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How do you all maintain health while working full time??

Posted by Fork in the Road [1021.218] on March 02, 2004 at 10:53:59:

If you live in or around a large metropolitan area, commute to work along congested highways, practice SR for 20 minutes 2x each day...grocery shop...food prep...then exercise(!)? Something has to give... Thank God, I don't have a family to care for. It's so stressful trying to fit it all in. Forget juicing...no way could I go to the health food store every day or every other day to pick up veggies. I feel like I'm doomed to fail until I can retire in another 23(?) years...then maybe I would have an entire day to devote to my health.

Those of you who work full time away from home. How do you fit everything in...especially exercise?

Fork




Re: Good Post !! I need answers too (NM)

Posted by JD [300.14] on March 02, 2004 at 12:04:13:

In Reply to: How do you all maintain health while working full time?? posted by Fork in the Road [1021.218] on March 02, 2004 at 10:53:59:

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Quality over quantity

Posted by Lincoln [32.20] on March 02, 2004 at 12:06:48:

In Reply to: How do you all maintain health while working full time?? posted by Fork in the Road [1021.218] on March 02, 2004 at 10:53:59:

Forget the crap the AMA or the AHA or the NIH says about having to exercise 5+ hours a week. If it takes you that many hours a week to get into shape, you aren't working hard enough.

Try this 14 minute drill:
Bodyweight squats, heels flat on the ground. Do as many as you can, as deep as you can, without the heels coming off the ground, for 20 seconds. Now rest 10 seconds. Repeat 8 times. (4 minutes)
Rest 60 seconds
Pushups - as many as you can in 20 seconds. Rest 10 seconds. Repeat 8 times. (4 minutes)
Rest 60 seconds.
Situps - as many as possible for 20 seconds, 10 second rest. Repeat 8 times. (4 minutes)

The lowest number of reps during ANY 20 second period is your score. In other words, if you did 20 squats, then 15 squats, then 10 squats, then 8, 5, 5, 2, and then 2, your score is only 2.

Now, do this 3 times a week for a month. Try to improve your score each time. THEN tell me you don't have enough time to get into shape.



For Lincoln

Posted by Steven [280.62] on March 02, 2004 at 12:16:50:

In Reply to: Quality over quantity posted by Lincoln [32.20] on March 02, 2004 at 12:06:48:

Is this workout Ok for someone who has injuries? I have a shoulder injury and lower body (high foot arch which led to chin, ankle and knee probs). What can I substitute?

Also, is this in addition to hitting the gym? I work out upper body 3 times a week with weights.

Thanks.



Re: How do you all maintain health while working full time??

Posted by ANN [1003.516] on March 02, 2004 at 12:18:43:

In Reply to: How do you all maintain health while working full time?? posted by Fork in the Road [1021.218] on March 02, 2004 at 10:53:59:

At one point, I was working 7 days a week,5 of them 14 hour days, one 9 hour day, and only half a day on Sunday. For exercise, I walked to and from work.
For food, I cooked Sunday afternoon. When I was dieting, I made up a lot of chef's salads ahead of time, bought heavy duty deep dish cardboard plates, and stapled each two together with a large salad between it- that was my day's food- grabbed on the way out the door to work.
When I went through an expensive tv dinner phase, I collected a lot of the trays they came on. Since I usually had a guest to Sunday dinner at my place, I cooked a lot extra. I used the empty trays to make up a week or two's dinners,main course and frozen veggies, added a little water, sealed with foil, froze them all. When I'd come home from work, I'd turn on the oven (I don't microwave, wash, put the dinner in the oven, get into comfortable clothes, make a couple of phone calls, and, before I knew it, dinner was ready.I'd make up a batch of them for my dinner guest, too, to take home and freeze for his dinners during the week-he worked long hours, too.
When I got into veganism, I'd make up a big dish of something once a week- a tofu lasagna, a lentil casserole, cook up a large quantity of brown rice, and stick it all in the fridge. When I got home, I'd put a serving of main dish, a cup of cooked rice, and some frozen veggies in a cast iron skillet, add a little water, cover, steam on high, and dinner is ready in about 5 minutes.

For breakfast, make up several days protein product ( I use soy powder) with water, so it is in the fridge well blended and cold. Each morning, pour some in the blender with flax oil, safflower oil, nut or seed butter,flavoring, fresh fruit (soft fruits become drinkable in the shake- don't have to juice them.)If you keep the stuff you need near the blender, you can do it really fast.

Lunches should be easy stuff- fruit, carrots, whole grain crackers, a hunk of good cheese, if you can tolerate it.

Alternative: advertise at a health food store on the bulletin board, specify your kind of food and the neighborhood you live and work in. There may be a retiree or work at home mom who could provide you with meals for a fee, in the course of making her own family's meals, resumably to go, so as not to mess with your privacy or hers.
Don't now why icing would require you to go to health food store that often- in rural areas, we're grateful for our once a month wholesale co-op truck and we buy 25 lb bags of organic carrots.



oops-juicing, not icing nmi

Posted by ANN [1003.516] on March 02, 2004 at 12:19:59:

In Reply to: Re: How do you all maintain health while working full time?? posted by ANN [1003.516] on March 02, 2004 at 12:18:43:


nmi

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Re: How do you all maintain health while working full time??

Posted by PhillyLady [203.913] on March 02, 2004 at 12:25:25:

In Reply to: How do you all maintain health while working full time?? posted by Fork in the Road [1021.218] on March 02, 2004 at 10:53:59:

Hi Fork:

You could get all your fruits and vegetables on the weekends every week, and then you'll have plenty on hand to juice during the week.

That's what I have to do since I work and come home tired in the evening. I do all my healthy food shopping on weekends.

But you're right about the commute time. It takes away a lot of valuable time that could be used up for something constructive. How about when you get caught in a traffic jam and get can't home until after dinner time. Where's your quality time then? Sometimes I eat dinner at 9:00 at night. Lately, it's been good though:-)

Oh, and there's the wash, the dishes, the vacuuming, the dry-cleaners, the bank, yard work, house work. The list goes on....

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Re: For Lincoln

Posted by Lincoln [32.20] on March 02, 2004 at 12:31:25:

In Reply to: For Lincoln posted by Steven [280.62] on March 02, 2004 at 12:16:50:

This could be in addition to going to the gym but no, it is intended as an 'experiment' that you run in order to see if you can get into shape on less than an hour per week.

I can't pass judgement on injuries over the internet, nor am I going to write customized programs for strangers. In general, a rule of thumb would be pick multi-joint exercises that work the joint in a full range of motion. Typically these would be free-weight or bodyweight exercises. Choose one squatting variation (squats, deadlifts, lunges, etc.), one pulling exercise variation, one pressing variation, and one "core" (i.e. midsection) exercise. Pick variations that work the most muscles, but that also do not aggravate your pre-existing injuries. Do the protocol of 20 on, 10 off for 8 cycles or each exercise. 4 minutes each with a 1 minute rest between exercises.



Re: For Lincoln

Posted by Steven [280.62] on March 02, 2004 at 12:34:20:

In Reply to: Re: For Lincoln posted by Lincoln [32.20] on March 02, 2004 at 12:31:25:

I have been weight training for about 3 years or so. I had to cut off my cardio due to mr SR diffiuclties and knee pains.

Will the workout you showed in the first post be enough to get back into shape on it's own without cardio? I've gained about 10 pounds of weight I did not want and ideally, would like to cut off about 20 pounds (I realixa some muscle will go too but I think it would be good regardless).



Re: For Lincoln

Posted by Lincoln [32.20] on March 02, 2004 at 13:24:10:

In Reply to: Re: For Lincoln posted by Steven [280.62] on March 02, 2004 at 12:34:20:

"Will the workout you showed in the first post be enough to get back into shape on it's own without cardio?"

First, you'd have to define 'in shape'. But, for most people, they'd be in much better shape at the end of 30 days. That includes most people who already go to the gym on a regular basis! Most people simply don't work hard enough to get the kind of results that are possible with hard work. Really, there is no substitute for hard work. Quantity - easy hours logged in the gym - is not a good substitute for hard work. This protocol - the Tabata protocol - is hard work. After that 30 day trial, I'd change up the routine a bit as it is not something that I'd recommend doing forever.



Re: For Lincoln

Posted by Steven [280.62] on March 02, 2004 at 13:38:47:

In Reply to: Re: For Lincoln posted by Lincoln [32.20] on March 02, 2004 at 13:24:10:

In shape for me means low body fat. I'm 6'3 205-210 depending on when I weigh. I was 199/200 about a month ago when I cut out the cardio due to what i said earlier. I'd like to get to about 190 I suppose if it would tighten everything up. I'm just looking for something new that won't put a burden on injuries. Thank bro.

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More quality over quantity

Posted by Lincoln [32.20] on March 02, 2004 at 14:18:35:

In Reply to: Quality over quantity posted by Lincoln [32.20] on March 02, 2004 at 12:06:48:

Consider this quote from a the U.S. Rowing website:

Fredrick C. Hagerman, Ph. D.
"I firmly believe quality of training is more important than quantity for performance improvement in rowers. This is especially true for college varsity and club crews because coaches have so little time for preparing their athletes for competition and the competition period is relatively brief. I am convinced that two 20 - 30 minute training sessions or 3 - 5 X 10 minute sessions at or above anaerobic threshold, and at relatively high cadences, are more effective in elevating aerobic capacity of rowers than long rows of 60 - 90 minutes duration at 60 - 70 % of maximal working capacity."

If short and hard interval training sessions are better for competitive rowers than long and slow sessions, wouldn't it also be better for people who don't have a lot of extra time in their life for exercise? Of course it would.



Re: How do you all maintain health while working full time??

Posted by Carol D. [634.155] on March 02, 2004 at 14:21:02:

In Reply to: Re: How do you all maintain health while working full time?? posted by ANN [1003.516] on March 02, 2004 at 12:18:43:

Hi ANN:

I have a couple of questions for you on your response. (I never really learned how to cook, unless it came out of a box or can, so my questions may seem a bit silly.)

1. What oven temperature/time did you use to reheat your frozen precooked meal?

2. How does one steam using a cast iron skillet?

By the way, I tried a different salad option the other day just to see what it was like. I sprinkled some kelp granules and gomaiso (sesame seed ground with sea salt) on my salad and topped with a little olive oil. It actually wasn't too bad. I think I will be able to do that with a variety of seasonings (onion granules, garlic granules, fresh garlic, and then I'll have to check what other seasonings are allowed on Beth's PWFD). Unfortunately at this point, I cannot tolerate any kind of vinegar (makes my stomach burn). But, I think I've found other options now. Thanks for your suggestions.



Re: How do you all maintain health while working full time??

Posted by Nutmeg [86.58] on March 02, 2004 at 17:06:57:

In Reply to: How do you all maintain health while working full time?? posted by Fork in the Road [1021.218] on March 02, 2004 at 10:53:59:

Hi Fork,

Well, I'm unable to work full-time away from home right now, but here are a few thoughts. An exercise video or routine you can do right at home would be a time-saver, especially in the winter when it's dark before and after work. I recently started doing the original Synergetics video twice a day--it's only 12 minutes long, then I walk outdoors later.

Would you be able to do one of your SR sessions during the day on your lunch hour? If you don't have a private office, think about going to your car, a nearby public building (library, city hall, etc.) or a park and sit on a quiet bench. What about stretching and brisk walking for 20-30 minutes during lunch, counting as at least part of your daily exercise? Keep a pair of walking shoes and socks at your desk or in your car. Could you commute on public transportation a couple of days a week so you can do your SR on the bus or train? Get off a stop early and walk the rest of the way.

Juicing does take a lot of time, especially cleaning the juicer! You could make it a little faster by taking time every couple of days to wash and trim up your veggies and store them in a big plastic container in the refrigerator. That also gives you some fast raw veggies for lunch, if you pack one, and a snack when you get home. Most fresh uncut veggies will keep in the crisper or a plastic bag/container on the refrigerator shelf for a week or more, so you shouldn't have to shop every day. I shop during the week, but in the growing season I make a big haul once a week at the farmer's market and rarely have to toss anything into the compost. Of course food at farmer's markets is fresher than in stores.

Cooking larger quantities of staple items helps speed things up for dinner. When I was eating more grains, I always had cooked brown rice in the refrigerator, and I steam extra broccoli, cauliflower, and carrots for later meals or snacks. If you eat meat, save a portion out of each batch you cook, and put in a baggie or container in the refrigerator or freezer. When I make a roast or turkey breast, I slice it all and put several serving-size portions in the freezer. Extra servings of one-pot meals go in the refrigerator. Hard boil a few eggs at a time so you can grab one or two for breakfast or lunch. Keep crackers, nuts, and other non-perishables in your desk for lunch or snacks so you don't have to pack those every day.

It's a big challenge...looks like you've gotten some good ideas so far.

Wishing you the best,
Nutmeg



Re: How do you all maintain health while working full time??

Posted by Jane [1475.4] on March 02, 2004 at 17:30:14:

In Reply to: How do you all maintain health while working full time?? posted by Fork in the Road [1021.218] on March 02, 2004 at 10:53:59:

Hi Fork, interesting question! I think prioritising is important. I have walking up my nearby tiny mountain absolute priority next to work. This isn't a moral-type hierarchising, it's that once I've exercised -- and I do it AFTER a full day's work -- I have energy for housework, shopping etc that I know I wouldn't otherwise.

Do you watch telly? Tired office workers often feel they're recovering from the day by sitting doing nothing. If you have a tv, don't turn it on other than for say late-news or something if you need to. Listen to the radio instead, because then you can be juicing or cooking while taking in information...
Buy your daily juice? Probably non-organic fresh juice from a juice bar is better than none!
I love my sleep and hate sacrificing sleep hours, but I do find I need less sleep if I'm eating properly and exercising. Can you get up an hour earlier? Don't feel guilty if you can't! Some people really need more sleep than others...
Jane

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Re: How do you all maintain health while working full time??

Posted by ANN [1003.516] on March 02, 2004 at 17:35:50:

In Reply to: Re: How do you all maintain health while working full time?? posted by Carol D. [634.155] on March 02, 2004 at 14:21:02:

It was a really long time ago, but I think it was 350 F for 30 minutes. Before I started making my own, I was buying these little Armour frozen diners- stuff like beef tips and green beans with carrots that cost about $3.50 each a LONG time ago, and I just followed the instructions with my homemade meals that I had been using with the commercial ones before.

Steaming with a cast iron skillet- not hard to do. I used a 10 inch skillet, put in a hunk of main course, a cup of already cooked brown rice, and sprinkled some frozen veggies into the space left. I'd pour in a little water ( maybe half a cup-I don't measure), cover with a corelle dinner plate, and turn it on high. In about 5 minutes, everything was great.
If you make tofu lasagna, I recommend oiled bread crumbs instead of mozarella on top to keep it from drying out. You can use non-wheat bread like Food for Life Brown Rice Bread to make the bread crumbs, if you don't do wheat.

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Re: How do you all maintain health while working full time??

Posted by Michele [15.15] on March 02, 2004 at 19:02:16:

In Reply to: How do you all maintain health while working full time?? posted by Fork in the Road [1021.218] on March 02, 2004 at 10:53:59:

I work full time, have a family, hobbies, etc... and work out - for myself.
We all have the same 24 hours a day.
I sincerely believe that one can prioritize their life to benefit their wellness - if not, then you are overcommitting or prioritizing all wrong!

People that don't have "time" to work out are simply not managing their time well.
Sorry - but that's what it boils down to!
Also, you don't need to set a stone/time amount such as "an hour a day"...though I do feel at least 30-45 minutes works well for "me"... but if you can grab 10 minutes here, 10 minutes there..that should be sufficient to get the program going.



Re: How do you all maintain health while working full time??

Posted by Lincoln [32.20] on March 02, 2004 at 19:06:24:

In Reply to: Re: How do you all maintain health while working full time?? posted by Michele [15.15] on March 02, 2004 at 19:02:16:

Are you the Michelle who teaches seven Yoga classes per week?



Re: How do you all maintain health while working full time??

Posted by Blu [1383.4] on March 02, 2004 at 20:13:32:

In Reply to: Re: How do you all maintain health while working full time?? posted by Michele [15.15] on March 02, 2004 at 19:02:16:

Ouch...but I agree.

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Re: For Lincoln

Posted by Steven [280.62] on March 02, 2004 at 21:18:32:

In Reply to: Re: For Lincoln posted by Lincoln [32.20] on March 02, 2004 at 13:24:10:

I answered your "in shape" question in the other post but I forgot to mention that I am just wondering if this workout will do anything substantial (at least 3 lbs) for me in that month. I am always up for trying something new. Thanks.



Re: How do you all maintain health while working full time??

Posted by Happygal [11.384] on March 02, 2004 at 22:16:45:

In Reply to: How do you all maintain health while working full time?? posted by Fork in the Road [1021.218] on March 02, 2004 at 10:53:59:

Hi Fork,

I think that's why it's called a "wellness lifestyle." Some people do have to make it the focus of their lives and work in other things around it. After a while, the wellness activities become fun rather than seeming like a chore.

Best wishes,
Jan (Happygal)

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Re: More quality over quantity

Posted by R. [312.918] on March 03, 2004 at 01:04:00:

In Reply to: More quality over quantity posted by Lincoln [32.20] on March 02, 2004 at 14:18:35:

I've also noticed that very short (from a few seconds to a few minutes a day a couple of times a week) very high intensity workouts are very effective for me.

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Re: How do you all maintain health while working full time??

Posted by R. [312.918] on March 03, 2004 at 01:13:32:

In Reply to: How do you all maintain health while working full time?? posted by Fork in the Road [1021.218] on March 02, 2004 at 10:53:59:

It seems to me that your major problem is how you perceive these things. Nothing (health related activities, not commuting) you mentioned has to take a lot time. Going to a health food store (or any store, for that matter) needs to happen every day. Once a week is frequent enough. Exercise can take little time too, as Lincoln has shown to you. It can take even less than that, especially, if you don't let yourself get fooled by salesmen to become a member of a gym. SR can easily be done at work during breaks. Juicing takes little time too. Cooking healthful food doesn't have to take a lot of time either. It cooks mostly by itself.

You need to remove your mental blocks – that is your real problem. That is what gives you stress. You are imagining the difficulties. Try EFT (www.emofree.com) to remove the blocks.

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Re: How do you all maintain health while working full time??

Posted by Renee [1011.653] on March 03, 2004 at 07:27:33:

In Reply to: Re: How do you all maintain health while working full time?? posted by Michele [15.15] on March 02, 2004 at 19:02:16:

Wow -- all that and you STILL have time to post on here all day, compose x-rated e-mails, pose for skin mags, AND make a cuckold of your poor husband. Impressive!



Re: How do you all maintain health while working full time??

Posted by Renee [1011.653] on March 03, 2004 at 07:38:40:

In Reply to: How do you all maintain health while working full time?? posted by Fork in the Road [1021.218] on March 02, 2004 at 10:53:59:

Aw c'mon... Some of you are being flippant and discounting Fork's point. It IS more time-consuming to do the 3LS. This is even demonstrated by the vernacular -- "convenience foods" are the first casualty of a healthy lifestyle.

Fork, don't let these people who act like they're superhuman get to you. (It's obvious from their posts that some of them don't practice wellness -- they know nothing about a whole foods diet and pork out on Ben & Jerry's ice cream and chocolate all day. In addition, some people here have a career that involves fitness, so they can kill two birds with one stone by working out while at work.) That was a good post, and your point is well taken.

Food shopping and prep done right DOES take more time, and exercise and SR also take time. You just have to decide that it's important, like getting 8 hours of sleep every night and brushing your teeth, and do it. I try to do my meal planning and shopping and some prepping on the weekends, which helps a great deal during the busy workweek.

For example, you can cook a stockpot of soup and freeze it, then reheat portions during the week. Soak your grains and legumes overnight so they'll be ready the next day. Make sure your pantry is stocked with the non-perishable staples. Invest in a large freezer, then you can buy your antibiotic- and hormone-free meats in bulk to save money and always have them on hand.

Those are obvious but tips that do save some time.



Re: How do you all maintain health while working full time??

Posted by PhillyLady [57.913] on March 03, 2004 at 09:00:42:

In Reply to: Re: How do you all maintain health while working full time?? posted by Michele [15.15] on March 02, 2004 at 19:02:16:

Hi Michele:

Some people don't have time for a structured, time-consuming exercise program.

But you said it well when you said "you don't need to set a stone/time amount". Once they realize this, they won't feel guilty about contributing a small amount of time for workouts, and they'll be more agreeable to "grabing 10 minutes here and there".

By the way, what type of yoga do you teach? You may have mentioned it before, but I don't recall:-)



Re: How do you all maintain health while working full time??

Posted by R. [312.918] on March 03, 2004 at 11:57:21:

In Reply to: Re: How do you all maintain health while working full time?? posted by Renee [1011.653] on March 03, 2004 at 07:38:40:

It doesn't have to, and closer to the end of your message you showed how. Yes, it does take more time to make a salad or cook some meat or soup or whatever than it takes to buy a box of cookies, open it up and eat them. But the point is that it doesn't have to take nearly as much time as Fork seems to imagine. I am talking from my own experience. Bring on some factual arguments to have a real comparison.



Re: How do you all maintain health while working full time??

Posted by Blu [1383.4] on March 03, 2004 at 12:05:41:

In Reply to: Re: How do you all maintain health while working full time?? posted by Renee [1011.653] on March 03, 2004 at 07:27:33:

I think she was just trying to answer a question, why so frustrated??



Re: How do you all maintain health while working full time??

Posted by DonnaW [302.931] on March 03, 2004 at 12:17:41:

In Reply to: Re: How do you all maintain health while working full time?? posted by Lincoln [32.20] on March 02, 2004 at 19:06:24:

Thanks, Lincoln -- you read my mind. . .



Re: How do you all maintain health while working full time??

Posted by DonnaW [302.931] on March 03, 2004 at 12:19:53:

In Reply to: Re: How do you all maintain health while working full time?? posted by Blu [1383.4] on March 03, 2004 at 12:05:41:

Aw, Blu -- I'm not sure you've been here long enough to understand. . . stick around, you'll see.

/d



Re: For Lincoln

Posted by Lincoln [32.20] on March 03, 2004 at 12:58:29:

In Reply to: Re: For Lincoln posted by Steven [280.62] on March 02, 2004 at 21:18:32:

If you define being "in shape" in terms of bodyfat levels, then a workout program alone is no guarantee of results. All the exercise in the world won't counteract an improper diet.

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Re: How do you all maintain health while working full time??

Posted by Blu [1383.4] on March 03, 2004 at 13:55:56:

In Reply to: Re: How do you all maintain health while working full time?? posted by DonnaW [302.931] on March 03, 2004 at 12:19:53:

I have been here for awhile, maybe I have missed those posts??



Re: How do you all maintain health while working full time??

Posted by Lincoln [32.20] on March 03, 2004 at 14:26:13:

In Reply to: Re: How do you all maintain health while working full time?? posted by DonnaW [302.931] on March 03, 2004 at 12:17:41:

As in, "Someone who teaches seven Yoga classes a week plus does additional cardio sessions as well as strength training workouts, well, that person is not very qualified to tell someone how to be more time-efficient with their workout program."

Is that what you were thinking?

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Re: How do you all maintain health while working full time??

Posted by Renee [1011.653] on March 03, 2004 at 16:31:50:

In Reply to: Re: How do you all maintain health while working full time?? posted by R. [312.918] on March 03, 2004 at 11:57:21:

"Yes, it does take more time to make a salad or cook some meat or soup or whatever than it takes to buy a box of cookies, open it up and eat them."

Okay then.

"But the point is that it doesn't have to take nearly as much time as Fork seems to imagine. I am talking from my own experience."

By your own admission this is from your experience, not Fork's. Unless you can read Fork's mind you have no idea what Fork is imagining.

"Bring on some factual arguments to have a real comparison."

Oh puleez. You mean they have to be listed for you??

* * Soaking and cooking grains vs. Quaker Instant Oatmeal.

* * Soaking and roasting nuts vs. Planters in a can

Etc., etc. ad infinitum. This is as factual as I'm gonna get because I haven't timed these particular activities. This is common sense.




Re: How do you all maintain health while working full time??

Posted by Renee [1011.653] on March 03, 2004 at 16:55:28:

In Reply to: Re: How do you all maintain health while working full time?? posted by Blu [1383.4] on March 03, 2004 at 12:05:41:

Who's frustrated? Not I.



Re: How do you all maintain health while working full time??

Posted by R. [312.918] on March 03, 2004 at 18:46:02:

In Reply to: Re: How do you all maintain health while working full time?? posted by Renee [1011.653] on March 03, 2004 at 16:31:50:

By your own admission this is from your experience, not Fork's. Unless you can read Fork's mind you have no idea what Fork is imagining.

Fork asked us about how we do it. In other words, Fork asked us for our experience. So, I, along with others, provided it. Fork also described how s/he perceives these issues.

Your soaking/roasting examples don't refute my statement that cooking healthful meals doesn't have to take a lot of time because soaking, roasting, sprouting, fermenting, etc. can be planned ahead. The activities themselves aren't very time consuming. Of course, they take time to complete, but they don't take much of YOUR time, and that was Fork's concern, in my opinion. It's like in a show that advertizes a machine to cook food: "You set it and forget it!" I've made meals that take 10 hours to cooks, but who cares if the food is cooking by itself overnight? Spend another 20 min, and I have food that can be eaten for several days.



Re: How do you all maintain health while working full time??

Posted by Blu [1383.4] on March 03, 2004 at 19:04:50:

In Reply to: Re: How do you all maintain health while working full time?? posted by Renee [1011.653] on March 03, 2004 at 16:55:28:

Just seemed like you went on a bit of a tirad...



Re: How do you all maintain health while working full time??

Posted by Renee [1011.653] on March 03, 2004 at 20:47:14:

In Reply to: Re: How do you all maintain health while working full time?? posted by R. [312.918] on March 03, 2004 at 18:46:02:

"Fork also described how s/he perceives these issues."

Yes, and that is Fork's opinion so it shouldn't be judged or criticized. Everyone's lifestyle and schedule are different, and you have no idea how much time Fork has to devote to these activities. Therefore it is presumptuous of you to assume to know this about Fork.

There was a lot of frustration in Fork's post which most people can relate to, especially those who are relatively new to practicing wellness. If you've been doing it for a while perhaps the sharp contrast between practicing wellness/eating a WFD and eating the SAD are a faint memory to you. Not to me -- in fact, I find myself having to resist the urge to buy "convenience foods" in the health food store to save time.

"Your soaking/roasting examples don't refute my statement that cooking healthful meals doesn't have to take a lot of time because soaking, roasting, sprouting, fermenting, etc. can be planned ahead."

Well I only cited two because it was a ridiculous request on your part. Stating the obvious is a waste of time.

That wasn't the point anyway: it seems that you've lost sight of the original comparison. The POINT was that it takes more time soaking, roasting, etc. than NOT soaking, roasting, etc. (eating the traditional American way, out of bags, cans, etc.). THAT was Fork's point, and if you missed that then I suggest you reread his/her post.

An example which could have been included was JUICING, which Fork cited. Juicing IS time-consuming (prepping raw vegetables always is) and has nothing to do with cooking time and "planning ahead." It's of course much easier to open up a bottle of juice.

This is a ridiculous, pointless conversation, so I won't waste any more time on it. It should be OBVIOUS to everyone that doing it "the right way" takes more time than eating "convenience foods," which is why "convenience foods" evolved in the first place.




Re: How do you all maintain health while working full time??

Posted by Renee [1011.653] on March 03, 2004 at 20:58:25:

In Reply to: Re: How do you all maintain health while working full time?? posted by Blu [1383.4] on March 03, 2004 at 19:04:50:

No, that wasn't a tirade, as evidenced by the lack of screaming (capital letters), expletives, or multiple exclamation points. That's Michele's specialty.




Re: How do you all maintain health while working full time??

Posted by Blu [1383.4] on March 03, 2004 at 21:10:27:

In Reply to: Re: How do you all maintain health while working full time?? posted by Renee [1011.653] on March 03, 2004 at 20:58:25:

You seem that you have issues with Michelle????



Re: How do you all maintain health while working full time??

Posted by Gregory [5.796] on March 03, 2004 at 21:13:45:

In Reply to: Re: How do you all maintain health while working full time?? posted by Blu [1383.4] on March 03, 2004 at 21:10:27:

Only people who value the truth have "issues" with Michele. If opinion, and not well thought out opinion at that is suitable to you, then you should
get along just fine with Michele, which clearly you do.



Otherwise I guess they would be called "INconvenience foods" :-) NMI

Posted by Gregory [5.796] on March 03, 2004 at 21:18:06:

In Reply to: Re: How do you all maintain health while working full time?? posted by Renee [1011.653] on March 03, 2004 at 20:47:14:



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Re: How do you all maintain health while working full time??

Posted by R. [312.918] on March 03, 2004 at 22:10:20:

In Reply to: Re: How do you all maintain health while working full time?? posted by Renee [1011.653] on March 03, 2004 at 20:47:14:

that is Fork's opinion so it shouldn't be judged or criticized.

Fork has asked for help, and everybody has tried to help the way they can. I happened to spot what I think is a flaw in Fork's perception of how much time it takes to eat in a healthful way.

Everyone's lifestyle and schedule are different, and you have no idea how much time Fork has to devote to these activities. Therefore it is presumptuous of you to assume to know this about Fork.

I don't care much how much time Fork has to devote to these activities. I was pointing out obviously wrong assumptions on Fork's part: having to go a store every day, etc. If I had misunderstood Fork's statements, I would've expected him to clarify them to me, and we would've had a dialog. What IS presumptuous is for you to talk to me like this.

Well I only cited two because it was a ridiculous request on your part.

You shouldn't have if you that would've changed anything. Doing it was truly a waste of time.

it seems that you've lost sight of the original comparison. The POINT was that it takes more time soaking, roasting, etc. than NOT soaking, roasting, etc. (eating the traditional American way, out of bags, cans, etc.). THAT was Fork's point, and if you missed that then I suggest you reread his/her post.

No, I haven't. The point was that Fork didn't see how it was at all possible to lead a healthy lifestyle and work full time, not "that it takes more time soaking, roasting, etc. than NOT soaking, roasting, etc." I have the same suggestion for you.

Juicing IS time-consuming (prepping raw vegetables always is) and has nothing to do with cooking time and "planning ahead." It's of course much easier to open up a bottle of juice.

I've done juicing too, and I didn't take me more than 15 min, including washing a juicer. Sure, it takes more time to juice than to open up a bottle of juice, but that wasn't my point. My point was that it eating in a healthful way doesn't have to to take too much time to make it impossible to incorporate it into one's daily schedule. See, while you are making juice, drinking it, and washing your juicer, or making a salad, you could be having another dish getting ready. So, 15 min for a full blown dinner… Does that seem excessively time consuming to you?

This is a ridiculous, pointless conversation, so I won't waste any more time on it.

That is correct – you are wasting your time.

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Re: How do you all maintain health while working full time??

Posted by dd [1706.26] on March 03, 2004 at 23:29:02:

In Reply to: Re: How do you all maintain health while working full time?? posted by Nutmeg [86.58] on March 02, 2004 at 17:06:57:

Boy, you have this down girl! I too find it difficult, like
Fork, and a lot of it has to do with commuting, and it
taking HOURS in the morning and in the evening. Your
suggestions are great.

dd



SALMON JERKY!!

Posted by ANN [1077.516] on March 04, 2004 at 05:03:51:

In Reply to: How do you all maintain health while working full time?? posted by Fork in the Road [1021.218] on March 02, 2004 at 10:53:59:

just got my monthly co-op catalogue and there's a new item- salmon jerky by a company called Wildcatch. Occurred to me that this and other jerkies (there are tvp jerkies,too) could fit into busy lives.
If your jaw hurts from chewing jerky, put some in a jar with water in the morning, it'll be more chewable by lunch.
Anyone know if omega 3's are still in good quantities in salmon jerky?



Re: How do you all maintain health while working full time??

Posted by Aston [31.231] on March 04, 2004 at 05:18:25:

In Reply to: Re: How do you all maintain health while working full time?? posted by Blu [1383.4] on March 03, 2004 at 13:55:56:

I think maybe you missed a lot. :)

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How do you all maintain health while working full time?? "time excuse" Archive

Posted by Walt Stoll [9.8] on March 04, 2004 at 07:54:24:

In Reply to: Re: How do you all maintain health while working full time?? posted by PhillyLady [57.913] on March 03, 2004 at 09:00:42:

Thanks, PhillyLady.

When I started this, just to prove to myself whether is was valid or not, I was working a 100+ hour week. Within 6 weeks I was getting more time back than it was costing me and that time differential was even more obvious 6-12 months later.

SO, I KNOW that the time excuse is just that.

Hope this helps. You may have noticed that I have avoided this subject until now and that is why.

Walt



Re: How do you all maintain health while working full time??

Posted by Blu [1383.4] on March 04, 2004 at 09:30:57:

In Reply to: Re: How do you all maintain health while working full time?? posted by Gregory [5.796] on March 03, 2004 at 21:13:45:

Wow, someone sounds like they got rejected by Michele...

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Re: How do you all maintain health while working full time?? "time excuse" Archive

Posted by Isis [664.4] on March 04, 2004 at 10:32:28:

In Reply to: How do you all maintain health while working full time?? "time excuse" Archive posted by Walt Stoll [9.8] on March 04, 2004 at 07:54:24:

That's what I mean why I try to explain to people that exercising vigorously gives me more time back than I give to it. It takes a chunk out of each day, sure, but I sleep less (don't need to sleep as long) and that right there just about balances it out, and plus I just feel so much more awake, alert, and in a good mood, that I'm better able (I think) to do the tasks I need to do each day.

It just feels like I'm not well if I don't do this.

So when you have the choice of feeling well or feeling yucky, it becomes worth it to make the time to do whatever it takes to feel good instead of bad.

But I'm confused, now, if everyone can benefit from this sort of thing. I think that there are lucky people in the world who don't need to do this - who can eat whatever they want, don't have to exercise outside of daily activities, don't have to do meditation - and they are just fine.

My Godmother's family is like that. They live into their nineties, smoke and drink like you wouldn't believe, don't exercise, and unbelievably healthy. Incredible.

My Mom, on the other hand, was plagued with illnesses all her life. My father used to say "she has every health problem known to mankind." She had breast cancer that had already spread (they said she'd be dead within a year but she beat the odds) at 34, 3 heart attacks in her early 40's, hysterectomy in early 40's because she was bleeding to death, then her liver failed (not from drinking, just..who knows? When they opened her up, they thought they saw cancer all over - but it wasn't - her organs were just deformed from lack of adequate metabolism (hypothyroid)...) and then she died of a combo of hypothyroidism and heart failure. Her heart stopped beating because she was so terribly hypothyroid, not on enough thyroid meds.

Anyway, there are such profound differences in genetics that I have to wonder if that doesn't account for about 99% of health...

Of course my mother and I would have been much healther, I think, if our hypothyroidism had been identified and corrected earlier.

Maybe not that many people out there really NEED to do this stuff to feel well. Maybe only those of us who don't have very good health, genetically, need to take extreme measures to try to be well.

There are tons of people on that thread I started, who say they don't exercise and feel just great, and that most people they know live long, full, healthy lives without exercise. So I'm apparently a minority in feeling I need exercise in order to feel well.

Just stuff I am thinking about lately...

Isis



Omega 3 in jerky

Posted by Lincoln [32.20] on March 04, 2004 at 11:48:59:

In Reply to: SALMON JERKY!! posted by ANN [1077.516] on March 04, 2004 at 05:03:51:

Omega 3s are a delicate oils, so it is unlikely that the process of turning salmon into jerky is kind to them.

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Re: SALMON JERKY!!

Posted by R. [312.918] on March 04, 2004 at 19:41:41:

In Reply to: SALMON JERKY!! posted by ANN [1077.516] on March 04, 2004 at 05:03:51:

Fermenting salmon produces a to-die-for food. And no heating is involved.

Actually, fish jerky may not necessarily involve heating. Some nations that have been closer to nature just salt and dry fish, which produces what looks like something that you'd call fish jerky.

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How do you all maintain health while working full time?? "time excuse" Archive

Posted by Walt Stoll [9.8] on March 05, 2004 at 07:00:58:

In Reply to: Re: How do you all maintain health while working full time?? "time excuse" Archive posted by Isis [664.4] on March 04, 2004 at 10:32:28:

Thanks, Isis!

My personal experience EXACTLY!

Walt

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Re: How do you all maintain health while working full time??

Posted by ANN [1077.516] on March 05, 2004 at 07:31:17:

In Reply to: Re: How do you all maintain health while working full time?? posted by dd [1706.26] on March 03, 2004 at 23:29:02:

wonder if you could take a bus or carpool, so you only drive some of the time- you could lead all the passengers in the carpool in meditation and isometrics (or all of the bus passengers, if you aren't shy).

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Re: How do you all maintain health while working full time?? "time excuse" Archive

Posted by MBliss [4.4] on March 05, 2004 at 08:48:02:

In Reply to: How do you all maintain health while working full time?? "time excuse" Archive posted by Walt Stoll [9.8] on March 04, 2004 at 07:54:24:

Crikey, Walt!!!! You put some of us to shame! :)
I don't know how you were able to keep up with the 3LS, AND work 100 hours perweek?!!! That's amazing to me! I KNOW I couldn't work 100 hour week, nor would I want to.
So, you were able to meditate for 20mins twice a day, cook your meals according to wholefoods diet, and exercise in your off hours? Please explain.

Maybe you are just one of those individuals with tons of energy, and always have been????. I am trying to understand this, because not everyone could work 100hour week, and still have enough energy leftover for other healthful pursuits towards wellness.

I was thinking that it's easy enough to say , "there IS enough time to be healthy", but I think it comes down to more than just time management. It also comes down to having enough ENERGY to be and maintain health. Such as after coming home from a full days work, being organized and energized enough to cook a homemade meal, rather than fall in a heap after a long day, and then just cook a microwave TV dinner in minutes.

Do you know what I mean?

I am not making an excuse for others. I am just saying that some people are just more energetic than others, naturally. Although if one can push themselves and be disciplined enough, one will find that cooking wholeffoods diet becomes VERY natural, and to eat JUNKfood on a regular basis, feels very unnatural. Atleast, that's been my experience. Anything that goes against the grain, and against the bodymind, I find now makes it much easier for me to make healthful decisions. Actually it's not a decision, its a natural lifestyle now , especially once one is in a routine with wholefoods.

** ~ NAMASKHAR ~ **



Re: How do you all maintain health while working full time??

Posted by MBliss [4.4] on March 05, 2004 at 09:53:04:

In Reply to: How do you all maintain health while working full time?? posted by Fork in the Road [1021.218] on March 02, 2004 at 10:53:59:

Hi Fork

How about incorporating one of the 3LS at a time. Maybe that way you won't feel so overwhelmed by it all, and can adjust a bit at a time.

Say about incorporating exercise as your first part of 3LS, and then in a couple of weeks, start include one 20minute session of SR for a week, and then the following week try 2 sessions in one day, and so on.?

I use to get up at 6am to do the OZ aerobics on television before work. I would start work at 8.30am, so I would wake up and be ready to start my aerobics that was on tv at 6am.

Funny thing is I do remember having much MORE ENERGY when I was exercising on a regular basis. But back then I had a good motivator to get me going to exercise. WEIGHT GAIN!!!! :) Not anymore though, so exercise has now become a haphazard thing. I should really exercise for more energy. That would be a great motivator!

I also use to juice veggies and fruit after/before exercising. You don't have to go to the HFS everyday, or even the grocery store. If you store vegies/fruit properly in a crisper in your fridge, making sure to wrap as airtight as possible they can last longer than jsut a day. Mine last at least a few days if I am juicing.

Just some ideas to get you started. It/s well worth the effort on the 3LS once you start feeling better.

**~ LA MAREEA ~**

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How do you all maintain health while working full time?? (Personal ex) Archive

Posted by Walt Stoll [9.8] on March 06, 2004 at 06:31:58:

In Reply to: Re: How do you all maintain health while working full time?? "time excuse" Archive posted by MBliss [4.4] on March 05, 2004 at 08:48:02:

Thanks, Maria.

I would say that I always had an average energy level-- perhaps helped along by the fact that I was born and raised on a very busy farm and always worked at least that many hours as I was growing up, before I went to college. Then, I maintained that schedule by working my way though undergraduate school and medical school. It stood me in good stead when I began practice in a little farming community in Ohio--which had not had a new doctor settle there for 25 years, so I got to work day and night for the first 6 months I was in practice.

When I began to learn the wonders of "wellness" the excitement of discovery kept me going when nearly anyone else would have collapsed. The results were SO astounding and quick that I soon had even more hours to play than I had had before. Within a few months, I only needed about 2 hours of sleep a night. Just that alone much more than made up for the time I was spending with SR, aerobics and shopping for and cooking whole foods meals.

I did all this BEFORE beginning to recommend it to my patients so I could come at them with personal experience and not just theory.

Hope this helps.

Walt

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Re: How do you all maintain health while working full time??

Posted by Vince F [51.37] on March 07, 2004 at 12:48:46:

In Reply to: How do you all maintain health while working full time?? posted by Fork in the Road [1021.218] on March 02, 2004 at 10:53:59:

I got a Dog.....

I wasn't geting out doing much and seemed too tired after
work. Something told me that a dog would Force me to walk.
I rescued one of the breed that I like who had been
Severly malnourshed. Thinking about His diet I thought about
mine and as I was figuring how to put weight On him it made
me work on taking weight Off me. Once he got up to speed, I
thought that he could use some exercize before I went to
work so I would drive to a big park and let him run and
chase him if he didn't for about 20 min, come home, eat and
feed him and shower and go to work. As soon as I came home
I would walk him to a fenced in area 5 blocks away because
I live in a Big city and let him run there so walked a mi
after work.

I don't do SR But when I was trying it I used to go to
a nearby wildlife preserve and meditate on the surroundings
and practice zen exercizes. The park and preserve were my
escape from the hustle and bustle of the city Especially in
the summer where I used to spend all summer in the country
till I was 12. Now with the dog I had another reason to go
since I didn't need to as much after the learning I got from
exploring Zen. I added experiencing what the dog got into
to it and learned a few things. I only meditated 2X in the
conventional sense since my reactions and then learning
made me realize that that wasn't what worked for me but
exploring nature and animals seemed to do it for me. I can
study plants and wildlife and feel completely immersed in
nature and the preserve feels wild Even Though the airport
is Right across from it so while watching a bird in flight,
a silver one may pass by.

You have to find out what works for You. You Know what it
is IF you think about it. I can't get out like I used to
because of an injury But I still try to do what I want to
even if it tears me up. I guess solving problems with a PC
I am building gives me physical and mental exercize since I
ache from moving them around since I have to to work on
Both of mine. Friends tell me They Wouldn't do what I do.
Too much work and Too complicated and They have No
limitations, EXCEPT in their minds. I have one friend who
said he used to Hide in work to avoid work. To me that
would make 8 hrs feel like 12. He tells me he Wouldn't do
what I do and let Others do it. He is Supposed to be
healthy but on a stress test his heart fluttered and he is
a Nervous guy. I asked if the Dr told him he Needed to
exercize for his heart and he said, Yes. He walked for a few
days and then stopped. Desire, drive, and determination do
a Lot.

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