
not automatically healthy. As a matter of fact, and at the risk of inciting ire amongst the
veggiegrrls and boyz here, may I direct your attention to this book which did wonders
for some ailments I suffered from the biggest of which was a questionable diet based as it was on the
latest "cure" for some specific ailment.



Lightwalking,
Gregory



Re: This Looks Like A Job For (ta da) DR. STOLL! - {correction}

Posted by
Gregory on July 11, 2002 at 03:04:04:

In Reply to: Getting your life back - This Looks Like A Job For (ta da) DR. STOLL! posted by Gregory on July 11, 2002 at 02:58:06:

THIS:
make sure that the diet or treatment for one ailment is contraindicated or detrimental to another

SHOULD READ:
make sure that the diet or
treatment for one ailment isn't contraindicated or detrimental to another


Lightwalking,
Gregory


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Re: my life...it's over there...could I have it back please?

Posted by Ricky D.C. on July 11, 2002 at 03:16:09:

In Reply to: Re: my life...it's over there...could I have it back please? posted by Eric on July 10, 2002 at 17:57:10:

I stongly agree on the metals in your mouth, but even before that (expensive, can you afford it now?) fix, I'd make sure you get rid of most of your internal parasites....
in your post you talk about 4/5 bowel
movements with white specs.....that translates to me as PARASITES eating you away! (that's what I see in my practice often, more and more frequent with young people...)

so I suggest you to follow a good parasite program, (like the Hulda Clark one, with cloves, black walnut tincture and wormwood) while taking probiotics all along

after the parasite program, I strongly advice you to do several liver cleanses, (always along with probiotics, never stop'em) that will flush all sort of poisons out of your liver and gallbladder....on a young kid like you, the results are usually dramatic.
I see this happening every day in my practice.
hang in there, it will take some time to clean up all the mess (drugs+diet) of your prev. years, but you'll get out...
time and age is on your side, use it effectively.
Ciao



Re: my life...it's over there...could I have it back please?

Posted by Ricky D.C. on July 11, 2002 at 03:36:31:

In Reply to: Re: my life...it's over there...could I have it back please? posted by Ricky D.C. on July 11, 2002 at 03:16:09:

just a clarification...
when I say PARASITES I don't mean only candida, (that is indeed rampant in you ) but I mean WORMS, big, fat tapeworms, roundworms, pinworms....anal itching....eating pork....I cannot believe that no practitioner ever pointed this route to you....
and don't trust parasite stool testing, they are mostly ineffective since they search for around 100 species, while more than 1000 can be feasting inside you...
these critters thrive on depressed immune systems and literally eat up everything good you swallow, leaving the sugars to candida fungus, and their toxic bowel movements as YOUR nutrition...;)
hang in there...

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Re: my life...it's over there...could I have it back please?

Posted by BarbaraN on July 11, 2002 at 04:45:02:

In Reply to: my life...it's over there...could I have it back please? posted by Eric on July 10, 2002 at 17:43:55:

Have you considered food sensitivities? You can kill off candida and all the other critters, but if you are still eating foods that you are sensitive to, your gut will never heal. All of my blood and stool tests came back negative for parasites, candida and so forth but I still felt like crap till I learned which foods I was sensitive to and eliminated them. Now I can have them again but in limited quantities. Its not just wheat, corn and milk you have to worry about. Other foods can cause sensitivities as well. In my case it was bananas, brocoli, cauliflower and cabbages.



Re: my life...it's over there...could I have it back please?

Posted by Jan S. on July 11, 2002 at 05:02:28:

In Reply to: Re: my life...it's over there...could I have it back please? posted by BarbaraN on July 11, 2002 at 04:45:02:

Hi Barbara,

Just curious. How did you determine it was bananas, brocoli, cauliflower and cabbages? By what method? e-diet? ELISA test?



Re: my life...it's over there...could I have it back please?

Posted by Dan on July 11, 2002 at 07:39:48:

In Reply to: Re: my life...it's over there...could I have it back please? posted by Eric on July 11, 2002 at 01:26:52:

Eric- it seems, you are seeing more inspirational results from the guy with the 6 pack of Mountain Dew than from a cornucopia of diet and health practices.

Amongst some of the people I encounter running, are a few who drink and smoke heavily. Without a doubt, they might be much healthier if they ommitted the smoking and reduced the drinking, but they always smile and strike me as motivated and reasonably content people.

You have substantial hope because you have yet to describe an immutable condition. My reference to your youth is in no way intended to be patronizing. At your age and in what you suggest is really a good physical condition, you can guzzle Mountain Dew with the best of them.

Focus your energies toward a positive mental attitude then worry about the diet.


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Re: my life...it's over there...could I have it back please?

Posted by Joanie on July 11, 2002 at 07:43:53:

In Reply to: Re: my life...it's over there...could I have it back please? posted by Eric on July 11, 2002 at 01:26:52:

Eric,

You're screaming CRS. The best way I know to help with this is eliminating ALL sugars, alcohol, yeast products, mushrooms, vinegar, cheese, etc. (you have to be perfect). Take caprylic acid and homeopathic candida. I would also get a CDSA test from Great Smokies to find out exactly what you're fighting. Acidophilus is good, but not enough for your symptoms. I know it's expensive, but Primal Defense would definitely help. Above all, DO NOT take any prescription medication (excuse me...poison) that the allopaths would love to give you. Also, doing your SR twice per day every day is very very important.

You sound determined, so I'm sure if you follow my and others advice you'll get your life back. It will be a tough road though. Good luck.

Namaste`

Joanie

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Re: my life...it's over there...could I have it back please?

Posted by Vince F on July 11, 2002 at 09:35:53:

In Reply to: Re: my life...it's over there...could I have it back please? posted by Eric on July 11, 2002 at 01:26:52:

I usually satisfy cravings since I usually feel better after

Sometimes things can be hard to figure out or pretty
simple. Back when they started to warn that using salt was
bad I had a problem in the heat and got disoriented. I
thought I might not be eating right, enough variety so I
tried that and even took a multi vit and Nothing.
Trmrmbering that salt used to be taken to help deal with
heat I loaded up a sandwich with more salt than I usually
used which was a decent amount to where it was distastful.
Nothing... Then thinking, Salt Tablets, I just took the salt
shaker and put some in my mouth and in 15 min I was working
like a demon with sweat pouring off of me. I found that
That was the answer to what was the problem though I believe
it was because my kidneys which are one of the salt regulators, had
been damaged. I got grieffrom friends and family but I could
function and those who cutout salt as per the warnings,
didn't and eventually did damage by fighting the cravings.

I look for things that work and Then try to figure out
why they did. I found that taking a multi vitamin to try
to help severe muscle aches after exertion, cut them in
half and shortioned the duration Plus I didn't catch a cold
a few days after. Haven't figured out why it worked and I
wasn't into supplimenting unless I saw a definite benefit
and still don't but look for ones that make me feel better
by helping a problem and Fast.

I had food sensitivities that would give me severe,
stabing pains in my face and head that would last for days.
I was on a bland diet since that didn't bother me but I
would eat something that would hit me. One day I remembered
oatmeal and decided to try it during a bout of the pains and
within minutes the pains went away and just eating it a few
times I stoped having the sensitivities. I think I just
read the reason why it could have helped and it is 12 yrs
later.

I don't do, take, or use anything unless I think it will
help me no matter what Experts claim is supposed to be
good or bad. I have a health food eating friend who does
Everything you are said to do and he is always ill. He
Insists that my remaining problems are from sugar and
Thinks I get a burst of energy when I eat it since you are
Supposed to and then fatigue after. I Don't and have
weakness, fatigue, and a hard time geting started doing
things because of physical and brain damage. Sugar has no
effect on me wether positive or negative so I am not one
of the Few that are Sensitive to it. My friend points to
hyperactive kids as his explaination why sugar can cause
fatigue, after the extereme energy. I Wish sugar gave me
energy or metal clarity but it doesn't. Right now some B
vitamins are helping. B-1 seems to do a lot so I am trying
others. A multi B seems to bother my vision so I am
concerned about that and have to prove it.

Sometimes answers are hard to find and sometimes pretty
simple but doing what works for other might not work for
you. You have to learn.

VF

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Re: my life...it's over there...could I have it back please? (Archive in wellnes

Posted by Walt Stoll on July 11, 2002 at 10:00:16:

In Reply to: my life...it's over there...could I have it back please? posted by Eric on July 10, 2002 at 17:43:55:

Hi, Eric.

Your birth circumstances indicate that you were "born behind the 8-ball". This means that you are going to have to work harder than most people to be healthier.

You cannot afford to "meditate often". You have to do it at least twice a day every day.

You cannnot afford an almost perfect diet but have to be compulsively perfect with it for at least a year.

You probably need probiotics for at least a year while you are doing this--this is the only thing that will cost you money. All the other things you need to do are free of $ cost.

THEN write again with your progress. The next thing for you to do will depend upon that progress report.

BE SURE TO CERTIFY THE EFFECTIVENESS OF YOUR SR!

Walt

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Re: my life...it's over there...could I have it back please?

Posted by Ricky D.C. on July 11, 2002 at 10:20:56:

In Reply to: Re: my life...it's over there...could I have it back please? posted by BarbaraN on July 11, 2002 at 04:45:02:

the allergy/intolerances testing is another route I would strongly advise....
I routinely do kinesiology muscle-testing in my practice, using vials of the most common allergens, positioned on the thymus gland. testing double-blinded, works amazingly well.
also good ways are the IMPROVED Vega-test and the Coca pulse-test, that you can administer yourself first thing in the morning.

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What part of the country are you located in?

Posted by
Daisy on July 11, 2002 at 10:39:33:

In Reply to: my life...it's over there...could I have it back please? posted by Eric on July 10, 2002 at 17:43:55:

Knowing this, you may be able to find someone on the board who has a particularly good practitioner that they can recommend to help you on your path to healing.
I have to say that I really feel for you. It sounds like the last 23 years have been a constant health struggle. I think that what Dr. Stoll says is true, you are going to have to work much harder to secure your health than those who were luckier to be born without these complications. But, it seems that you're starting with an excellent approach and an excellent outlook.
Take care,
Daisy



Re: What part of the country are you located in?

Posted by Eric on July 11, 2002 at 11:31:03:

In Reply to: What part of the country are you located in? posted by Daisy on July 11, 2002 at 10:39:33:

I'm in Minneapolis, and I am definitely open to recommendations.
(anyone? anyone?)

and while it is true that I have always struggled with being sick, it's
only been in the last 4 years that physical illness has given way to
mental illness, which is in many ways, much worse......



Re: my life...it's over there...could I have it back please?

Posted by Naya on July 11, 2002 at 15:20:45:

In Reply to: Re: my life...it's over there...could I have it back please? posted by Eric on July 11, 2002 at 01:26:52:

Just a few more words or sentences, lol. You have to eliminate the cheese! And those cravings you feel are the yeast just pleading with you to feed it. Candida loves sweets and carbs. After a while, these cravingss will subside. Also, I know what you mean about your inability to write or type straight. Posting here and sending emails to people drives me crazy 'cause half the time I can't even think straight or type. I myself was doing much better and even tested negative for candida. but then I went on hormone therapy which apparently feeds the candida, too and now i'm back where I started, so i know how you must be feeling. Personally, I'm feeling totally p*&%@d off. So, as Walt said, you really have to be compulsive about this thing and you're going to feel deprived, but what are the alternatives? My thoughts are with you!



Re: my life...it's over there...could I have it back please?

Posted by BarbaraN on July 11, 2002 at 18:05:50:

In Reply to: Re: my life...it's over there...could I have it back please? posted by Jan S. on July 11, 2002 at 05:02:28:

I had the ELISA test done. I was sick in the US and needed to get back to Holland. Was going to a holistic practioner and getting IV therapy but was still not quite seeing the results I wanted. I started out doing the pulse test to see what I was having problems with but that was taking too long. So I order the ELISA test and once I eliminated the things on their list, things went much fast and better. I think that cabbage family veggies are also a no no on the blood type diet so that turned out to be pretty consistent for a type O. I've added back cabbage family veggies but not on a regular basis but I still can't eat bananas at all.



To Naya: my life...it's over there...could I have it back please?

Posted by Kim on July 11, 2002 at 20:52:58:

In Reply to: Re: my life...it's over there...could I have it back please? posted by Naya on July 11, 2002 at 15:20:45:

Hi Naya,
What kind of hormone therapy are you using?



Re: To Naya: my life...it's over there...could I have it back please?

Posted by Naya to Kim on July 11, 2002 at 21:57:49:

In Reply to: To Naya: my life...it's over there...could I have it back please? posted by Kim on July 11, 2002 at 20:52:58:

Hi! I'm using a compounded estriol vaginal cream. I am post-menopausal, (had total hysterectomy, no ovaries left). I can't have a sex life without the hormones, but every time I take them, my candida comes back. Any ideas?



To Naya: Some Ideas.

Posted by
Gregory on July 11, 2002 at 23:30:08:

In Reply to: Re: To Naya: my life...it's over there...could I have it back please? posted by Naya to Kim on July 11, 2002 at 21:57:49:

#1. Menopause, HRT and other Myths

#2. >Pillar Nine of the Ten Pillars Of Health

#3. Natural Alternatives to Hormone Replacement Therapy

#4. Treatment of complicated Candida vaginitis

#5. Menopause and Hormone Replacement Therapy

#6. Alternatives to Conventional Hormone Replacement Therapy (long article)



Lightwalking,
Gregory



Re: To Naya: my life...it's over there...could I have it back please?

Posted by Kim on July 11, 2002 at 23:52:22:

In Reply to: Re: To Naya: my life...it's over there...could I have it back please? posted by Naya to Kim on July 11, 2002 at 21:57:49:

Hi Naya,
Thats really frustrating! I read about a triest creme.
Maybie there will be something in all the websites Gregory posted.

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Re: What part of the country are you located in?

Posted by Walt Stoll on July 12, 2002 at 07:38:22:

In Reply to: Re: What part of the country are you located in? posted by Eric on July 11, 2002 at 11:31:03:

Hi, Eric.

You happen to be in the same state as one of the world's leading complementary practitioners: Bill Manahan, MD, in Mankato. (507) 387-1333.

Give him a hug for me when you see him. Be sure to have a copy of all your medical records IN YOUR HANDS when you see him as well as a brief hsitory as described in the Health Coaching Protocol link.

Let us know what you learn and how you do.

Walt

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Thanks for the help!

Posted by Naya to Gregory on July 12, 2002 at 14:00:32:

In Reply to: To Naya: Some Ideas. posted by Gregory on July 11, 2002 at 23:30:08:

I'll check these out. I really appreciate your interest.

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Re: ELISA test

Posted by Jan S. on July 14, 2002 at 17:36:11:

In Reply to: Re: my life...it's over there...could I have it back please? posted by BarbaraN on July 11, 2002 at 18:05:50:

Thanks Barb, I always like to know how people do on these tests... seems like it was a helpful part of the picture for you. I am going to combine the Immuno Labs ELISA test (because it is so spoken so highly of here) with the e-diet. I tried the ALCAT test and it did not work very well for me, but think I am a lot smarter than I was then. :)

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