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Mind as Healer Comments

Posted by Pete R on October 14, 1998 at 10:29:22:

Hello Dr. Stoll.

Just a comment on your reccommendation that everyone read
the classic Mind as Healer book.

I have bought and read the book: really liked it. But it
took me soooo long to complete. Its a very hard book to
read. And I would consider myself to be a good reader of
technical literature. Thats part of my job.
I'd say the best part was when he covered meditation.

My point here is that when you tell a 16 year old with acne
to read this classic book and all his problems will "clear"
that this is NOT going to work. Unless the patient is somewhat advanced, he may just give up on this course of
action. (picture in your mind the teenager saying,
"Stoll's a drag, man")

And, of course, you are right. If the person would learn
the skills that you promote he would in fact get better.
I just think that book is so hard to read that the overall
point of the book may be missed, and that would be too bad.

I really love this site and I thank you for all the
time you spend with us. (and by the way, on your
reccommendation (and my piano's need for mositure), we are
installing whole house humidifiers. Our New England air
can be more than a bit dry in the winter))

Regards
Pete Reinhard




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OK, so suggest a better book?

Posted by Jim Marconnet on October 14, 1998 at 11:46:08:

In Reply to: Mind as Healer Comments posted by Pete R on October 14, 1998 at 10:29:22:

I have not read it, so I cannot comment on the book. But I've forced my way thru some tough books and understood that a lot can be lost rather than gained in the process. It's like you know less and are even less interested in the subject after reading than you were before.

Can you please suggest a better book to read first?

RocketHealer Jim++


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Sorry I can not. Thats a great Q for Dr. Stoll

Posted by Pete R on October 14, 1998 at 12:54:49:

In Reply to: OK, so suggest a better book? posted by Jim Marconnet on October 14, 1998 at 11:46:08:

Hello Rocket Jim
I'm still new at these concepts, although I fully believe
in them, I'm not at all qualified to reccommend a good
text.
You ask a great question, however. Even though the
Pelletier book may be considered the bible, its reference
could be given to those individuals who want "extra credit
reading". I know that Dr. Stoll reccommends many other
books as well. I just have to find them.

regards.
Pete Reinhard


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Suggestions

Posted by Peter Wray on October 14, 1998 at 15:58:53:

In Reply to: OK, so suggest a better book? posted by Jim Marconnet on October 14, 1998 at 11:46:08:

I too have found Mind As Healer pretty tough going.

I'd suggest Herbert Benson - The Relaxation Response or Beyond the Relaxation Response. Both are very easy reading, but still very informative.

Perhaps Stress Without Distress by Hans Selyer (although I was in high school when I first read this - and that's a few years ago).

Peter


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Re: Mind as Healer Comments

Posted by Walt Stoll on October 15, 1998 at 10:34:18:

In Reply to: Mind as Healer Comments posted by Pete R on October 14, 1998 at 10:29:22:

Thanks, Pete.

I appreciate your comments. You have to know that I am aware of this, having practiced for many years and read this book at least a half-dozen times myself--and still learning from it. I don't think you really meant what you said in your first paragraph: "recommendation that everyone read the classic Mind as Healer book".

You will notice that I do not start out recommending MAH, MAS. I start with practical recommendations. Unfortunately (or fortunately--since I really prefer that kind of person), some people will not follow simple recommendations without understanding WHY this approach would work.

When those people let me know that they will have to understand better before considering my recommendations, I have nothing I can say to them except read MAH, MAS. This is FAR from recommending this to everyone.

I know of nothing simpler to start people on the road to understanding this still revolutionary paradigm. I don't think this BB can write a book for an explanation this complex.

I would be very interested in anyone finding an easier to understand publication to help ANYONE understand this. I would immediately start recommending that publication as a first step and relegate MAH, MAS to those who want more advanced reading.

For the teenager, the only thing I can suggest at this stage of my own understanding is to "have faith" and give the practical suggestions a chance to work. ALL people with acne see results in a few months and clearing in a year. I, too, think that trying to become an expert in this at the level of MAH, MAS is probably harder than just doing it. However, it is not MY place to choose that for any individual.

Your piano will love you for the humidity. However your bodies will love you more. Let us know what you experience.

Namaste` Walt




Re: Sorry I can not. Thats a great Q for Dr. Stoll

Posted by Walt Stoll on October 15, 1998 at 11:00:29:

In Reply to: Sorry I can not. Thats a great Q for Dr. Stoll posted by Pete R on October 14, 1998 at 12:54:49:

Dear Pete,

ANYTHING by Hans Selye, MD would get deeper into all of this but would be even further into the technical bases for these discovered interrelationships and would be even harder to assimilate by the lay public.

See my note about this earlier today.

Help?! Walt




Re: OK, so suggest a better book?

Posted by Dawn G. on October 15, 1998 at 16:53:55:

In Reply to: OK, so suggest a better book? posted by Jim Marconnet on October 14, 1998 at 11:46:08:

I have just started Mind as Healer. It looks like a good book for me, but I can see that it would be heavy for some people. I found a book that saved my life seven years ago when I had a back injury. It's Minding the Body, Mending the Mind by Joan Borysenko. It's a great introduction to mindfullness and the relaxation response.


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Re: OK, so suggest a better book?

Posted by Sara on October 15, 1998 at 20:42:27:

In Reply to: Re: OK, so suggest a better book? posted by Dawn G. on October 15, 1998 at 16:53:55:

I've read MAH, MAS - a difficult read, but I was able to understand it. I much appreciated Dr. Stoll's book however, and wish I had read it first. I think I would have been able to understand Mind as Healer much better had I read it after. I really am enjoying and getting great benefit from another book too - "Why People Don't Heal, and How They Can" by Caroline Myss, PhD. I'm only half way through it, but have found it helpful in disconnecting from my illnesses. I think people tend to identify with their illnesses (as I have for a long time), and she talks about that in her book. We are not our illnesses, and once we can make that distinction (not always easy), it can be very helpful in the healing process (of course always remembering to practice the skilled relaxation - of utmost importance in the whole process toward wellness). I also have "Minding the Body, Mending the Mind" and plan to read it - just haven't gotten to it yet.

Sara



Re: OK, so suggest a better book?

Posted by Walt Stoll on October 16, 1998 at 14:55:32:

In Reply to: Re: OK, so suggest a better book? posted by Dawn G. on October 15, 1998 at 16:53:55:

Dear Dawn,

I agree with both you and Sara about alternatives. I would be VERY interested in opinions by people who had read all three as to what they learned from each.

I agree that, hopefully, reading my book first would help readers get more out of MAH, MAS. That is one of the reasone I wrote my book the way I did. It is meant to be a door opener, not a be all & end all.

Thanks, Walt






Re: OK, so suggest a better book?

Posted by gerry on October 16, 1998 at 15:28:17:

In Reply to: OK, so suggest a better book? posted by Jim Marconnet on October 14, 1998 at 11:46:08:

I tired (that's a typo, but in this case it helps) to read it too, and I agree with the rocketman!



Re: Suggestions

Posted by Robert Colt on October 27, 1998 at 21:27:12:

In Reply to: Suggestions posted by Peter Wray on October 14, 1998 at 15:58:53:

I suggest "The Guru Papers" by Joel Kramer and Diana Alstad. Barnes and Noble has it in Sociology.



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