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Dr. Stoll - Message From Your Book

Posted by James [2174.7634] on July 10, 2009 at 21:37:25:

Dr. Stoll

In you book you state that the very things we need to be doing to heal are often the ones we fail to do. I was curious if you know why this is.

As you know it is often more difficult to get patient compliance than to know what to diagnose/recommend. I must admit this is a challenge for me personally. I would rather ride my bike 50 miles or climb a mountain than slow down to meditate or work with my biofeedback equipment.

One of my doctorate professors used to state that patients will want you to fix them but dont ask them to change anything. I can't count the times when I laid out a treatment plan they thought was too much work and went looking for someone with an RX pad.

James


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Posted by Steve [10433.7764] on July 10, 2009 at 22:15:11:

In Reply to: Dr. Stoll - Message From Your Book posted by James [2174.7634] on July 10, 2009 at 21:37:25:

I'm not the Doc, but often people don't want to believe their health problem is stress. That's too simple. Give me a wonder pill and I will be fine.

Silver Fox!


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Posted by human nature [6388.7669] on July 11, 2009 at 06:45:27:

In Reply to: Dr. Stoll - Message From Your Book posted by James [2174.7634] on July 10, 2009 at 21:37:25:

Sorry to but in - I know you addressed the doc.

I have a few issues - slightly overweight (but in menopause and mostly caused by giving up smoking 3 years ago). I probably drink too much wine! (probably a legacy from my stress). I mostly eat healthily but I love meat (although I only eat it twice a week and small portions). I have had a lifelong problem with anxiety but am better now than I was. I am absolutely terrified of getting cancer - both parents died of it and many of my friends have gone the same way recently. So much I would said I am cancer phobic!

But if someone said there is a "quick fix" for all of this - rather than cleaning up your diet, alcohol abuse, SR - I would grab it with both hands. Why? becuase none of us really wants to change. I am amazed I actually gave up smoking to be honest. It took me 5 years to do it even though my mother died of lung cancer at the age of 86.

Most of us do not want to have to work at being healthy - or if we do it never lasts. Perhaps it's because bad things make us feel good and in the world we live in today we really need to have that feel good factor.


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Posted by Jan DeCourtney, CMT (Happygal) [383.7756] on July 11, 2009 at 09:23:36:

In Reply to: Dr. Stoll - Message From Your Book posted by James [2174.7634] on July 10, 2009 at 21:37:25:

Hi Dr. James,

Jan DeCourtney here, the co-author of "Recapture Your Health."

Somehow I think that whatever the opposite is of the healing thing they need to do, that illness-producing behavior, is something that they really enjoy on some level and think their happiness or survival depends upon it.

It's funny though that the thing people often look to for their sense of survival is what is hurting them. Maybe Walt can shed some insight on that.

I've seen this in my massage practice, too. People are often so unwilling to start the practices. But some people do eventually get frustrated with the status quo and come around and then start the SR practice or change the diet. Then they are amazed and very pleased at the results. And I am really glad to have been the positive influence for them.

Best wishes,
Jan


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Posted by lmd [11129.7683] on July 11, 2009 at 09:35:40:

In Reply to: Re: Dr. Stoll - Message From Your Book posted by human nature [6388.7669] on July 11, 2009 at 06:45:27:

I just have to ask - red meat?? I eat meat at least once a day, and usually with every meal, or eggs.


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Re: Dr. Stoll - Message From Your Book -- SIGH! Archive in wellness.

Posted by Walt Stoll [93.7937] on July 11, 2009 at 10:38:51:

In Reply to: Dr. Stoll - Message From Your Book posted by James [2174.7634] on July 10, 2009 at 21:37:25:

Amen, Doc James.

You are getting to the meat of the problem. I recall, during my years of practice, being happy if 5% of the people I counseled about changing lifestyle, actually did anything about it. However as I went on trying to help people, I frequently (at least half of the people who thought they could still find a "magic pill" and left the practice) years later--once they learned again that there WAS no magic pill--came back to see me saying: "What were you trying to tell me way back then? Perhaps I am ready to hear it now." About half of them actually WERE ready then and progress was actually made. For at least 25 of the years I practiced, I insisted every patient bring a blank cassette to the appointment so that everything we discussed was on a permanent record for them to take home; NO excuse for them not to actually know what was recommended.

You know the dismal statistics about any instructions given by the doc for ANY professional encounter. Exit interviews with patients has shown that they recalled less than 50% what was discussed with the doc. When they were interviewed upon reaching home, they recalled less than 10%.

I was determined not to accept those dismal statistics. This would be like, going to the grocery store and after shopping and paying for the groceries, leaving half of them in the trash before getting in your car. Then, upon getting home, throwing another 40% in the trash before getting to the refrigerator.

Why are people so cussedly stubborn? I really do not know. However, as I look at the problem, I suspect it is natural for people to resist putting effort into what they do not want to know. Only when they have suffered enough, will they actually get up the energy to accept the inevitable and get up off their duffs

I know this may sound like a hopeless thing. However, I am of the firm belief that, given the opportunity, SOME people will take advantage of those few of us that continue to put the information out there and actually help themselves. It is still worth the effort, in my opinion.

Listen to Jan, Human Nature, LMD and Steve.

If you ever figure this out, please let me know.

Walt


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Posted by human nature [6388.7669] on July 11, 2009 at 10:41:49:

In Reply to: Re: Dr. Stoll - Message From Your Book posted by lmd [11129.7683] on July 11, 2009 at 09:35:40:

Yes, I eat all kinds of meat. I love beef, lamb, chicken, plus offal (liver and kidneys). Only reason I mentioned it is that some people would say meat is bad for you, but mine is from organically reared animals, no hormones, no chemicals, no dyes to make it look good. Plus, I know from the source the animals are all grass fed with a little hay to supplement in the winter. NO grain.

Anyway, even so, there are some who would say meat causes cancer, but I'm not one of them. I think we were meant to eat meat, just like cows are meant to eat grass and birds are meant to eat grain.

Also, we eat LOADS of eggs. We just love them - four at a time sometimes! Eggs are a wholefood and the small amount of cholestrol in them is balanced by the natural lecithin in them. WHOLE means whole, so not harmful. Of course, I only get organic ones. I buy two dozen eggs per week!

I try to limit our intake of sausages (on the BBQ). However, these are organic as well so they have no rubbish in them. Still fatty though.

Regards.


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Posted by PhillyLady [2550.7756] on July 11, 2009 at 10:46:01:

In Reply to: Re: Dr. Stoll - Message From Your Book posted by human nature [6388.7669] on July 11, 2009 at 10:41:49:

Hi Human:

How many people at your house eat the two dozens eggs in a week? Just asking out of curiosity.


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Posted by human nature [6388.7669] on July 11, 2009 at 10:51:28:

In Reply to: Re: Dr. Stoll - Message From Your Book posted by PhillyLady [2550.7756] on July 11, 2009 at 10:46:01:

Two. However, there are usually a few left so I sometimes don't buy the full 2 dozen the following week. On average I guess we eat 12 to 18 eggs per week. It just depends but never less than 12.

When we have an omelet it is 4 eggs. So it should be.




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Re: Dr. Stoll - Message From Your Book -- SIGH! Archive in wellness.

Posted by Jan DeCourtney, CMT (Happygal) [383.7756] on July 11, 2009 at 11:42:53:

In Reply to: Re: Dr. Stoll - Message From Your Book -- SIGH! Archive in wellness. posted by Walt Stoll [93.7937] on July 11, 2009 at 10:38:51:

Walt,

If I might add.... and those SOME people who do learn, go on to influence others.

Best wishes,
Jan



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Re: Dr. Stoll - Message From Your Book -- SIGH! Archive in wellness.

Posted by James [2174.7634] on July 11, 2009 at 13:04:31:

In Reply to: Re: Dr. Stoll - Message From Your Book -- SIGH! Archive in wellness. posted by Walt Stoll [93.7937] on July 11, 2009 at 10:38:51:

Walt

I also recorded my patient sessions and gave them tapes - especially if we were training breathing - etc.. Most doctors are afraid to have their words immortalized. You were honorable to do so.

James


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Posted by lmd [11129.7683] on July 11, 2009 at 13:34:24:

In Reply to: Re: Dr. Stoll - Message From Your Book posted by human nature [6388.7669] on July 11, 2009 at 10:41:49:

yes - I raise my own lambs and duck eggs. Other meat I get from nearby friends. Just wondered why red meat is so frowned upon.


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Posted by lmd [11129.7683] on July 11, 2009 at 13:44:33:

In Reply to: Re: Dr. Stoll - Message From Your Book posted by human nature [6388.7669] on July 11, 2009 at 10:51:28:

My omelettes are usually 3 eggs and chunks of meat, but they are the larger duck eggs. For most salads, 4 boiled eggs cut up are the norm. Natural healthy basis of life. I have often eaten a dozen eggs in 3 days. Cooked of course. The dogs grab them raw if I am too slow.


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Re: Dr. Stoll - Message From Your Book -- SIGH! Archive in wellness.

Posted by Walt Stoll [93.7937] on July 11, 2009 at 16:55:02:

In Reply to: Re: Dr. Stoll - Message From Your Book -- SIGH! Archive in wellness. posted by Jan DeCourtney, CMT (Happygal) [383.7756] on July 11, 2009 at 11:42:53:

Yup, Jan!

And personal example is the most powerful influence of all.

Namaste`

Walt


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Re: Dr. Stoll - Message From Your Book -- SIGH! Archive in wellness.

Posted by lovebird [6.3291] on July 12, 2009 at 11:44:57:

In Reply to: Re: Dr. Stoll - Message From Your Book -- SIGH! Archive in wellness. posted by Jan DeCourtney, CMT (Happygal) [383.7756] on July 11, 2009 at 11:42:53:

Jan:
This is so true.
I find that what Dr. Stoll taught me is that "I applied" changes to my life and those changes shine through and I have never had more influence when others can clearly see wellness.

Hope you are well my friend
Lovebird


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Re: Dr. Stoll - Message From Your Book -- SIGH! Archive in wellness.

Posted by lovebird [6.3291] on July 12, 2009 at 11:51:09:

In Reply to: Re: Dr. Stoll - Message From Your Book -- SIGH! Archive in wellness. posted by Walt Stoll [93.7937] on July 11, 2009 at 16:55:02:

Absolutely.
I just got started with a DO here and at first I was chatting about wellness which he teaches but since he didnt see the test results and I was new he didnt know yet if I was real...
So now after all the tests results are in and I lost now 10 pounds in addition to everything free and clear he gives me so much respect.
Powerful for sure.
I am studying 3 books on nutrition for the brain and how body, mind and spirit all flow for lasting wellness.

Thanks always
Lovebird


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